Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 7 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: .mac on st's Airball Help At-Speed Atari 1040 Stfm for sale AUTO Folder Programs -- How do they replace system functions? Calamus/Outline Complete ATARI Mega 2 ST System for $890 or best offer Doug Harrison still supporting Opus? Dungeon Master - HELP!! Falcon Getting back here from shell GNU C++ at atari.archive (2 msgs) Help - 520ST bombs at boot time Help with vax out...again. Hermes UUCP package History of Atari How can you get Composite Video from Atari 1040ST (3 msgs) IBM software emulator (2 msgs) MBBS upgrade (2 msgs) Mega 4 & laser for sale MultiGEM & Datadiet NEW Atari 1040STe for Sale PD C compilers for ST (3 msgs) PYM Demo on Terminator scanning frequencies of TTM194 Searching xlispref author Tim I. Mikkelsen Specification for OMTI 5400 needed STBook (Notebook computer) TT/030 why the ST RAM? TTM194/5 Scan Rates Uniterm on larger screens? uniterm problem.... 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If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Jan 92 05:04:18 GMT From: nevada.edu!jimi2!equinox!cs.unr.edu!chan@uunet.uu.net (Kaho Chan) Subject: .mac on st's To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu After rediscovering my Picswitch viewer (views many picture formats), I soon discovered that printing out MAC (.mac) pictures gave me the best quality out of the rest of the formats (.pi*, .pc*, etc)... on a printer I just recently purchased. So I asked around for .mac pictures... (ftp sites, etc) What I found out was that most MAC files are compressed either in .SIT (Stuff It) or .HQX (Compact Pro ???)... ..and not in the usual .ARC, .LZH, etc... Anybody have any answers to this problem? Please email or post. chan@mammoth.cs.unr.edu Kaho Chan<============= ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 92 09:46:04 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!rcpijst@uunet.uu.net (Pijst RC) Subject: Airball Help To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Some time ago I played Airball but I haven't finished it. I found all the attributes descibed in the magic book except one, the flask. Does anyone know where I can find it? Thanks, Renate Pijst ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 05:37:55 GMT From: mcsun!unido!uniol!hb.maus.de!s2.maus.de!Uwe_Poliak@uunet.uu.net (Uwe Poliak) Subject: At-Speed To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu m>My question is. Was the TC Power-Emulator Memory Manager originally sold m>with m>the AT-Speed board? Has it been separated to make the boards price more m>attractive? Hi, my Question is : What is the "TC Power-Emulator Memory Manager" ? thanx, -up- ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 92 07:11:08 GMT From: ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!news@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Ling Cherd Ho) Subject: Atari 1040 Stfm for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For sale: Atari 1040 STFM 1 Meg of RAM Internal 720K drive $225 + Shipping ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 14:04:31 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!yorkohm!minster!mjl-b@uunet.uu.net Subject: AUTO Folder Programs -- How do they replace system functions? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes: >marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (Marco) writes: > [stuff deleted] >> Well, as you say you could use evnt_keybd() to do this from an ACC. To do >> this from an AUTO program, would, I beleive require you to intercept the >> TAB keypress.This would prevent the TAB from getting to the GEM program >> which you said we were running. I think the best way is to have it as an >> ACC and then evnt_keybd() (or evnt_multi()) for something such as >> alt-TAB, this way, because no program I no of uses alt-TAB you don't have >> to worry about interceppting it... Using evnt_keybd() from an accessory won't work, because only the "currently active" program gets keypress information from GEM (Don't ask me for a accurate description of "currently active"!) >> | John Perry*Voice (204)783-0812*Internet marco@sys6626.bison.mb.ca | > >Perhaps, but the idea is to create a program that does this without using >up an .ACC slot. There are only six of them, so it wouldn't be a good >idea to waste one on a trivial task. Aside from that consideration, I >also talked about other programs that couldn't function as accessories, >such as a program that allows you to replace the file selector with one >of your own choosing. The best solution for this would be to tell the >system that the file selector routine is not at the default location, and >then terminate execution using the ptermres() system command so that the >memory occupied by the alternate selector is not erased or used by >another program. The only question is how to tell the system to jump to >a different location when it needs the file selector. You do it by intercepting the GEM TRAP vector and waiting for an fsel_input() AES call. >This is only one >example. Hotkeys from the desktop should also be possible, but how do >you tell the system to wait for a keypress, and then to execute a program >when one is found. I suppose what I am looking for is a book that would >tell me all of this information, or as much as is available. To "hot-key" your program, you need to intercept the IKBD (intelligent keyboard controller) interrupt and look at keypress information as it arrives. ><< mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >> ><< ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >> ><< Michel Forget >> ><< "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, >> ><< for they are not happy campers!" - UNKNOWN >> Mathew | Mathew Lodge | "What do they call you, boy?" "Kate." "Isn't | | mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk | that a bit of a girl's name?" "... it's | | Summer: lodge%alsys@uknet | short for 'Bob'" -- Blackadder II | ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 92 03:46:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!status!u rsulus@arizona.edu (malcolm fletcher) Subject: Calamus/Outline To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anybody know where I can get my hands on an English version of OUTLINE it is a software package that works with |Calamus to allow some very fancy type text operations, ie circling text, fading text out to a point etc The version I've seen is a demo, very impressive, but completely in German, I've managed to get some sence out of it, and what I've seen I like, I have not seen the software advertised anywhere and hope that someone reading this will know of the program, Where can I get an English Version, What sort of price can I expect tp pay? Thanking you'all in advance... Fletch.. PS Happy New YEARs And now for a word from the sponcer... *=> malcolm fletcher , (Where is Runicman? somewhere near Taupo?) *-> The Atari box in Auckland NZL. Return mail via kcbbs.gen.nz!status!ursulus ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 17:57:16 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!network.ucsd.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!nntpsrv@ar izona.edu (James Tang) Subject: Complete ATARI Mega 2 ST System for $890 or best offer To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For $850 you will get the following: (I'll pay shipping UPS) ATARI MEGA II ST: Motorola 68000 cpu 2 Megabyte RAM on board (2048 KByte) 1 3.5 disk drive (additional port for second floppy drive) MIDI ports built in DMA port 1 serial port 1 parallel port 2 mouse/joystick port realtime clock with battery back-up keyboard/mouse/2 joysticks blitter graphics chip 3 sound channels ATARI Color Monitor (SM124) Tweety Board installed (for stereo sound and connections to stereo systems) 85 MEGABYTE SCSI external Harddrive 28ms seek time ICD FAST DMA/SCSI ADAPTER Card ST REPLAY4 Sound Digitizer 2400baud external modem All original system software included. All of my atari software (shareware, games, and utilities) included. All manuals/cables included. (basically, everything you will need to get the system up and running in 10 minutes) If you are interested please drop me a line and make an offer. thanks, Wayne wngai@bonnie.ics.uci.edu wngai@net1.ics.uci.edu ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 15:22:03 GMT From: aurs01!whitcomb@mcnc.org (Jonathan Whitcomb) Subject: Doug Harrison still supporting Opus? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan4.074805.28485@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> fsctc@lercuts.lerc.nasa.gov (Clarence T. Chang) writes: >Does anyone know whether Opus' author Doug Harrison is still in the business >of upgrading Opus 2.2 to 2.3? I believe Doug Harrison wrote Lookit & Popit, distributed by Codehead software. You might want to try to contact him through them. ********************************************************************** Jonathan Whitcomb UUCP: Alcatel Network Systems Delphi: JBWHIT Raleigh, NC GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3 ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 16:46:43 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!sersun1!okes@uunet.uu.net (Oke S) Subject: Dungeon Master - HELP!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu To free the power gem, cast the spell Zo Kath Ra. This creates a lump of plasma in your hand or on the floor. Pick it up and click it on the power gem. The plasma should disappear and you can see the gem clearly. Now click the Firestaff on the gem. Simon. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 06:51:43 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!midiline!jared@arizona.edu ('286 Highlander) Subject: Falcon To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have FALCON version 1.0 for my ST. Docs and all. I really like the game, but it's so hard to play, and the loading time is all but mind-bending to wait through... Is there another version available (an upgrade?) which allows for putting it onto a HD or otherwise enhances gameplay? Is Spectrum Holobyte even supporting the Atari ST any longer? Reply in Email ("MAIL") if'n you please would! ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 05:52:11 GMT From: psinntp!mpoint!rkallen@uunet.uu.net (Russell Kallen) Subject: Getting back here from shell To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I ~Z'd to exit the EMACS tutorial and was returned to the shell. When I tried to return to the news reader (nn) I was prompted that "another nn process was occurring" (already running). What is the direct route back here when that occurs? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 05:37:43 GMT From: mcsun!unido!uniol!hb.maus.de!bn.maus.de!Klaus_Guhr@uunet.uu.net (Klaus Guhr) Subject: GNU C++ at atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi Flip, cmedley@wam.umd.edu at So, 04.01.92 05:46 in ATARI.ENG c>I checked, and xfile.o is contained in one of the .olb files in the C++ c>distribution, but I don't have the source and I'm wondering if soemthing c>else could be causing this error if the libraries are correct (which they c>probably are). I'm expecting that there is probably a problem in my c>setup (I'm using a Mega ST 2 with Gulam as my shell). Please send me your GULAM-SETUP, often it's a big problem to find the right solution.... ;-( I've initiated in Germany 'THE GNU-Project' on MAUS-NET. It's a news - group like GNU.GCC.HLP on Usenet, but there we also gather the great GNU-WARE stuff incl. sources. If interest, mail me your problems. I'm glad to help you... :-)) Or see us in GNU.GCC.HLP.... Bye, Klaus ########################################################################### ## Klaus Guhr MausNet: Klaus Guhr @ BN ## ## Marktstrasse 33 Domain: Klaus_Guhr@bn.maus.de ## ## W-5300 Bonn 3, Germany Phone: ++49-(0)228-485360 12-20h ## ########################################################################### ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 92 03:35:14 PST From: boyce@sifvs3.SINet.SLB.COM (David Boyce) Subject: GNU C++ at atari.archive To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu "Flip" Medley writes: >I've been having a rough time getting GNU C++ installed on my system, and I >think I finally have everything in order, except that when I compile a >program, I get an error saying that in xfile.o, _vfscanf is not defined. Your GCC libraries are out of date. vfscanf() was added to libc specifically to support G++. You need a version of the libraries from about last June onwards. (Patchlevel 69+) - Dave ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 17:58:29 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ibmchs!auschs!awdprime!maurice.austin.ibm.com! maurice@arizona.edu (maurice franklin) Subject: Help - 520ST bombs at boot time To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Help! I have an Atari 520ST which has faithfully served me almost 5 years. When I came home the other day (having left it running, as usual), the disk drive light was on but there was no sound of disk access. Turning on the monitor I found two bombs sitting there. I suspected a house power outage had simply forced a reboot, but there hadn't been any loss of electricity. Now, whenever I boot (hard or soft), I get the red lines across the screen like I always have (I've always thought of this as an "image" of memory - is this correct?), screen clears, disk light comes on (again, no mechanical activity in drive), and two bombs pop up. In order to try to eliminate one possible cause, I poped out the ROM chips and tried to boot off of a TOS.IMG disk. I don't get the red line screen (if memory serves, I didn't get that before I installed the ROMs, but that was a *long* time ago), the disk light does NOT come on, and I get nothing on the screen (no bombs). So, do any of you experienced STers out there have an idea as to what part of the system might be sick (i.e., does "two bombs" really mean anything). Or should I just take this as a sign that it's time to go buy a new machine (probably a 386 - sorry Atari, I thought this was going to be a good personal system in '86, but, at least in the U.S., it hasn't really taken off). Thanks for any help. Maurice Franklin Systems Performance & Modeling Department Advanced Workstation Division, IBM Austin, Texas (512) 838-8598 Internet: maurice@hwperform.austin.ibm.com Disclaimer: Above opinions represent neither IBM's nor anyone else's ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 92 01:34 EST From: Subject: Help with vax out...again. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Could someone compile this, and send me the UUENCODED file. This program help us poor VAX users, download from FTP sites in binary form, istead of that ass-backwards UUENCODING scheme that takes up mail space and is hassle to combine 10 files together because the FTP site splits the files into 42K segments. ----------- program included after this line --- #include #include #include void main(int argc, char *argv[]) { char ext_sect[513],*out_name,*p; FILE *in_file,*out_file; long sect_no,length,i,last_len; if(argc<2 || argc>3) { fprintf(stderr,"Usage: VAX_OUT infile [outfile] \n"); exit(1); } if(argc==2) { out_name = malloc(strlen(argv[1])+6); /* leave space for "out.f" */ strcpy(out_name,argv[1]); p = strrchr(out_name,'\\'); /* find find dir-list end */ p = (p==NULL) ? out_name : p; /* if no dirs -> just name */ strcpy(p+1,"out.f"); /* replace name with out.h */ *(p+6) = '\0'; /* add string delimiter */ } /* destinetin path entered */ else out_name = argv[2]; if((in_file = fopen(argv[1],"rb"))==NULL) { printf(" Error:opening : %s = %s \n",argv[1],strerror(errno)); exit(1); } if(setvbuf(in_file,NULL,_IOFBF,(size_t)513*100)) { printf(" Error:creating in_buffer = %s \n",strerror(errno)); exit(1); } fseek(in_file,0,SEEK_END); length = ftell(in_file); rewind(in_file); sect_no = length/513; last_len = length % 513; if((out_file = fopen(out_name,"wb"))==NULL) { printf(" Error:opening : out_file = %s \n",strerror(errno)); exit(1); } if(setvbuf(out_file,NULL,_IOFBF,(size_t)512*100)) { printf(" Error:creating out_buffer : %s \n",strerror(errno)); exit(1); } printf("\n********** split start **********\n"); for(i=0;iThe "Mercury" UUCICO has been under constant development, is now at version >3.21 and runs just fine at 19200 baud via a T2500 or via a direct serial >line. Seems to be hard to beat in C. That's not the point. The point is that UUCICO is (well, was) written GFA BASIC, and GFA BASIC doesn't work in a lot of environments that people use: MiNT, TT RAM, etc. To be fair, OLDER VERSIONS of GFA BASIC suffer from this, but that includes the version that UUCICO for Mercury was compiled with, last I saw. I don't know if newer GFA BASIC compiled programs are 32-bit clean and/or do not access memory they don't own, or make other unreasonable demands of the OS. ============================================ Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 17:15:14 GMT From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: History of Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <52382@cup.portal.com> Rick_Michael_Cortese@cup.portal.com writes: >...The 2600 was not the first cartridge game. I believe the Fairchild >Channel F has that distinction. Actually, I believe the first cartridge-based game was the Magnavox Odyssey. My uncle bought us one of these - it had basically the same level of graphics as Pong, but had cartridges (actually, just edge connectors with various interconnections, no silicon on the cartridge) and translucent screen overlays to place on your TV (held by the picture tube's static charge) for "color". Games included ping-pong, handball, and a few other variants. My uncle amazed my brother and I by reverse-engineering the thing and designing new cartridges for it, including a volleyball sort-of-thing. It was some time after this machine, as I recall, before cartridges resurfaced in the Fairchild or RCA machines. -- ############################################################################## # Bill Sheppard -- bills@microware.com -- {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill # # Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 # ############# Opinions expressed are my own and usually wrong ################ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 17:49:28 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!uflor ida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!sigma!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: How can you get Composite Video from Atari 1040ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1812@isgtec.UUCP>, ken@isgtec.UUCP (Ken Newman) writes: > >In article <1992Jan2.135950.4630@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, lezo@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Lez Oxley) writes: >> I would like to connect a colour TV (Matsui Model 1455) to an old-style >> 1040ST which doesn't have an RF socket. >> ...stuff deleted... >> Has anyone managed to get a composite video signal out of a 1040ST? Is >> it even theoretically possible? > >On old ST's without the RF modulator, the composite video signal is not >connected at all - that signal comes from the (absent) RF modulator. >So, you can't do it, unless you buy an outboard modulator that can take >the RGB and convert it to composite video and/or RF. Hmmm, is this what the Video Master (from Practical Peripherals, the folks that make the Monitor Master) does? I have been toying with the idea of hooking my ST to the big TV for games and such, but I have a Mega2. Would the purchase of a Video Master allow me to get good quality output on a commercial TV? -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Come to your senses professor FSU Computer Science | Fernberg. You did not transcend Technical Support Group | the time-space continuum. You email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | got drunk in a topless bar." ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 22:53:28 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu !at731@arizona.edu (Troy L. Nothnagel) Subject: How can you get Composite Video from Atari 1040ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a previous article, ksommerville@cix.compulink.co.uk (Keith Sommerville) says: >I am sure that this signal was only available on STFM's. I know this >doesnt make a lot of sense, cos the composite signal has nothing to do with >a modulator, but I am sure that this is the case. > The composite works just fine on the STe, too. What _I_ am wondering, is if there's any way to hook it up to S-VHS. I know absolutely nothing about the S-VHS except that it's a five-pin plug, so I've no idea... -- Troy L. Nothnagel at731@cleveland.Freenet.Edu "And for a gorilla, his English wasn't half bad." - Den of Earth "No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!" - Guard, MP&tHG ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 23:37:24 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc .edu!firenze!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro) Subject: How can you get Composite Video from Atari 1040ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan6.225328.1688@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, at731@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Troy L. Nothnagel) writes: |> The composite works just fine on the STe, too. |> |> What _I_ am wondering, is if there's any way to hook it up to S-VHS. I |> know absolutely nothing about the S-VHS except that it's a five-pin |> plug, so I've no idea... The five pin plug you are referring to as S-VHS is actually called S-Video. S-VHS is a SuperVHS recording standard which is incompatible with the Current VHS standard (S-VHS decks can read VHS tapes, of course, but not the other way around). S-video is a video _signal_ standard, in which the chrom. and luminence signals (what usually make up 'composite') are left in their raw form. This improves the signal by removing one more layer of modulation. The s-video signal maps more directly onto what is going on internally in a tv's electronics. Whether you would gain anything by converting composite to s-video then piping it into your SVHS deck or nice monitor TV is questionable--the TV and vcr do just that to the composite signal they get as input. If you somehow turned your raw RBG signal into a s-video signal (i.e. before the composite out of the ST) you might have better luck. --B ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 11:09:24 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state. edu!malgudi.oar.net!yfn.ysu.edu!ysub!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!zwq017@arizon a.edu (Bjarne Pohlers) Subject: IBM software emulator To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan02.171151.14033@disk.uucp> unknown@disk.uucp (unknown) writes: > > Hmm, I've a few questions about IBM emulation: >Why not just make a program that converts an IBM program to an ST runnable >one? I'm not really concerned with graphical programs, just basic IBM >compat. ones.. Wouldn't it be possible to load the program into memory >and spend a few minutes to convert it? Then you could have a somewhat >faster application, and it could be used without loading a special emu. It is nearly impossible to write such a program. You could try to replace every IBM-instruction with a sequence of 68000-instructions but the problem is: the convertion program cannot differ between instructions and data in the other program. And then (if that is possible, e.g. TEXT and DATA are not mixed) what about some hardware-addresses stored in the DATA-part and accesed indirect. How to convert these? There are many problems to convert such a program, too many for a computer. Imagine, you had as much memory as a computer (which you do) you would not be able to convert a program without thinking. These are also the reasons why there are not any perfectly working disassemblers. >If the problem is a legal one, is there any documentation on how to make >one of these types of programs? Or are there any "underground" versions >of such a beast? Of course, not. You could only try to disassemble a program and convert the instructions to 68000 (that means: write a compiler for IBM-instructions), but that will not work perfectly. So an emulator is the better way. >Finally, I'll buy a used (BUT WORKING) copy of a good IBM software emulator >if the price is right. If we come to an agreement, you have to send the >disk first, so I can check it out.. (I never claimed to be trusting) :) >Better yet, if anyone just wants to throw away their emulator, I'll pay >for postage! :) If you really want to run IBM-programs on your ST at an acceptable speed then you should think about a hardware-emulator. >-- >Shawn Beltz :) :) :) I may not agree with what you have to say >unknown@disk.UUCP but I'll fight to the death for your right >uunet!coplex!disk!unknown to say it... -- Someone I agree with! -- !"$%&/);=?!-.'"[!=({\,@*%#+$['&~(/!&=]`"%$_~.|?>}`>|"/%~<$:&)*;#!;[&=#"&%$\':"[ " Bjarne Pohlers Fast address: & \ Slow address: Asbeckweg 15 | W-4400 Muenster | Germany \ & Phone number: (xx49)251-866559 " [":'\$%&"#=&[;!#;*)&:$<~%/"|>`}>?|.~_$%"`]=&!/(~&'[$+#%*@,\{(=!["'.-!?=;)/&%$"! ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 92 00:48:16 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net Subject: IBM software emulator To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Bjarne Pohlers explained why it would be too difficult to create a "cross compiler" (I know, wrong term, but close to what I mean) that would take an IBM program and create a runnable 68000 version of the same thing... Maybe I'm missing something here, but how does an emulator work then..? Doesn't an emulator simply substitute the 68000 machine instructions for the binary 8088 instructions, somewhat like a BASIC intrepreter substitutes groups of machine instructions for tokens as it encounters them..? Instead of simply executing the 68000 instructions as the IBM program is scanned, why not store them for later running at full speed..? I understand the difficulties involved with data being mixed into the program, but how then does an emulator handle it..? BobR ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 92 08:06:09 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!sta tus!jonc@arizona.edu (Jon Clarke) Subject: MBBS upgrade To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Att: All MBBS version 3.0 sysops out there Or friend of them please send this to them. UPGRADE TIME. I received email on GEnie this week asking if I was interested in an upgrade to the popular BBS program by Michtron called MBBS. It would appear Tim Purves is interested in doing another version of this and incorporate a few extra features. However Tim Purves needs at leaste 50 sites (globally) to update to the new version. So to this end can you please respond in here if you would like an upgrade. I know we will be doing it here on our MBBS version 3 as I may then be able to uucp from within the BBS. Send mail to .. kcbbs.gen.nz!status!jonc <- my new domain name is jonc.status@kcbbs.gen.nz not on the global maps or try this . jonc@status.gen.nz yet.. days away NOW. or on GEnie . J.CLARKE6 I will send the replies to Tim Purves directly.. _ Jon Clarke o( ) STaTus BBS, The Atari BBS in Auckland, NZ jonc@status.gen.nz / /\ If that does not work try these address's Auckland,New Zealand kcbbs.gen.nz!status!jonc or on GEnie : J.CLARKE6 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 92 21:58:39 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!status!a rcimedz@arizona.edu (Shane Kitcher) Subject: MBBS upgrade To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu jonc@status.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes: > Att: All MBBS version 3.0 sysops out there > > UPGRADE TIME. > > Send mail to .. kcbbs.gen.nz!status!jonc <- my new domain name is > jonc.status@kcbbs.gen.nz not on the global maps > or try this . jonc@status.gen.nz yet.. days away NOW. > or on GEnie . J.CLARKE6 > > I will send the replies to Tim Purves directly.. > I would only be interested in an upgrade if Tim could get MBBS3 to run do programs and/or be FIDO compatible or able to handle echo mail. It's an excellent program but without these facilities it's not much use to me. The echomail facilities are my main concern as I'm on the lookout now for a FIDO compatible program. BTW no body else knows where to get FoRuMfrom either :-( *=> Shane Kitcher , (Where is Runciman? somewhere near Taupo?) *-> The Atari box in Auckland NZL. Return mail via kcbbs.gen.nz!status!arcimedz *%> Phone (+649) 358-5543 (uucp) Phone (+649) 358-5589 (mbbs version 3.0) ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 20:38:02 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!think.com!spdcc!dirtydog.ima.isc.com!ispd-new sserver!laidbak!ericth@arizona.edu (Eric Thiele) Subject: Mega 4 & laser for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Posted for a friend... Atari Mega 4 ST/mouse/pad $750 Megafile 30MB hard drive 250 SM124 HiRes Mono Monitor 100 SF314 3.5" floppy 75 SLM804 Laser Printer 575 (needs Drum Replacement Kit, $200) Software Pagestream 1.8 $ 50 1st Word Plus 25 Turbo ST accelerator 15 Diamondback II 25 Cardfile 3 25 Universal Item Selector 25 Thunder spell checker 25 DEGAS paint program 10 Touch Up graphics program 25 Scan Art clip art program 25 Data Manager ST 25 and more...! Package Price: $1500 Call Darryl Hedges (708) 369-3656 ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 21:01:44 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia .ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!news@arizona.edu (Jonathan Carroll) Subject: MultiGEM & Datadiet To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I got back from extended holidays and am just catching up. I'm one of those unfortunate souls who bought Datadiet & MultiGEM at the same time. What exactly is the nature of the incompatibility? Both seem to run together ok though the system does seem a little unstable. On a similar note, has anyone gotten GFA BASIC to run reliably in MultiGEM? My system seems very unstable (Mega 2 with TOS 1.2) Thanks, JON ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 19:11:22 GMT From: pa.dec.com!nntpd.lkg.dec.com!nwaces.enet.dec.com!phillips@decwrl.dec.com (Errol M. Phillips) Subject: NEW Atari 1040STe for Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu PRICE REDUCED 1040STe and Software For Sale Atari 1040STe system ( 2 month old, under 40 hours of use) - Mouse, system disk, User manuals - Owner's Registration card - Original packing I got this system for my kids but they don't like it Asking $350.00 Programs Kidprogs - $15 ($27.00 new) N-VISION ' A professional paint program' -$10 ($19 new) Hard Drivin' II (execellent racing car simulation type program)-$29 ($39 new) Take it all for $425 (I will split UPS ground shipping from NH) Call Errol 603-882-5125 ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 16:43:08 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!sersun1!okes@uunet.uu.net (Oke S) Subject: PD C compilers for ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I use Sozobon C 1.2 with Gulam as a shell and it works fine... so I say get Gulam. Simon. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 92 06:22:46 GMT From: mcsun!unido!uniol!hb.maus.de!bn.maus.de!Klaus_Guhr@uunet.uu.net (Klaus Guhr) Subject: PD C compilers for ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi Stephan, p> I'm looking for a PD C compiler for the ST. I DLed Sozobon 1.2 from p>atari.archive, but am having real difficulties getting it to work. I don't p>really have a good CLI and that may be the problem, but I've fed working p>code p>to CC from GEM and it does not compile. Are there any other C compilers out p>there? I normally use Turbo C++ on Messy Dos machines, but I thought it p>would p>be nice to have a compiler on my home machine also. Maybe it is simply a p>case p>of getting a good CLI like gulam. Any ideas? There are two good PD/FREEWARE Compilers: Sozobon 2.0 (new release; but no ansi) and GNU GCC 1.40 (full ansi) As shell I prefer the MUPFEL from the GEMINI-Package..... :-))) Both are available on FTP or on GEnie. Bye, Klaus ########################################################################### ## Klaus Guhr MausNet: Klaus Guhr @ BN ## ## Marktstrasse 33 Domain: Klaus_Guhr@bn.maus.de ## ## W-5300 Bonn 3, Germany Phone: ++49-(0)228-485360 12-20h ## ########################################################################### ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 92 07:36:17 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!star.cs.vu.nl!rfschaa@uunet.uu.net (Schaaf RF) Subject: PD C compilers for ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu On the subject of (PD) C compilers: does anyone know of a C compiler (PD or not PD) that is able to generate fully PC relative code? I would like to be able to move the program around in memory without having to do any relocation. Please let me know whether such a compiler exists, Turbo C can't do it but maybe the new Pure C can? Richard Schaaf ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 92 00:48:06 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!news@arizona.edu (Juxtaposer) Subject: PYM Demo on Terminator To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <6684@laas.laas.fr> doucet@ripolin.laas.fr (Jean-Etienne Doucet) writes: >and also on my son's 520STE (TOS 1.6). >Maybe it's because these are "french" (or european) STE ? Does this mean that the demo will work on any 512k machines? or is it a STE only demo? >Jean-Etienne DOUCET >LAAS-CNRS, Toulouse, FRANCE. > >doucet@laas.laas.fr -Mike ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 00:01:43 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!slxsys!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Keith Sommerville) Subject: scanning frequencies of TTM194 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >"$1000 for a monitor is too much for me" youre lucky! In the UK, that same monitor is 1000 pounds ie about $1800. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 13:12:23 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!sunic!dkuug!daimi!lynbech@uunet.uu.net (Christian Lynbech) Subject: Searching xlispref author Tim I. Mikkelsen To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anybody have a working email to Tim I. Mikkelsen, the author of the xlisp reference guide? Or perhaps an idea of which environment (read newsgroup) I should look? I only have his mail address from the ref. guide, and that dates 1989. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christian Lynbech DAIMI office: R0.32 phone: 5034 University of Aarhus,DK-Denmark email: lynbech@daimi.aau.dk --------------------------------------------------------------------------- HELLO, I'm a signature virus! Join in the fun and copy me into yours! ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 10:26:42 GMT From: mcsun!unido!rztsun!ap06!hschs91om@uunet.uu.net (Ole Marienhagen - 04121/91726 ) Subject: Specification for OMTI 5400 needed To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've the problem, that i want to connect an old MFM harddrive with the OMTI 5400 and an ICD-hostadapter to my ATARI ST. The original ICD-Software are not regonizing the OMTI 5400, but the software from the book "Scheibenkleister II" regonize the host as an ADAPTEC 4000/4070 but this software can't format the harddrive in case of wrong orders to the OMTI, but the software can read and write an step on the harddrive. Maybe i can patch the software if i know the parameters for the select, the sense and the format orders to the OMTI.S The OMTI 5400 is Rev T with the software Rev. ST. Please respond via E-MAIL marienhagen@tu-harburg.dbp.de ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 92 11:21:32 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!ukma!vlsi!ulkyvx.louisvill e.edu!R0MILL01@arizona.edu (Robert Delius Royar) Subject: STBook (Notebook computer) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm thinking of getting a laptop. For a while I'd contemplated a MAC PowerBook, but why should I switch from the Atari world? Most of the software I would use I'd write myself. Can someone give some details about the (long awaited) STBook? Specifically, 1. What comparison to ST/STE/MEGA (is it one or the other?)? 2. What internal storage media (floppy/hd)? 3. What kind of screen refresh slow/medium/fast? 4. What expandability (I know there is a (kind of) direct line to the CPU to replace the old cartridge slot, but what else? 5. What memory configurations and how is memory added? 6. What TOS level does it run? 7. Has anyone seen one of these yet? 8. Where can I find a complete review? Thanks, Robert Royar r0mill01@ulkyvx.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 15:30:42 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!yorkohm!minster!mjl-b@uunet.uu.net Subject: TT/030 why the ST RAM? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan3.211104.11419@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes: >As for disk accesses - I thought the ST DMA operated by stealing CPU cycles, >but I guess not. At any rate, the TT has an additional SCSI controller that >can directly access fast RAM... I too thought that ST DMA stole processor cycles -- CPU and DMA interleaved with 64 bus cycles each. I seem to have missed the first part of this discussion -- is this not the true state of affairs? > -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Mathew | Mathew Lodge | "What do they call you, boy?" "Kate." "Isn't | | mjl-b@minster.york.ac.uk | that a bit of a girl's name?" "... it's | | Summer: lodge%alsys@uknet | short for 'Bob'" -- Blackadder II | ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 20:46:46 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!firenze!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro) Subject: TTM194/5 Scan Rates To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I asked this before but got no responses. Surely someone knows what the scan rates of the high res TT monitor are (those of you at atari reading this, for example, likely know or can find out). Have a lot of TTs been sold in Europe? If so, some of you should be able to tell me this info. By the way, here is my wish list for a TT (read: i won't buy one without these features): 1) Standard SIMM memory upgrade for ST and TT ram. If Apple and NeXT can release 68040 machines with this, so can Atari. In fact, isn't this one of the simplest parts of designing a computer? Just run the address and data lines to SIMM sockets. It always seems that Atari is trying to limit the usefulness of our machines, whether by making constant board revisions that break various upgrades and DMA devices (which by the way wouldn't be necessary if the ST had a bus in the first place), or by making it impossible to add memory to machines (like the mega 2s that were actually mega 4s with a few traces cut). People are going to upgrade and modify their machines with or without a bus...so there may as well be one. Atari, please save us the trouble of hacking up our machines. 2) Cheap and available Unix! If you aren't going to market these machines heavily (=not going to sell a lot and thus generate software support), then you need to give us a reason to buy them. Unix will do that for me and for a lot of other people. Keep in mind that a NeXT 68040 with 8 meg of ram and a megapixel (1024x1024) gray scale display and 105Meg hard drive and Unix costs a student $3500US. Your TT is slower and the monitor is monochrome. Thus TT 8/105 +unix better be less than 3500. Since Such a TT already costs 3500, you would need to make the Unix free or pay us to take the unix in order to sell machines. I want a TT, but not at the current prices. 3) Compatibility. Urge developers, especially game developers, to support the TT as well as the ST. Get them to put 'For Atari ST/STe/TT' on the boxes so we can buy with confidence. 4) Insert your wishes here. P.S. please tell me the scan rates of the TTM194 high res monitor if you know. --Bill Magro ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 10:22:01 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!alchemy!accucx!jeroen%phil.ruu.nl@uunet.uu.net (Jeroen Scheerder) Subject: Uniterm on larger screens? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A while ago (say, 2 years) someone wrote on the net about patching UniTerm for use with AutoSwitch Overscan. Alas, I paid no attention back then, but would be interested in the patches now - I just installed PixelWonder and thus now display 768x480 pixels on my SM 124. Anyone still out there who knows of these tricky matters? Replies preferably by e-mail, I will post the excerpt to c.s.a.st if anything comes up. Thanks in advance, Jeroen. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 92 17:18:01 GMT From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: uniterm problem.... HELP PLEASE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <2075@aupair.cs.athabascau.ca> eugene@cs.athabascau.ca (Eugene Rubin) writes: >Whenever I use "more" on the SUN and there is a line in the file >longer than 80 characters, it bombs out Uniterm... I saw a problem similar to this in 132-column mode. Turns out I was using an older version of Uniterm (V2.0c), grabbing V2.0e fixed the problem. -- ############################################################################## # Bill Sheppard -- bills@microware.com -- {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill # # Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 # ############# Opinions expressed are my own and usually wrong ################ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jan 92 11:07:20 mez From: Michael Hohmuth Subject: VDI question To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anybody of you have any experiences with the VDI functions vex_timv, vex_butv, vex_motv and vex_curv? What I don't know is which parameters the interrupt routines that are installed with these calls get and what they have to return. Bye, Michael -- Internet: hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************