Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 16 Jan 92 Volume 92 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: 4Mb upgrades...please help about the 'welcome' posts Apple System 7 on Spectre GCR Atari developer documentation Atari HDX bug in Sozobon 1.33i (H & S) minstart Composite ---> RGB question current TOS-version Games I need to sell Mega STE & Gadgets by Small 68030 SST PD C compilers for ST Spectre 128 and Magic Sac for sale System 7 and Spectre Tos 2.06 Uniterm Tetronic Graphics emulation Video adaptor news release Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Jan 92 11:59:46 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwi n.sura.net!@arizona.edu (Martin Randall) Subject: 4Mb upgrades...please help To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Can anyone out there recommend a good upgrade 4Mb upgrade for a 1040STF (TOS 1.0) ? Many thanks. Martin Randall ______________ ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 92 16:14:12 GMT From: uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!lapis.labmed.umn.edu!da vidli@ames.arpa Subject: about the 'welcome' posts To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The next three posts comprise a new, expanded version of the 'welcome' articles previously posted to comp.sys.atari.st. Please note: 1. They are incomplete - especially the hardware section. The hardware section contains vast areas 'under construction'. I didn't want to hold up the mid-month release of the 'welcome' articles. If you have some information which should go into any of these areas, please send it to me via e-mail. I own a Mega ST, so information which only an STe or TT owner might want to know may or may not make its way into the articles without your help. 2. There are three parts. Comments are greatly appreciated on what items are appropriate for a particular part. 3. I've been sick with the flu since before Christmas, so there may have been editing errors. Let me know, and I'll correct 'em. 4. I'm still working on 'tips on setting up often-used applications', such as Gulam, Sozobon C, MINT, etc. Send me your 'how I did X' articles. -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu "The most important fact about Spaceship Earth: An instruction book didn't come with it." -- R. Buckminster Fuller ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 08:18:30 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!@ arizona.edu (Stephan Muhs) Subject: Apple System 7 on Spectre GCR To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan2.224504.8232@nrc.com> mikey@nrc.com (Mike Goodglick) writes: >Can I get Apple System 7 on Spectre GCR. >My config is as follows Atari Mega4 with 20meg HD. >If so...how??? > >Mike Goodglick >mikey@nrc.com Not until Spectre 3.1 is finally released. But how do you intend to run System 7 with a 20 meg hard drive? -- stephan muhs colonius@dino.dinoco.de wilhelmstr. 51 ...!{tmpmbx|mcshh|smurf|unido}!easix!channelz!dino!colonius 5000 koeln 60 Genie: s.muhs germany voice: +49 221 7393484 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 08:56:44 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.ed u!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington) Subject: Atari developer documentation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The following announcement was made available on GEnie by Bill Rehbock. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- January 15, 1992 Atari Corporation Official Announcement I am pleased to announce that Atari is making all of the released TOS development information available to the general public. We are making the kit available to fulfil the needs of programmers that already have purchased a third-party development package, Atari owners that are curious about the 'nuts and bolts' of The Operating System, and anyone else that wants to have a detailed understanding of TOS software development. If you wish, you may purchase the entire kit for $150.00 (U.S.) and also get one year of technical support from Atari via the private Atari Developer Roundtable on GEnie, 6 issues of the bi-monthly Developer Newsletter, ATARI.RSC, and one year of on-going developer kit upgrades. If you wish to renew after one year, there is a fee of only $40.00. If you wish information on only certain aspects of Atari TOS computers, we also sell sections of the kit separately. The items that are available range from every issue of the developer newsletter since 1985, to the release notes for the exciting new STBOOK. Every detail a software or hardware developer could want is outlined, including MegaSTE/TT VME Bus specifications, STE DMA sound, FSM GDOS programming information, and more. Please see the order form for details. You must purchase the $150.00 full kit to be eligible for on-going support. I'm sorry, but at this time, you may not purchase a part of the kit, and later "upgrade" to the support level. Developers that are currently not registered with Atari, and have a commercial product on the market, or have a product in development, or have any other special needs requiring direct unlimited telephone support should sign up under the Atari Commercial Developer Program. There is an additional fee for this program, but there is no renewal fee required as long as you continue product development and support. (Educators, universities, and businesses may fall into this category.) Please contact Gail Bacani on 408-745-2022 for more information on the Commercial Developer Program. The complete order form follows, outlining all of the documentation that is available. Please note that several items include disks containing software relating to the documentation. We want to assure that you get the most out of your Atari Computer experience! Sincerely, Bill Rehbock, Director of Technical Services, Atari Corp. Included in this archive, please find the file, ORDERFRM.TXT. It outlines all of the documentation that is available, pricing and ordering information. Atari TOS Developer's Kit -- Order Form -- January 4, 1992 ________ $150.00 Complete Developer's Kit, including all documents and disks. Includes 1 year of support via Atari-RSC Developer Roundtable on GEnie, on-going developer kit updates for 1 year, and 6 issues of ATARI.RSC, the bi-monthly developer newsletter. ________ $40.00 One year renewal fee -- 1 year of support via Atari-RSC Developer Roundtable on GEnie, on-going developer kit updates for 1 year, and 6 issues of ATARI.RSC, the bi-monthly developer newsletter. Document and Disk Packages ________ $10.00 Atari.RSC Newsletters (Dec. '89, Jan. '90, Feb. '90, Mar. '90, Apr. '90, May '90, June '90, July '90, Aug. '90, Sept. '90, Oct. '90, Nov. -- Jan. '90-'91, Apr. -- May '91, June -- July '91) The Atari Forum (Mar. '88, May '88, July -- Aug. '88, Sep. -- Dec. '88 Fuji Stripe Newsletter, pages 3 -- 7 (undated) Q & A Bulletins (Feb. '86, Mar. '86, Apr. '86, May '86, June '86, Feb. '87) ________ $20.00 Atari GEMDOS Reference Manual Table of Contents (Apr. 4, 1986) Introduction (5/22/86) Calling, filenames, fileops, processes, vectors, errors (4/4/86) GEMDOS functions by number (undated) Funcs (4/10/86) except pages (9), (21), and (25) (1-23-89) and page (13) (3/7/90) Prg (4/4/86) Pexec Cookbook (6 Sept. 1991) Hitchhiker's Guide to the BIOS (Nov. 26, 1985) New pages: 5, 7, 12, 16, 38, 56, 75 (1-23-89) New pages: 15, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 37a (3-5-90) AHDI 3.00 Release Notes (April 18, 1990) Atari CHKDISK3 Documentation (April 22, 1990) TOS Developer's Kit Disk #4: HDX / System Utilities / STE Programming Examples / CHKDISK3 ________ $40.00 GEM Programming Guide Volume 1 -- VDI (Third Edition: January 1989) Volume 2 -- AES (Third Edition: January 1989) GDOS/FSM GDOS Developer Guide (10/91) GEM Resource Construction Set (undated) TOS Developer's Kit Disk #2: MicroEMACS / Source Code Examples / RCS ________ $40.00 Gem DOS Programmer's Tools (undated, copyright 1989) Command Shell AS68 MADMAC Reference Manual (ver. 1.00) & update (ver. 1.07) ALN Docs. (8/12/88) and update sheet (90/01/24) AR68 (Archive Utility) (undated) DUMP SIZE68 DB Docs. (Release 2, 90/01/24) Motorola S-Record Format TOS Developer's Kit Disk #1: Alcyon C Compiler / ALN Linker TOS Developer's Kit Disk #3: MADMAC / DB Debugger / Programming Utilities / CHKDISK3 ________ $15.00 Engineering Hardware Specifications (7 January 1986) Intelligent Keyboard Protocol (26 February 1985) Chip specifications: 6850 ACIA, MC6850 (undated) 68901 MFP (undated) AY-3-8910 PSG (undated) Programmable Sound Generator Manaual (February 1979) GIACCESS (page 1, March 7, 1990; page 2, 1-23-90) WD 1770/1772 Floppy Disk Controller (undated) Atari Monitor Summary Specifications (May 14, 1986) 128K ROM cartridge schematics (1-2-85) Blitter Chip (17 June 1987) ________ $25.00 STE Hardware Developer Addendum STE features list Genlock and the STE Video Modifications How to Implement Fine Scrolling on the STE STE Digitized Sound Developer Information TT030 Hardware Reference Manual VME Bus Specifications for TT030 and Mega STE Products Rainbow TOS Release Notes STE TOS Release Notes TT030 TOS Release Notes STBook Expansion Bus Electrical Specification TOS Developer's Kit Disk #4: HDX / System Utilities / STE Programming Examples / CHKDISK3 TOS Developer's Kit Disk #5: Demonstrator / eXtensible Control Panel $____________ Subtotal $____________ Tax (CA 8.25%, IL 6.75%, TX 8.25%) $____________ Total Check #:______________ Date:_____________ Company Name:___________________________ Contact:____________________ Ship to:____________________________________ ____________________________________ ____________________________________ ******* Make sure you return both pages of the order form. ******** Please allow 2 - 4 weeks for processing. Make checks payable in U.S. funds to Atari Corporation. Direct all orders to: Atari Corp. 1196 Borregas Avenue Sunnyvale, Calif., U.S.A. 94086 Attn: Gail Bacani ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 01:19:30 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!nc ratl!cscullio@arizona.edu (Chris Scullion) Subject: Atari HDX To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I understand that there is a later version of HDX than 3.01. Is this so? If so, where can I locate a copy? Compuserve's latest version is 3.01. Perhaps GEnie? I don't have access there, but perhaps some kind soul could ... Thanks -- Chris Scullion | NCR Corporation 2651 Satellite Blvd., Duluth, GA 30136 | | (404)623-7352 | VoicePlus 751-7352 | cscullio@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM | ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 05:23:49 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!think.com!paperboy.osf.org!dbrooks @arizona.edu (David Brooks) Subject: bug in Sozobon 1.33i (H & S) minstart To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I too appreciate the ease of installing 1.33i. However, I found an error in minstart.s in the 1.33i release. This is the startup code that does double-duty for accessories and regular programs. When used as an accessory, it stomps on two bytes of the program's .data area. The culprit is a fencepost error in setting the initial stack pointer. As noted in the source, it can't be assembled with jas, so I did a quick object patch (appended). To fix it in source, replace .ds.b STKSIZE-2 localstk: .ds.w 1 stktop: .ds.l 1 by .ds.b STKSIZE localstk: stktop: .ds.l 1 Alternative quick-and-dirty workaround: assemble the following and include it as the last .o file linked: .data .ds.w 1 .end STEVE YELVINGTON: I tried to mail you but it bounced at jhereg.osa.com. David Brooks Open Software Foundation table !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>? @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]~_ begin 644 MINSTART.O M8!H #0 @ " P !~ $YQ3?K~_"/. (!"/N "P z M @(( AF)B!N S1[@ 4T>X '$'H"0!/\.@ +P@O#D)G/SP 2DY!3~\ #& .y M3_D @ ,_P 0 CSP " !![_@ ,#P!_R(\[.SL["#!4 RGB question To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <2776@babcock.cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu> ms@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu (Mark Starvaggi) writes: > Hello and happy new year to all, > > I've got a quick monitor question. Let's say I have one of the old atari > XL computers. It has a monitor port in the back. Now, Let's say I have > an RGB monitor, like the ST monitor. Is there a way to connect that monitor > to the old XL computer. I believe the XL monitor port is for a composite > monitor. Is there some kind of interface that will allow this kind of > connection or can it be hooked up doing some direct wiring of pins from the > port to monitor? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Mark Well if its the New Atari 14" monitor it could be posible, they have A/V inputs.. I used the Commodore C64 (1702 ?) monitor that was made by JVC, worked very well with the 8 bit Atari.. But I don't think its posible if its one of the older 12" monitors.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 08:50:38 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!f auern!@arizona.edu (Torsten Scherer) Subject: current TOS-version To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi there outside! Can anybody tell me the difference between TOS 2.05 and 2.06 ? TeSche ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 92 21:24:01 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!csus.edu!csusac!sactoh0!sap@arizona.edu (Stephan A. Puga) Subject: Games I need to sell To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This article was probably generated by a buggy news reader. -- ############################################################# # "Its been surreal!" # sap@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US # # -- Gogo Dodo # UUCP=..ames!pacbell!sactoh0 # ############################################################# ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 07:09:28 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!ma th.fu-berlin.de!unidui!flyer!easix.GUN.de!channelz.GUN.de!dino.DinoCo.de!coloni us@arizona.edu (Stephan Muhs) Subject: Mega STE & Gadgets by Small 68030 SST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article alanh@logitek.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) writes: >Hi All, > > Does the Mega STE work with Dave Smalls 68030 SST Board ??? > > If so, When using the 68000 for compatibility mode, can you still > switch between 8 and 16MHz operation ???? > > Alan Hourihane > > email: alanh@logitek.co.uk Nope. The Mega STE has a 68000 CPU in a PLCC socket - while the 68030 SST is designed to replace a 68000 CPU in DIL style. Also, the form factor in the Mega STE is very different from the Mega ST - so the SST would simply not fit into the case. A SST for the Mega STE may come out, according to Dave Small. But then again, this is "may" as in "may be, may be not"... Stephan -- stephan muhs colonius@dino.dinoco.de wilhelmstr. 51 ...!{tmpmbx|mcshh|smurf|unido}!easix!channelz!dino!colonius 5000 koeln 60 Genie: s.muhs germany voice: +49 221 7393484 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 92 22:00:56 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!w am.umd.edu!dmb@arizona.edu (David M. Baggett) Subject: PD C compilers for ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1071@ehviea.ine.philips.nl> leo@ehviea.UUCP (Leo de Wit) writes: >In article nollert@nova.tat.physik.uni-tuebingen.de (Hans-Peter Nollert) writes: >|leo@ehviea.ine.philips.nl (Leo de Wit) writes: >| >|>Exactly. This sign bit is precisely a factor of 2, 32K positive of >|>address register, and 32K negative of it. And 32K + 32K = 64K... >| >|BUT - You have to take into account that you might have to jump from the >|beginning of the segment to the end, or vice versa. You can cover only 32K >|in each direction! >| >|Hans-Peter > >Therefore the address register that is used for the indexed addressing, >is set up to point to base+32K of the stuff to be addressed... > >And 32K in each direction is still 64K! > > Leo. > >P.S. Sorry, I have some experience with assembly programming for the >ST; this is perhaps too simple for me. The point is that 68000 branch instructions only have 16-bit offsets, so you can't jump from the beginning of a 64K segment to the end. Think about it: if you give branch an offset of $FFFF, it will intepret the high bit as sign and convert to an ofset of -32K, NOT +64K. For full generality, one needs to be able to jump from anywhere in a segment to anywhere else in the segment. So segments are limited to 32K without lots of trickery. Dave Baggett dmb@wam.umd.edu ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jan 92 22:57:56 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.ed u!menudo.uh.edu!st11w@arizona.edu (Dennis Gray Jr.) Subject: Spectre 128 and Magic Sac for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a Spectre 128 with no ROMS for sale. $50 plus shipping. I also have a Magic Sac for sale WITH ROMS. Also $50 plus shipping. Email only please. Prices Nego. Voice number (713)998-9264 Leave message. -dennis -- "... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." -- offer void where prohibited by law -- Dennis Gray, Jr. dgray@sugar.hackercorp.com st11w@menudo.uh.edu dennis@nuchat.sccsi.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 08:18:28 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!@ arizona.edu (Stephan Muhs) Subject: System 7 and Spectre To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan2.231100.8017@rodan.acs.syr.edu> ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes: >It's been a while, so I thought I'd ask again: any news on >progress toward making Spectre System 7 compatible? e.g., is >it in beta-version yet? >Just wondering. >--Gerry >ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu Here the latest information I got from Gadgets (dated December 31): Spectre 3.1 *should* be ready at the end of January - and it will support System 7. However, since then I wasn`t able to reach anybody at Gadgets`. I understand that the lady who ran the paperworks quit in December and moved to Jamaica. Since then, Gadgets has been, hmm - let`s say less than responsive. Anyway, all release dates by Gadgets should be taken with a grain of salt, considering that the original release date for Spectre 3.1 was in Summer 1991... Stephan -- stephan muhs colonius@dino.dinoco.de wilhelmstr. 51 ...!{tmpmbx|mcshh|smurf|unido}!easix!channelz!dino!colonius 5000 koeln 60 Genie: s.muhs germany voice: +49 221 7393484 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 07:25:28 GMT From: ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!news@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Ling Cherd Ho) Subject: Tos 2.06 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have some questions and hope someone can help: I have a 1040Ste manufactured in '90 with Tos 1.6 Can I replace the old Tos with the New Tos 2.06? Do I just replace the chips? By the way how many chips are there and where are they located in the Ste? and finally where can I get the cheapest Tos 2.06? from Codehead? Thanks ... Ling Cherd ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 00:19:48 GMT From: boulder!news@uunet.uu.net (Todd C. Miller) Subject: Uniterm Tetronic Graphics emulation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1992Jan15.205408.25410@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> lchd_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Ling Cherd Ho) writes: >Can anyone tell me what I can do with the Tektronic (sp?) Graphics >terminal emulation in the Uniterm? > >Thanks > >.... > Ling Cherd >. I use it to run matlab from home. - todd -- Todd C. Miller | "But all the politiCIAns now millert@cs.Colorado.EDU | They have no excuse al804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu | They just hide behind their power University of Colorado @ Boulder | And keep us from the truth" - Roger McGuinn ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 92 09:13:16 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!think.com!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!cs.u mn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington) Subject: Video adaptor news release To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Gribnif Software News Release January 15, 1992 =========================== = = = Crazy Dots = = Video Display Adapter = = = =========================== Gribnif Software has announced the imminent North American release of their new "Crazy Dots" video display adapter for the Atari Mega ST, Mega STE, and TT/030 personal computers. The Crazy Dots video display adapter allows the Atari computer to drive a variety of VGA, Multi-Sync, and other high end color and gray scale displays. The adapter supports resolutions up to 1,664 x 1,200 pixels, and can display up to 256 different colors or gray levels at once. Developed by TKR in Germany, the adapter is the fastest of its kind, offering the ability to switch the display's physical resolution from within any GEM program. Its numerous features include: o Display up to 256 colors or grey levels from a palette of 16.7 million, in any resolution from 320 x 200 up to 1,280 x 800 pixels. o Extended resolution support up to 1,664 x 1,200 pixels in monochrome, four, eight, and sixteen color modes. o Software uses an exclusive "line-a-emulator", for maximum software compatibility (depending on the selected display mode). o Mouse controlled hardware panning, which allows for the display of any virtual resolution, regardless of the monitor's maximum physical resolution. o Connects to any Multi-Sync displays via a regular 15-pin VGA connector. o Uses Tseng Labs's powerful ET-4000 graphics controller. o Includes one full megabyte of display memory, with full Blitter access. o Complete math co-processor support. o Megabus model includes a bus "pass through" and socket for an optional math co-processor. o Includes a special "Video Application Slot" for future expansions options, including: ECL adaptor, Genlock, and True Color display. Crazy Dots is available in two models. The "Crazy Dots Megabus" model, designed to fit into Atari's original Mega ST2 and Mega ST4 computers, is available for $949. The "Crazy Dots VME" model, designed to fit into Atari's Mega STE and TT/030 computers, is available for $999. To place an order, or for more information, please contact Gribnif Software directly: Gribnif Software P.O. Box 350, Hadley, MA 01035 Tel: (413) 584-7887, Fax: (413) 584-2565 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 92 08:18:40 +0100 From: eedvab@aachen.ericsson.se (Vjeko Balas) To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu SUBSCRIBE Vjeko Balas ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************