Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 11 Dec 91 Volume 91 : Issue 653 Today's Topics: atari.archiv ATARI DTP SYSTEM FOR SALE - SOLD DC? (3 msgs) Dungeon Master - HELP Files sent to atari.archive (2 msgs) follow up to the SOLD message (with more appologies) General comparisons Okami 1.3 (revised edition :-) (3 msgs) Request Sozobon V2.0 crc fault?? (2 msgs) Spectre and P6/HP Laser Supra Daisy chain Tos 1.2 -> 1.4, should I do it? TT on ETHERNET?! Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product WYSIWYG Word Processors fo Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Dec 91 10:39:29 CET From: Jan Kriesten Subject: atari.archiv To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello everyone, can anybody tell where atari.archiv is and how i can get files from there? i heard a lot of things about it but i don't know much about it yet! --- Jan. :-) ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 15:26:08 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnu s.acs.ohio-state.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler) Subject: ATARI DTP SYSTEM FOR SALE - SOLD To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu To everyone interested in purchasing my computer system: Well, after all these negoations, would it really piss you off if I sold it all to someone else? I have a guy here in Columbus willing to pay me $2800 for the entire system, which is about $600 more than I've managed to get across the net. It would also save me TONS of work and money shipping everything. I'm not rich enough to turn down $600 even if I do piss off a bunch of generally pretty cool guys in the process. I feel really bad about this because I know you guys put a lot of work into deciding what you wanted, how much you can pay, etc. I hope you can understand my end of things as well. One advantage is that I'll have enough cash to buy and older Atari, as well as what I had planned to get (a powerbook), and will probably stick around the net, if you all don't kill me of course. If anyone has actually sent me a payment yet, let me know right away and we can figure something out (I'll reimburse you for costs if necessary). By the way, you really should read my cool .sig file ;-) - David Butler - dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -Kaleidoscope woman in rhinestoned levi's jeans dancing in the sunset sketching day's last scene- - Willie Phoenix - ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 11:37:02 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!stl!dsbc!ozz!jas@uunet.uu.net (Jason Morris) Subject: DC? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Have you considered how large a window containing the entire character set would have to be. You could scale it down ad infinitum of course, but to be able to accurately "type" on it there would be limits, and I think it would be pretty big. Kind of makes it difficult to see the application you're using! Just my 2 ECUs worth, Jason. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Jason Morris jas@oasis.icl.co.uk +44 344 424842 ext 2662 | | ICL Computers Ltd, BRA01, Lovelace Rd, Bracknell, Berks, England. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 12:28:22 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!stl!dsbc!ozz!srs@uunet.uu.net (Steve Strong) Subject: DC? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Jason Morris writes: > > Have you considered how large a window containing the entire character set > would have to be. You could scale it down ad infinitum of course, but to be > able to accurately "type" on it there would be limits, and I think it would be > pretty big. Kind of makes it difficult to see the application you're using! > > Just my 2 ECUs worth, Oh, I don't know - how about this: +------------------------------+ |1234567890-~ [shift button]| |qwertyuiop@[ [alt button] | |asdfghjkl;:] [ctrl button] | |\zxcvbnm,./ | +------------------------------+ ie, just one display of the keyboard. When the shift button is clicked, all the other keys change to their shifted values. Same with alt and ctrl. Maybe one extra key [ctrl character] which pops up a keypad to allow people to enter control characters by number. Steve > > Jason. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > | Jason Morris jas@oasis.icl.co.uk +44 344 424842 ext 2662 | > | ICL Computers Ltd, BRA01, Lovelace Rd, Bracknell, Berks, England. | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Strong - email srs@oasis.icl.co.uk | Views expressed are not those voice 44 344 424842 extn 2279 | of ICL. I think. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HELLO, I'm a signature virus! Join in the fun and copy me into yours! ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 15:20:46 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!bion et!raven.alaska.edu!milton!mpark@arizona.edu (Michael Park) Subject: DC? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is this sort of thing even possible? How does one get an accessory to do the "typing" for another program (legally)? -- Ciao-abunga! +-------------------------------------+ Michael Park | This space intentionally left blank | mpark@u.washington.edu +-------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 23:11:11 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!sync!bo yd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: Dungeon Master - HELP To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Dec8.020158.537@wkuvx1.bitnet>, easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes: >Does anyone know where I can look for some good Dungeon Master hint >files? If not, what's the easiest way to kill the knights and the >elemental orb thingie? On the level where the knights become a serious problem for the first time, there is an invisible barrier that you can cross (but the monsters cannot). They can still shoot stuff at you though. Anyway, you lead the monsters to this barrier, then bash them for awhile, step sideways and sleep to rebuild your strength, then do it over again. This will get rid of them without too much trouble. The best maps and spell chart I have seen are from the Current Notes PD library. They are all on one disk. Costs about $3 as I remember. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Come to your senses professor FSU Computer Science | Fernberg. You did not transcend Technical Support Group | the time-space continuum. You email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | got drunk in a topless bar." ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 91 23:49:48 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!csun.edu!kithrup!hoptoad!wet!wet.UUCP@ariz ona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: Files sent to atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu These files were just sent to Jeff at atari.archive. 1ST_NOTE.LZH 27846 A MIDI application. CLIPCPX.LZH 9347 Clipboard utility as a CPX. ICONDEM3.ARC 16640 Demo of NewDesk Icon CPX. An icon editor. KAOS21EG.LZH 83456 KAOS 2.1 Desktop in English. MMM20.LZH 86400 A MIDI application. MSPYDEMO.ARC 46848 Codehead's MIDISpy Demo. Lets you capture MIDI input anytime. SUDDEN.LZH 129792 Sudden View editor demo. This is an enhancement over the previous demo. (Piet, I forgot to save your address. :~( I hope you can get those ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 15:29:02 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps. ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!yfn.ysu.edu!ysub!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!on m07@arizona.edu Subject: Files sent to atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <3141@wet.UUCP>, ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) says: > >These files were just sent to Jeff at atari.archive. > >1ST_NOTE.LZH 27846 A MIDI application. >CLIPCPX.LZH 9347 Clipboard utility as a CPX. >ICONDEM3.ARC 16640 Demo of NewDesk Icon CPX. An icon editor. >KAOS21EG.LZH 83456 KAOS 2.1 Desktop in English. As far as I know, this is a commercial product!!! >MMM20.LZH 86400 A MIDI application. >MSPYDEMO.ARC 46848 Codehead's MIDISpy Demo. Lets you capture MIDI > input anytime. >SUDDEN.LZH 129792 Sudden View editor demo. This is an enhancement > over the previous demo. > > >(Piet, I forgot to save your address. :~( I hope you can get those ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 15:38:22 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs .ohio-state.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler) Subject: follow up to the SOLD message (with more appologies) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Oh, as a follow up, I tried to talk this guy into buying everything that was left, but he whats it all as is, period. I'm still trying to talk him out of one of the drives because there is a guy going to drive down from the Toledo area to pick it up on Saturday. At any rate, I hope none of you know where I live... (I envision broken glass and bricks with notes that say "I hope this landed on your powerbook you slime"). As I said before, I'll reimburse anyone for the cost of their money order and stamps. At any rate, if I pick up an old ST I'll stick around on this newsgroup which will give you all lots of time to publically humilate me for my business practices. Hey, it's a difference of $600, what would you do? Look, basically I feel REALLY REALLY bad about this already. Check out the January issue of PUBLISH, has a VERY LITTLE article about the Atari TT in it! By the way, you really should read my cool .sig file ;-) - David Butler - dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu -where can I find myself a flower child, she said 'forget the flowers we'll take the psychedelics'- - Willie Phoenix - ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 05:41:06 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!gumby!obryan@arizona.edu (Mark O'Bryan) Subject: General comparisons To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Dec9.221339.9528@milton.u.washington.edu> tymbrimi@milton.u.washington.edu (Ben Gilbert) writes: > In article <2884@opus.NMSU.Edu> dleland@dewey.NMSU.Edu (LELAND) writes: > .... > >Anyway, I for one would be interested in hearing about what is new and > >interesting coming out for the ST. I understand Atari has implimented a blitter > >chip on their new 68030 machines. Is this true? How does it work, and who is > >writing programs that take advantage of it? > > Well I am not a hardware expert, but I do know that the BLiTTER has been > installed in all the new machines, that includes the regular STE's, the > Mega STE's, and the TT. (only the last one is a 68030, the others are the > usual 68000, with the Mega STE with a 16 MHz CPU...) There is no blitter in the TT's. (But there is in the new ST Book.) The 030 is faster than the blitter chip. -- Mark T. O'Bryan Internet: obryan@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, MI 49008 ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 13:30:53 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz!w350zrz!subiaagb@uunet.uu.net (Andre Pareis) Subject: Okami 1.3 (revised edition :-) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <2105@daily-planet.concordia.ca>, agostino@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Agostino Deligia) writes: |> Host forwiss.uni-passau.de (132.231.20.10) |> Last updated 04:48 3 Dec 1991 |> |> Location: /pub/incoming |> FILE rw-r--r-- 238341 Oct 17 15:07 okami13b.lzh Hello Agostino, I tried to get this file, put I didn't have the permission to read in that directory. The line you've posted is from the ls-lR file, isn't it? In /pub/atari/cli I found OKAMI12.LZH, but I prefer the newer version. I'll write admin of forwiss... to get some informations. Bye. Andr'e ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 15:29:35 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!zam103!djukfa11! iff327@arizona.edu (Mueller-Pfeiffer, Stefan) Subject: Okami 1.3 (revised edition :-) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu There is already version 1.4 of OKAMI shell aviable, but certainly not from any ftp server. You can contact the author directly from the internet. His email address is: Wolfram_Roesler@ac.maus.de In case of problems I could also send you the package (somehow packed and uuencoded) Stefan Mueller-Pfeiffer ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 16:27:36 GMT From: yuma!lamar!sytang@purdue.edu (Shoou-yu tang) Subject: Okami 1.3 (revised edition :-) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1919@mailgzrz.tu-berlin.de> subiaagb@w350zrztu-berlin.de (Andre Pareis) writes: >In article <2105@daily-planet.concordia.ca>, agostino@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Agostino Deligia) writes: > >|> Host forwiss.uni-passau.de (132.231.20.10) >|> Last updated 04:48 3 Dec 1991 >|> >|> Location: /pub/incoming >|> FILE rw-r--r-- 238341 Oct 17 15:07 okami13b.lzh > >Hello Agostino, > > I tried to get this file, put I didn't have the permission to > read in that directory. The line you've posted is from the > ls-lR file, isn't it? In /pub/atari/cli I found OKAMI12.LZH, > but I prefer the newer version. I'll write admin of forwiss... > to get some informations. > > Bye. Andr'e The file is there and I have got it over to my account now, however it's all German doc.s and probably the program is German based so have not transfer it to a.a.u.e., if there is a demand for it eventhough it's in German then I'll glad to send it to a.a.u.e. Tang sytang@lamar.colostate.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 91 14:11 From: UK1T%DKAUNI2.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Request To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu You wanted to know, if the PC-Ditto will run with a 68030 processor. We tried to start PC-Ditto with an Atari TT, but it does not run. Some test with St-machines with a 68030 or 68040 processor have shown that it is not possible to start PC-Ditto. Perhaps some timing-problems with the program-interrupts, maybe the use of illegal traps an wrong adressing. If you want more information, call directly me. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 05:22:49 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!darwin.ntu.edu.au!topfm@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu Subject: Sozobon V2.0 crc fault?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <199836@unix.cis.pitt.edu>, slsst11@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Sharon L Skwara) writes: > In article <1991Dec10.162151.2186@darwin.ntu.edu.au> topfm@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes: >>I extracted the files for scsrc20 from comp.sources.atari >> >>They _all_ fail crc when UUDecoding >> >>Is it just me??? >> >>Rob. > > > > It MAY be that the files (it's a LZH file right?) are compacted with the > newer LH5 method (so if you're using LHARC060 or LZH11321 or family, it > won't work). I downloaded the files and believe had the same problem. > Get a copy of LZH201D or family (by this, I mean, LZH 200, etc) - bet you > it will work! > > slsst11 No no no.... It is my UUDecoder that is reporting bad crc... Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 91 11:32:32 mez From: Michael Hohmuth Subject: Sozobon V2.0 crc fault?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >>I extracted the files for scsrc20 from comp.sources.atari >> >>They _all_ fail crc when UUDecoding >> >>Is it just me??? >> >>Rob. You should UUDecode the files with the Atari UUD utility (which is available from comp.binaries.atari.st), but NOT with U**x's uudecode. Run UUD passing it 'scsrc20.uaa'. The other files (.uab - .uag) will be included automatically by UUD. The result is scsrc20.lzh, which can be extracted by Lharc 1.13 (I think) or newer :-) . Mail me if you want to get a working Atari UUD. Bye. Michael hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Dec 91 15:52 From: UK1T%DKAUNI2.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Spectre and P6/HP Laser To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I work with an ATARI TT and Spectre. Now I've got some questions about the printerdevice. How can I use a NEC P6plus e.g. with Word 4.0? How can I use a HP-compatible laserprinter? If there are some SPECTRE- users, I would be happy to get any contact to you. Please send your mail directly to me: UK1T@ibm3090.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 05:15:21 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!corvette.utdallas.edu!tamsun!t amuts!n160ao@arizona.edu (Mark Lehmann) Subject: Supra Daisy chain To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am a knowledgable software engineer but I lack knowledge in actual working hardware design. Well I just bought a 60 Meg Supra hard drive, and I want to connect it to my Supra 20 Meg hard drive. But the Supra Drive I have doesn't have any Atari DMA plugs on it. It does have a 25 pin D connector though. Does anyone know how to or know of a document that describe how to daisy chain supra hard drives. Both of these drives have their own complete set of adapters which lets each drive be plugged directly into the Atari DMA port. My problem is in trying to make the two work together. I really (greedily) desire to have the 80 Megs. My other option is to sell the 20 Meg drive; which I do not want to do. By the way TeX people should be happy in about 3 weeks. When I get my 60 Meg Supra drive (It's currently being shipped) I am going to configure Atari ST TeX twice using two different configurations. Then my FINAL copy of the TeX installation guide will appear *WITH* references to those much too helpful people who assisted. THANKS! ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 08:04:11 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!fub!einoed!aball!zelator!holger@uunet.uu.net (Holger Lesch) Subject: Tos 1.2 -> 1.4, should I do it? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Yes ! -- ############################################################# # Holger Lesch email (privat) : # # Sybelstrasse 23 holger@zelator.in-berlin.de # # W-1000 Berlin email (non-privat): # # Tel. (030) 3243615 holger@kom.sietec.de # ############################################################# ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 09:33:45 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia .edu!ira.uka.de!THD-News!news@arizona.edu (Dr. Eder, Manfred) Subject: TT on ETHERNET?! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi netters, I posted a releated message to a bitnet-server (atarst-l) but never got an answer. So here's again: I like to know something about the ethernet-interface of the TT. First, is it AUI or BNC? Then I must know, what software exists to integrate this machine into our LAN? We currently can support DECNET, LAT and TCP/IP. We're running several hosts in our net, as several VMS-Clusters, some AIX-machines, some ULTRIX, some SUN-OS and IRIX (or IRIS)-stuff. But some clients want to integrate the atari as well. Has anybody done that before ? Thanks for help. Oh, please do reply direct to either the address shown in the header or to SYSGAERTNER@CYGNUS.FRM.MASCHINENBAU.TH-DARMSTADT.DE (this one might fail!) M. Gaertner TH Darmstadt, Germany ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 22:15:48 GMT From: psinntp!mpoint!ritz@uunet.uu.net (Chris Mauritz) Subject: Why ASV Is A Dead No Future Product To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article erlingh@grimne.idt.unit.no (Erling Henanger) writes: >And, Richard, do you know what the GNU project people think about apple ? >Infact, they like apple so much that they promise NOT to support apple >unix in their software distributions. While this is true, it is usually not too long before someone else ports the GNU stuff over to the Mac platform since the source is free. Most of the major GNU tools and many minor ones are indeed available on the Mac. Regards, Chris -- ------------------------------------+------------------------------------------ Chris Mauritz |Meetpoint Station BBS - Public Access Unix ritz@msb.com |(718)899-0662 v.32/v.32bis/v.42bis 9600b Copyright (C) 1991 |Join us...We're friendly dammit! :-) ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 91 05:56:20 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!slxsys!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Iain Laskey) Subject: WYSIWYG Word Processors fo To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Try Calligrapher. All you want plus preview, outliner, thesaurus, spell check vector fonts, everything. UK pounds 140 from Working Title, PO Box 4, Eynsham, Oxford. OX8 1UD. UK. Tel. 0865 883592 fax 0865 883233. Free demo disk available. Also cut down version without graphics tools, outliner etc for 69 uk pounds ############################### # Iain R Laskey # # ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk # ############################### ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************