Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 10 Dec 91 Volume 91 : Issue 651 Today's Topics: '020 and '030 C compilers.. 1040ST for sale Canon BJ-10e DAVID D'ANDREA DC? (2 msgs) Dungeon Master - HELP Graphics Stuff ICD Host Adapt. Card price (2 msgs) I need a hand scanner for an Atari ST 1040 (US or Yugoslavia) Mind Forever Voyaging (2 msgs) more problems with pym.arc Okami 1.3 (revised edition :-) OMEGA; New version at archive.cs.ruu.nl Rufus 1.06 & sz Sozobon V2.0 crc fault?? To Jerry McLaren about Spider Tos 1.2 -> 1.4, should I do it? TOS 1.4 Double-click fix patch (Was: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #650) Unmsa'ing 800K+ files on 1Meg 1Drive system. Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Dec 91 12:24:52 GMT From: netcomsv!yonder@decwrl.dec.com (Christopher Russell) Subject: '020 and '030 C compilers.. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Me and a friend are working on a small '030 system which will start out as nothing but memory and an RS232 port. Anyways... In the past my friend had the Atari ST developers kit from way back and he used it when he built his own small 68000 system. He was able to use the Alcyon C compiler to generate code for his system. We'd like to be able to generate '030 or at least '020 code on the ATari ST if possible. Is a cross compiler available. Will the GNU C compiler do this... thanks... -- Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy) Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@juts.ccc.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 15:56:20 GMT From: bywater!arnor!watson!alina.watson.ibm.com!mfagan@uunet.uu.net (Mike Fagan) Subject: 1040ST for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu -- Want to buy my Atari system? I'll break out the printer and/or modem, but nothing else, please. Prices: $1000 everything $750 w/o printer $650 w/o printer and modem best offer Hardware (with original boxes) -------- Atari 1040ST with TOS 1.4 in ROM Atari 20 Meg Hard Drive (SH204) Atari Color Monitor (SC1224) LogiKhron Clock Module (LCM-2000) Magic Sac+ Extras ------ Panasonic Printer (KX-P1092) Qubie 1200 Baud Modem (212A/1200E) Software (with Manuals) -------- Atari: Distribution (ST Basic, ST Logo, First Word) Developer's Kit Crystal Castles Timeworks: Word Writer SwiftCalc Data Manager ST Metacomco: Lattice C Illiad Software: CircuitMaker Beckmeyer: Hard Disk Toolkit Books ----- Abacus: Graphics and Sound, ST Internals, GEM Programmer's Reference, Peeks and Pokes, Tricks and Tips, Machine Language, Introduction to MIDI Programming ------------------------------------- Contact: Michael S. Fagan E-mail: mfagan@watson.ibm.com Phone: (914) 664-2082 (work) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 15:53:20 GMT From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay) Subject: Canon BJ-10e To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu What are the differences between the Canon BJ-10e and the Canon BJ-5? What do they emulate? Can they work with current ST software? How about with the Spectre GCR?? Does anybody own one of these? Bob Malay ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 15:08:10 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-sta te.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler) Subject: DAVID D'ANDREA To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu David, your mail bounced, so I hope you read this sometime soon... > So, 75$ american for Calamus and the Cherry fonts, including > shipping? > > David D'Andrea Ok, I checked into COD shipping, and it is fairly expensive. Instead, I would like a check or money order (prefer a money order). If you send a money order I'll pay shipping. If you send a check please include and extra $3(american) for shipping. You can send off the check/money order as soon as you wish. Something I forgot to mention is that this comes with "The Calamus guide to desktop publishing", or something like that. If you send me and extra $10 I'll include about 7 megs! of fonts I have converted from Mac format (forgot to mention that too). David Butler 1996 Summit St. Apt. B Columbus, Ohio 43201 (614)-297-7967 PS, the extra $3 for shipping if you send a check is just incentive to send a money order instead... ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 17:43:57 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!sl sst11@arizona.edu (Sharon L Skwara) Subject: DC? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu True, my idea of that file to use mouse clicks for typewritten keys may not be very useful to those who can type VERY quick, but you did bring up a good point - anyone having problems with their hands may find some use for it. And it would just be nice to be able to do everything without needing to hit the keyboard. If I could program on the ST, I'd do it myself. Here's how I was thinking it could be like: a GEM window opens, and inside is a replica of the keyboard - just click on the key to send the character as if you would have pressed the key itself. this way you could access all the Function keys, etc as well. I dunno, it would be something novel, if nothing else... slsst11 m ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 19:48:09 GMT From: ucla-se!pantheon!willing@locus.ucla.edu (Scott Willingham) Subject: DC? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <199834@unix.cis.pitt.edu> slsst11@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Sharon L Skwara) writes: > > True, my idea of that file to use mouse clicks for typewritten keys may >not be very useful to those who can type VERY quick, but you did bring up >a good point - anyone having problems with their hands may find some use for >it. And it would just be nice to be able to do everything without needing >to hit the keyboard. If I could program on the ST, I'd do it myself. > > Here's how I was thinking it could be like: > >a GEM window opens, and inside is a replica of the keyboard - just click on >the key to send the character as if you would have pressed the key itself. >this way you could access all the Function keys, etc as well. While such a utility may be useful for people with disabilities, it is just silly for anyone else. Even if you are a bad typist, how could you "poke keys" with a mouse pointer on a fascimile keyboard any faster than you could poke real keys with your finger on a real keyboard? You still need to "hunt and peck" in the same inefficient way. If you are insistant on using the mouse for text input, at least come up with an interface that is more suited to mouse movements than finger motions. I'd recommend getting a program that teaches you to type. It's a worthwhile investment of your time if you plan to use computers to any degree in the future. -- Scott Willingham . . . . . . ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 18:18:26 GMT From: zazen!news@decwrl.dec.com (PAul STevens -- MACC) Subject: Dungeon Master - HELP To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Dec8.020158.537@wkuvx1.bitnet>, easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes... >Does anyone know where I can look for some good Dungeon Master hint >files? If not, what's the easiest way to kill the knights and the >elemental orb thingie? > ..thanx in advance, There is a very good hint book sold by Arthur Brown Company. Three levels of hints as I recall. I believe I won the game without killing a knight. Running seemed to work better. PAul ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 13:18:05 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!harrier.ukc.ac.uk!eagle.ukc.ac.uk!rlw@uunet.uu.net (R.L.Wall) Subject: Graphics Stuff To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Can someone please mail me addresses for all the anonynous ftp sites that have graphics software for the ST, especially raytracing and photo-realism software please.... Cheers - Dick -- Crack, junkies, guns, sluts and cocaine; Men killing men, feeling no pain; We've all gone insane; The world is a gutter! - Donnie Vie (Enuff Znuff) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 13:17:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!think.com!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columb ia.edu!ira.uka.de!uka!irau29!s_grunwa@arizona.edu (Knut Grunwald) Subject: ICD Host Adapt. Card price To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I don't know your version, but i heard about 250.- DM here in Germany for the ICD Advantage (distributor -> Wittich). There are special prices, if you buy a drive with the adapter. Knut Grunwald ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 17:30:05 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physic s.uiowa.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!news@arizona.edu (Ray Cole) Subject: ICD Host Adapt. Card price To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <52237@olivea.atc.olivetti.com> grillo@olivey.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Savino Grillo) writes: >Hi There, >What is the price of the ICD Host Adapter (DMA->SCSI) board in the USA ? >Here in ITALY is about 196 $. SInce I'll be in the USA around January >I tought if is worthing to buy the card over there. > Savino The ICD Hosta Adaptor is available here from E.Arthur Brown for about $90 US. This is the best price i've found on it. I don't have their catalogue or phone number right handy but could look it up if you'd like. -- Ray Cole | raycole@matt.ksu.ksu.edu Computer Consultant | This space for rent or hire Manhattan KS USA | Make an offer ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 91 23:48:53 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken!quintro!bpdsun1!pdb@arizona.edu (Phil D. Baurer) Subject: I need a hand scanner for an Atari ST 1040 (US or Yugoslavia) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I would like any information on obtaining a hand scanner of any sort for an Atari ST 1040. If by chance this would be easier to obtain in Yugoslavia, that would be great, but I don't expect that. Thanks! ----- quintro!bpdsun1!pdb@lll-winken.llnl.gov or uunet!tiamat!quintro!bpdsun1!pdb ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 04:49:17 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.i ns.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as666@arizona.edu (Jonathan Roy) Subject: Mind Forever Voyaging To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've been trying to find this old INfocom game for a long time, and decided to finally post a message about it here. Does anyone know where I can buy a copy of this from, or if you have you, would you be interested in selling it? No mail-order places I called have it, so I believe it's out of production...Thanks. -- ||| Jonathan Roy (The Ninja) Internet: as666@cleveland.freenet.edu ||| -- BBS: Darkest Realm - (Down for now) - Public UUCP/Usenet -- / | \ "...make him want to change his name,take him to the cleaners, devastate him, wipe him out, humiliate him." -CHESS GEnie: J.ROY18 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 15:43:45 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!hri.com!ukma!u senet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as666@arizona.edu (Jonathan Roy) Subject: Mind Forever Voyaging To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've been trying to find this old INfocom game for a long time, and decided to finally post a message about it here. Does anyone know where I can buy a copy of this from, or if you have you, would you be interested in selling it? No mail-order places I called have it, so I believe it's out of production...Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 13:34:01 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgu di.oar.net!yfn.ysu.edu!ysub!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett) Subject: more problems with pym.arc To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, I got the file , unarced it to its 4 .lzh files, but only one of these will lharc correctly, the others give an sorry, cannot extract, invalid function number. This happens with both the unix lharc and the ST lharc I use. Anyone have the same problem? ------------------ J.J. Lehett : Atari's, puzzles, games, chaos, fractals, math.... - jjl101@psuvm.psu.edu Penn State CAC Lab Operator - aa400@cleveland.freenet.edu Atari 16/32 bit SIG Sysop ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 14:48:42 GMT From: bonnie.concordia.ca!daily-planet.concordia.ca!agostino@uunet.uu.net (Agostino Deligia) Subject: Okami 1.3 (revised edition :-) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello again! Well, it seems I was half asleep when I telneted to archie to find out where version 1.3 of Okami Shell is located. The ftp site is NOT uni.passau.de BUT: Host forwiss.uni-passau.de (132.231.20.10) Last updated 04:48 3 Dec 1991 Location: /pub/incoming FILE rw-r--r-- 238341 Oct 17 15:07 okami13b.lzh So, if anyone is still willing to ftp it to a North-American site (preferably atari.archive) I would greatly appreciate it since I am not allowed to ftp overseas... :-( Thanks again, Agostino (hopefully awake this time!) -- Agostino Deligia agostino@concour.cs.concordia.ca It was the best of .sigs, it was the worst of .sigs... ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 15:29:49 GMT From: mcsun!sun4nl!alchemy!ate@uunet.uu.net (Ate Brink) Subject: OMEGA; New version at archive.cs.ruu.nl To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A few days ago Hildo Biersma announced a new version of the dungeon game Omega. This program is now also available in Europe! From his announcement: This new version was needed because the last version had a serious bug, causing the game to crash quite often when loading a saved game. This bug has been corrected in the new version so, if you are playing this game, please switch to the new version! You can get the game from our Atari archive by anonymous FTP or by our mail-server. Hildo also uploaded a new version of the Moria game. ________________________________________________________________________ We, Computer Science department, Utrecht University, are running an anonymous FTP server on one of our systems. In addition to the FTP service we're also running a mail server, for those of you without direct Internet access. --> How to get 'Omega and Moria' via anonymous FTP: Site: archive.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.5] Login: "anonymous" or "ftp" Password: your own email address (you@your_domain) Files: ATARI-ST/games/omega.zoo ATARI-ST/games/moria.zoo --> How to get 'Omega and Moria' via e-mail from our mail-server: NOTE: In the following I have assumed that your mail address is "fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu"; of course you must substitute your own address for this. ** PLEASE USE VALID DOMAIN ADDRESSES. DO NOT USE ADDRESSES ** ** WITH ! and @ MIXED !!!! BITNETTERS USE USER@HOST.BITNET ** Send the following message to mail-server@cs.ruu.nl or the old-fashioned path alternative uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ruuinf!mail-server begin path fred_flintstone@stone.age.edu (SUBSTITUTE *YOUR* ADDRESS) send ATARI-ST/games/omega.zoo send ATARI-ST/games/moria.zoo end The path command can be deleted if we receive a valid from address in your message. If this is the first time you use our mail server, we suggest you first issue the request: send HELP A complete "ls-lR" listing of the archive is kept in the top-level directory, it will be updated every night. To get it, issue the command: send ls-lR.Z That's all for now. If you encounter problems using the FTP service and/or the mail-server, feel free to drop me a line (by e-mail, please). Ate Brink (ate@cs.ruu.nl) Moderator of the Atari archive at the Utrecht university -- Ate Brink, Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands Telephone: +31-30-534408 Email: ate@cs.ruu.nl ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 10:37:25 GMT From: mcsun!unido!ira.uka.de!uka!namu01.gwdg.de!pressler@uunet.uu.net (Lutz Pressler) Subject: Rufus 1.06 & sz To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <5613@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris (G.M.)) writes: [deleted] I was trying to say that I can't get rufus to run as an accessory: i.e rufus.acc bombs. Is it because I have Tos 1.0? -- _-_|\ marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris)|ph:+61 7 365 2908 / B <--+ Department of Computer Science :fx:+61 7 365 1999 \_.-._/ | University of Queensland, St.Lucia v +--Brisbane, Queensland, 4072 AUSTRALIA (The Sub-Tropics) No, THIS version of Rufus 1.06 bombs as ACC with TOS 1.04 (1.4), too, I'm afraid. I don't have an official 1.06 (if there is one) or 1.10 though. Lutz. -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + Lutz Pressler E-mail: pressler@namu01.gwdg.de + + Kreuzburger Strasse 11 lpressl@vax.gwdg.de + + W-3400 Goettingen Bitnet: LPRESSL@DGOGWDG1 + + Fed. Rep. of GERMANY ( SPAN: ECD1::LINMPI::GWDGV1::LPRESSL ) + + Tel.: ([+49] [0]551) 7 70 01 78 + +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 17:55:20 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p itt.edu!slsst11@arizona.edu (Sharon L Skwara) Subject: Sozobon V2.0 crc fault?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Dec10.162151.2186@darwin.ntu.edu.au> topfm@darwin.ntu.edu.au writes: >I extracted the files for scsrc20 from comp.sources.atari > >They _all_ fail crc when UUDecoding > >Is it just me??? > >Rob. It MAY be that the files (it's a LZH file right?) are compacted with the newer LH5 method (so if you're using LHARC060 or LZH11321 or family, it won't work). I downloaded the files and believe had the same problem. Get a copy of LZH201D or family (by this, I mean, LZH 200, etc) - bet you it will work! slsst11 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 13:48:43 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ripolin!doucet@uunet.uu.net (Jean-Etienne Doucet) Subject: To Jerry McLaren about Spider To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu sorry to waste bandwidth for a personnal message, but: To Jerry McLAREN: I have problems with the e-mail address you gave me: mails can't help to bounce it seems... Maybe I fooled myself in recording your address ? However, Spider V1.4 is now ready and all bugs about undoing moves seem to have disappeared. I've modified the scoring rules and that makes the game a little trickier to pass a 996 pts score... The docs and entry panel are under reconstruction, so I'll only send you the game, for the time being. I'll also send you another game (same style) I wrote in September and that i've dropped when I've discoverd Spider... The name is Mariant. I don't think that I'll upload Spider 1.4 neither Mariant V1.1 to a.a. due to the poor (null indeed!) response... JED. Jean-Etienne DOUCET LAAS-CNRS, Toulouse, FRANCE. doucet@laas.laas.fr ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 19:04:46 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oa r.net!yfn.ysu.edu!ysub!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!zwq017@arizona.edu (Bjarne Pohlers) Subject: Tos 1.2 -> 1.4, should I do it? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <18970@ucrmath.ucr.edu>, elvis@watnxt1.ucr.edu (Andrew Cullum) says: > > Over the last couple of weeks I've been considering upgrading from Tos 1.2 >to >1.4. Unfortunately, I don't really know what 1.4 adds. [...] [...] I've also wondered if I'd be better off waiting >to see if 2.X is ever made available for plain old 1040 ST's. Have any of you >heard anything about this? Any advice would be appreciated. TOS 2.06 is availible for all ST's. You have to add extra hardware, because the new PROMS are larger. In Germany TOS 2.06 costs 198.--DM (including hardware and PROMs). This was also the price for TOS1.04 when it was new (just for the PROMs). -- !"$%&/);=?!-.'" " Bjarne Pohlers Fast address: & \ Slow address: Asbeckweg 15 | W-4400 Muenster | Germany \ & Phone number: (xx49)251-866559 " ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1991 07:48:30 PST From: sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com Subject: TOS 1.4 Double-click fix patch (Was: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #650) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu, J.M.Williams@med.utas.edu.au John, I think there is a patch around somewhere. I recently obtained a magazine with a disk containing a TOS1.4 Double-click fixer patch, but the disk didn't work. I'm sure someone out there knows of a patch available to you. -Steve %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% INET:as384@cleveland.freenet.edu | Rank Xerox Ltd, sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com | Workstation Software Group, XEROX CIN: SGoldthorpe:wgc-e:rx | Systems Products Integration & TEL: +44 707 382350 | Development, Welwyn Hall, XEROX INTELNET: 8*668-2350 | Bessemer Rd, Welwyn Garden City, MESG TOOL: 15556.25220325363.0 | HERTS. AL7 1BL ENGLAND %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 91 09:50:07 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!sersun1!essex.ac.uk!woocm@uunet.uu.net (Wood C M) Subject: Unmsa'ing 800K+ files on 1Meg 1Drive system. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Atari Netters, I don't know whether this will be of any interest to anyone or not. But i'm sure that i remember a discussion about the problems of unmsa'ing large (800K+) files on a machine with 1Meg and one DS drive. I found that by using FCOPYIII.PRG with it set to 82 tracks and 10 sectors per track I could format a PC readable disk large enough to get the file from my u*ix box to my atari. Once there I used HRAMDSK2.PRG to create a ram disk of 840K on drive d. I loaded the msa file into the ram disk, why not! And used the old MSA.PRG to de'msa it. I hope this is of use to someone! C. W. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Wood, |Pretentious Quote: "Uzi Nine Millimetre" | University Of Essex. | (Shakespeare) | woocm@essex.ac.uk |Disclaimer: I never wear fluffy pink slippers.| ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************