Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 4 Dec 91 Volume 91 : Issue 637 Today's Topics: Atari's Cartridge port??? Atari Hardware for sale Atari ST DEAD ? (2 msgs) Atari ST games for sale BEST phone number WANTED Calling all Radio Stations Dungeon Master - help Flow Chart Compiler, Anyone Interested?? gnuemacs HELP: Mouse is flaky. Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #549 Microsoft mice (mouse?) overscan on GCR? PC Ditto II For Sale Problems with (NOT FSM, but AMC-)GDos. ST book TeX shells? TT prices (4 msgs) Where can I get FSM-GDos? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Dec 91 02:40:52 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!darwin.ntu.edu.au!topfm@ames.arpa Subject: Atari's Cartridge port??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Can any-one help me with this. Looking at the cartridge port of the ST i can find 16 data connections but only 15 addresses. I want to be able to both read and write to the cartridge port. Also I can find no reference to the speed of the cartridge port. Rob. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 16:25:58 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!jupiter!morgan .ucs.mun.ca!garfield!carlos@ames.arpa (Carlos Borges) Subject: Atari Hardware for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu FOR SALE --- ---- 1) Atari 1040STE computer system $400.00 2.5 Megs of Ram, 4096 colour palette, stereo sound internal 3.5" floppy drive, MIDI ports, mouse, TOS 1.6, etc. 2) Atari SC1224 Colour Monitor $250.00 3) Atari SM124 Monochrome Monitor $150.00 1, 2, and 3 (as a package), $700.00 + S/H + COD (if applicable). I will only sell the monitors seperately if I sell the computer first. I'm open to lower offers, etc. -- /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // C. Miguel Borges A.K.A. Carlos M. Borges // // an630@cleveland.freenet.edu carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca // /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 20:31:38 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.u iowa.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!engr.uark.edu!uafhp.uark.edu!lwebb@arizona.edu (Lonnie Webb) Subject: Atari ST DEAD ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu mpnolan@vax1.tcd.ie writes: >In article <1991Dec3.071358.3354@milton.u.washington.edu>, tlk@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeremy C. Norberg) writes: >> In article <1991Dec3.141309.163706@dstos3.dsto.oz.au> rws@dstos3.dsto.oz.au writes: >>> >>>..and you can plug a cheap 640*400 mono monitor into the standard box and use >>>it for workable DTP. (look, no flicker.) >>> >>>Russell. >> >> Aye, this is true, BUT if the ST had interlace mode, I have a feeling that >> you would be one that would brag about your 'computer' being able to display >> high res on a low res monitor! >> >> I suppose you do feel most at home on a monochrome ST. Hey! That's only TWO >> colors LESS than your lame medium resolution is able to display! > >This is not atari.st.flame!!!!!! > >I cant understand why people write in to our newsgroup just to >tell us that our computers are crap!! >The guy doesn't even own a ST!! > >Does anybody find this stuff interesting? > >I like my ST, and made the chioce to buy one 2 years ago. >I dont want some dolt to tell me that his computer has better graphics, >better sound or more custom chips. This newsgroup is for atari owners >where they discuss and swap ideas and rumours, not where >they have to put up with some kid tring to 'get one up' on us, so he >can tell his mates, and have a laugh at the flame he causes! > >I'm sure atari users would take constructive critisim from people >who know what they're talking about, or own an ST, not some >guy from a different group of computer users who blurts on >about how great his is, and how bad and old mine is. > >Thats all I have to say on this subject. >I'm sure it will happen again. > >Children must have their fun..... > > .____________________________________. Hear, hear! I get a lot off 'that other computer' but it's always from people that have NEVER achieved anything interesting as computerists or programmers. I program both machines, and I'm a lot happier going home to my old ST(1985). Do you know any models of 'the other computer' worth keeping that long? I know I don't do it for PITY! Lonnie Webb ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 91 15:56:25 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!fang!dstos3.dsto.oz .au!rws@uunet.uu.net Subject: Atari ST DEAD ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Dec3.071358.3354@milton.u.washington.edu>, tlk@hardy.u.washington.edu (Jeremy C. Norberg) writes: >> >>..and you can plug a cheap 640*400 mono monitor into the standard box and use >>it for workable DTP. (look, no flicker.) >> >>Russell. > > Aye, this is true, BUT if the ST had interlace mode, I have a feeling that > you would be one that would brag about your 'computer' being able to display > high res on a low res monitor! > > I suppose you do feel most at home on a monochrome ST. Hey! That's only TWO > colors LESS than your lame medium resolution is able to display! Tee hee. I don't even have an ST I'm just stating some facts. Interlace mode is no substitute for a good mono 640*400 when doing DTP or WP. Yes, I know you can get flicker fixers and all that stuff for Amigas but I did say "the standard box" didn't I? I like amigas as well, and no I don't own one, but come on both machines have strengths. Russell. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 16:18:17 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!yale.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!jupiter!morgan .ucs.mun.ca!garfield!carlos@ames.arpa (Carlos Borges) Subject: Atari ST games for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Atari ST(or STe) games for sale: Warship SSI $10.00 Fire Brigade SSI $15.00 Red Lightening SSI $15.00 Omega Origin $20.00 Sim City Maxis $20.00 Populous Bullfrog$20.00 Falcon Mission disks # 1 & # 2, $10 each, or $15.00 both. These all work on my machine, a 1040STe. No garauntee they will work on yours, however. I'm in Canada, so I will pay shipping to anyone in Canada myself. I am willing to send to anywhere else for a couple of dollars more. -- /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// // C. Miguel Borges A.K.A. Carlos M. Borges // // an630@cleveland.freenet.edu carlos@garfield.cs.mun.ca // /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 22:22:22 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!vice!keithr@uunet.uu.net (U.D.M.) Subject: BEST phone number WANTED To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am trying to get Best Electronics phone number. Does someone have it who wouldn't mind e-mailing or posting it to/for me? Thanks! Keith keithr@icogem3.ICO.TEK.COM ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 91 02:43:33 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!darwin.ntu.edu.au!topfm@ames.arpa Subject: Calling all Radio Stations To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I couldnt think which area to post this into so i chose this one. Are there any Radio Stations using this network.. Rob Topfm@darwin.ntu.edu.AU ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 14:44:16 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!mks.com!ant@arizona.edu (Anthony Howe) Subject: Dungeon Master - help To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm stuck. Frustrated. Can somebody help me? Level 6 - the level with the "Riddle Room". I'm caught in a corridor where a trigger closes the door behind me and none of the three keys I have will open the other door at the end of the hall. There is a side corridor that has a grate and transport field that alternates off and on. I manage to open the grate with a ZO spell but can't get by the field. Is there a switch to turn this field off? Or maybe a spell to allow me to run faster, or some magic item I'm suppose to have? If some kind soul could send me a clue to this section I would be very happy this Xmas. I would try and download help files from BART but BART never seems to return my mail and we don't have FTP access from our site. - ant -- ant@mks.com Anthony C Howe Mortice Kern Systems Inc. 35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2J 6W9 "Fate favors fools, small children, and ships named Enterprise" - Riker ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 21:00:42 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!usc!trwind!venice!sleepy!mfallero@arizona.edu Subject: Flow Chart Compiler, Anyone Interested?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am thinking of posting a flow chart compiler that I've been working on. If there is enough interest, I'll post it to atari.archive.umich.edu. Let me tell you a little about it: The compiler accepts a flow chart langauge ASCII file as input. I designed the flow chart language and it's called the Flowchart Design Language (FDL). The language is similar to pseudo-code and very natural. It is compiled and the flow chart blocks are displayed in a scrollable GEM window. The compiler was built to aid in the design of modular programs and will display a module complexity metric as it compiles modules. The complexity max is 15 (a very complex module in my opinion). The output can be printed to a GEMINI 10X printer or compatible. Sorry, I only have a GEMINI 10X and couldn't test the program on another printer. If enough interest is shown, I can change the program to read various printer drivers. There are display/print output options; output only one module in a program, or a range of pages within a module, or all pages. An editor can be Pexec'd from the program for the creation of flow chart source files. I've tested the Mark Williams MicroEmacs and also Daniel Lawrence's EMACS 3.10 and they work fine. There are also on-line help screens. However, the docs for this are taking a lot of my time and I'd rather not spend the effort if no one is interested. Also, I'd like this to be a shareware program because I think it is useful and would appreciate some reward for all of the time I've expended in it's creation. Let me know... Mark Falleroni 1029E. 4750S. Ogden, Utah 84403 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 19:51:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.e du!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!cbnewse!hofmann@arizona.edu (james.r.hofmann) Subject: gnuemacs To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is anyone using JRD's port of gnuemacs, version 18.55, with a large screen terminal? I have a moniterm, and this version uses just the upper left quarter of the screen. This version does not use a termcap, so the number of lines and columns must be hardwired somewhere, but where? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Jim Hofmann AT&T Bell Laboratories Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 91 04:47:57 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.claremont.edu!jarthur.claremont.edu!cliu@ariz ona.edu (Corey Liu) Subject: HELP: Mouse is flaky. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu My original ST mouse (1988) is acting flaky. The pointer will only move down when I direct it upwards or downward. Right/left motion is fine. I've noticed a gradual decay of its behavior over the past week where it would move the pointer only down sometimes, but now it seems stuck in the downwards mode. Is anybody familiar with this problem? Is it just the untimely death of my ST mouse? Is it a virus? If it's the mouse, can it be fixed easily? If not, any suggestions/prices on a new one? I hear that Golden Image makes a nice one. How about the new STe/TT mice? Cost is a major consideration, performance is secondary. If it's a virus, are there any tried and true methods to nuke it? Thanks for any help that can be offered! Corey ---------------------------------------------------------- "This must be the place I waited years to leave." - P.S.B. Corey Liu (__) cliu@jarthur.claremont.edu Harvey Mudd College |oo| cliu@jarthur.uucp Claremont, CA \/--Moo! cliu@jarthur.bitnet ---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1991 18:15 GMT +0100 From: RITZERT@mzdmza.zdv.uni-mainz.de Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #549 To: Info-Atari16%naucse.cse.nau.EDU@vm.gmd.de unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 21:18:32 GMT From: pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!newoa.enet.dec.com!bailey@decwrl.dec.com (newoa::bailey) Subject: Microsoft mice (mouse?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Anyone know if you can use a standard Microsoft serial mouse in an Atari and/or an Amiga Ta Peter Bailey ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 19:44:52 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio -state.edu!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!firenze!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro) Subject: overscan on GCR? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know if overscan (in any of its incarnations) will work with Spectre GCR? This is for a 1040STf, by the way. --Bill ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 20:48:07 GMT From: olivea!isc-br!techpub3!lawrence@ames.arpa (Lawrence Kelley) Subject: PC Ditto II For Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For Sale: PC Ditto II - $75.00(U.S.) This is a printed circuit board that attaches via a cable and clip to the 68000 chip of the ST and lets you run MS-DOS software. Includes the PCB, cabling, clip, and all software. I'll throw in PC Ditto I software and manual since PC Ditto II came without a manual. This board is no longer manufactured and as far as I know, the manufacturer, Avant Garde, is out of business. However, I used it for about 10 months and had very little trouble. I am selling it because I have a 80286 PC and no longer use the ditto. (The ST goes up for sale next.) Terms: As is. Cash or money order - buyer pays shipping. I can be reached at (509) 927-5600 (7:00-4:00 PDT M-F) or send e-mail to lawrence@techpub3.isc-br.com -- **************************************************************************** The opinions expressed herein are purely fictional. Any resemblence to real opinions, mine or anyone else's is strictly coincendental. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 19:37:07 GMT From: noao!asuvax!gatech!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!rusmv1!news.uni-ulm.de!news@ar izona.edu (Joerg Ballschmiter) Subject: Problems with (NOT FSM, but AMC-)GDos. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi! I am using AMC-GDos, and it works fine, but I have one problem: the printout with a NEC P6 has horizontal white stripes, obviously because the printer feeds the paper a few milimeters too much. How can I solve this problem? Thanks in advance, Joe. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ! Bitnet: ccc_ball@dulruu51.bitnet Internet: ccc_ball@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de ! ! Joerg Ballschmiter Gartenhalde 68 D-7900 ULM-Maehringen GERMANY ! ! Chaos Computer Club ULM ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ Alle Menschen sind Auslaender - Fast ueberall.... / \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 04:38:49 GMT From: kodak!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chinet!saj@cs.rochester.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: ST book To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I played with the Book a bit in Chicago. I'll agree with everyone else that the display is remarkably good. People whio had used them for awhile seemed to be able to use the pointing device easily, but it sure felt strange tp me. Pricing was publicly discussed, with something in the general ballpark of $2000 being representative (a 'Portfolio Book' was also talked about, but I only have that third-hand. About 50% more expensive. MS-DOS). There was definite talk about having the Book in retail channels by January, but since they clearly didn't have warehouses full of them NOW, I think an extra month would be a good guess. Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 19:22:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!rusmv1 !news.uni-ulm.de!news@arizona.edu (Joerg Ballschmiter) Subject: TeX shells? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <722@olymp.informatik.uni-bonn.de> volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de writes: > In article sternin@physics.ubc.ca (Edward Sternin (Bloom 91/09/04)) writes: > >Hi. Does anyone know about a decent shell to run TeX/LaTeX/Showdvi/?? > Yes, in Germany there is a Public Domain TeX Shell, which comes with the PD TeX System (10 Discs). It does its business well, but its in german. But modyfying the Menues should be no problem with a RCS. I could send you the Shell by mail. -Joe. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ! Bitnet: ccc_ball@dulruu51.bitnet Internet: ccc_ball@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de ! ! Joerg Ballschmiter Gartenhalde 68 D-7900 ULM-Maehringen GERMANY ! ! Chaos Computer Club ULM ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ Alle Menschen sind Auslaender - Fast ueberall.... / \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 91 22:28:51 GMT From: noao!ncar!unmvax!uokmax!d.cs.okstate.edu!cummins@arizona.edu (John Cummins) Subject: TT prices To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu s_grunwa@irau29.ira.uka.de (Knut Grunwald) writes: > >May be the USA Users should make a collected order here in Germany. >This was (and is) the way to get equipment not sold here. > If tos 2.06 (3.06???) were sold in English... I'd snap it up! I'd even offer to Import a few dozen copies, if anyone wanted 'em besides me..... jc John cummins cummins@d.cs.okstate.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 05:19:23 GMT From: kodak!ispd-newsserver!laidbak!tellab5!chinet!saj@cs.rochester.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: TT prices To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Contrary to what Richard Covert said in the article this is a reply to, as of the show in Chicago 10 days ago Atari US said TOS 2.06 was on schedule for US release in early January, that both the Atari label CD ROM drive and provisions for connecting most other SCSI CD ROMs to the ST were nearing release, and that US developers who had shown special need were already able to buy ASV set-ups. FSM GDOS, which he had previously accused of being mythical, could be seen running in several places. He should know better. Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 19:59:23 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!slxsys!ibmpcug!demon!news@uunet.uu.net (Iain Laskey) Subject: TT prices To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have heard that the CDROM was available in Germany. What software is there for it? WHilst in the UK we do a lot better than the US, we too get missed out on a lot of Atari Hardware. ############################### # Iain R Laskey # # ilaskey@cix.compulink.co.uk # ############################### ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 91 00:22:08 GMT From: agate!spool.mu.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!jonh.wimsey.bc.ca!jh enders@ames.arpa (John Henders) Subject: TT prices To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <1991Dec4.051923.22955@chinet.chi.il.us>, Stephen Jacobs writes: >Contrary to what Richard Covert said in the article this is a reply to, as of >the show in Chicago 10 days ago Atari US said TOS 2.06 was on schedule for >US release in early January, that both the Atari label CD ROM drive and >provisions for connecting most other SCSI CD ROMs to the ST were nearing >release, and that US developers who had shown special need were already able >to buy ASV set-ups. FSM GDOS, which he had previously accused of being >mythical, could be seen running in several places. He should know better. Latest update on CD ROM drives. On GEnie, Bob Brodie said Atari has dropped plans on producing their own drive. They can't compete with third party drives. However, the good news is that they will release MetaDos, the CD ROM driver, as freeware. I've heard ICD is also working on a driver for their host adapters, so soon we'll be able to use them. -- John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca MIND over MIDI Productions or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders Vancouver,B.C ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 91 19:31:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!darwin.su ra.net!Sirius.dfn.de!rusmv1!news.uni-ulm.de!news@arizona.edu (Joerg Ballschmiter) Subject: Where can I get FSM-GDos? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi! Can anyone tell me where to get FSM-GDos in Germany, and if its really released yet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ! Bitnet: ccc_ball@dulruu51.bitnet Internet: ccc_ball@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de ! ! Joerg Ballschmiter Gartenhalde 68 D-7900 ULM-Maehringen GERMANY ! ! Chaos Computer Club ULM ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \ Alle Menschen sind Auslaender - Fast ueberall.... / \-------------------------------------------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************