Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 26 Nov 91 Volume 91 : Issue 619 Today's Topics: *CHEAP* memory upgrade? Atari Chicago Show...if you want details Mail me. Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there? (3 msgs) Binkley 3.0 Binkley ST ? CS_TeX Update GEM multitasking under MiNT? HD-Disks on ST was RE:WD1772 IC How do I change a floppy serial number? How good is Hippo C ???? Message to Julian Bean Mint boots Gem from wrong drive MULTITASKING OXYD, OXYD2, SPACOLA and TOS country Somebody's windowing system Spectrum 512........ STACY 4 WANTED! Gear for sale/trade! Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Nov 91 22:00:35 GMT From: hpl-opus!hpnmdla!hpsad!randyh@hplabs.hp.com (Randy Hosler) Subject: *CHEAP* memory upgrade? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A couple months back I saw a note about a real cheap memory upgrade board that was advertized in Current Notes. It cost about $45. Has anyone tried it? I would like any information I can get. Thanks, Randy (cheapskate net user ;-) Hosler ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 19:06:33 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.pri mate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter) Subject: Atari Chicago Show...if you want details Mail me. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Nov25.043247.3286@cs.wayne.edu> pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes: >I just got back from the ATARI show in Chicago,; got to see the Atari >Unix box up close and personal. Let me tell you; IT IS REAL PRETTY! >I have a few questions for any owners of this machine out there, and >would appreciate corresponding with you about developing X applications >on this machine. Please email me either here or at the GENIE address >below. Thanks in advance. > >-- >Genie - P.HAGGOOD2 Internet -pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu >PRODIGY - Not anymore, Jackson. Bitnet - phaggoo@waynest1 >Phone - (313) 577-0669 >Voice - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!" Well, the UNIX was rather interesting. I say I WAS AGHAST Atari was there in such STAFF NUMBERS... When I seen the Unix, I thought another machine was running it! But, it appears that they do have a beta version with X, along with Atari's own version of a widget toolset, for user interface construction and rapid prototyping. It looked complete, but it was a BIT slow. I don't think a TT is something you would want to run X on for serious applications... Now if someone made an accelerator, with a 40Mhz, or 50Mhz 030 it would probably be fine. (MR. SMALL incidentally couldn't make it... rumor has it he had a cold...flu bug. I hope your feeling better Dave.) They also were showing a VME card for ethernet..which would cost $350.00 for developers I think. They also were showing a 24 bit color VME card, which looked promising for about $799.00 for TT/MEga STE's. All these cards were interesting, but can YOU BUY THEM. ??? Atari says YES, I say NO. I bought Multi-GEM 1.02 which seemed to have matured a little bit since the DOGGY 1.0 version that I had seen. Unfortuneately, my software doesn't work with MultiGEM, which made me sort of depressed as its just yet another environment to support...and it looks like its HERE TO STAY. (I also have to add GEM calls to my nice CLEAN TOS code...ICKY UCKY OOOO.) (Kiss portability GOOD BYE...Smooch) Many people bought many copies of this product...it went like HOT CAKES, and the upgrade policy is second to NONE. But I suppose thats because its a European Company...(Remik Enterprises). I am always impressed with German/UK Software developers. Hard Working folks they ARE. As soon as I DISECT Multi GEM, I'll give a more technical review of the product and whether or not in my opinion we should bother with it. And perhaps some things too look out for in supporting TWO Multitasking Pre-emptive systems for the ST...Get out your Turbo Debuggers people... (ie MiNT better alternative...????) I was not impressed with what Atari had to say, its simply more BS to me, but I was impressed about how they seemed to have EVERYONE there of importance and, they seem to have gotten a public image face lift..since the NIel Harris days. I found that interesting. The Notebook. What can I say about it? Its interesting, the display is nice, not great but nice. The form factor is very good. Would I buy one though? Probably not, its neato. But the business software for the ST is very poor, so I would recommend a DOS notebook. Who would use something like this? It would be GREAT for students...do your CS homework ANYWHERE you want (Turbo C). It may be good for limited use as a word processor. I didn't get a chance, but IT MIGHT be a good MAC portable with a redesigned GCR specifically for it. I might buy one if I could use it for Mac portability. (Then of course you open up the business oportunities and some serious possibilities...) Its a great What if...product though. Let me see, who else was there? Gosh TONS of Lynx games comming out people. I almost bought a Lynx, the new one with sound. Appearently, the old Lynx is better designed, structurally...but not as efficient with power as the new Lynx's, with stereo sound. So you should get a little extra more battery life out of your latest model Lynx...and of course the newer Lynx's have the ability for you power down the backlighting, to save energy. Too many games to list comming out, but everyone WON'T be disappointed though. Atari's game machine. Its suppose to be 32-64 bit game system. Probably cost between $200.00-$275.00, and is suppose to set the video game industry on ear....look for it around April, or March next year. Mmmmm....well, we shall see...or maybe we won't! What was really fascinating was a new word processing program, that was clearly a new paradigm shift completely in how we should edit and look at text on the screen. It was very fast too. You could grab words and whole blocks of text and simply interactively, move them two any position you liked....I am at work, and don't have the flyer handy, but if your interested write me and I will fill you in. Defineately gets the most innovative award for new product. No 030 vendors at the show. This was a BIG disappointment. Obviously the hardware upgrade market, is very limiting on the ST..only two vendors to choose from for 32 bit processor upgrades, and none of them offer a 040 alternative...thats really gonna hurt Atari UNIX. Yours truly won an XE Game system as a door prize. I wasn't overjoyed, mainly because they were selling them in DROVES for $25 bucks a package. I think the factory that made those probably exploded somewhere and thats why they have some many of them to sell so cheaply..and give away. Well, all in all a rather interesting show. Many more people were there. Lots of great deals on computer equipment at the swap floor, and vendors were selling tons of software for $5-$2000 range...I think most of them were laughing all the way to the bank. Best Electronics was there with lots of nice deals...(Could buy a replacement chip though for my Mega STE's VIDEO and sound problems though...)... Atari was there in full force, they supported vendors probably for the first time with any kind of machine requirements they needed. VERY UNUSUAL show. I enjoyed it very much. Look forward to the next one! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg Carter - Undergraduate - United States Amatuer Wrestler (149.5) ONLY 8 months to go for State tournee - Kick Butt Time! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Employed: Computer Aided Engineering Center - University Wisconsin - Madison Major: Computer Science - Emphasis: System Design Tools, User Interfaces Phone Home: (608) 264-3622 - Work: (608) 262-5349 Employed: Atari Corporation Third Party Licensed Developer - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 10:20:43 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!mips!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!milano !cactus.org!covert@arizona.edu (Richard Covert) Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Nov25.043247.3286@cs.wayne.edu> pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes: >I just got back from the ATARI show in Chicago,; got to see the Atari >Unix box up close and personal. Let me tell you; IT IS REAL PRETTY! >I have a few questions for any owners of this machine out there, and >would appreciate corresponding with you about developing X applications >on this machine. Please email me either here or at the GENIE address >below. Thanks in advance. > >-- >Genie - P.HAGGOOD2 Internet -pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu >PRODIGY - Not anymore, Jackson. Bitnet - phaggoo@waynest1 >Phone - (313) 577-0669 >Voice - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!" I have developed under a half dozen different UNIX machines in the lasst ten years. All the way back to the original AT&T 3B2 when I worked at Bell Labs. I have to wonder just how serious a UNIX workstation is if it is from Atari. First, the TT is a bit underpowered seeing as how it is basically just a 16MHz 68030. Oh I know the CPU is running at 32MHz but the I/O buss is still 16MHz and UNIX is VERY I/O intensive (can you say disk swapping?). Also, their UNIX X Windows pack requires the $1,000 monochrome monitor as the native TT color resolutions aren't high enough to support decent X Windows. And Atari is shipping the GNU compilers, which while excellent are NOT commerically supported compilers. Try getting technical support if the compiler breaks and you don't have access to USENET. Do you want to spend your precious development time debugging your development tools or writing your project? Thats why you need professional, commerically supported compilers and debuggers. But hay, pay out the $6 to $8 grand that an Atari Sys V development system would cost. I would rather pay the same bucks and buy a Mac IIFX with Apple's A/UX. At least I know Apple will be around for awhile!! -- Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 14:09:26 GMT From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!timm@uunet.uu.net (Jan Timm) Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9939@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes: And Atari is shipping the GNU compilers, which while excellent are NOT commerically supported compilers. Try getting technical support if the compiler breaks and you don't have access to USENET. Do you want to spend your precious development time debugging your development tools or writing your project? Thats why you need professional, commerically supported compilers and debuggers. But hay, pay out the $6 to $8 grand that an Atari Sys V development system would cost. I would rather pay the same bucks and buy a Mac IIFX with Apple's A/UX. At least I know Apple will be around for awhile!! But on the other hand: You'll never get any GNU Software for your Max IIFX then :-) !!! Jan -- mail: Jan-G. Timm email: Jan.Timm@mpi-sb.mpg.de Sulzbachstr.1 timm@cs.uni-sb.de D-6600 Saarbruecken West-Germany ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 14:15:28 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!rusmv1!ttinfo@ar izona.edu (Markus Wenzel) Subject: Atari Sys 5 Unix- any owners out there? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9939@cactus.org> covert@cactus.org (Richard Covert) writes: > >First, the TT is a bit underpowered seeing as how it is basically just >a 16MHz 68030. Oh I know the CPU is running at 32MHz but the I/O buss >is still 16MHz and UNIX is VERY I/O intensive (can you say disk swapping?). Think of other possible Unix computers at the same price, and then you would not find the TT underpowered. I would never give my TT away for a 386 or 486 clone or a low cost Mac. Macs with the same performance are three times as expensive. >But hay, pay out the $6 to $8 grand that an Atari Sys V development >system would cost. I would rather pay the same bucks and buy a Mac IIFX >with Apple's A/UX. At least I know Apple will be around for awhile!! I don't know where you can buy a IIfx for the same price as an ASV development system. Maybe there are some differences between Germany and the USA, but out here the IIfx costs twice as much. But keep your hands off A/UX, Version 2.x is simply unbearable, and the 3.0 version I saw a few days ago crashed as often as System 7 :-) I wouldn't buy expensive computers like that if their OS is that buggy. Get ASV, if you can - me, I can't! Markus. * /dev/ Markus Wenzel, University of Stuttgart * * /usr/spool/mail/ wenzel@rus.uni-stuttgart.de * * /usr/voice/private/ +49 (0)7159 18201 * * /bin/ps -l TT admin on rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de * * /etc/motd >> We'll meet in /dev/null ...8-) << * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 10:00:44 CET From: Jan Kriesten Subject: Binkley 3.0 To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello - esp. Steven Green! It's nice to hear that Binkley 3.0 is coming up soon. I just like Binkley and would like it if you can tell me when finished the new release. I'm engaged to the fidonet, too. Just tell me to which node I can mail to you! I've known it for a long time - MS-DOS-Computer are ... :-)) ! Jan ;-)))) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 00:06:36 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!isc-br! ewu!caude@arizona.edu (Chuck Aude) Subject: Binkley ST ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <5357@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes: >I have heard Binkley ST (apparently it's a BBS program) is PD. > >If so, does anyone have a copy / comments on this software? BinkleyTerm is a front end mailer used with any BBS system to access networks based on FidoNet technology. It is widely used on both IBM and Atari systems, is PD and is currently undergoing a major upgrade. The current version for the IBM is 2.50 and the current version for the Atari is 2.41-beta15. Once the Atari version is completed it will be version 3.00. Both the IBM and Atari versions are DLable @ cyberSecT BBS (509)235-4875 and include over 200 pages of documentation. You may also FREQ them at 1:346/18.0 if you have access to a FidoNet linked BBS. Chuck Aude SysOp, cyberSecT BBS Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Binkley ST ? Summary: Expires: References: <5357@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> Sender: Reply-To: caude@cg2.edu (Chuck Aude) Followup-To: Distribution: Organization: Eastern Washington University, Cheney WA. Keywords: bbs In article <5357@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes: >I have heard Binkley ST (apparently it's a BBS program) is PD. > >If so, does anyone have a copy / comments on this software? BinkleyTerm is a front end mailer used with any BBS system to access networks based on FidoNet technology. It is widely used on both IBM and Atari systems, is PD and is currently undergoing a major upgrade. The current version for the IBM is 2.50 and the current version for the Atari is 2.41-beta15. Once the Atari version is completed it will be version 3.00. Both the IBM and Atari versions are DLable @ cyberSecT BBS (509)235-4875 and include over 200 pages of documentation. You may also FREQ them at 1:346/18.0 if you have access to a FidoNet linked BBS. Chuck Aude S ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 13:37:42 GMT From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!timm@uunet.uu.net (Jan Timm) Subject: CS_TeX Update To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes: In article <1991Nov07.134230.29393@cs.ruu.nl> piet@cs.ruu.nl (Piet van Oostrum) writes: | | Thanks. Wouldn't it be better if someone ata atari.archive merged these? No! Since then they would overflow a 720k floppy: -rw-r--r-- 1 ralph 237697 Nov 12 17:20 CS_210a.zoo -rw-r--r-- 1 ralph 604388 Nov 12 17:47 CS_210b.zoo I think the original author (Piet van Oostrum) meant to merge the update archives with the rest of the distribution. The contents of the update just replace some parts of the original distribution. Jan -- mail: Jan-G. Timm email: Jan.Timm@mpi-sb.mpg.de Sulzbachstr.1 timm@cs.uni-sb.de D-6600 Saarbruecken West-Germany ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 17:37:57 mez From: Michael Hohmuth Subject: GEM multitasking under MiNT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Karl Anders Oygard writes: > Having thought about making GEM programs multitask under MiNT, I came > to think of a slightly different approach to the problem. Instead of > trying to have GEM handle calls from several programs, one could write > a shell that catches all vdi calls etc. and takes care of it itself. > > This way, when a GEM program would try to open a window, the shell would > catch the call and open a window itself. This way, GEM would only see > one program and not get confused about it. > > [.....] > > Apart from that, you would have to write a shell similar to the one [ !! ] > that comes with MultiGem to redirect output from tos programs into [ !! ] > a window as well. [ !! ] > > [.....] > >Anyone want to have a go at it? Yes, there is one! I just had the same idea some days ago - and a part of the source text (assembler / c) is ready already. And - of course - this program (title for now: PRAX) will be (not public domain but) free. But there is a problem I encountered: I haven't found yet a way of handling the booted accessories (cause they are no real MiNT processes (I just do not know what they are from MiNT's point of view; they from time to time are called by AES which is called by the active process - so they always seem to be part of the active process). But I hope this will be solved soon (the simplest but also worst solution is to forbid accessories; another idea is to start a background process that cares for them). (By the way: Does anybody know in which cases AES switches from the current AES-process to another one? Only if a process calles one of the evnt_-routines?) However - is there anyboudy out there wanting to write a vt52 emulator shell (see the lines marked with [ !! ] above) ? It should be re-entrant (is that right spelled?) so that we could launch several processes using it with only one code copy kept in memory. Please -- you may ask me all questions concerning this project but none concerning the date of releasing the first distribution and none concerning my use of the English language (I'm just learning it...). That's all for today. Good bye. Michael Hohmuth internet: hohmuth@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de X.400: C=DE; A=dbp; P=TU-DRESDEN; OU=INFORMATIK; OU=serv1; S=hohmuth; ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 14:39:07 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ira.uka.de!irau l1!telematik.informatik.uni-karlsruhe.de!skrodzki@arizona.edu Subject: HD-Disks on ST was RE:WD1772 IC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu It also works without cooling the WD1772 down, but it must be a chip with the code WD 1772 02-02 others don't work properly, after you got this, what now? You should change the clock of the WD to 16Mhz when using a HD-Disk (of course you need a HD-Floppy, I'd prefer the TEAC FD235HF). Then You need a logic to change between 16 and 8 Mhz Clock depending on the state of the floppies HD-OUT-Signal. If You're interested in more a must look up the circuit at home before. Stephan ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 08:32:37 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.phy sics.uiowa.edu!moe.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu!news@arizona.edu (Kenneth W Samson) Subject: How do I change a floppy serial number? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am in search of a simple utility that will allow me to change the serial number of a disk to a value that I choose. Surely someone out there uses one. I am currently using a sector editor, and would like to know if there is utility to do the same in a safer manner. Thanks. Ken ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 10:13:59 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!milano!cactus.org!covert@uunet.uu.net (Richard Covert) Subject: How good is Hippo C ???? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <50740@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: >>Well COMPUTE! BOOKS have a few resonable Books for the Atari, even a C >>one from what I have heard.. > >>So there are Books available for the Atari.. > >More correctly, COMPUTE! Books *used to have* a few reasonable books for >the Atari... they've been discontinued. > >ABACUS used to have books for the Atari... they've been discontinued. > >Prentice-Hall used to have books for the Atari... they've been discontinued. > >Bantam Computer Books used to have books for the Atari... they've been >discontinued. > >Sybex used to have books for the Atari... they've been discontinued. > >(You begin to get the picture...? What's wrong with this picture..?) > >BobR Yes, and just whose fault is it that ALL of these books are both discontinued, out of print (at least here in the USA) AND hopelessly out of date anyway? Does Atari Corp mean anything? But look at how Apple Corp supports their users. I just saw another volume of the "Inside The Macintosh" series at my local bookstore the other day. A massive thing probably over 1,000. That is more then ALL of those out of print ST books combined. And it is just ONE volume in the Mac series. Now if Atari Corp would have released programmers/techincal notes like Apple Corp does now years ago maybe the ST wouldn't be so dead here in the USA. I get a big laugh out of the folks who buy the German Turbo C compiler, with its German only docs. They buy it here in the USA, and then say, well German dosc are OK, just go out and buy an AES/VDI programming book. Well good luck trying!! My Austin bookstores haven't carried ANY ST books since I moved here last Winter. So, Atari Corp has failed once more. In fact the only ST book still in print is Clayton Walthum's excellent book. But it is just a reprint of his outdate "ST Log" magazine articles of 4 years ago. Another example of the recent up-to-date techincal resources available to the ST programmer. Aghh, it is so disgusting!! The ST could have been soooo goooooddddd!! -- Richard E. Covert covert@cactus.org CACTUS ..!cs.utexas.edu!cactus.org!covert ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 91 10:59:55 GMT From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!ghiggins!gjh@hplabs.hp.com (Graham Higgins) Subject: Message to Julian Bean To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Apologies to usenetters for noise ... Julian, can do. My email reply to you bounced, so contact me via Royal Mail at Hewlett-Packard Labs, Filton Road, Stoke Gifford, Bristol BS12 6QZ. -- Graham Higgins << My opinions above are exactly that: my own, and opinions. >> ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 08:21:53 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!darwin.sura.net!Sirius.dfn.de!urmel!oli@arizon a.edu (Oliver Bonten) Subject: Mint boots Gem from wrong drive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu simonk@castle.ed.ac.uk (Simon Kinahan) writes: > If I remember rightly this is not MiNT's fault. I think GEM always >tries to get the ACCs etc from drive C: or A:. There is a program >usually distributed with the RDE ramdisk which fixes this Well, My HD-Driver does. I have Mint in the Auto-folder of G:, and when booting from G:, this Auto-folder is read, Mint executed as last prg. in it, then Accessories and Newdesk.inf are read from C:. This must be because Mint either resets something or does the booting itself. Oliver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 09:34:51 AST From: Alyre CHIASSON Subject: MULTITASKING To: N I am looking at some rather intensive database manipulations in 4 to 5 weeks time. Multitaking looks like it would be a good idea in my case for that particular job and others. However, does it slow down the system and if so is it proportional to the number of jobs you have running? . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 17:13 From: Roland Waldi Subject: OXYD, OXYD2, SPACOLA and TOS country To: Atari digest Since I -- as other people on this newsgroup -- could not figure out how to run OXYD, OXYD2 or SPACOLA on my ST 1040, I phoned the author Meinolf Schneider, and got the following information, which may be of interest to others, too: These games do not run on TOS-versions of countries, where the distribution of his books is not yet settled, like UK and France. If you have 2 Meg and boot a German disk-TOS, you can run them. greetings, RW ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 09:07:01 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!og icse!milton!mpark@arizona.edu (Michael Park) Subject: Somebody's windowing system To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu About a week ago, somebody (sorry, I don't recall the name) mentioned that he was trying to post a demo of a windowing system he had written. Does anyone know if he was successful? Has anyone taken a look at it? -- Ciao-abunga! +-------------------------------------+ Michael Park | This space intentionally left blank | mpark@u.washington.edu +-------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 91 15:10:33 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!warwick!kingpol!titan.kingston.ac.uk!cs_a237@uunet.uu.net Subject: Spectrum 512........ To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi ya, Any one out there know where I can get hold spectrum 512 pictures and utilities cs_a237@uk.ac.king.ux ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 91 17:55:28 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc .edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!tdkt!FredGate@arizona.edu (Chuck Zwicky) Subject: STACY 4 WANTED! Gear for sale/trade! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am looking for an ATARI STACY 4 computer, to buy or trade. I have a 4 MEG 1040 STe with an AdSpeed STe 16 Mhz accelerator, an ADVANTAGE ST SCSI interface and a 20 meg HD, and a monochrome monitor. I also have a number of MIDI gizmos (synths, modules, reverbs..etc) that I would be willing to trade. I also have a GREAT sequencing package for sale.... Dr.T's KCS LEVEL ll WITH 'The PHANTOM' SMPTE interface! (worth over $800, will sell for $400!!) and MUCH MUCH MORE! If you are interested in any of this, or if you know of a Stacy4, PLEASE CALL!.................................................... (612) 872-6698. * Origin: FlightLine BBS Mpls,MN SDNet DualStd (612)544-5118 (1:282/47.0) ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************