Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 12 Nov 91 Volume 91 : Issue 591 Today's Topics: 8mhz ST = 16mhz 386 A clarification ATARI MEGA 2 CS_TeX Update Help Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #588 Need help with MWC inline assembly New RCC Rules = Higher Telecomm Costs Scheme for atari SCSI tar (was Re: GNU Tar v1.10) Talk to me about TeX and Gemini. . . turn ST into X-terminal? UNIXMODE (was Re: GNU UTILITIES POSTED TO ATARI.ARCHIVE) Update: Atari Mega4 ST, ICD HD, Spectre GCR For Sale... Uploading to the VAX...I can't do it?! using less.ttp as the Neodesk pager WD1772 IC (2 msgs) Wordwriter ST / SLM 804 problems Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Nov 91 22:07:35 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!transfer!crackers!m2c!wpi.WPI.EDU!jdutka@ariz ona.edu (John Dutka) Subject: 8mhz ST = 16mhz 386 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In some benchmarks I ran on my 25 MHz 68030 based machine, it was slightly ahead of the 33 MHz 80386 DX in both dhrystones and MIPS. The same goes for a 25 MHz 68040 and a 33 MHz 80486... -- ***** John Dutka, Jr. ********** jdutka@wpi.wpi.edu ************************** Sometimes I worry about being a success in a mediocre world. -- Lily Tomlin ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 02:13:34 GMT From: ads.com!pdel@ames.arpa (Peter Delevoryas) Subject: A clarification To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I want to make this as short as possible, but I need to clear the air. I bought (with cash) a game from someone through the net. He sent me the disks and manual. Someone thought I ftp'd (or other) it, creating an illegal copy. We then started a 3-ring circus of accusations/misunderstandings. We have all reconciled our differences ( I hope). I'm happy. I got the game working. He has my check. The other guy (remember there were 3 of us) apologized. Moral of story: People make mistakes. Lessons learned: People are human. We now get back to regular programming. Peter D. -- login name: L1-A In real life: Peter Delevoryas In any other life: a cheap imitation ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 91 21:02:12 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!tulane!rouge!jcl7452@arizona.edu (Lynch James C) Subject: ATARI MEGA 2 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Since I didn't receive any offers on my complete system, I'll take offers for the following items individually. ATARI MEGA 2 - new internal 720k floppy SC1224 color monitor Golden image mouse ATARI SMM804 dot matrix printer (paper won't advance. used to work great but not any more. I think I have 2 spare ribbons) SOFTWARE ( I Have manuals for the following items) Timeworks desktop publisher 1st word plus Masterplan (spreadsheet) Uniterm (latest version) GAMES: Gauntlet Dungeonmaster (i have a disk with maps also) Chessmaster 2000 Shanghai Leaderboard Golf STart disks - approx 32 disks dating from 1988 to Feb 1991. with magazines. Many utilities/games!!!! Current Notes magazine - approx last 2 years I'll consider any reasonable offers for the above items or if you are so inspired, make me an offer for everything. Jim Lynch (jcl7452@usl.edu) W: 318-231-5248 H: 318-235-2283 ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 91 16:53:54 GMT From: mcsun!unido!olymp!sfb256!volker@uunet.uu.net ( Volker A. Brandt ) Subject: CS_TeX Update To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <91314.172900PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET> PHR00JG@TECHNION.BITNET (Jacques J. Goldberg) writes: >As a TeX "veteran" (using it on various platforms since 1982), could I >suggest that version numbering respects or at least reminds the OFFICIAL >TeX version used? CS_TeX 2.10 is awfully confusing in 1991 (...) This is a valid point. There is a new version in the works that has a number of improvements (totally new shell, previewer in a GEM window etc) that I'm currently beta-testing. I'll ask Christoph to change his numbering scheme before the release of this new version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bitnet: UNM409@DBNRHRZ1 Volker A. Brandt UUCP: ...!unido!DBNRHRZ1.bitnet!unm409 Angewandte Mathematik Internet: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (Bonn, Germany) ------------------------------ Date: 13 Nov 91 00:31:26 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!aukuni.ac.nz!kcbbs!kc@arizona.ed u (Stuart Price) Subject: Help To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Haha is that a joke? Stuart Price Auckland, New Zealand Stuart_Price@kcbbs.gen.nz <--Usenet Address Stuart Price 3:772/90 <--Fidonet Address ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 91 18:18:36 CST From: Mike Dorman Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #588 To: Atari List To set the SX212 to auto-answer mode, you have to set S-register #1 to the number of rings you want it to pick up on (so ATS1=2, should do it). I'm 99% sure on it being register 1, but I could be wrong--it *IS* an s-register, though, so if S1 doesn't work, try some others. Mike. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 91 22:08:17 GMT From: jensen@cod.nosc.mil (Layne K. Jensen) Subject: Need help with MWC inline assembly To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I recently acquired a copy of Mark Williams C version 3.06. I have scoured the manual to find out how to include in-line assembly code in the C source program, but cannot find any references to it. Am I somehow missing the part of the manual that discusses it, or does the compiler not support in-line assembler? If you know how to do it or know that it isn't possible, I would appreciate hearing either way. Apologies if I have somehow missed the obvious. Layne Jensen jensen@nosc.MIL Naval Ocean Systems Center ...!sdcsvax!noscvax!jensen San Diego, CA -- Layne Jensen jensen@nosc.MIL Naval Ocean Systems Center ...!sdcsvax!noscvax!jensen San Diego, CA ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 00:27:15 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!li nac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro) Subject: New RCC Rules = Higher Telecomm Costs To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu |> >calls during the day. This drops to $0.03 per call at night. It sucks. They have |> >the nerve to print: "Volume discount saved you $0.22 this month\n" on my bill.... |> > |> >Bill |> |> And you have the nerve to criticise the various Bells for being self-serving |> while at the same time advocating that those of us who make a few calls a |> month should subsidize your unlimited calls by paying a flat rate. |> |> -- Scott Previously, everyone had the option of paying by the call. So that *no one* who made few calls had to subsidize those who made many. The flat rate was a simple way for people who made a lot of calls to pay. $5.50/month was enough to cover all the calls by all of these people. The move to charging for each call, then, was in the interest of increases revenues--it was not some great liberator. When combined with the other under-regulated policies of the phone company, it is infuriating. What other company do you know of that can charge you $65.00 just to start doing business with them? Only an under-regulated monopoly could ever try such a thing. --Bill ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 91 22:54:04 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!edcastle!simonk@uunet.uu.net (Simon Kinahan) Subject: Scheme for atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu mandel@forwiss.uni-passau.de (Luis Mandel) writes: >Does anybody know if there is an interpreter SCHEME public domain for ATARI ? >Many thanks Yes XSHEME available on lancs.pdsoft (sorry I don't know the numeric address but if you mail me I can find it out for you). This version has OOP extensions but also contains normal SCHEME as a subset. ============================================================================= simonk@castle.ed.ac.uk aka Simon Kinahan :-) Nerd and Proud of it (-: ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 91 15:55:34 GMT From: mcsun!unido!olymp!sfb256!volker@uunet.uu.net ( Volker A. Brandt ) Subject: SCSI tar (was Re: GNU Tar v1.10) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article alanh@logitek.co.uk (Alan Hourihane) writes: > Well, I've recompiled my port of GNU Tar v1.10 with patchlevel 14 of >the MiNT libraries and now it should support symbolic links when used with >MiNT v0.9. I've had no way to test this yet, so if anybody has problems, >please tell me about them. (...) > I've just laid my hands on Paul Moreau's code for accessing SCSI >tapes through Tar, so when I get chance I am going to incorporate it into >GNU Tar v1.10. You should consider to rewrite it or at least modify it. I have looked over Paul's code during the weekend and found a number of things that should be changed. No offense to Paul is intended, I'm happy to have his code to look at and learn from it. Unfortunately, the tar and driver work ONLY for Archive streamers in QIC24 mode. I couldn't get it to work with my Wangtek 5150 ES at all. At first I thought it would be enough to modify the resident driver, but there are device-dependent parts in the C code of the tar utility as well. I have not tried to compile the tar source for lack of time (and also since I don't have Mark Williams C -- I guess some changes for Turbo C are needed) so I can't tell you if it will work at all but I'm confident I'll get some- thing to work after all :-). Another thing bothers me: the driver is currently hooked into the BIOS trap, thus creating extra overhead for every BIOS call the system or a user program makes. I believe this is A Bad Thing. (Hello Allan P :-) Nowadays there are more ways to make a driver resident than a BIOS extension. I'm currently trying to decide between (a) using another trap (say, #6) for the interface, and (b) not using any trap but a function jump table pointed to by a cookie. Method (a) would allow us to use the same mechanism as BIOS and GEMDOS calls, but would require some housekeeping to check if the trap was in use etc. Method (b) makes the tape function look like part of the user program, thus one could pass parameters in registers etc. So I'm leaning towards (b) right now. What do people think? I like the idea of a modular driver that several tools (like tar, mt, cpio, dd etc) could use without having to cram all the SCSI I/O stuff into each binary. If we do it right lots of wheel-reinventing might be avoided. Let's agree on a standard and I'll implement it for Wangtek streamers. I've set Followup to comp.sys.atari.st.tech since I believe it's a technical topic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bitnet: UNM409@DBNRHRZ1 Volker A. Brandt UUCP: ...!unido!DBNRHRZ1.bitnet!unm409 Angewandte Mathematik Internet: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (Bonn, Germany) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 02:31:34 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!bgsuvax!jdemlow@arizona.edu (Thanatos) Subject: Talk to me about TeX and Gemini. . . To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Okay. . . First of all: How do I get Gemini to work with an english resource file? I read German, but I'd like my environment to be in my native language. . . Second: I just set up CS-TeX and it looks wonderful. My question is: I try to TeX a file and it says 'can't find PLAIN format file, create it!' So, I create it, the file PLAIN.inf goes in the proper place, but it still can't seem to find it. . . Ideas? If these are common questions, post a response. . . otherwise email to jdemlow@andy.bgsu.edu Thanks for your help. _______ / hanatos aka Jason Demlow ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 91 03:04:06 GMT From: milton!raven.alaska.edu!acad3.alaska.edu!ftkgr@beaver.cs.washington.edu (RICHARDS KENNETH G) Subject: turn ST into X-terminal? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is there any software (preferably PD) which can turn my old ST into an X-terminal? Thanks, Ken Richards ftkgr@acad3.alaska.edu ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 00:33:47 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!news-server.ecf!helios.physics.utoronto.ca !julian!uwovax.uwo.ca!7103_2622@arizona.edu (Eric Smith) Subject: UNIXMODE (was Re: GNU UTILITIES POSTED TO ATARI.ARCHIVE) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu OIn article , jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes: [ about the UNIXMODE environment variable ] > By default, bash will set it to "/.,rCLAHdb". > These characters mean: > [ descriptions deleted ] > The only ones you would every probably want to modify are "rC" to > select another file system as root and "d" if you use MiNT. MiNT > users will probably want to use the string "/.,rULAHb". If you're running with Minix partitions under MiNT, than UNIXMODE just gets in the way. You have to use some special options to turn it off -- MiNT users in such a situation will probably want to set UNIXMODE to "/cu". MiNT already has real symbolic and hard links on Minix partitions and on drive U:, and supports long case-sensitive file names -- hence the "c" (turn off case mapping) and "u" (don't try to stuff file names into 8.3 format). (Actually, MiNT users will probably want to forgo the tos port of bash and the file utilities entirely; Dave Gymer has ported bash 1.10 to MiNT (it will support MiNT job control and running background processes) and I ported the file utilities (which support MiNT 0.9's link(), symlink(), chmod(), chown(), chgrp(), and stat() calls). The only advantage of UNIXMODE right now is that it works on plain TOS disks; the disadvantage is that it doesn't do links properly on Minix or other kinds of disks (e.g. MiNT's drive U:) and it won't work with, say, a UNIXMODE MiNT file system for TOS disks.) > Note that programs compiled with > the MiNT libraries do not know about UNIXMODE. True. That was deliberate -- as I pointed out above, UNIXMODE just gets in the way of the features in the MiNT kernel. Actually, I rather think that UNIXMODE was the invention of a complete idiot (I can say that, since I'm only insulting myself :-) and an idea whose time has passed. I really, really wish that I hadn't invented it, or at least that I had made the default to be "absolutely no translation" instead of "mangle all the file names into upper case and truncate them to 8.3". The proper place for symbolic links or for special file name processing is in the kernel. I hear that Edgar Roeder has written a UNIXMODE trap#1 handler -- that's a good idea. And, of course, MiNT is in some sense the ultimate UNIXMODE trap#1 handler, except that I haven't gotten around to writing the UNIXMODE file system yet (there isn't much incentive for me, since I have several nice big Minix partitions). In principle, it shouldn't be hard, and it won't require a new version of MiNT since file systems are now loaded by MiNT at bootup time. That's one reason that I recommend using the MiNT libraries for programs now instead of the gcc libraries. The only filename translation that the MiNT lib. does is translating / to \ and vice-versa, and omitting the drive letter from getcwd() when it's done on drive U:. Everything else is left up to the kernel -- so if Atari ever decides to implement a nifty new case-preserving file system with long file names, its hands aren't tied (and even if Atari doesn't, Stephen Henson already has, in the form of minix.xfs for MiNT). Sorry for the long and somewhat rambling nature of this post. I hope also that it's clear that I lay the blame for the misfeatures of UNIXMODE on my own shoulders entirely, and I'm not trying to flame you or anyone else who chooses to use UNIXMODE; it is useful under (the present version of) TOS, but I generally think it was implemented in the wrong way. -- Eric R. Smith email: Dept. of Mathematics eric.smith@uwo.ca University of Western Ontario 7103_2622@uwovax.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 02:48:36 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!csus.e du!beach.csulb.edu!stevela@arizona.edu (Steve La) Subject: Update: Atari Mega4 ST, ICD HD, Spectre GCR For Sale... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Atari Mega4 ST complete system........................$ 975 obo * Jin mouse * Kraft Joystick (brand new) * Monitor Master switch box * Atari Monochrome monitor with stand * Stereo sound board installed * Software: Falcon, mission disk, Strider II, Dungeon Master, Shadow of the Beast, ST Control, dBMAN, Goldrunner, Tempus, Shadow background multitasker, Switch Back, King Quest I, II, III, Golden Path, Courier Command, Karate Kid II, Slaygon, Jupiter Probe, Tower Toppler, Sky Fox, Bloodwych, and much more Most software have original disks, boxes and manuals. I've designed an one-of-a-kind, dual, switchable TOS Operating System on ROMs (TOS 1.0 & TOS 1.4) with LED indicator. Very unique! Atari ST 85 Megabytes hard disk.......................$ 395 obo * ICD host adapter * 2 built-in fans * LED indicators * Seagate ST296n SCSI hard disk Spectre GCR Macintosh Emulator........................* SOLD * * complete with manual and disks * including Macintosh 128K ROMs * Original Macintosh System 6.0 disks * All necessary cables I will pay for all shipping costs. -Steve ___ _____ ____ _ _ ____ _ __ Steve La / ___) (_ _) | ___) | || | | ___) | | / \ Network Manager \__ \ | | | _)_ | || | | _)_ | |__ | || | stevela@csulb.edu (____/ |_| |____) \__/ |____) |____) |_||_| (213) 985-4750 CALSTATE UNIVERSITY LONG BEACH, 1250 Bellflower Blvd. Long Beach, CA 90840 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 00:43:07 GMT From: psinntp!ultb!ritvax.isc.rit.edu!JGM8260@uunet.uu.net Subject: Uploading to the VAX...I can't do it?! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I too have been unable to up/download from Rochester Institute of Technology's VAX system, despite making attempts with three or four different ZMODEM programs. I've had no problem with BBSes, however. I'm starting to wonder if there is some Atari-VAX interface problem when it comes to ZMODEM. I've found that Kermit works fine, but is too slow to attempt downloading anything large. Does anyone else have this problem with ZMODEM and VAX? -Joe Mitzen "RIT : A Wholly Owned Subsidary of the CIA" ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 01:05:13 GMT From: mintaka.lcs.mit.edu!wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu!entropy@yale.arpa (maximum entropy) Subject: using less.ttp as the Neodesk pager To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Nov9.152431.13117@cs.dal.ca> silvert@cs.dal.ca (Bill Silvert) writes: >In jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) writes: > >>>I still want the source to this guy > >>Unless I am confused, "less" is port of GNU. GNU stuff is available > >So far as I am aware, less has nothing to do with gnu. I don't know >where you can get ST sources, but the Unix code for version 1.77 is >available for ftp from biome.bio.ns.ca in pub/unix. GNU is currently distributing LESS as it will probably be the file pager used with the GNU operating system. So, you can get LESS at most sites that distribute GNU software, including prep.ai.mit.edu. I believe they are distributing it but not currently doing any work on it. Disclaimer: I do not work for GNU and I certainly don't speak for them. -- entropy@gnu.ai.mit.edu entropy. . .it's not just a good idea, it's the second law. Boycott AT&T, Lotus, Apple, Ashton-Tate and Xerox. Join the League for Programming Freedom! Write to league@prep.ai.mit.edu for more information. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Nov 91 22:55:18 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnu s.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!boulder!ucsu!spot.Colorado.EDU!jesinger@arizona.edu (Peter Jesinger) Subject: WD1772 IC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu JJMCWILL@MTUS5.BITNET (Jeff McWilliams) writes: >In article <1991Nov10.003913.384@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, >al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) says: >> >> >>Is there any way this chip could be "upgraded" to handle high density >>disk drives? >> >>I've seen high density mods for the ST, but there was always a catch... >>-- >From what I heard the best the 1772 can do is 720K or whatever can >be obtained from twister format etc. 1.44m upgrades will by necessity >include a different Floppy Controller. I have a 1772 in my ST which can do 1.44m (actually I have a 1.2 MB 5 1/4 drive connected to my ST). The only thing you have to do is to double the clock rate for your 1772. The problem is, that not all of them can handle with the double clock rate, the first I had couldn't after I exchanged it, the new one could. As I have heard, usually 1772-02-02 can handle with the double clock rate, the one I have now is of that type. -- Peter Jesinger (EMail: jesinger@spot.colorado.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 00:35:40 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.phy sics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!roma!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro) Subject: WD1772 IC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Nov11.225518.17589@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, jesinger@ucsu.colorado.edu (Peter Jesinger) writes: |> I have a 1772 in my ST which can do 1.44m (actually I have a 1.2 MB 5 1/4 |> drive connected to my ST). The only thing you have to do is to double the |> clock rate for your 1772. The problem is, that not all of them can handle When one performs such a modification, does s/he lose the ability to do 720K format? If so, what is the effect on emulators such as GCR or IBMulators? --Bill ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 91 05:36:18 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh. edu!bchs1k@arizona.edu (Edward S. Chen) Subject: Wordwriter ST / SLM 804 problems To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am trying to use my SLM804 in Diablo630 emulation mode on Wordwriter ST on a Mega2 system. After running Atari's Diablo emulation, and loading the Diablo630.cfg (in wordwriter), I can only print the first page correctly. All subsequent pages contain overstrike lines (ie: three lines are printed on top of each other), and stray characters. Any and all help would be much appreciated... bchs1k@menudo.uh.edu --Ed Chen -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .. I want you to lie on the bed, (and) get ready for my polygon ... --- Paul McCartney ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************