Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 24 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 550 Today's Topics: Atari Computer for sale! auto folder woes Batch Files? Cross-Assembler for 8048 ? Disk drives For sale:Atari STFM GENIE email (2 msgs) HardDrives Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #547 MiNT libraries: new version available Need donations for K-12 telecommunication project Panther & Jaguar. PD C compilers Quantum HD TOS upgrades TT ftp site (2 msgs) What is the 520STe? what types of joysticks work with 520ST? Where can I get toner? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Oct 91 05:30:49 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.edu!chuck@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Rickard; ACS (UGRAD)) Subject: Atari Computer for sale! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu FOR SALE: Atari 1040 ST $275 1 meg main system memory Internal 720K 3.5" disk drive TOS 1.4 Operating System ROMs Atari standard mouse (Japan) Has solder holes for Blitter on MB Atari SC 1224 Color monitor $200 Original super-sharp JVC model Surreal Systems Internal Clock (w/software) B/O Abacus Chartpak B/O If you buy the ST and monitor for $475, I'll throw in the clock, the Chartpak software, a printer cable, and a modem cable! If you have a trade in mind, then go ahead and ask. For now, I am looking for mostly IBM and generic stuff: SCSI Hard drives, laser printers, Roland MT-32 or LAPC-1, etc... Anyway, if you have an offer, then make it! The worst thing that can happen is that I'll say "No way!" I prefer email, but if you would rather call, you can reach me at (301) 521-0015. Thanks! -- Chuck Rickard (chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 03:50:35 GMT From: ubc-cs!alberta!aunro!ersys!mforget@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Michel Forget) Subject: auto folder woes To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes: > In article <1991Oct22.193645.16783@csam.lbl.gov> keithj@ux5.lbl.gov (Keith J > > In article <1991Oct17.081345.24836@wg.estec.nl> chris@wg.estec.nl writes: > > > > > > > > >I've got an atari 1040ST. I've managed to put something in my auto folder > > >the hard disk which hangs the machine. Is it possible to abort the auto fo > > >or boot with the hard disk off and still be able to access it once it's > > >switched on again? > > > > > >Any help would be appreciated. > > >Regards > > > > > > > > >Chris > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Chris Rouch chris@wg.este > > >Serco Space Ltd. Tel: +31 1719 8 > > >ESTEC, The Netherlands. Fax: +31 1719 8 > > > > > >Underfunded OAPs turn to a life of crime in the great cucumber roberies of > > > > > > > Chris, > > Your best bet is to insert a bootable floppy into your drive > > and turn your hard disk and ST on at the same time. The hard disk > > will not boot for at least 15 seconds, but in the meantime, your > > floppy will. At that point you should have some sort of desktop. > > The only procedure left is to run your harddisk's driver. This > > procedure should allow you access to your auto folder so that you > > may delete the offending program. > > Keith Groves > > One thing that I will suggest is go have a play with DC Format V3.2, > it has a feature to install small boot sector programs, one of these > is By_pass Hard Disk. > > I use this with my ICD utils installed on a floppy, Auto booting, for > these kind of problems. > > But there is another way, use Desk Manager or Super Boot, this will > allow you to get out of these situations as you can control the running > or programs in your Auto Folder.. > -- > *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** > *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** > *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** > *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** I have two suggestions: 1. To get out of your immediate problem, turn off your Hard Drive and boot the system with a floppy. After it is at the desktop, turn on your Hard Drive and let it get up to speed. Then run AHDI and you will be able to access your Hard Drive. This also works if you put a .ACC file in your ACC path and it messes you up. I don't reccommend doing this often, or at all really, unless you absolutely must. It might damage you r Hard Disk. I'm not sure. 2. If you can program, create a program that only has one function: rename. Then have it only become active when a shift key is held during the boot. Then you could have it ask you the source and new name. This is better than installing a large booter program like Superboot, and should only take up a few K. I hope this helps you out. << ------------------------------------------ >> << mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >> << ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >> << Michel Forget >> << "Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, >> << for they are not happy campers!" - UNKNOWN >> << ------------------------------------------ >> ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 91 14:53:53 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!cam-cl!cam-cl!qs101@uunet.uu.net (Quentin Stafford-Fraser) Subject: Batch Files? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu There is if you use a cli. (gulam, for example) I used to be very cynical about PCs and DOS until I used them non-stop for two years. Now I find the ST a bit limiting. ----------------------- Quentin Stafford-Fraser Cambridge University Computer Lab qs101@cl.cam.ac.uk Tel +44 223 334645 ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 12:29:32 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!seunet! mcsun!unido!pbinfo!jerry@arizona.edu (Gerald Siek) Subject: Cross-Assembler for 8048 ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello networld ! I'm looking for an cross-assembler for the 8048 microprocessor. Has anyone heard of such a program ? Regards, Jerry ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 11:12:52 GMT From: aahs.no!data3d@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Karl Anders 0ygard) Subject: Disk drives To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu How do I determine how many disk drives my ST has? Setting the active drive will return the drive mask in d0.l, but drive B is always present, even if I've only got one disk drive (in addition to the HD). Karl Anders Oygard ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 09:09:51 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!news@uunet.uu.net (NEWS system) Subject: For sale:Atari STFM To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For Sale: Atari 520 STFM with Evesham SIMM board to 1MB Atari SM124 mono monitor. Disks, mags, joystick....................all for #375 ono. Nick. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Nick Shore - Microelectronics & Software Engineering - Newcastle University ___________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 04:22:50 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net Subject: GENIE email To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu It's also worth pointing out that the GEnie "flat monthly fee" ONLY applies to things like the Scuba Diving Roundtable, the Basket Weaving Roundtable, and things like that. If you want to access the Atari Roundtables, the IBM roundtables, indeed, any of the machine-specific computer Roundtables, the billing clock kicks in at $6.00 per hour, nonprime time. Also, the "Basic" flat rate ONLY applies to reading messages in the "Basic" Roundtables. If you want to download a GIF picture of blow fish on the Great Barrier Reef from the Scuba Roundtable, it's $6.00 per hour again. Realtime online Conferences (multi-user chat) are also $6.00 per hour. GEnie Mail is included in the basic flat rate, but XMODEM file mail is not. Sending or receiving files by mail is $6.00 per hour. In other words, there are a LOT of "gotcha's" involved. You need to be very aware of what is included, and what is "extra cost". Back to the original subject... no, there is no InterNet mail connection to GEnie. There IS, however a two-way InterNet connection to CompuServe. BobR ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 11:04:43 GMT From: psinntp!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@uunet.uu.net (Gerald Greenberg) Subject: GENIE email To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <49146@cup.portal.com> Bob_BobR_Retelle@cup.portal.com writes: >It's also worth pointing out that the GEnie "flat monthly fee" ONLY >applies to things like the Scuba Diving Roundtable, the Basket Weaving >Roundtable, and things like that. >If you want to access the Atari Roundtables, the IBM roundtables, >indeed, any of the machine-specific computer Roundtables, the billing >clock kicks in at $6.00 per hour, nonprime time. >Also, the "Basic" flat rate ONLY applies to reading messages in >the "Basic" Roundtables. If you want to download a GIF picture of >blow fish on the Great Barrier Reef from the Scuba Roundtable, >it's $6.00 per hour again. Realtime online Conferences (multi-user >chat) are also $6.00 per hour. >GEnie Mail is included in the basic flat rate, but XMODEM file mail >is not. Sending or receiving files by mail is $6.00 per hour. > >In other words, there are a LOT of "gotcha's" involved. You need to be >very aware of what is included, and what is "extra cost". ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Back to the original subject... no, there is no InterNet mail >connection to GEnie. >There IS, however a two-way InterNet connection to CompuServe. >BobR Thanks for reminding us of all this Bob. I dropped my subscription to these pay-services when they imposed the flat-rate system. I thought it was, and still think it is, a rip-off. I do sort of miss access to the Gadgets forum on Genie, but it is not worth paying for other people to read the other non-computer forums. Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone knew how these services were doing financially, as a result of their change in philosophy about charging subscribers? It might serve as a lesson in the future. --Gerry ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 91 00:59:53 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!fmsrl7!teemc!sycom!bg258s1421@arizona.edu (Burley Good) Subject: HardDrives To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am looking for an inexpensive HD a starters HD. I am looking for a used maybe 20m or more CHEAP!!! Send me Email ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 11:56 From: "Markus ERNI" Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #547 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu unsubscribe info-atari16 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 01:25:44 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!generic.physi cs.utoronto.ca!julian!uwovax.uwo.ca!7103_2622@arizona.edu (Eric Smith) Subject: MiNT libraries: new version available To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've sent the latest version of the MiNT library (patchlevel 14) up to atari.archive.umich.edu. There are a lot of changes from patchlevel 10, most notably support for the new features of MiNT 0.9 (which is being beta-tested now; sorry for the delay!). If you want a sneak preview of what's going to be available in MiNT, grab the libraries :-). I hope to have the new version of MiNT itself in a shippable form in a week or two (fingers crossed). -- Eric R. Smith email: Dept. of Mathematics eric.smith@uwo.ca University of Western Ontario ersmith@julian.uwo.ca ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 13:26:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!gatech!utkcs2!duncan.cs.utk.edu!gat hings@arizona.edu (Golando Gathings) Subject: Need donations for K-12 telecommunication project To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am currently a senior in EE working with a teacher of the Knoxville who is working on a project to provide 8 bit computers as terminals for students in the Knox county school district in a telec omunications project known as Operation Uplink. We are looking for ANY broken 8/16 bit machines that can be repaired and used as terminals from anyone who is willing to provide them. She is also authorized to provide you with documentation that will allow you to file these machine as a tax-deductable donations. Inquiries via email can be sent to : towne@shadowfax.knox.tn.us Any assistance you can offer us will be greatly appreciated. Golando. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 04:54:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@arizona.edu (Len Stys) Subject: Panther & Jaguar. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a previous article, strachan6183@mtroyal.uucp () says: >In article , mikal.bbs@shark.cse.fau.edu writes: >> Someone mentioned two machines Atari is/was (rumored?) to be >> working on called Panther and Jaguar. Does anyone know what >> they are or where rumored to be? > The Panther is supposed to be the next St and the Jaguar is just an atari >console similar to the megadrive or the super famicom > Your the first person that I've heard say this... What I hear is that the Panther was to be Atari's 32-bit video game system. They were planning to release it in January of 1992. They were also working on a 64-bit video game system called the Jaguar. The Jaguar was to be released sometime in 1994. However, the Jaguar was way ahead of schedule so Atari scrapped the Panther and decided to go 64-bit all together. The Panther would have kicked butt if released the same time as the Super Nintendo but I guess Atari figured that would not be possible. Can you imagine what the Jaguar will do? The Panther would have cost $200. I bet you that the jaguar will have a price around $300. I have also heard that Atari may try to use some of the graphics and sound of the Jaguar into a new ST that they are building and plan to release in 1992. Now, if Atari can get both the Jaguar and the new ST compatible with each other, I'll buy all the $2 stock that I can get my hands on. -- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 91 15:12:35 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!cam-cl!cam-cl!qs101@uunet.uu.net (Quentin Stafford-Fraser) Subject: PD C compilers To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu What are the relative merits of the different PD C compilers for the ST? By instinct I would go for gcc, because I use it at work on my unix machine, but several people seem to use Sozobon. I have 1Meg & 2 floppies, of that makes a difference. advTHANKSance Quentin ----------------------- Quentin Stafford-Fraser Cambridge University Computer Lab qs101@cl.cam.ac.uk Tel +44 223 334645 ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 91 00:11:23 GMT From: europa.asd.contel.com!emory!att!pacbell.com!pacbell!hoptoad!wet!ekrimen@uunet.u u.net (Ed Krimen) Subject: Quantum HD To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Oct9.084621.5549@newcastle.ac.uk> njdc@tuda.newcastle.ac.uk (J.D.Coleman) writes: >I have recently bought a Quantum LPS105S ( 105 meg, 20msec, 1130kb/sec ) >and daisychained it to my existing ICD host adapter and Seagate ST177N. > >The drive is really nice, but so far I've been unable to get it working >properly. I managed to format it but after it had warmed up, I would get >continuous write errors until I couldn't write to it any more. I've talked >to ICD and they initially said that the drive was faulty, but I've had it >tested by the dealer I bought it off, and they say there are no problems >with it. > >Last week I tested it with a Sun SLC and it worked fine, but now I can't >even recognise it with my ST. I have a Quantum LPS105 working with an (old) ICD host adapter. I vaguely remember someone on GEnie (perhaps Tom Harker) saying that the old ICD host adapter (not the new Advantage series) had problems daisy- chaining some drives, either just Seagate SCSI with any other SCSI or all SCSI drives. Perhaps you might want to call ICD (talk to Howard, or maybe even Tom and mention what I said) and see what they say. That is, if you have the old host adapter. If you have the new ones, try rearranging the position of the drives on the SCSI chain. What kind of ST do you have, BTW? -- ||| Ed Krimen ||| ekrimen@wet.uucp / | \ E.KRIMEN (GEnie) ------------------------------ Date: 22 Oct 91 15:09:36 GMT From: mcsun!uknet!ukc!cam-cl!cam-cl!qs101@uunet.uu.net (Quentin Stafford-Fraser) Subject: TOS upgrades To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have an old (about 3 yrs) 1040ST with 1 Meg. Can I upgrade the TOS? Should I? What will it do for me and how much will it cost? Thanks, Quentin ----------------------- Quentin Stafford-Fraser Cambridge University Computer Lab qs101@cl.cam.ac.uk Tel +44 223 334645 ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Oct 91 21:29:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!linac!att!pacbell.com!pacbell!h optoad!wet!ekrimen@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: TT ftp site To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Oct11.153952.17628@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> ttinfo@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes: > >If you are interested, look into /serv/soft/atari/TT on >rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de = 129.69.1.12, login ftp, passwd ident. For all: Isn't there a mail system out there that lets people without FTP get access to FTP sites through e-mail? It's like BART for atari.archive, but on a general scale. If someone has information on this, please send it to me. -- ||| Ed Krimen ||| ekrimen@wet.uucp / | \ E.KRIMEN (GEnie) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 13:14:02 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu !ira.uka.de!ifistg!raichle@arizona.edu (Bernd Raichle) Subject: TT ftp site To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <3012@wet.UUCP> ekrimen@wet.UUCP (Ed Krimen) writes: > In article <1991Oct11.153952.17628@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> ttinfo@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (Markus Wenzel) writes: > > > >If you are interested, look into /serv/soft/atari/TT on > >rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de = 129.69.1.12, login ftp, passwd ident. > > For all: > > Isn't there a mail system out there that lets people without FTP get access > to FTP sites through e-mail? It's like BART for atari.archive, but on a > general scale. If someone has information on this, please send it to me. The server rusinfo.rus.uni-stuttgart.de (or rusmv1....) has a mail-server. Write email to mail-server@rusinfo.rus.uni-stuttgart.de with empty subject and `help' in the mail body to get the newest help page. -bernd ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 06:02:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs .ohio-state.edu!csn!ccncsu!lamar!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang) Subject: What is the 520STe? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Oct23.194601.15462@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> CCC_BALL@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de (Joerg Ballschmiter) writes: >Hi! >Can anyone tell me what the 520STe is? >I thought Atari releases the STE only in a 1meg version! >-Joerg. > 520STe is the STe with 0.5MB RAM in it, yes, they are real. In fact some 520STe came with some games boundled with it. (look in RUN PC's AD in Current Note for titles, I don't remember them). For upgrading to 4MB machine this is better buy, because they are cheaper than 1040 and only waste 2 256KB SIMMs in steaded of 4 256KB SIMMs in 1040. Tang sytang@lamar.colostate.edu ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 91 04:32:49 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net Subject: what types of joysticks work with 520ST? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Questions about joysticks for the ST... Any "switch type" or "digital" joystick labelled "for use with Atari 800 Commodore-64 or Atari 2600" will work with the Atari ST. Any IBM style joystick will NOT. Any joystick labelled "for Nintendo" will NOT. Actual choice of which Atari style joystick is a purely personal thing. I prefer the original Atari joystick... yes, they break, and yes, you have to replace them fairly often, but in my experience, they're FAR more controllable and responsive than other, more durable units. Your mileage may vary... BobR ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 91 00:20:11 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oa r.net!ucunix.san.uc.edu!att!pacbell.com!pacbell!hoptoad!wet!ekrimen@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: Where can I get toner? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Oct14.220214.10885@epas.toronto.edu> meggin@epas.toronto.edu (David Megginson) writes: > >The supply of toner for the older Atari laser printer (SLM804) has >dried up in the Toronto area, and it appears that Atari US will not be >sending any out for a while. This is not the printer that takes epson >cartridges. Can anyone suggest a good American mail-order house or >an alternative. We are _very_ desperate. Thanks. Call the Computer STudio in Asheville, NC. I don't know what their number is, but call 800 directory information (800-555-1212) and ask for the number. If they don't have any, plead with them to give you the number of a place that will. -- ||| Ed Krimen ||| ekrimen@wet.uucp / | \ E.KRIMEN (GEnie) ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************