Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 16 Oct 91 Volume 91 : Issue 526 Today's Topics: Can't get anything from the digest help Help, Stalker-BackTALK help:HP Deskjet 500 utils Installing applications for multiple file types Looking for Red Output Transistor Lots of things... Mac v Atari WP NTSC->RGB? People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale) Problem with user-defined objects and the AES Railroad Tycoon experiences Ship program that works with NEODESK SPECTRE GCR and mac.archive-getting started STacy specific information Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 91 10:05:35 MST From: "Mark F. Rhyner" Subject: Can't get anything from the digest To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu If anyone had some answers to my question concerning which transistor(s) drive the red output in a 520STfm ca. 1990 could they email to this address: mrhyner@huachuca-emh2.army.mil or mrhyner@huachuca-emh8.army.mil as I don't seem to be able to get the Digest any longer. SOme kind of hardware and software problem. Probably has something to do with low bid. ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 17:21:25 EST From: "Thomas Neser" Subject: help To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu help *************************************************************** * Thomas Neser, Zeus im MZES, Universitaet Mannheim, * * Steubenstr. 46, D-6800 Mannheim, Germany * *-------------------------------------------------------------* * bitnet: fs91@dmarum8 * * internet: zeus@sun1.sozialwissenschaften.uni-mannheim.de * * uucp: unima!fs21 * * x400: C=de; A=dbp; P=uni-mannheim; OU=rz; OU=munix; S=neser * *-------------------------------------------------------------* * fax: +49-621-292-8435 * * tel: +49-621-292-8473 * *************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 91 10:10:01 +0100 From: pinstall%bbrbfu60.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Help, Stalker-BackTALK To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello Stalker fan, I have got my Stalker V 3.00 last week. The first BackTALK script I write give me problems. I have write a small script to prove it, but I don't know if other configuration (computer, TOS, language) it have the same behaviour. When I run the enclosed script compiled in STalker the "time_out" (cf pg 106) doesn't seems to be effective. The script doesn't wait for the prompt. That doesn't seems to be normal to me. This is very, very annoying. // Modified script from p 21 Advanced BackTALK Tutorial, Getting started. function main() wait_for("Name?",0); printf("myname\r\n"); wait_for("word:",0); printf("myword\r\n"); endfunction Patrick, INSTALLE > V.U.B BITNET :pinstall@BBRBFU60.BITNET< > Free University Brussels FAX : 32 2 65099 99 < > Plantengenetica Voice : 32 2 650 99 45 < > 69, rue des Chevaux < > B-1640 Rhode St Genese (BELGIUM, EC) < ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 91 18:51 From: "heinZ Zerbes" Subject: help:HP Deskjet 500 utils To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A couple of days ago, I bought an HP Deskjet 500. But there came no software for my ST with it. Could anyone out there post some hints, where I can find the necessary (and useful) programs for this printer ? Many thanks in advance.........................................heinZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 91 13:52:33 CDT From: Mike Dorman Subject: Installing applications for multiple file types To: Atari List You can install applications for multiple filetypes, just by editing the desktop.inf file. Install for one application, and then save the desktop, and then use any ASCII editor to edit the file. Find the line that referenced the application that you just installed (the "@"'s and such are *very* important), copy it, and change the last bit, the "*.TXT" line, for instance, to whatever other doc type you want installed, say, "*.DOC". Save the file and reboot. There is a picture viewer out ther (VIEW, I think is the name) that has an installation facility that does this for you, for all the file types it recognizes. Pretty nifty. Mike. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 22:50:20 MST From: "Mark F. Rhyner" Subject: Looking for Red Output Transistor To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm still having problems with my 520STFm. I upgraded it quite awhile ago with a JRI 4 meg board. The 4 megs are great and work fine. But after installing the board, I found I had lost all reds! When I move the red slider in the control panel there is no change in the screen. I was using a Mitsubishi TV for color along with a mono Atari monitor. I'm now using a NEC3D for both color and mono so I know it's not the RF modulator. I talked to John Russel and he thought it most likely that the red output transistor was somehow munged up. They all look ok when I take the board that plugs into the video shifter out. I have a schematic that came with my developer's kit but it is ancient history. I'd like to replace it just to make sure. Anyone got a clue as to which is which? Thanks Mark mrhyner@huachuca-emh2.army.mil DSN:879-7440 COMM: (602) 538-7440 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 91 17:03:32 CDT From: Mike Dorman Subject: Lots of things... To: Atari List I've got a list of questions for people who are familiar with GNU C and Emacs, and the MiNT-aware port of BASH: First--Is there any way I can actually set the environment variable GCC-EXEC-PREFIX under BASH? I have tried a zillion different ways of quoting the variable, but it just can't seem to be convinced that that is a valid variable, and as a result, I can't seem to use GCC. Is there any workaround for this? Next--Is there any documentation for Emacs' elisp? Using the version found in the file ++jrbemacs.zoo on atari.archive, I consistently get a report that there's a problem with one of the init files. Since I have no idea what I'm looking for, I have no way to find it. Also--is there any easy way to rebind keys for Emacs? Switching around the backspace and delete keys and such is starting to annoy. And more--is there any particular reason that the binaries have to be built with the lib sources included with the program? That seems wierd to me, since we're trying to move to one standard library (witness the gradual mergeing of the MiNT and GNU libraries). Has anyone done a port of 18.5.7? Is it, by chance, a bit more TOS friendly? Is the port of GNU make 3.60 any sort of official release? It states in the FSF documentation that it's a beta--what is the status of make 3.6? Is there any easy way to go from .texinfo files to a line printer? I don't need all the neat stuff that a full-up TeX station would give me, and I don't have a laser printer, so I don't think it's a good idea to try, but I would like to use .texinfo stuff, and get that output to a line printer. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 91 15:52:25 BST From: "D." Summerbell Subject: Mac v Atari WP To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu David Butler replies to David Halliday: DH >>I am thinking of buying a new ST Wordprocessor (I currently use First >>Word) what do you recommend bearing in mind that I would like it to be >>MS Word compatible. DB > As far as I know there is no ST wordprocessor that is compatible with and Mac >word processor except through text files. Why get an ST wordprocessor if you >have the GCR? Wordprocessing is one area in which the Mac really shines, beats >the ST software hands-down. Try Write Now or Nisus, Write Now is faster and >less complex, but Nisus has features to blow your mind (far better than MSWord, >and it does write MSWord files). Really, these are as far above ST word >processors as an ST is above a calculator (a cheap one anyway). I might have agreed with David up until a few weeeks ago. I have Spectre but still tended to use First Word Plus in ST mode because of the superior perfor- mance of TOS (using Neodesk as a user interface). Nevertheless I still coveted the multiple fonts and proportional spacing of the Mac. I bought several "se- cond generation" WP packages as they became available but was always disappoin- ted. Recently a colleague bought Write-On (Compo Software). I borrowed it and liked it and have just bought its big brother That's Write. I much prefer it to the Mac software that I have tried. (My wife is a Mac User). I haven't encoun- tered Nisus so I can't fairly compare it with TW. However I strongly recommend the latter. Write-On competes happily with the simpler Mac packages and That's Write has the bells and whistles. WO retails at about 45.00 Sterling TW retails at about 80.00 Sterling Write-Now retails at about 120.00 Sterling Nisus I couldn't find an ad. Anyone interested I have a (growing) summary list of ST WP software. Dr.D.Summerbell INTERNET: d-summer@nimr.mrc.ac.uk Limb Development Group or: d-summer%nimr.mrc.ac.uk@earn-relay Nat. Inst. Medical Research DARPA:d-summerbell%nimr.mrc@nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk The Ridgeway, Mill Hill JANET: d-summer@uk.ac.mrc.nimr LONDON NW7 1AA Tel: 081-959 3666 ext2366 U.K. The short Internet address does not always work from the US Indirection via earn-relay is more reliable nimr is an unofficial alibi, some nodes do not have it in their YP. Real address is: @national-institute-for-medical-research.mrc.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 91 08:28:47 -0400 From: marks@AIVAX.RL.AF.MIL (David Marks) Subject: NTSC->RGB? To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [Note: I am not [yet] an INFO-ATARI16 reader, so apologies if this just came up. Also, of course, please respond directly to me e-mail address. ] Has anyone seen/used an NTSC->RGB converter that works with the Atari 1224 Color Monitor? I don't need a genlock capability to position the video image on the screen in conjunction with a computer generated RGB image, I just want to be able to use the Atari Color Monitor with a VCR to watch some class videotapes and let my wife & son watch the household TV. Dave Marks Rome Laboratory marks@aivax.rl.af.mil ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 91 23:24:59 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!widener!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!pacbell.com!att!linac!uwm.edu!cs. utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!bunyi p.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe! (Warwick Allison) Subject: People dumping machines (was.. Atari Mega 2 system.. for sale) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <1991Oct2.143825.26339@philce.ce.philips.nl> meulenbr@nlvs31.ce.philips.nl (Frans Meulenbroeks) writes: >TT ram is faster than the (regular) ST ram. This is due to the >fact that the processor is slowed down by the video hardware when >accessing ST ram. The video can only live in ST ram, and every 250 ns >or so the video accesses the ST ram. This is true? Then if a program Mallocs memory for use as a displayable screen, it will have to malloc from ST ram, right? How does one ensure this? Worried, Warwick. -- _-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au / * <-- Computer Science Department, \_.-._/ University of Queensland, v Brisbane, AUSTRALIA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1991 04:57:39 PDT From: sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com Subject: Problem with user-defined objects and the AES To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is a question for all you GEM experts out there... I'm having a problem with user-defined objects in GEM. I have written a small utility, that when given an IBOX's ID, will patch the object, so that it 'turns' it into a user-defined object. It does this simply by patching the ob_spec of the object to the address of my USERBLK, containing my object handler and changing the object type to G_USERDEF (or whatever your gem headers call it). Logically it seems fine, but when I come to display the 'fixed' tree with objc_draw, the AES appears to run out of stack space (my object handler isn't even called!). I am missing something? - Code available on request. Thanks, -Steve Goldthorpe P.S. Sorry if this appears twice, but the original post seems to have bounced (so this is a resend to a different address). %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% INET:as384@cleveland.freenet.edu | Rank Xerox Ltd, sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com | Workstation Software Group, XEROX CIN: SGoldthorpe:wgc-e:rx | European Software Development Centre, TEL: +44 707 382350 | Welwyn Hall, Bessemer Rd, XEROX INTELNET: 8*668-2350 | Welwyn Garden City, HERTS. 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I've got a 4Mb STFM, with UK Rainbow TOS. - Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 91 15:50:37 ADT From: Alyre CHIASSON Subject: Ship program that works with NEODESK To: N I have just installed NEODESK-really great. However, the ship program I have to park my MEGAFILE 30 results in NEODESK trying to reload. Is there a program that will park the heads and halt excution of all other program and operate under NEODESK. Thanks CHIASSA@UMONCTON.CA . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 91 10:53:39 ADT From: Alyre CHIASSON Subject: SPECTRE GCR and mac.archive-getting started To: N Having just obtained Spectre GCR I though I would have a look at the mac.archive at umich. A help command got me all the index files but it is not evident how to obtain the initial file to uuencode the files(BinHEX 4.0). Everthing in the index file already seems to be in hdx form. Secondly, what is the compression used "stuffit"? Thanks CHIASSA@UMONCTON.CA . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 91 13:37 From: "Thomas Koenig" Subject: STacy specific information To: Info-Atari16 Discussion A friend of mine owns a STacy, and he would dearly like to have some information about it. What he'd like to do, ultimately, is to write an accessory to 1) dim, switch on and off the background lighting for the screen 2) switch the hard disk drive off (reversible) when he wants to For this, he also needs to know how to 3) establish wether or not this program is running on a STacy How can this be done? Any help appreciated. -- Thomas Koenig EARN/BITNET : UI0T@DKAUNI2.BITNET INTERNET : UI0T@IBM3090.RZ.UNI-KARLSRUHE.DE X.400 : S=UI0T;OU=IBM3090;OU=RZ;P=UNI-KARLSRUHE;A=DBP;C=DE ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************