Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 20 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 493 Today's Topics: .au <=> .snd conversions -- How? Driver for Deskjet 500 ? (2 msgs) FOR SALE!! ULTIMATE ST SYSTEM!! Gemini installation. Harlekin Alarms Heat & Serve MiNT? Mega Keyboard on old ST (Was- Re: Question about SST board from GBS Mega keyboards Mega STe Keyboard Music - Atari (2 msgs) Question about SST board from GBS (3 msgs) TeX, which do I get? (Now that I kno Zoo 2.1 Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Sep 91 13:48:49 GMT From: lanai!bcc@uunet.uu.net (Brian Cooper) Subject: .au <=> .snd conversions -- How? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I now have a Sun-4 workstation to use, with a built in audio capability. Does anyone know how my .snd files (remac/replay format) can be converted to play on the Sun-4 (.au format). Or, I am supposed to be able to record sound on the Sun -- does anyone know how to convert these sounds to .snd format? I found a pair of programs that were supposed to convert Iff to Law format, and back, but running the conversion on a simple .snd file resulted in some- thing just barely recognizeable on the Sun. This ranks fairly low on the importance scale, but it would be nice... -- Brian Cooper bcc@Eyring.COM uunet!lanai!bcc Eyring Corp. +1 801-375-2434 or 1 800 YES PDOS ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 08:13:05 GMT From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!hpopd!hpwin052!markb@hplabs.hp.com (Mark Bridgett) Subject: Driver for Deskjet 500 ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Perhaps I should have qualified this a little further. The driver is needed for First Word Plus. Thanks, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 15:09:22 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!rose.waterloo.edu!cjherborth @arizona.edu (Chris Herborth) Subject: Driver for Deskjet 500 ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <95630002@hpwin052.HP.COM> markb@hpwin052.HP.COM (Mark Bridgett) writes: }Perhaps I should have qualified this a little further. The driver }is needed for First Word Plus. } }Thanks, }Mark. Wait a minute... You're at HP... Anyway, check atari.archive, there's a file in the printing (?) directory that is a DJ500 driver for first word... Email to atari@atari.archive.umich.edu with "send Index" as the body of your message, and then take a look through it... ---------------=============================================--------------- Chris Herborth cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu 3B Hons English RPW cjherborth@lotus.waterloo.edu Disclaimer: I was under the influence of Earl Grey tea when I said that... ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 20:38:24 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs .ohio-state.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler) Subject: FOR SALE!! ULTIMATE ST SYSTEM!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Serious ST system for sale: 1) Mega 2+2 (4 megs) with: a) AdSpeed (16mhz 68000) b) Overscan c) ISAAC Card (1024*768 Color/Mono high-Rez card, very nice, works with the Spectre GCR very well, as well as most ST software). d) BEST Power Supply (the ISAAC and Power supply are virtually brand new) e) Extra Shielding for the GCR f) TOS 1.4 g) Extra Internal fan to cool ISAAC (and everything else) h) Good mouse (Japan model, nice buttons) $1750 or best offer (ISAAC costs $600 alone) (NOTE: I would really like to sell this as a whole unit, I don't want to have to take it apart and take these mods out...) 2) Spectre GCR with ROMS! $350(obo) (They now go for $449 new, mail order) (drive works fine with shielding) 3) 50Megabyte, 28ms. Fast Hard Drive $325(obo) 4) (Another) 50Meg 28ms. Fast Hard Drive $325(obo) 5) Migraph HandScanner and TouchUp $300(obo) 5) Mono Monitor, Good shape, $85(obo) 6) Good Track-Ball mouse, modified by myself to give FAR SUPERIOR mouse control than the original model (trust me) $25(obo) 7) Keyboard Extension cable (25feet) $5(obo) 8) SOFTWARE (all registered) (all listed below is "or best offer"): a) Calamus (if you want the SL upgrade cheap, buy this) $135 b) Calamus Outline $75 c) Calaums Font Editor $75 d) Neodesk 3.0 $40 e) Cherry Fonts Disks - Times and Garamond, $15 each f) Dungeon Master & Chaos Strikes Back, $10 each g) About 300 converted Calamus fonts, free with Hard Drive (either), or $100 with Calamus NOTE: The system comes with lots of PD and shareware on them. If you were to buy the whole system, you would also get my entire settup parameters, including Mac Partitions, system software etc... 9) ZOOM 2400 Baud modem, $55(obo) There may be a few things I'm forgetting... I'll pay shipping to anyone buying $350 worth of equipment or more. f) MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL: This system comes with Support by me. No Warranty, but everything works perfect as of taday. If you are having problems with the system anytime during the first 6months, you can call me for help. Also, if you do need help after the first 6months, I will be available through E-Mail (here) for approximately another year... THIS OFFER IS ONLY GOOD IF YOU BUY MORE OR LESS THE WHOLE SYSTEM!! If you do buy the whole system, everything except the games, I'll take $100 off the total cost. Please call (614)-297-7967 and leave a message, or E-Mail me... || || || - David Butler (dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) || || || || || || H H RRRR [ High Resolution DTP ] || || || HHHH R R [ 1996 Summit St. Apt. B ] || || || H High RRRR [ Columbus, Ohio 43201 ] ||| || ||| R Resolution [ voice: (614)-297-7967 ] |||| || |||| R R [ BUSINESS CALLS ONLY ] - Desktop Publishing -[ For Free ST consulting ]- -(Just a little plug for my company)- -[ the Columbus Ohio area ]- -[ call Academic Computing ]- -[ Services, 9am - 5pm ]- -[ Monday - Friday at: ]- -[ (614)-292-2919 ]- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 13:23:42 GMT From: cme!chang@uunet.uu.net (Forrest Chang) Subject: Gemini installation. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is there an english installation doc for gemini? I recently got gemini11.zoo off of a.a and I couldn't get it to work right. I've deciphered some stuff about order in which to copy the files in one of the docs, but I haven't had any luck in getting it to work. Possibly related, I just had my computer shipped back from Korea (where I was for year) and I'm not sure it's working entirely. My harddisk is acting a bit flakier than it did after it was shipped to Korea, and stuff regularly bombs. I haven't quantified the problem/symptoms, yet, but the following newstuff also give me problems. UIS III doesn't installfrom auto, I can't get mint to run from floppy as described in the docs, either auto or from the desktop., none of the seq files I've down loaded from a.a work. Seems Shadow of the Beast (brand new) doesn't boot right, goes past the the eldritch cat part, can hear violent change of tracks form disk drive and then some varied colors on the screen. like some of the symptoms may be memory related, could it be the shipping back and forth has zonked out some of the 256K chips in my machine. Is there a way to check that they are all ok. The machine is a 1040stf (circa 87 I think) and I've only had it back from Korea since last thursday. Any ideas anyone. Fo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 91 16:47:36 BST From: Steven John Atkinson Subject: Harlekin Alarms To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu To info-atari16 Just read the plea from chiassa%udem@unbmvs1.csd.unbrca If you are using Harlekin 1, you can only set the alarms on the day you are using. If you want to set up alarms on another day you will have to get Harlekin 2. This allows you to set up multiple alarms using the new version of the scrapbook (now called the manager). The software now uses memory from a pool, hence the pool of memory reserved can be made smaller, instead of reserving huge ammounts for the various parts, i.e the editor and scrapbook. These now use the pool for there storage space. The ramdisk can be resized up the the amount of free space in the pool without having to reset. Also the various modules used are pulled of disk when needed (i.e. saves memory) you can also add your own modules (information is given). I am not affiliated to the authors of this software I just use it. **************************************************** * S.J.ATKINSON@UK.AC.MANCHESTER - Within JANET * * S.J.ATKINSON@MANCHESTER.UK.AC - Outside UK * **************************************************** Fri, 20 Sep 91 16:47:32 BST ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 15:19:21 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!rose.waterloo.edu!cjherborth @arizona.edu (Chris Herborth) Subject: Heat & Serve MiNT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Now that Ian Lepore has been kind enough to roll us a "Heat & Serve" version of Sozobon C, wouldn't it be nice if Eric Smith set up a nice "Heat & Serve" version of MiNT? Yah-yah-yah... :-) It'd be really great if the authors of Mupfel created a version that threw out all the GEM support, and was MiNT'd instead... Ah well... (Or if I could find something more like csh...) ---------------=============================================--------------- Chris Herborth cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu 3B Hons English RPW cjherborth@lotus.waterloo.edu Disclaimer: I was under the influence of Earl Grey tea when I said that... ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 22:03:52 GMT From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@sei.cmu.edu (Mark Choi) Subject: Mega Keyboard on old ST (Was- Re: Question about SST board from GBS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Here is how to patch a Mega keyboard to an old ST: DETACHABLE ATARI KEYBOARD MODIFICATION: I've got a detached keyboard - A Mega keyboard, for that matter - attached to the 520 I'm using now. It's a trivially simple modification, if you're willing to do some wire fitting. What you need is a 6-wire telephone jack and a 17-pin single inline header plug (plus, of course, a Mega keyboard and a 520 - dunno about the newer ones, but the older (no internal flopsies) 520's are happy with this modification.) 4 simple steps, with appropriate cursing relative to success. 1: take apart the 520, remove the old keyboard, leap on it a few times, tear apart your warranty (leaping on the 520 keyboard provided incentive to do the modification properly, tearing apart the warranty just saves the people at Atari the effort...) 2: take the telephone jack (er, socket, or whatever - I bought a 6-pin wall plug and ripped it apart) and run the wires to the header plug as follows: blue, yellow -> pin 1 white, black -> pin 13 green -> pin 14 red -> pin 15 (my notes - I can't look at the actual connector for obvious reasons - say that the blue wire is #1, yellow #2, white #5, black #6, green #3 and red #4 on the telephone jack or socket or whatever) 3: plug the header plug back into the 520 at the same place you took out the old keyboard. (Pin one is towards the front of the unit, in case it's not labeled on the PC board.) feed the un-keyboarded end of the Mega keyboard cable through the RF shield where the 520 cable went in, then reassemble the whole mess. 4: plug in in and play. You'll have to relocate the mouse cable out to the Mega keyboard from the ST itself, but that's the only difference I've noticed. Total cost? 1 mega keyboard plus about $6 for the bits. And it's trivially simple, and it doesn't permanently modify _any_ of the offending bits except for the telephone jack and the the 17-pin header plug. I'm noted for my tendency to kill hardware by a glance, but I've managed to rip apart the ST, attach this mod, and put it all back together with no ill-effects so far. (But I guess I'll haveta point out that you're on your own if you do this; I'm not responsible in general, and it'd be inconsistant if I made an exception in this case.) Hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 21:40:36 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mp s.ohio-state.edu!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!bari!wmagro@arizona.edu (William Magro) Subject: Mega keyboards To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <91262.123617ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET>, ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET writes: |> in turn is better than every other keyboard I've ever used. Did you ever |> try to type on a Sparcstation keyboard?? |> Yes, and like it quite a lot. I guess what we need to realize is that everyone has a different ideal keyboard. Most of us agree it isn't the original ST keyboard, though.... --Bill Magro ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 14:40:58 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.e du!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler) Subject: Mega STe Keyboard To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I still say the the Mega STe keyboard stinks. I do LOTS of typing, and I like the MEGA keyboard ok, but hate the Mega STe keyboard with a passion. So do most of the people I've talked to. I do know one guy who likes it though, so I guess it is just a matter of how your hands work (mine are big and clumsy, so I like the oversized keys on my Mega)... Anyway... Is the TT keyboard really the same as the MEGA STe keyboard? I heard differently, but that was probably a year ago, and things change... - What ever happened to free love anyway? - David Butler ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 14:27:47 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!midway!spssig!bobhays@arizona.edu (Bob Hays) Subject: Music - Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I use Tiger Cub and a 1040ST w/ 2 floppies for sequencing and software development. I love it! I compared the ST to PCs, Macs and Amigas back about five years ago and decided it was the best for my goals: 68000 assembler learning tool Music sequencing tool and I have been pleased since. My question: does anyone know of any way to get Tiger Cub to send out system exclusive messages? I've found that it will if I convert a MIDI Recording Studio file up to Cub format, but that is really painful (unfortunately, since I at that time used relatively slow clocks for my sequences, like 24-96 spm). If anyone has any ideas, please let me know via e-mail to bobhays@spss.com. -- ========================================================================= The opinions expressed above are those of the author and not SPSS, Inc. bobhays@spss.com Phone: (312) 329-3522 Bob Hays Fax: (312) 329-3657 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 15:02:50 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!rose.waterloo.edu!cjherborth @arizona.edu (Chris Herborth) Subject: Music - Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep19.070825.29446@watserv1.waterloo.edu> bmaraldo@watserv1.waterloo.edu (Commander Brett Maraldo) writes: }In article <1991Sep17.164847.27820@watdragon.waterloo.edu> cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu (Chris Herborth) writes: }>Last I heard, Mick Fleetwood was using an ST, and Tangerine Dream had }>13 of them... }> } I use my computer for music composition and all my promo typesetting, }including the j-cards for my cassette tape release. A little 520ST goes }a long way (especially with 4meg in it :-) } }Brett L Maraldo }Plexus Productions Hmmm, maybe I'll sneak down to The Princess next time you're doing Metropolis... (Then again, DigiT, the Front-242 clones, have an ST... Dunno what sequencer they're using though...) ---------------=============================================--------------- Chris Herborth cjherborth@rose.waterloo.edu 3B Hons English RPW cjherborth@lotus.waterloo.edu Disclaimer: I was under the influence of Earl Grey tea when I said that... ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 11:52:30 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@arizona.edu Subject: Question about SST board from GBS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep18.133049.571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David Butler) says: >This is simply not true. Nobody I know has upgraded their Mega to a Mega STe. I know several people -- but there are more people, who upgrade to an TT, right (at least here in Germany). >In fact, everyone I know looked at the Mega STe and laughed (have you ever >seen, better yet used the keyboard, what a piece of junk!). Everyone I know, >including myself, with the original Mega's is wonderfully happy with them and The Mega STE has the same keyboard as the TT, and EVERYBODY I know of is absolutely happy with it. It's much better than the Mega ST keyboard, which in turn is better than every other keyboard I've ever used. Did you ever try to type on a Sparcstation keyboard?? >just won't consider "upgrading". AdSpeed is better than the Mega STe 16mhz >68000 settup too, seeing as it will switch, hands-off, at the execution of any >program you set it to, and switch back when you quit. The local store has a >Mega STe they have not been able to sell for 6 months, but still gets TONS of >requests for the original Megas. Whenever they do get a Mega in, it sells the >same day, meanwhile the Mega STe sits there..... Also, the compatibility seems >to be extremely poor. Virtually none of the demos, and a couple of >applications >crashed and burned in the Mega STe, even with the cache turned off and running >at 8mhz. All these same programs work fine with AdSpeed. Lastly, ever seen how >the hard drive is held in a Mega STe? GLUE, can you believe it! Take the >little >case on the right side of the machine off and just look at how Atari installed >the hard drive, this is why the hard drive is so damn loud (it sounds like it >is destroying itself anytime you do drive access). Wait, one last thing, the >hard drive light is not built into the machine. Ever noticed that the hard >drive light is difficult to see because it is so dim? This is because the >"light" on the Mega STe is really just a hole with a little piece of plastic >in >it. It relies on the light built into the drive, which just sits in there >behind the little piece of plastic...now that's engineering for you. > >Really though, my biggest gripe is the keyboard, I've literally never seen a >keyboard on a modern computer this poor (it makes a Mac Plus keyboard look >good). Anyone that has a Mega STe should know that you can purchase the >original MEGA keyboards from BEST electronics, and they will work fine... > > || || || - David Butler (dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) > || || || > || || || H H RRRR [ High Resolution DTP ] > || || || HHHH R R [ 1996 Summit St. Apt. B ] > || || || H High RRRR [ Columbus, Ohio 43201 ] > ||| || ||| R Resolution [ voice: (614)-297-7967 ] > |||| || |||| R R [ BUSINESS CALLS ONLY ] > - Desktop Publishing > >-[ For Free ST consulting ]- -(Just a little plug for my company)- >-[ the Columbus Ohio area ]- >-[ call Academic Computing ]- >-[ Services, 9am - 5pm ]- >-[ Monday - Friday at: ]- >-[ (614)-292-2919 ]- ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 18 Sep 91 23:25:58 GMT From: healy@cod.nosc.mil (Mike Healy) Subject: Question about SST board from GBS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know if the SST will fit into a 1040stf? A friend of mine has a 25 MHz 68030 just looking for a good home. It wouldn't be 40 MHz, but I imagine a little bit faster than my 8 MHz 68000. Mike Healy healy@cod.nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 14:21:56 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-sta te.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David Butler) Subject: Question about SST board from GBS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >If he is counting on that, which I don't think he is, Mr. Small isn't going >to make as much money as I previously stated. > >Dave Small is much smarter than that. > >--Greg > >(Read it and weep people, the only defensive message I will make, it wasn't > even all that defensive really, just a factual comparison. The closest > I will EVER get to supporting Atari.) I agree, Dave Small is smarter than that. I'm sure he is working on a MEGA STe version. Personally, with all the problems I've been hearing about the new Atari systems, I'm still glad I have a Mega (I just had the fatal Power Supply problem myself, what a pain...) I've had a number of problems (trust me). My drive shielding is so poor that I had to wrap the drive cable in aluminum foil, as well as the drive itself... Anyway, I'm considering going to a TT (even though it has lots of problems too), and would like to know a couple things: 1) How well does the Spectre GCR work with it? 2) Where can I get a BIGSCREEN color card for it, not this crappy 640*480*16colors (16 colors? come on Atari....). I need at least 1024*768*16colors like my ISAAC, or better yet 256 colors from a 16million palette). 3) Has anyone used Calamus SL in conjuction with a High-Rez card on the TT? 4) How is the keyboard? Will my Mega Keyboard work with the TT (just in case the TT keyboard sucks)? 5) Where can I get one cheapest? - Free Love Always - David Butler ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 11:52:27 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!frmop11!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@arizona.edu Subject: TeX, which do I get? (Now that I kno To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de (Michael Kistenmacher) says: >The perfect one, always reliable with a nice shell. speedy and makes the >best output. It's shareware. Since Metafont is not ported by Stefan Lindner >himself and Lutz Birkhan hasn't ported the version 2.9 to the ST, you have >to run SL's TeX 3.1 combined with old Metafont 1.7 Hu? As far as I know, Lutz Birkhahn has just finished the new version (and the newest version of Metafont is 2.7x, isn't it?) ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Sep 91 14:52:16 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!uniol!unido!urmel!akela!michaels@uunet.uu.net (Michael Schwingen) Subject: Zoo 2.1 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Christian_Felsch@hh.maus.de (Christian Felsch) writes: >Write a Mail to Thomas Quester Mouse HH. He is the only reliable >address for Compressing programs. He did the porting of the new LHARC. The one that did not work right ? don't talk about lharc. I have had *much* trouble with this assembler-optimized lharc versions (not UNIX- compatible etc) - finally, I've got the UNIX-Lharc-source and compiled it using GCC. At least that worked! As a result, I have now switched to ZOO2.1 which does not have such problems. I have the version that was posted in comp.binaries.atari.st (which is the OK version). It should be available from atari.archive or at least from any comp.binaries.atari.st archive site. I hope that we will stay at the present, stable version of ZOO2.1 without zillions of different versions with slight optimizations and modifications appearing soon. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Schwingen, Ahornstrasse 36, W-5100 Aachen, Germany michaels@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de PLEASE KEEP MAIL FROM OUTSIDE GERMANY SHORT-I HAVE TO PAY FOR INCOMING MAIL ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************