Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 14 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 482 Today's Topics: .TGA (Targa) Picture on a ST? Anyone hear what went on at the Atarimeese? Atari 1040ST, 2 monitors, printer and more for sale ATARI 520ST Atari Computer for sale! gcc and gxx (gnu) Gemini 1.2 Hard Drive Problems help running oxyd Internal Drives RAM disks for Mega4/ste??? Yes! Super Charger 286? (2 msgs) Tos 2.0x coming to an STf(m) near you! Tos 2.0x coming to an STf(m) near you... NOT! Zoo (Was: TeX -- uhhg!) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Sep 91 19:51:01 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-s tate.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy!miavx1!rlcollins@arizona.edu (Ryan 'Gozar' Collins) Subject: .TGA (Targa) Picture on a ST? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know of a program that can handle .TGA (Targa) files? One that could convert to any of the number of ST modes would be good!! (Especially .SPC or .SPU) Thanks.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ryan 'Gozar' Collins Question for MAC Users: rlcollins@miavx1.BITNET |||| Power Without What IS the format of a rc1dsanu@miamiu.BITNET / || \ The Price!! MAC HFS floppy disk? R.COLLINS1 on GEnie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 91 18:56:26 GMT From: cucstud!tfd!afp!gna!linn!Jan.Willekens@uunet.uu.net (Jan Willekens) Subject: Anyone hear what went on at the Atarimeese? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a message of <25 Aug 91 04:06:52>, aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (2:320/100.1) writes: a> Any great things come out of the Atarimeese in Germany? Well, the Messe was a bit of a letdown this year. The only new thing Atari presented this year was a new MS Dos clone, the ABC 80386DXII containing a 40 Mhz 386DX, 2 Mb RAM, etc. Atari's stand was huge in size but small in the amount of computers that were on the stand itself. Further there were lots of VGA boards to be seen and the new Vortex 386SX Emulator for the Mega STE. Read the next issue of the new STabloid disk magazine for further details. Greetings... - Jan - --- STabloid's Chief Editor... Prerelease out NOW! Jan.Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.fidonet.org or Jan.Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.linn.gna.tfd.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 91 16:15:52 GMT From: ECE.UCSD.EDU!dlou@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Dennis Lou) Subject: Atari 1040ST, 2 monitors, printer and more for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Posting for a friend... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= For sale (PRICE REDUCED): Atari 1040STf system -1 Meg RAM -Mouse -Built in Floppy drive -Built in MIDI, HD controller, serial, parallel ports, etc Wico BOSS joystick -button on type of stick style Epyx joystick -handheld short stick style Atari SM 124 monochrome monitor -for hi res mode Amiga 1084D color monitor (with adapter) -sometimes the speaker pops and goes out -otherwise in good condition Star NX1000 printer -9pin dot matrix -120cps -friction/tractor feed -excellent condition Power director -fits under monitor and switches power $700 or best offer for everything Call Anson at 619 452 6018 (fast) or E-mail me here and I'll forward the message (slower). -- Dennis Lou || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?" dlou@ucsd.edu || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!" [backbone]!ucsd!dlou |+==================================================== dlou@ucsd.BITNET |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 91 03:44:58 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!a ctrix!Alex.Valdez@arizona.edu (Alex Valdez) Subject: ATARI 520ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep12.145604.9420@decuk.uvo.dec.com> les@decuk.uvo.dec.com writes: > > In article <1991Sep12.140156.10003@watmath.waterloo.edu>, ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey) writes: > |>I detect a note of cynicism here... > |>Are you forgetting that IDRIS from Whitesides has been available for years? > |> > > What exactly is IDRIS, surely it isnt a *real* unix for the ST? > No, it isn't - in the sense that AT&T did not produce it. It's a Unix-like OS from *Whitesmiths* (not Whitesides). -- ================================Alex Valdez============================= "Alas sais na naman, oras ng pagdidili-dili... Isaisip ang mabuti, ang masama'y iwaksi..." ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 91 19:12:58 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!udel!have n.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.edu!chuck@arizona.edu (Chuck Rickard) Subject: Atari Computer for sale! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu FOR SALE: Atari 1040 ST 1 meg main system memory Internal 720K 3.5" disk drive TOS 1.4 Operating System ROMs Surreal Systems internal clock chip Atari SC 1224 Color monitor Original super-sharp JVC model Semi-"Home-brew" hard drive SH 204 case and power supply/fan ICD Advantage Host Adapter (w/clock) OMTI SCSI-to-MFM converter Seagate ST-251 40 meg drive (flakey) DMA cable Atari standard mouse WordPerfect for the Atari ST Abacus Chartpak Misc. system disks for the above system ...and any other misc. Atari formatted disks that I have All this great stuff for just $750 or best offer! I'd rather sell the system as a whole, but if I get offers for most of the pieces, then I'll go that way. Anyway, if you have an offer, then make it! The worst thing that can happen is that I'll say "No way!" I prefer email, but if you would rather call, you can reach me at (301) 521-0015. Thanks! -- Chuck Rickard (chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 91 13:29:20 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!robobar!stl!siesoft!usenet@uunet.uu.net (Arshad Mahmood) Subject: gcc and gxx (gnu) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I would like to run gcc & g++ on my atari ST Mega4. I only have a single double sided floppy but there is 4M of memory, part of which I can use as ram disk. My questions are : 1) Is this configuration adequate for gcc and g++ ? (I know I should have a harddisk but I cant afford it at the moment) 2) Which files beside tos/gcc/bin/gccbin00.zoo I need for gcc from terminator ? ( libraries/includes/docs etc ). 3) Is gcc better than Sozobon C ? ( ANSI C ). 4) Is g++ a preprocessor or a compiler ? 5) If I get gxxbin.zoo,gxxlib.zoo & gxxinc.zoo, Will I still need gccbin etc? Are there any docs for g++? 6) Will there be a gxxdb ( gdb for gcc ) for gxx? Please reply by email (arshad@siesoft.co.uk) and I will post a summary on the net. Thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 91 19:17:59 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!cs.utexas.edu!helios!tamsun!tamuts!n160ao@arizona.edu (Mark Lehmann) Subject: Gemini 1.2 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu When I was asking about Neodesk 3.x I came across a response to use Gemini. The responder said to use Gemini 1.2, but I have not seen it in umich.edu. I decided to use gulam or bash to provide a command line shell for awk and zoo (PCOMMAND converts all paramters to uppercase). Gulam looks very nice, and it has documentation. Bash looks even nicer, but the UNIX tools are not built in and I can't seem to find documentation for it. Can someone tell me: - Where is Gemini 1.2 in the atari archive at umich.edu? - Where is the documentation for bash (I don't mind buying the docs in book form)? MArk Lehmann tamuts.tamu.edu!n160ao ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 91 19:29:45 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!male!thepond!wright @arizona.edu (Bruce Wright) Subject: Hard Drive Problems To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Can someone answer a question for me? I have a 520st with 2 720KB floppies, I put together a 20MB hard drive - I have a LA PINE Titan LT200 3.5" drive with a ST506 controller and the Atari I/F card. The power supply I used can easily handle the current required, so that is not a problem. The thing is in a nice little package and it works fine...most of the time. The problem comes up after I have had the system up and running for a while and the programming I am running has not accessed the drive in a while. When I do try to access the drive, I get an error that information on drive C could be dammaged. If I open up one of the other partitions on the drive, or reset the drive altogether, everything is fine. I don't save data on the hard drive, so it is only aggravating at times. Does anyone have any ideas why this is happening?? Bruce Wright Sr. Manufacturing Engineer Corporate Logistics Technical Services MIL21-314 (408) 922-5054 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 91 11:37:14 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!h agbard!sunic!dkuug!imada!micro@arizona.edu (Klaus Pedersen) Subject: help running oxyd To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu warwick@cs.uq.oz.au (Warwick Allison) writes: >Well, that sounds fair enough. Would someone with a working copy upload it >to atari.archive, or someone who retrieved a working copy form a.a please >step forward. I downloaded OXYD from a.a, and it works fine (on danish TOS1.4). A freind of mine with a english TOS1.2, can't run it though. It also works fine on a german TOS1.??. I don't know what the problem is though. But I can run it from harddisc, with accs and auto programs active. -Klaus ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 91 16:15:05 GMT From: NAVO.NAVY.MIL!fox@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Daniel Fox) Subject: Internal Drives To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [Sorry if this gets posted twice, but we don't have a direct way to post to usenet. I sent this about a week ago and it didn't show up, so try again...] I would like to add an internal hard drive to my Mega 2, but do not want to interfere with the SLM804. I was in Toad computers a few months ago and asked them about their tadpole internal drives, and the person there said you couldn't use the laser printer with them. First - is that right? I can believe it, since you're reversing the 'normal' order of the laser printer controller and the hard drive in the DMA chain. Does anyone have an internal hard drive which works fine with the laser printer on a mega 2? Second - does the mega have enough power and/or cooling fan to handle both an internal hard drive *and* a memory upgrade board, like the JRI? Last - has anyone had problems with the trick of just leaving the laser printer back door open to cut down the noise and heat? I've been doing it that way for close to 2 years now without problems, but then I saw the ads for that 'phantom of the laser' product... Thanks! fox@noarl.navy.mil ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 91 18:42:06 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!harrier.ukc.ac.uk!hobby.ukc.ac.uk!wabe@uunet.uu.net (W.A.B.Evans) Subject: RAM disks for Mega4/ste??? Yes! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu (Joe Gaudreau {Dances with PostScript}) writes: >The Mark Williams rde_sty for the Ste works quite nicely on the >Mega4/Ste. It has many nice variations but the one I like the best is >being able to save the ram disk image as a .tos file, which can be >loaded once with whatever you populated it with: > >I have drive o: setup for Turbo-C development with 1.5 meg and it just >barely fits all the compiler tools, libraries, includes, emacs, and >gnu-make. It get's used with the 'Master' shell and it's purpose is >essentially to be a 'rom' drive. There'a around 400k left for >diddling or temp stuff. *but* the cool part is that I saved the >configured and populated ram drive as a binary (900k-ish) - it's a >built in feature of rde. Now, when I load the ram drive, everything >is there. Compiles are *SO* fast, it's simply unbelievable - saves >wear and tear on the HD too. > >*Gulam* or some other shell (like Master) is highly recommended for >talking to rde - it lets you do much much more than the gui it comes >with. I have had for years a virtually identical set-up (I also use drive o: (non-booting) as an utility ramdisk and afterwards load a "booting" ramdisk tailored to whatever I am doing (MWC, Fortran, Signum Wordplus, Degas, Sozobon, Laser C or whatever) and agree with Joe's comments that the speed of working is fantastic and read/write errors common with drives with mechanical moving parts are unheard of! To add to Joe's comments - if wishes to save a ramdisk with far more than 820k of file contents onto a single 820k floppy - then (assuming you have the RAM) use PFXPAK to pack them as we commonly do with executables - the saved ramdisk ARE executables. His last comment about invoking rdy/rde from GULAM or some other shell is very true. BUT to enter GULAM is a SLOW process - the rehashing can take quite a time esp. if you have hard disk attached and a long PATH. That is why a short time ago I posted to the comp.sys.atari.binaries a tiny, tiny shell specifically configures for use with RDY/RDE. It is called RDCOM.TTP and is part of what is listed as "rdutils" in panarthea's archives (Vol. 14 or 15 I think). Come to think of it, it is so small I might as well tag it to the end of this posting (this one is called RDSH.TTP - a slightly improved version of RDCOM.TTP - when invoked with NO arguments it displays FULL INFO on how to use it). W. Alan B. 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Y]< [~, *U )(D 14<(].\ U9 (,F@5[d M]0 8\ %#, 1! 4_ (0L( _X, _]@ #X$ ],( (R8 .H'@(X (H ,X $Dc M,#L4 .[B@ 2$ "<*VH 0/!T5X.$"\9a ?]14<( ,~H !?P $( -\0 "C$ \!@ KP, 0H! % >z y end ------------------------------ Date: 14 Sep 91 03:05:05 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod. mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko) Subject: Super Charger 286? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just to throw in my thoughts on the subject, there are some uses for emulators. While yes you will not have certain features as actual IBMs/clones, the question is will you need it or want it? I just got a ATSpeedC16 because I basically want to be able to run programs for school and maybe some business stuff (such as Lotus, etc). I figure a 286 and EGA/VGA graphics should last me for quite a few years. Besides, I'm at 2.5 megs (soon to be 4 megs) and am not worried about lack of compatibility. Why don't I get a pure IBM then? If I did, why should I keep my ST? (two full-sized systems are more than ridiculous for me when BOTH do what I want them to do, and I like the ST better - just want to have the IBM compatibility for those type of programs that aren't available for the ST yet)... Robert Anisko rjast1@cis.unix.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 Sep 91 17:13:34 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!bronze!silver!kclend en@arizona.edu (Kevin Clendenien) Subject: Super Charger 286? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep13.132259.11507@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >>something like SuperCharger. The IBM emulators are designed to be >>attractive to Atari users who already have everything they need >>except an 80x86 chip. > >I don't agree with you. Here in NY, you can buy an XT laptop >with 640K RAM and 2 floppies for $399 and for about $300 more >you can get a 286 laptop with a hardrive. If I had any real >need to use a MS-DOS machine I would probably opt to buy one >of these machines rather than deal with all the hassles of putting >one of these "sorta compatible" boards in an ST. The cost is >almost the same so why bother hacking up your ST? > >Chris >--------------+---------------------------------------------------------- >Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing: The only hobby perfectly tailored for > | anal retentive alcoholics. :-) >--------------| (ripped off from someone on the net...) Well, Chrisie, you weren't reading my append very closely. I'll try to simplify things for you. Let's say that I have an Atari ST with 2.5MB of memory, an 85M harddrive, and a color monitor. For $400 I can buy a SuperCharger (plugs into the DMA port so I don't even have to worry about installing it.) This would give me an XT with 2.5MB of memory, an 85M harddrive and a CGA color. You could not spend $400 and get an XT with 2.5MB of memory, an 85M harddrive and CGA color. As the last line of my append stated, the IBM emulators for the Atari ST are really most attractive to people who already have all the peripherals they'll need on their ST. As far as compatibility goes, there's no reason why SuperCharger should not be as IBM compatible as Tandy computers. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- kclenden@silver.bacs.indiana.edu Kevin Clendenien BLAST BBS - (812) 332-0573 BLAST member "I want someone like you, only nicer." ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 91 19:32:54 GMT From: cucstud!tfd!afp!gna!linn!Jan.Willekens@uunet.uu.net (Jan Willekens) Subject: Tos 2.0x coming to an STf(m) near you! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a message of <20 Aug 91 11:38:33>, mike@abekrd.co.uk (Mike Quinn) (2:320/100.1) writes: m(> Picked up a copy of ST User (UK mag - mostly games, but going back to m(> ST World m(> style Real Soon Now(tm)), today and in the news snippets at the front m(> they said that Tos 2.0 would be made available for owners of old Sts m(> on 512K roms. At the Messe a spokesperson from Atari Germany said that he had just heard from Atari USA that they will become available for STE (!) users. These roms can't be included in regular STs or Mega STs. m(> They said that the roms would be available from September (I know m(> don't ask _which_ September) and would cost around 50 pounds Haven't heard a thing about that. The latest was the confirmation that it will become available. Well, maybe they have inside information or they are just hyping... Greetings... - Jan - --- STabloid's Chief Editor... Prerelease out NOW! Jan.Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.fidonet.org or Jan.Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.linn.gna.tfd.com ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 91 19:37:28 GMT From: cucstud!tfd!afp!gna!linn!Jan.Willekens@uunet.uu.net (Jan Willekens) Subject: Tos 2.0x coming to an STf(m) near you... NOT! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a message of <24 Aug 91 17:05:58>, Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org (1:228/24) writes: R> Yes but if my figuring is right the to 2.x SHOULD be able to fit... You are right, it does fit in STEs. Someone from Atari Germany confirmed this. Greetings... - Jan - --- STabloid's Chief Editor... Prerelease out NOW! Jan.Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.fidonet.org or Jan.Willekens@p12.f202.n281.z2.linn.gna.tfd.com ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 20:36:56 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!@arizon a.edu (John Stanley) Subject: Zoo (Was: TeX -- uhhg!) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [In article , steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington) writes ... ] > Note that ZOO is case sensitive, so you can't run it from pre-TOS 1.4 > Desktop. If you run it from a command shell, be sure the shell doesn't > muck around with the slashes (you may have to quote the arguments). Almost right Steve... The ST versions of Zoo that I've seen CAN be used on machines running TOS versions earlier than 1.4 using the novice commands.. The "x//" can easily be used on any TOS by substituting "-RESTORE" or -restore" (which are both equivalent to "x//"). While not as powerful or flexable as the regular commands, it's misleading to tell people "you can't run it from pre-TOS 1.4 desktop".... ... JLS --- John L. Stanley Software Development Consultant / Dynasoft Systems ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************