Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 11 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 477 Today's Topics: AT-ONCE 386sx (2 msgs) Atari 1040ST system for sale Atari Computers for sale. help running oxyd Internal Clock Looking for term program... Printer ST memory allocation (2 msgs) TeX help - what files? Thanks to all for Help tools for manipulating postscript files TT disk drive in GCR? (3 msgs) TT Unix / TT TOS two bugs in PBMPLUS (ST-version) UNZEROING THE HARD DISK WordPlus, WP, WUP, speed Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Sep 91 13:52:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!samsung!za phod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!unid o!uniol!tpki!seki!carsten@ (Carsten Setje-Eilers) Subject: AT-ONCE 386sx To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) writes: > >From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen) >Subject: Re: MSDOS emulator with 386 >Vortex ATonce-386SX Today I installed a Mega Ste-4 / ATonce-386sx- System. Windows lookes very nice on it in VGA-Monochrome(hercules not so fine!). The system had 512Kb-fast-RAM installed. The only disadvantage is,that you have to scroll the screen up and down via HELP and UNDO-key. The speed of redrawing the screen is ok,I think. But the big question is,if you need such a system,if you have a Atari St... Greetings,Carsten >-- >John Janssen Email: johnj@echo.philips.nl >The Netherlands >Work: +31 40 756588 Atari Mega STE, MIDI, C-lab Notator and Unitor. >Home: +31 77 513177 Astro -Birth/Place/Date/Time you > you.doc -- Carsten Setje-Eilers 2300 Kiel Aschauweg 18a Germany uucp:carsten@seki.toppoint.sub.org zer:carsten@kbbs ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 02:12:16 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-stat e.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@arizona.edu (Len Stys) Subject: AT-ONCE 386sx To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a previous article, carsten@seki.toppoint.sub.org (Carsten Setje-Eilers) says: >larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) writes: > >> > >>From: johnj@echo.philips.nl (John Janssen) >>Subject: Re: MSDOS emulator with 386 >>Vortex ATonce-386SX > >Today I installed a Mega Ste-4 / ATonce-386sx- System. >Windows lookes very nice on it in VGA-Monochrome(hercules not so fine!). >The system had 512Kb-fast-RAM installed. >The only disadvantage is,that you have to scroll the screen up and down >via HELP and UNDO-key. The speed of redrawing the screen is ok,I think. > > >But the big question is,if you need such a system,if you have a Atari St... What do you mean you have to scroll the screen up and down? For what? > >Carsten Setje-Eilers 2300 Kiel Aschauweg 18a Germany >uucp:carsten@seki.toppoint.sub.org zer:carsten@kbbs > -- ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 91 18:59:02 GMT From: noao!asuvax!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!dlou@arizon a.edu (Dennis Lou) Subject: Atari 1040ST system for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Posting for a friend... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= For sale (PRICE REDUCED): Atari 1040STf system Amiga 1084D color monitor (with adapter) -sometimes the speaker pops and goes out -otherwise in good condition Atari SM 124 monochrome monitor Star NX1000 printer -9pin dot matrix -120cps -friction/tractor feed -excellent condition Wico BOSS joystick -thumb trigger flightstick style Epyx joystick -handheld short stick style Power director -fits under monitor and switches power Lots of software $700 for everything Call Anson at 619 452 6018 (fast) or E-mail me here and I'll forward the message (slower). -- Dennis Lou || "But Yossarian, what if everyone thought that way?" dlou@ucsd.edu || "Then I'd be crazy to think any other way!" [backbone]!ucsd!dlou |+==================================================== dlou@ucsd.BITNET |Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak went to my high school. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 01:11:10 GMT From: sbcs.sunysb.edu!engws4.ic.sunysb.edu!mrose@nyu.arpa (Michael Rose) Subject: Atari Computers for sale. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu COMPUTERS FOR SALE!!! Atari Mega ST2 - 2 megabytes of memory. - TOS 1.4 - Tweety Board installed. - Front mounted OVERSCAN toggle switch. Best Offer!!! Atari 520ST - 2 SF354 Disk drives - 1 SM124 Monochrome monitor (Monitor has slight imperfection in plastic housing on left-hand side) $275 + shipping. Atari 520ST - 1 SF354 disk drive. $175 + shipping. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Please respond via E-mail if interested or have any questions. We can work out pick up or shipping if necessary. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 06:08:32 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@tcgould.tn.cornell. edu (Warwick Allison) Subject: help running oxyd To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <1991Sep10.030033.27447@cs.sfu.ca> wolfgang@cs.sfu.ca (Wolfgang Jung) writes: >In article <3552@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes: >>wolfgang@cs.sfu.ca (Wolfgang Jung) writes: >> >> 1. It doesn't work from the auto folder >Hmm my version does (Which is not from a.a) >> 2. It says the rest - in German (though this is fair enough) >Hmm, (my last play was 6 Month ago) I was thinking it had a switch >for the language. Could you hear the SOUND ? >Anyway you can ONLY play till Level 10 on Level 11 there are special >Pieces in your Way which need to be removed by a keysequence, which itself >can only be retrieved from the above mentioned book. (I think the company >called it dongleware.) Well, that sounds fair enough. Would someone with a working copy upload it to atari.archive, or someone who retrieved a working copy form a.a please step forward. Eager, Thanks -- _-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au / * <-- Computer Science Department, \_.-._/ University of Queensland, v Brisbane, AUSTRALIA. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 91 15:55:03 +0100 From: "G.J. Baker" Subject: Internal Clock To: Info-Atari16 <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu> People rushing out to buy the Dallas Semiconductor SmartWatch DS1216E should be aware that it is a 28 PIN device ie for 256K ROMs. The 32 PIN device has the part number DS1216F, however the data sheet for the latter indicates that the calling sequence is identical and so the boot program SHOULD (???) work but when I tried to run it on my 1024 STe it hung with two bombs (!!). When the 32 PIN device that I have ordered arrives I'll post my experience. Regards Gareth J.Baker JANET:gge@uk.ac.dl.cxa | Post: S.E.R.C., Internet:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu | Daresbury Laboratories, EARN/BITNET:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@UKACRL | Warrington, WA4 4AD, UUCP:gge%cxa.dl.ac.uk@ukc.uucp | U.K. | Tel: +44 0925 603586 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 91 19:29:01 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!fo rnax!wolfgang@arizona.edu (Wolfgang Jung) Subject: Looking for term program... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep10.132435.3521@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: > >BTW, last I heard UniTerm v2.0e edit 14 was the newest version, but >I think Howard Chu (was it Howard?) has a version which he updated >himself to sort out some of the well-known eccentricities of the >program. Where can I get this Version ?? -- Note: Please Use woju@cs.sfu.ca as Address after Monday the 9th Sept After 25th Sept mail to woju@mist.sub.org ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 05:09:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!acsu.bu ffalo.edu!ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu!v053qhyx@arizona.edu (Jeremy A Berger) Subject: Printer To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi... I have a quick question.. My panasonic printer has finally died on me.. I loved the panasonic Kxp1091 but it was slow and noisy.. I'm trying to decide which printer to buy instead. I've been told that cannons ink jet printers are as good as/better than HP's.. Considering the fact that I can get one of the portable Cannons for 350. I'm wondering If I should do it.. does anyone have any info on these printers or can anyone suggest another printer? I need it for writing papers and desktop publishing. I honestly feel that in the next year or so my ST will be "gotten rid of " to make way for an IBM.. so I need the printer to also work with the IBM.. well ... Thanx alot! Please E-mail me... Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 91 13:07:14 GMT From: areyes!admiral!slammy@uunet.uu.net (Dave Litchman) Subject: ST memory allocation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Then how does NeoDesk's Clipboard work? It's not truly a ramdisk, but it's not a physical disk either... admiral!slammy@uunet.uu.net (Dave Litchman) The Admiral's Public UNIX - Greenwich, CT - System Administrator: Doug Fields (HST/V32) 203-661-1279 - (PEP/V32) -2873 - (V32) -0450 - (V29/MNP6) -2967 ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 03:20:43 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!r jast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko) Subject: ST memory allocation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article slammy@admiral.uucp (Dave Litchman) writes: >Then how does NeoDesk's Clipboard work? It's not truly a ramdisk, but >it's not a physical disk either... > Hmm, I don't have Neodesk, but in playing with GEMINI, Gemini actually has a directory somewhere where files for the CLipboard go (along with the trashcan (NOT the thrashcan))... Robert Anisko rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 91 16:44:53 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!n00m4@uunet.uu.net (Dave Barratt) Subject: TeX help - what files? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Could someone please mail me details of what TeX files I need, and where I can get them from, in order to get it up and running on a 1 Meg ST and Epson compatible dot matrix printer. Cheers, Dave ********************************************************************* Dave Barratt JANET: D.B.Barratt@uk.ac.newcastle Computing Laboratory University of Newcastle upon Tyne UK " A spacers not a spacer till his trod vac " ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 12:32:12 GMT From: ads.com!pdel@decwrl.dec.com (Peter Delevoryas) Subject: Thanks to all for Help To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Thanks to all once again for helping a novice out. I got Sozobon set up and working fine. I really appreciate all the responses. It makes you feel good knowing that even simple questions get answered. And within a day! To any others like me reluctant to post for help; go for it! Hey, even Steve Yelvington (involved w/beta-testing and other stuff) wrote me! Okay, so I get excited easily. Happens when I come across free software. Thanks, Tony! Peter D. -- login name: L1-A In real life: Peter Delevoryas In any other life: a cheap imitation ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 00:03:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!un ixg.ubc.ca!geog.ubc.ca!peter@arizona.edu (Peter Jackson) Subject: tools for manipulating postscript files To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, does anyone know of any tools available which can be used to manipulate postscript figures? What I need to be able to do is read postscript plots and drawings created by a number of other packages, and to move and delete objects, combine images, scale and resize images, and anotate images with text (including greek symbols) and drawing. The program would have to be able to do this without losing resolution and would need to output another (encapsulated) postscript file which could subsequently be printed. Something which can run on an Atari ST would be great, but if anyone knows of anything which can do this on other platforms (PC, Sun sparcstation, SGI, Mac) it would be useful to me as well. I have tried packages on the sparcstation (Island Draw, Xfig and others), but they all had difficulty correctly reading complex postscript plots. If I am emailed responses, I would be pleased to post a summary. Thanks. -- ====================================================================== Peter L. Jackson | peter@geog.ubc.ca Atmospheric Science/Geography | usermeso@ubcmtsg.bitnet University of British Columbia | ph:(604)822-2269 fax:(604)822-6150 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 91 18:18:54 GMT From: fs7.ece.cmu.edu!crabapple.srv.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@sei.cmu.edu (Mark Choi) Subject: TT disk drive in GCR? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A friend of mine with a TT is having problems with the internal floppy drive. It works fine in Tos mode, but fails to read Mac disks while in GCR mode. It also flakes out with the superCharger. Atari claims there is no problem with the TT, and Gadgets claims that most of the time the TT should work, but there are some TT's with problems, which Atari denies. Anybody have any suggestions? thanks, mark ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 91 20:21:30 GMT From: noao!asuvax!gatech!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cunixf.cc.col umbia.edu!cunixb.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) Subject: TT disk drive in GCR? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi) writes: > > A friend of mine with a TT is having problems with the internal floppy >drive. It works fine in Tos mode, but fails to read Mac disks while in >GCR mode. It also flakes out with the superCharger. Atari claims there >is no problem with the TT, and Gadgets claims that most of the time the >TT should work, but there are some TT's with problems, which Atari >denies. Anybody have any suggestions? Well, Atari also denied that there were problems with DMA chips on some STe's which resulted in spurious disk errors. The bottom line is that they very often design products that are using components that are just barely in spec. When you cut down your margin of error too much, you get a lot of annoying problems like this. Why not take the machine in to a service center (is it still within the 90 day warranty?) and have it checked out? Cheers, Chris --------------+---------------------------------------------------------- Chris Mauritz |Homebrewing: The only hobby perfectly tailored for | anal retentive alcoholics. :-) --------------| (ripped off from someone on the net...) ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 01:32:51 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: TT disk drive in GCR? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article mc4c+@andrew.cmu.edu (Mark Choi) writes: > > A friend of mine with a TT is having problems with the internal floppy > drive. It works fine in Tos mode, but fails to read Mac disks while in > GCR mode. It also flakes out with the superCharger. Atari claims there > is no problem with the TT, and Gadgets claims that most of the time the > TT should work, but there are some TT's with problems, which Atari > denies. Anybody have any suggestions? > thanks, > mark Well a friend here found the same, so he Faxed Dave Small and was told that the it does Not work on the 'TT', and also found that the internal 'TT' hard Drive would not work.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 10 Sep 91 19:13:04 GMT From: bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Adam David) Subject: TT Unix / TT TOS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <3160@tamsun.TAMU.EDU> n160ao@tamuts.tamu.edu (Mark Lehmann) writes: >In article <3541@krafla.rhi.hi.is> adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David) writes: >> >>Is it possible yet in TT unix to set up a virtual ST machine. >>Wouldn't this be something for Atari to support? >>I really don't like the idea of the TT being either TOS or Unix but not >>both together. >> >It seems that most UNIX developers add a IBM emulator product that allows >UNIX users to access DOS on their UNIX machine. No one does a good job >at it. Since ST programs do not make use of the 68030 MMU, it is really easy to let the ST emulation run in an area of memory allocated through the MMU. The only tricky part is controlling hardware access. Obviously, if all hardware registers are shared between TOS and Unix, chaos would result from allowing both to access them freely. Therefore the TOS must either provide new bios routines for the emulation under Unix, or some form of mutual exclusion and/or value-storage must be performed on groups of hardware registers. In practice a combination of these two methods would probably make the best solution. IMHO there is little point in a machine which can run either TOS or Unix but not both together. How about it Atari? Or maybe our German friends will get there first. -- Adam David. (adamd@rhi.hi.is) ------------------------------ Date: 11 Sep 91 07:21:32 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!utrcu1!mi.el.utwente.nl!klamer@uunet.uu.net (Klamer Schutte) Subject: two bugs in PBMPLUS (ST-version) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <1991Sep5.141215.23888@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> lsmichae@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Lars Michael) writes: >All tools accept TAB, NEWLINE and SPACE as hard spaces this works >fine on UN*X systems (EOLN marker is one NEWLINE). But the ST >builds a EOLN by concatenation of two chars, CR *and* NEWLINE. Oops! Proper fix overhere is opening your (binary) files with file modes "rb" and "wb" instead of "r" and "w". This does the ST prevent from making \n from \r\n. Klamer -- Klamer Schutte Tel: +31-53-892786 Fax: +31-53-340045 Faculty of electrical engineering -- University of Twente, The Netherlands preferred: klamer@mi.el.utwente.nl SMTP: klamer@utelmi01.el.utwente.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 91 14:38:23 SST From: "S. Suthipuntha" Subject: UNZEROING THE HARD DISK To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello from Singapore, While trying to recover a crashed partition on my Megafile 44 (Syquest Remova- ble Hard disk) by zeroing the partitition with Atari AHDX 3.02 Hard disk Utili- ty program, I got the other good partition full of program zeroed. The direc- tory now shows 0 byte. However when I read the partition with DiskDoctor I can see that all data and FAT still there. I understand that zeroing the hard disk merely change few byte at boot sector without actually delete the data. I was able to recover the crashed Megafile 60 by running PC-Ditto by reformat- ing the hard disk to be able to boot it and then using the PC-Ditto to rebuild the hard disk with PCTOOLS. However the PC-Ditto give 'Devide Overflow' message when I try to access any Partition on Megafile 44. Running PCTools with SuperCharger seems OK and the PCtools'Rebuild.COM found many subdirectories and files but after finish running non of the files were recovered. Is there any way to reverse the zeroing process? Or is there a better way to recover the data from the removable hard disk? Any advice would be most appreciated. Many thanx in advance, Suthipuntha, School of Architecture, national University of Singapore AKISUJAR@NUSVM.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 21 Aug 91 12:20:45 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!swrinde!mips!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu Subject: WordPlus, WP, WUP, speed To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Clarence: I received your E-mail note and I am replying to both the note and your net posting. I have both WordPlus and WordPerfect (WP) on my TT. I have been using WordPlus for years and received 3.2 as soon as it was released. I have hardly used WP; I bought it to get around having to use Mass11 on our VAX network here (I intend to write in WP and run a convert utility). While WP is much more capable than WordPlus, the latter serves my needs better because I have simple needs. When I want to do something complex, I run either Calamus or Pagestream and do real DTP work. I had WordUP (WUP) for only a short time; I am an Atari dealer part time and I found that WUP crashed too much on my ST (had to remove all my accessories before I could get it to work the first time). The problem that you will face is when you use a word processor that has multiple fonts that cannot be downloaded to your HP LJ; you'll have to wait forever for outputs. Your files will be bitmapped and sent down the parallel port at a snail's pace. The HP LJ handshakes more slowly than any laser I have ever seen or used!!! At my day job I have an HP LJ with a Pacific Page postscript cartridge. Compared to my Atari SLM605 on my Mega 2 at home, the TT-HP LJ combination is a dog. Love my SLM605!!!; you should see it fly with Calamus. So, if your want to run a graphics based word processor, use postscript (without the PS cartridge, the TT-HP LJ system is even worse) or get a real laser; the SLM605. ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************