Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 8 Sep 91 Volume 91 : Issue 473 Today's Topics: 128K Mac ROMs for sale! Another weekly post by DCS COMPATABILITY (2 msgs) English Docs For Turbo Assembler GEMDOS and AES questions Gemini/Fonts Help! Strange Hard drive problems. Internal Clock letemfly Looking for term program... (2 msgs) monochrome adventures wanted Recent KA9q or other slfp tcp/ip wanted (2 msgs) subscribe Triangle Hard Disk Problem Where Okami English Docs? Yet Another Dead Mouse! Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Sep 91 21:15:46 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.edu!chuck@purdue.edu (Chuck Rickard) Subject: 128K Mac ROMs for sale! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a few sets of 128K Mac ROMs that I am selling for $175 each set. These work great in your Spectre 128/GCR carts! If interested, please contact me at the address below. Thanks! -- Chuck Rickard (chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 15:28:39 GMT From: mcsun!unido!opal!ripley@uunet.uu.net (Hans-Ch. Eckert) Subject: Another weekly post by DCS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep7.021950.9747@menudo.uh.edu> uace0@menudo.uh.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) writes: DC Drop DTR will drop the computer's RS232 DTR line for one second, then reassert the line. This should hangup any modem which is connected. Program suggested by James Faircloth. Well, that definately depends on the Modem's settings. Mine is configured to go into command-mode w/o hanging up, just as I prefer. I hate it having to redial, only because some programm hung up the machine. Greetings, RIPLEY -- Greetings from RIPLEY | D-1000 Berlin 30 | ripley@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de Hans-Christian Eckert | Regensburger Str. 2 | (ripley@tubopal.UUCP) Attention: My phone-# is changing 01-Jan-1991 ! s/246292/2186292/ ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 12:39:59 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: COMPATABILITY To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep7.001424.11117@colorado.edu> chuj@horton.Colorado.EDU (CHU JEFFREY) writes: > In article <1991Sep06.104427.566@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes: > >In article <1991Sep5.194408.9402@colorado.edu> chuj@horton.colorado.edu (CHU JEFFREY) writes: > > > >From what I have read the Best is a NEC 3D, most of the otheres you > >have to adjust them when to go from Colour to Mono, also have a look at > >the Dot Pitch, go for one thats 0.28 mm > > I would love to purchase the NEC 3D, but the monitor is $550.00, I just don't > wish to spend that much on a monitor that is interlaced at 1024x768. > I wonder what would .28mm do? the SONY 1304 HG is .25mm, if it only works > with a simple adjustment, I wouldn't mind as much, but just needed to know > if it is going to run with it. > TO HOWARD CHU, didn't you have a Panasync 1391? Did this monitor work > for both modes? (.31 mm I believe.) >> Thanks, > Jeff Well if the Dot pitch is better than 0.28 it could be OK in mono mode. Don't forget a lot of MutiScan type Monitors will not work down to the ST Colour mode as these are mainly VGA type monitors. I seen a lot of chaps complaining about the poor results of a lot of MutiSync monitors in the Mono Mode, not as sharp, and the need to fiddle each time when changing to mono. From what I have read you can have Sync problem with Sony monitors, but they can be fixed and the Acer was one of the worse for mono use. With the NEC 3D you can store your mono settings , so the next time you use it in mono mode there will be no adjustments, also all of the users of this monitor seem to rave about it when used with a ST.. I use a cheap TVM 11, I have to udjust the sceen each time, and it has only a 0.31 mm dot pitch, not that great for a lot of mono use.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 91 19:32:46 GMT From: amdcad!netcomsv!seitz@sun.com (Matthew Seitz) Subject: COMPATABILITY To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've been very happy with my Acer 7015 Multiscan and the IB Computers Multi-Switch. It took me very little time (< 30 minutes) to set the monitor up so it looks fine in color and monochrome. The mono is not as sharp as the SM124, but definitely good enough for me. -- Matthew Seitz seitz@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 91 00:00:00 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!unido!urmel!rwthinf!tornado!bara!wr@uunet.uu.net (Wolfram Roesler) Subject: English Docs For Turbo Assembler To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep1.093923.1188@ac.dal.ca> cordes@ac.dal.ca writes: > Markus_Fritz@hh2.maus.de. Can someone check if this is accurate Try: Markus_Fritze@hh2.maus.de ~ -- Bis dann, wa... \/\/olfram Wolfram Roesler Augustastr. 44-46 W-5100 Aachen Voice: +49 (241) 534596 ------------------------------ Date: 5 Sep 91 22:45:00 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!fub!dobag.in-berlin.de!nicedel!artcom0!hb.maus.de!m.maus.de!M artin_Gaeckler@uunet.uu.net (Martin Gaeckler) Subject: GEMDOS and AES questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi Annius, Here are some answers: > It seems to me that all OTHER text editors load files about > twice as fast as my program. I use one straight Fread(). Do 1. The fastest way loading a file is a straight forward Fread. You also might use Bios-calls to load a file *BUT* then you have to care about the file system and your program will fail if there is another file system instal- led (e.g. Network). Perhaps Your disk ist verey heavily fragmentated, this increases the time to load a file very seriously. > Does the ATARI AES send ANY WM_NEWTOP messages? I never seem to 2. The WM_NEWTOP message is sent to your program when *YOUR* window is new toped. You won't get a message when another window is opened or topped. Therefore you have to wait for a time event an look whether *YOUR* window is top or not. Hope this helps. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 17:35:13 GMT From: mcsun!unido!fuhainf!fuhainf2.fernuni-hagen.de!wessel@uunet.uu.net (Horst Wessel) Subject: Gemini/Fonts To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Robert J Anisko) writes: > > Okay, you are saying that Gemini can only use Monospaced fonts. > Now how can I tell the difference... > > Robert Anisko > rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu There is a Bit in the Fontheader, telling VDI, that a Font is Monospaced. It is Bit 3 in Byte 66-67 from start: Byte Number Description: 66-67 flags Bit 0 set if default system font Bit 1 set if hor. offset tables used Bit 2 byte-swap flag Bit 3 set if mono-spaced font. On a monospaced Font, all Characters are equal extent and there is no pointer to character offset table. Horst. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 91 12:28:33 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.c a!silvert@arizona.edu (Bill Silvert) Subject: Help! Strange Hard drive problems. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've just started having wierd hard-drive problems and am hoping that someone can help me diagnose them. These are the symptoms: * I try to open a directory and it shows as empty. * I try to copy a directory structure from floppy to hard drive and the copy stops after creating an empty directory. * On simple operations like copying or creating new folders I get an out-of-memory alert box. * I try to delete a file that appears in an open window but get an error message that the file doesn't exist. * Simple file operations sometimes cause a reboot. All of these problems can be temporarily cleared by rebooting. The system is a Mega-2 with TOS 1.2 and an 85-Meg Quantum hard drive from Supra. The problems started just after I installed and ran Flash 1.6, but I have no idea how that could be the source of the problems. The problems first showed up when I was copying software from floppies onto my hard drive (I bought Flash and Cyber-Studio and was installing them). Any ideas? I don't know whether to reformat, repair the HD, check system memory, or whatever -- and there is no knowledgible local dealer. -- William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2. Tel. (902)426-1577 InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 12:16:04 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Shep pard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Internal Clock To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <67@oasis.icl.co.uk> jas@oasis.icl.co.uk (Jason Morris) writes: > > Can anyone recommend a good internal clock for an STe? I've seen the external > Forget-Me-Clock II which is quite nice, but I'd prefer something a little less > intrusive. > Any opinions/ideas gratefully accepted, and prices (pref.UK) would be > appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Jason Morris. Well I would like to get one of those Datel , Key Board ones, 24 Pounds, at least that don't use up the Cartridge Port and can be used when you are not runing your hard drive, Plus they don't need software to drive it.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 4 Sep 91 00:07:12 GMT From: mcsun!unido!urmel!rwthinf!tornado!bara!wr@uunet.uu.net (Wolfram Roesler) Subject: letemfly To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article lahtinen@gideon.gideon.fmi.fi (Kimmo Lahtinen) writes: (Sender was: usenet@nic.funet.fi) (about LetEmFly) > I tried to use this program, and it is very nice. The problem is that > it does not work very long before it goes hanky panky. I have not have > time to test is there an ACC which it did't like or what. > > Have someone tried this program? I did. It works *great*, it's really an ingenious piece of software. No, I don't have any problems with it, and never had. You really should check your auto folder prgs and accs for collision, and maybe send an email to the author if you found something. The docs may give you a Maus net adress, it's easy to convert to Usenet: Adam Atari @ ABC becomes Adam_Atari@abc.maus.de Simply write an underscore between 1st and 2nd name and add '.maus.de' after the city code. This should help with many german programs since the Maus net is the most popular net in Germany. -- Bis dann, wa... \/\/olfram Wolfram Roesler Augustastr. 44-46 W-5100 Aachen Voice: +49 (241) 534596 ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 91 10:13:51 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Rog er.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Looking for term program... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep7.054831.9958@mailer.cc.fsu.edu> boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu writes: > In article <30955@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU>, EINSTEIN%oak.decnet@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes: > >Hello out in ST-netland! I own a 1040 ST, and just purchased a modem, but I > >don't have any term software. Can anyone > > > >a) tell me what kind of commercial software is the best, or > >b) tell me an ftp site where I can obtain some software. > > > > The most powerful package is Uniterm, available free from > atari.archive.umich.edu. The easiest to use is Flash 1.6, from Antic ( > I use both. There is also STalker, which has seen some good reviews here on > the net (I have not seen/used this one). I really like the user interface > that Flash provides, but it does not include Kermit. For those occasions > when I need this capability, I use Uniterm. >> Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear > FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down > Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." > email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | > ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Antic use to advertise a Kermit Option for Flash, but I don't know if its posible to still get it .. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 91 18:18:50 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-stat e.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!at731@arizona.edu (Troy L. Nothnagel) Subject: Looking for term program... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a previous article, Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) says: >Antic use to advertise a Kermit Option for Flash, but I don't know >if its posible to still get it .. Using Flash's 'execute' function, you can run any .TOS, .TTP or .PRG that isn't mouse driven. (For some reason it likes to block out the mouse.) Anyway, it is very easy to use with external protocols. For example, I have a macro setup that will auto-zmodem to a download folder on my H:\ partition. -- Troy L. Nothnagel at731@cleveland.Freenet.Edu "And for a gorilla, his English wasn't half bad." - Den of Earth "No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!" - Guard, MP&tHG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 91 16:19:58 MEZ From: Wolfgang Ley Subject: monochrome adventures wanted To: Atari ST users forum Hi ppl, i am a great fan of adventures. Is there someone out, who has good PD-monochrome-adventures? I would like to get/change some prgs. Please send replies to my address, not to the list. Thanks,bye Wolfgang. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wolfgang Ley e-mail: Teichstrasse 9 from BITNET : BWWL@DCZTU1.BITNET 3392 Clausthal-Zellerfeld from Internet: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de Tel. 05323/82132 (voice) or BWWL@sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 01:04:22 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!wsu-cs!wsu-eng.eng.w ayne.edu!soderg@arizona.edu (Jason Sodergren) Subject: Recent KA9q or other slfp tcp/ip wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a ver. of ka9q that supports slfp from '87; does anyone know of a more recent ver. of ka9q or other tcp/ip software for the ST that supports slfp? -jason sodergren, soderg@ss0.eng.wayne.edu .sig.sig.sig -- /-------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | soderg@ss0.eng.wayne.edu (Jason Sodergren) voice:313-972-5932 | | 'word falling- photo falling- calling partisans of all nations- | \____breakthrough in grey room - towers, open fire' -w.s.burroughs________/ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Sep 91 21:18:55 GMT From: mtu.edu!mjo@uunet.uu.net (Mike O'Connor) Subject: Recent KA9q or other slfp tcp/ip wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Sep7.010422.10461@cs.wayne.edu> soderg@wsu-eng.eng.wayne.edu (Jason Sodergren) writes: :I have a ver. of ka9q that supports slfp from '87; does anyone know of :a more recent ver. of ka9q or other tcp/ip software for the ST that :supports slfp? Along with a lot of ST stuff, a newer version of KA9Q can be found at atari.archive.umich.edu for anonymous ftp. If you're calling using the Merit network, note that you can use the PPP protocol rather than SLFP and get a significant speed increase due to the header compression of PPP. Mike O'Connor | "THE END IS NIGH" NIC Database: MJO17 | Internet: mjo@mtu.edu | -The Watchmen UUCP: ...!ttardis!mjo | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1991 12:38 EDT From: Licensed to Pull Subject: subscribe To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu subscribe ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 23:28:38 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!warwick!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!elmar@uunet.uu.net (Mohammad A. Rahin) Subject: Triangle Hard Disk Problem To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This article though distributed worldwide is primarily for the UK readers. Apology to those who are offended/annoyed. My friend bought a used Mega 2 that came with a mono monitor & a Triangle 40 MB Soft Innovation Hard disk. This is a autobooting type harddisk. On bootup the following sign-on messages appear. Traingle turbo drive PCML Ltd. Ver 1.2Er Room Boot RGH 12/9/88. * (This is a British made product) The drive works ok in ST mode. Next, my friend tried to install Spectre/128 system (V 1.9 Copyright 1988)that he bought quite long time when it was first introduced in the UK. He made five partitions. The first three are ST & the rest 2 are Spectre partitions. However, the Spectre program fails to recognise the hard disk & could not find any partitions at all. The main problem we have is that we could not find any manual for the hard rive. However, the diskutility programs are there. The Harddisk utility & also a read.me file says that the drive is set at SCSI physical device no 7. Under Spectre we tried all possible SCSI device nos. with no result. We seek help. If any reader of this newsgroup have any experience with this hard drive or this particular problem, please send e-mail to Y.C.Wong@uk.ac.lut -> from within UK. Y.C.Wong@lut.ac.uk -> from outside UK. - Rahin N.B. What is the latest version of the Spectre software that goes with Spectre/128 ? ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 01:41:20 GMT From: mcsun!unido!urmel!rwthinf!tornado!bara!wr@uunet.uu.net (Wolfram Roesler) Subject: Where Okami English Docs? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <35668@hydra.gatech.EDU> iadt3tb@prism.gatech.EDU (T. Terrell Banks) writes: > I want to use the Okami shell for a while. I can't figure out from > guessing at the German documentation and the English help file how to > establish an alias. The format that I use on the unix boxes at work > doesn't seem to work. > Therefore: 1. Did the English documentation for Okami ever get > created? If so, where can I find it; I've missed > it if this got mentioned on the network. > 2. Can I set up an alias in the Okami shell? If so, > how? Hi, I have begun writing an English documentation but I haven't completed it yet. It's just too much... there is a doc file explaining some principal stuff like setting up, variables, functions and some commands. If you're interested, send me a mail. The problem about aliases is that Okami resembles the Bourne Shell which does not have an alias system like the C shell. So, in Okami you must simulate an alias by an appropriate shell function. If, say, you want lc to become an alias for "ls -C", type lc() { !ls -C $* } This can be done by the build-in alias command which does just the same thing, so you could as well say: alias lc ls -C When redefining internal commands be sure to use the "!": alias ls ls -C will recurse infinitely (since the shell function always calls itself), alias ls !ls -C will do the job (!ls always calls the internal ls regardless of shell functions). Remember that the alias command simply initialises a simple shell function and has nothing to do with the csh alias. If you wish to arrange a name for an executable file not on the PATH, better use the hash command, so: hash nn c:/uucp/bin/nn.prg will call c:/uucp/bin/nn.prg whenever nn is typed, even if c:/uucp/bin is not in the PATH. This has (almost) the same effect as alias nn c:/uucp/bin/nn.prg but runs faster (since no shell function needs to be called). By the way, the next Okami version will be out soon, having a real line editor (hooray) and being compiled with TurboC, so the ttp is 40 KB shorter. -- Bis dann, wa... \/\/olfram Wolfram Roesler Augustastr. 44-46 W-5100 Aachen Voice: +49 (241) 534596 ------------------------------ Date: 7 Sep 91 22:53:26 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!fub!lime.in-berlin.de!techno@uunet.uu.net (Techno) Subject: Yet Another Dead Mouse! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu mingliu@athena.mit.edu (Minghsun Liu) writes: [...] >Anyway, the point of this post is that I am fed up with Atari-made mouse >and am looking any suggestions on other third-party mouse. >Many thanx in advance. Try Logitech's Pilot Mouse. Works great. Techno -- | techno@zelator.in-berlin.de ||| Please do not e-mail from outside Germany ! | | techno@lime.in-berlin.de / | \ Hardcore ST user ! ====================== | | Nothing that's real is ever for free, you just have to pay for it sometime. | | (Al Stewart) | ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************