Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 31 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 458 Today's Topics: ATARI ST <--> IBM PC diskformat dbMAN V v 5.2 w/compiler drawing lines with uniterm vt100 emulation FOR SALE: Mega ST4 system Gulam problems [was Re: long input lines unde Gulam problems [was Re: long input lines under Gulam] How do I disable Control-C? Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #456 (2 msgs) Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #457 RAM disks for Mega4/ste??? Spectre 256k ROM support (was: System 7 and Spectre GCR) STart magazine ST games ST magazines TeX -- uhhg! Tos 2.0x coming to an STf(m) near you... NOT! TT Unix / TT TOS Weekly Posting of New Stuff Whoooooooooooo Atari! YG modem (2 msgs) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 91 19:08:20 MEZ From: Wolfgang Ley Subject: ATARI ST <--> IBM PC diskformat To: Atari ST users forum Hi, The easiest way to be compatible with PC is to format your ST-disks in a DOS-Format. There are many programs doing that (test atari.archive) e.g. DCFORMAT or the PD-Copy-Prg FCOPY (the best, I think). Bye, Wolfgang. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wolfgang Ley e-mail: Teichstrasse 9 from BITNET : BWWL@DCZTU1.BITNET 3392 Clausthal-Zellerfeld from Internet: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de Tel. 05323/82132 (voice) or BWWL@sun.rz.tu-clausthal.de --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 91 00:38:50 GMT From: noao!ncar!unmvax!uokmax!kllove@arizona.edu (Kenneth L Love) Subject: dbMAN V v 5.2 w/compiler To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm wondering just how compatible this program is with dbXL. If I use a subset of commands that are common to dBASE III+, IV, and dbXL then just how likely are programs developed for these programs likely to work with dbMAN? Vice versa? Anybody know if 5.2 is the latest version of dbMAN? How buggy is dbMAN? Oh yeah, what about databases created in one system or the other? Will I be able to convert them between dbMAN and dbXL formats or are they the same? Is a hard drive required? I have two DS/DD drives and 2 Megs of RAM on a color system. Is this sufficient? I'm looking for a better price than $168 (US dollars, of course). Any one know of a mail order place that could beat this (Name and #, please)? adTHANKSvance, Kenneth Love ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 91 01:08:03 GMT From: wpg!linda@uunet.uu.net (Linda Guidry) Subject: drawing lines with uniterm vt100 emulation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is there a sequence of characters (and a graphics character set) for drawing boxes with uniterm's vt100 emulator? I've been fiddling around with this all day and haven't been able to get anything to work. Thanks in advance. :-) -- Linda Guidry, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000 linda@wpg.com uunet!wpg!linda ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 17:19:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!mint aka!spdcc!dirtydog.ima.isc.com!ispd-newsserver!psinntp!rodan.acs.syr.edu!dinapo li@arizona.edu (Ron DiNapoli) Subject: FOR SALE: Mega ST4 system To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu FOR SALE: Mega 4 CPU Supra 30MB Hard Drive SM124 Monochrome Monitor SLM804 Laser Printer Panasonic 1080 printer Okidata OKIMATE20 Color thermal transfer printer Mark Williams C 3.0.8 Mark Williams CSD Microsoft Write Flash UltraScript (For the SLM804 Laser Printer) The Laser Printer is only on it's second toner cartridge. LaTeX is installed on the hard drive, but may not be the most recent version.... Asking Price is $1500 for everything, I will consider selling separately if most of the system is taken. Ron D. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 22:08:14 GMT From: bonnie.concordia.ca!IRO.UMontreal.CA!matrox!uvm-gen!griffin!pegram@uunet.uu.net (Robert B. Pegram) Subject: Gulam problems [was Re: long input lines unde To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Roger Sheppard asked: >> >>Can you tell me if POOLFIX3 is needed with TOS1.6 or 1.62. ? Alan Pratt replied: >> >Yes. Here it is: >> >[ uuencoded POOLFIX deleted] Then Julian Reschke asked: >> Umpf? Wasn't this fixed in GEMDOS 0x1700 (0.17) in TOS 1.62????? Now Roger sez: > That was the reason that I posted my Arcticle in the First place, > Atari will not state if TOS 1.62 needs Poolfix, I would like a clear > statement from Atari on this.. > > I do know of otheres that have asked this on GEnie and never got a strait > answer.. I add: Well, Poolfix3 and Claus Brod's version won't install on my TOS 1.62 machine, and it prints a message that the machine doesn't need the fix. Just remember, such free info is worth what you paid for it 8-). (My apologies to those who pay for their news feed). Bob Pegram pegram@{griffin,kira,newton,sadye}.uvm.edu or .!uunet!uvm-gen!pegram ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 09:44:57 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Gulam problems [was Re: long input lines under Gulam] To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <91239.114718ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET> writes: > In article <3031@atari.UUCP>, apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) says: > > > >Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes: > >>Can you tell me if POOLFIX3 is needed with TOS1.6 or 1.62. ? > > > >Yes. Here it is: > >[ uuencoded POOLFIX deleted] > > Umpf? Wasn't this fixed in GEMDOS 0x1700 (0.17) in TOS 1.62????? > ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ > Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 > fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) > ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ That was the reason that I posted my Arcticle in the First place, Atari will not state if TOS 1.62 needs Poolfix, I would like a clear statement from Atari on this.. I do know of otheres that have asked this on GEnie and never got a strait answer.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 91 08:38:46 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!apss!ersys!mforget@arizona .edu (Michel Forget) Subject: How do I disable Control-C? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello. I have been learning the C programming language for about four weeks now, using C Primer Plus. I wanted to learn because I could make faster, more efficient code with C. Unfortunately, one problem is still dogging me. In all of my programs that use text output functions, pressing control-C during an output causes the entire program to terminate. THIS IS ANNOYING! How do I prevent this from happening? The functions I use are: getchar() putc(character, file) getc(file) These are the only three I used for input and output. Quote Of The Day: "If I had a gun..." << ---------------------------------- >> << ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >> << mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >> << Michel Forget >> << "He's dead, Jim..." - Bones >> << ---------------------------------- >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 91 12:52 BST From: A rather odd young man Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #456 To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 91 12:58 BST From: A rather odd young man Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #456 To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Unless I am mistaken Virgin Mastertronic is located at : Virgin Mastertronic Ltd 16 Portland Road London W11 UK. PS: Please could anyone tell me if there is any reason why not to get a Mega STE (I do not have USENET access so please reply to below). ******************************************************************************* * Neil Ellis * Ken Thompson was once asked, "If you were re- * * York University * designing UNIX what would you do differently?" * * socs142@uk.ac.york.vaxa * He replied, "I'd spell creat with an e." * * (0904) 412606 * - Life With UNIX (a guide for everyone) * ******************************************************************************* * Or from Internet : socs142%vaxa.york.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk * ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 91 13:34 CST From: "Come to the Offworld colonies..." Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #457 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Questions, so many questions.... I just bought a brand new 520 STE with Tos 1.62 and 2 megs and I have a few problems... My hard drive (a Toadfile with ICD host and software) will not auto boot from a cold reset. That is, I can't turn on the Hard drive and then turn on the STE and have the hard drive auto boot. What I have to do is boot up the STE wait till I get to the desktop, thenturn on the hard drive and then do a warm reset (which, I will admit, is kinda fun on an STE). Is there any way I can fix this problem? Also, is there bettersoftware around that I should be using instead? One more thing... Is there anyway of getting the fantasia demo to work with Tos 1.6? I get a message saying "needs an STE to run". What other STE demos are "must haves"? Thanks, Brook Bakay Bakay1b@ureginav.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 19:19:19 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!eastapps!eastnews!gaudreau@ariz ona.edu (Joe Gaudreau {Dances with PostScript}) Subject: RAM disks for Mega4/ste??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Are there any RAM disks that *work* on a Mega4/Ste? I've tried a couple, and they lock the machine up quite nicely! I remember something about the Mark Williams version being fixed to run properly but can't find the reference. Pointers to atari.archive would be welcome. Thanx. Joe -=- ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 16:49:57 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!oakhill!carroll@arizona.edu (Charlie Carroll) Subject: Spectre 256k ROM support (was: System 7 and Spectre GCR) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Speaking of Spectre and Roms. I have a spectre GCR but need to find the 128k Roms. Anyone have a spare set they would like to part with for a reasonable price. If so, please reply email or call 512-288-6358. thanks, charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 91 13:41 EDT From: "MARC L. APPELBAUM" <@RIDER.BITNET:MARC%WISDOM@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU> Subject: STart magazine To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anybody know what happened to START? I haven't received a copy of it in a few months. Did they stop publishing??? Marc L. Appelbaum, User Services Rider College Computer and Info Services BITNET:MARC@RIDER INTERNET:MARC@RIDER.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 12:14:42 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!spider!raft.spider.co.uk!peterw@uunet.uu.net (Peter Woodhouse) Subject: ST games To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is this the correct forum for discussing games software for the ST or is their a more appropriate group? Peter Woodhouse. -- Spider Systems Limited E-mail: peterw@spider.co.uk Spider Park, Stanwell Street Phone : +44 31 554 9424 Edinburgh, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 20:09:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!udel!haven.umd.edu!cs.wvu.wvnet.edu!cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu!ms@ariz ona.edu (Mark Starvaggi) Subject: ST magazines To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Are there any good ST magazines still being published in the U.S., and if so does anyone have an address or phone number for them? Mark (internet: ms@cerc.wvu.wvnet.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 15:21:40 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!portal!atari!kbad@arizona.edu (Ken Badertscher) Subject: TeX -- uhhg! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu marc@hemlock.cray.com (Marc Bouron) writes: |-x isn't valid for zoo when it gets folded to uppercase! This is what the Atari |.TTP dialog will do. Yet Another Reason To Get A TOS Upgrade (hereafter referred to by me as YARTGATU) -- ||| Ken Badertscher (ames!atari!kbad) ||| Atari Corp. System Software Engine / | \ #include ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 08:39:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!midway!linac!uwm.edu!rpi!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!h agbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@arizona.edu (Adam David) Subject: Tos 2.0x coming to an STf(m) near you... NOT! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In mathew@mantis.co.uk (Kernel Mustered) writes: >aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes: >> What Atari needs now is a computer designed for multi-media. >> This computer should also share the graphics and sound of the Jaguar. >> It needs to have a high-density drive (1.44 or higher). [and a whole lot of other sensible wishes] >> The computer needs to capability of running IBM software. >> It needs to be built to accept changes and future technology. >I agree with everything you say except for the bit about IBM software. >Allow third parties to built PC emulators, but don't drag the machine down >to the level of just another PC clone. Build something with a 68030 or >an 88000 in it. I'm sure Len was not suggesting that Atari make a Super-Clone of the PC variety. What I see is that Atari builds something which can run all the PC software but is not a DOS machine. I would go further in saying that Atari ought to make a machine/OS combo which can run all Unix software without requiring a constant ongoing effort with porting it. This ought definitely not be just another Unix machine. Let's see some brand new hardware with a brand new OS that shows some real innovation. TOS, GEM and 8086-DOSBIOS emulation would be included by Atari, with a PC bus available as an optional extra, MacOS and AmigaDos etc. would be available from 3rd party developers - All of these supplied only as compatibility options. Yes, I hate Intel processors too. However, sometimes I have no choice and have to run software which was written for a DOS machine. It is important to me, that I can run whatever software I like on a machine which I don't have to be ashamed of. I would rather run DOS software on a decent piece of equipment than on a DOS doorstop which can do nothing else. The latest Intel-based machines are IMHO expensive junk on a dead-alley leading nowhere. Look back (business world) after another 10 years, there'll be plenty of surprises. -- Adam David. (adamd@rhi.hi.is) ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 13:03:17 GMT From: bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Adam David) Subject: TT Unix / TT TOS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I was wondering... Is it possible yet in TT unix to set up a virtual ST machine. Wouldn't this be something for Atari to support? I really don't like the idea of the TT being either TOS or Unix but not both together. Someone in the know, please enlighten us. -- Adam David. (adamd@rhi.hi.is) ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 91 08:20:28 GMT From: umich!terminator!usenet@yale.arpa (Atari Archive Robot) Subject: Weekly Posting of New Stuff To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu drwxrwxr-x daemon 1024 Aug 26 12:38 . drwxrwxr-x jon 1024 Aug 26 12:32 ./editors -rw-rw-r-- weiner 141429 Aug 26 12:31 ./editors/oribin.zoo -rw-rw-r-- weiner 3987 Aug 26 12:31 ./editors/oridiff.zoo -rw-rw-r-- weiner 246589 Aug 26 12:31 ./editors/origami.tar.Z -rw-r--r-- weiner 1895 Aug 26 12:34 ./editors/Index drwxrwxr-x jon 1536 Aug 26 06:45 ./demos drwxrwxr-x jon 6144 Aug 26 07:19 ./utilities drwxrwxr-x jon 2560 Aug 26 06:50 ./magazines/streport -rw-r--r-- weiner 49774 Aug 26 06:50 ./magazines/streport/str734.txt.Z drwxrwxr-x jon 2048 Aug 26 06:51 ./magazines/znet -rw-r--r-- weiner 29952 Aug 26 06:51 ./magazines/znet/znet9135.txt.Z drwxrwxr-x weiner 1024 Aug 26 07:58 ./applications/math drwxrwxr-x jon 1024 Aug 26 07:00 ./gnustuff drwxrwxr-x jon 2560 Aug 26 06:59 ./gnustuff/tos drwxrwxr-x gray 512 Aug 26 06:55 ./gnustuff/tos/lib/src -rw-r--r-- weiner 487262 Aug 26 06:55 ./gnustuff/tos/lib/src/libsrc72.zoo drwxrwxr-x gray 512 Aug 26 06:56 ./gnustuff/tos/include/bin -rw-rw-r-- weiner 123847 Aug 26 06:56 ./gnustuff/tos/include/bin/incbin72.zoo drwxrwxr-x weiner 512 Aug 26 06:59 ./gnustuff/tos/gawk -rw-rw-r-- weiner 175199 Aug 26 06:59 ./gnustuff/tos/gawk/gawk213b.zoo -rw-rw-r-- weiner 272825 Aug 26 06:59 ./gnustuff/tos/gawk/gawk213s.zoo -rw-r--r-- weiner 33184 Aug 26 07:09 ./gnustuff/Index -rw-rw-r-- weiner 108356 Aug 26 12:35 ./Index drwxrwxr-x swood 512 Aug 26 07:34 ./portfolio drwxrwxr-x swood 512 Aug 26 07:38 ./portfolio/applications drwxrwxr-x swood 512 Aug 26 07:41 ./portfolio/bootstrap -rw-rw-r-- swood 178876 Aug 26 07:41 ./portfolio/bootstrap/pf-bootstrap-v1.0a.tar.Z -rw-rw-r-- swood 179389 Aug 26 07:41 ./portfolio/bootstrap/pf-bootstrap-v1.1a.tar.Z drwxrwxr-x swood 512 Aug 26 07:42 ./portfolio/demos drwxrwxr-x swood 512 Aug 26 07:47 ./portfolio/games drwxrwxr-x swood 512 Aug 26 07:39 ./portfolio/archivers drwxrwxr-x swood 512 Aug 26 07:49 ./portfolio/graphics drwxrwxr-x weiner 512 Aug 26 12:38 ./admin lrwxrwxrwx weiner 7 Aug 26 12:38 ./admin/Bart.help.file -> ../Help -rw-rw-r-- weiner 50454 Aug 26 12:35 ./CompInd.Z drwxrwxr-x daemon 1024 Aug 28 13:46 . drwxrwxr-x jon 4608 Aug 28 13:44 ./games -rw-rw-r-- weiner 8995 Aug 28 13:45 ./games/Index -rw-r--r-- weiner 87920 Aug 28 13:44 ./games/espredit.lzh -rw-rw-r-- weiner 108397 Aug 28 13:46 ./Index -rw-rw-r-- weiner 50484 Aug 28 13:46 ./CompInd.Z ------------------------------ Date: 30 Aug 91 12:11:19 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!natinst!glens@arizona.edu (Glen Sescila) Subject: Whoooooooooooo Atari! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Lets applaud Atari for the X-Control panel, a most excellent utility that I recommend everyone who runs the desktop have. Now what I would like to see is TOS 2.xx or 3.xx available for at least the STE if it's not possible to have on an ST. Atari??? are you listening? can we get a word from you on this subject? I think many customers would be ready and willing to get the newest desktop. Thanks, -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer and probably are exact opposites. glens@natinst.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 91 06:20:29 GMT From: lll-winken!aunro!ersys!mforget@uunet.uu.net (Michel Forget) Subject: YG modem To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu baffoni@aludra.usc.edu (Juxtaposer) writes: > I had a question about MNP5 and V.42bis. These are just two different > data compression algortithms that are implemented in some modem's hardware, > right? If so, would it be possible to write a file-transfer program that > implements these algorithms so that non-MNP5/V.42bis modems can transfer at t > same rate (if they have the same base bps of course - you can't expect a 2400 > bps modem to transfer at the same rate as a 9600MNP5/V.42bis, but you can hop > to get the same through-put as a 2400MNP5/V.42bis). This means that the > program would have to be run on both ends (encode/decode), but is it workable > not to mention possible. Yes, what you are suggesting is possible and has been done. The program was released some time last year, and I think it was called TURBO2 or something close to that. It used a common compression routine to compress data as it was being sent and to uncompress it on the other end. It had one drawback, though. It wouldn't work with REAL modems with the compression. You had to have two stock, plain, modems to use it. A modem with the special hardware compression would not work with a modem with the software compression (it wouldn't do any compression, I mean). I never used the program, since none of the boards I called used it. It was an interesting idea, though. Hardware compression is better though, since it tends to give you better compression (faster, too). << ---------------------------------- >> << ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >> << mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >> << Michel Forget >> << "He's dead, Jim..." - Bones >> << ---------------------------------- >> ------------------------------ Date: 31 Aug 91 13:42:18 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard) Subject: YG modem To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes: > dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes: > > > Your Zmodem problem is probably easily fixed. Timeouts during uploads > > but not during downloads almost always indicate a disparity between > > what the modem thinks the flow control is set to and what the terminal > > program thinks the flow control is set to. Make sure your terminal > > program is not doing flow control of its own. Try setting flow control > > to OFF and see if your uploads work without hanging. > > > > I had the same problem with my 9600 baud modem; getting the parameters > > right fixed the problem. I highly recommend the ports of sz and rz for > > the ST. I believe they were done by Bammi, but please correct me if > > I'm wrong. In any case, I've found them to be more robust that xyz.ttp > > and easier for batch transfers. Works like a charm! > > > > Dave Baggett > > dmb@wam.umd.edu > > I am using the newer ports of RZ and SZ by Roy Bixler. They have > functioned flawlessly right up until I got my new modem. My terminal > program is Interlink, or DTerm, and I have both set to use Flow control. > DTerm isn't too specific about flow control (either it is on or off) but > Interlink is set to RTS/CTS. I'll try your suggestion and see what > happens, but then what do I do when I am online? A buffer overflow > doesn't look pretty, and always changing the flow control might be a > pain. I could have the modem use Xon/Xoff, perhaps? > > Thanks for the information. > > > << ---------------------------------- >> > << ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >> > << mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >> > << Michel Forget >> > << "He's dead, Jim..." - Bones >> > << ---------------------------------- >> I don't think you can use Xon/Xoff flow control, with Program File transfers, only with Text... -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************