Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 20 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 446 Today's Topics: Atari CD-ROM? Atari Show - how much? Ethernet Help HP Printers on my Atari MIDInet packing gcc etc Problems using Overscan with SM125 ST reset problem - HELP! TeX troubles (2 msgs) Tos 2.0x coming to an STf(m) near you! TT-UNIX TT high end software v_opnwk call (was Dialog Boxes) Version VIP Professional Why not a universal extrac Word Up? Word Perfect? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Aug 91 16:00:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.ed u!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!hh.maus.de!Laurenz_Pruessner@ariz ona.edu (Laurenz Pruessner) Subject: Atari CD-ROM? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Neil Forsyth neil%cs.hw.ac.uk @ SUB wrote on 13.08.91 09:06 >If some third party developers have done this then I would not consider it an >official upgrade. Official upgrades come from Atari with Atari documentation >and do not get removed when you send your machine to Atari for repair. >Any idea about what the German develpoers did to make it work? I am one of the developers, I did the software-modifications. YES, the modified TOS 2.05 runs fine on any ST and YES, TOS is copyrighted by Atari. We should instantly stop talking about a project that is not yet finished. We're looking forward to meeting Atari on the Atari Fair in Dusseldorf and we'll have lots of things to discuss that should not be discussed in the public before. Maybe we can say more about all of this in a week. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1991 10:33 +0200 From: Milan Adamov Subject: Atari Show - how much? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >>One other question, why does a TT cost almost as much as a decent Mac >>in the UK while in Germany its almost a 1000 pounds cheaper? >Rumors says that Atari earns half it's money here in Germany. This might >be the reason. Around 90% of my countrymen ST owners bought their ST's in Germany. I don't know exact figures, but I figure that should be between 5000 and 7000 ST's. Reson for buying computers outside the country is pure savings. Until the year ago it was cheaper to: make one night drive to Munich, make one day shopping there and buy ST among other things, make one night drive back, pay customs at the border than to buy ST from official YU dealer here. Now, add the price for about 150 litres of gas, 30DM for autobahn cost in Austria and 30% of the machine price to the ST's price in Germany and that is the cost. I know that this is just a drop in the sea, but ... Milan /****************************************************************************/ /* Milan Adamov | */ /* Ratka Vujovica Coce 6 ] | [ There is question that has no answer.*/ /* 11090 Belgrade ---|--- Does my country still exist ? */ /* Yugoslavia ] | [ */ /* EADAMOV@YUBGEF51.BITNET | */ /****************************************************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1991 10:32 +0200 From: Milan Adamov Subject: Ethernet To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Thank you very much, Friedrich-Carl. I was interested in card from PAM-soft, because I saw their's add in one magazine and it said that card can be plugged in DMA. However, it is nice to know that there is more than one choice. Thank you again for detail information. Milan /****************************************************************************/ /* Milan Adamov | */ /* Ratka Vujovica Coce 6 ] | [ There is question that has no answer.*/ /* 11090 Belgrade ---|--- Does my country still exist ? */ /* Yugoslavia ] | [ */ /* EADAMOV@YUBGEF51.BITNET | */ /****************************************************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 12:31:18 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Help To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Please can some one Help me with some Phone No. I am after one for Branch Always Software, (Quick ST) and also Best Electronics.. Also is there any other Companies that have IC's/Parts for Ataries, ST, etc. I did use one some time back for 8 bit parts and they were very good, but have lost the infomation on them. No '800 No's Please, they are no good here.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * GEnie. R.SHEPPARD5 *** *** Kapiti At least I don't Flicker, *** *** New Zealand.. * not like a dying light globe *** ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 01:07:20 GMT From: esvax.hamavnet.com!n6vbg.hamavnet.com!system@decwrl.dec.com Subject: HP Printers on my Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, fellow netters, I recently acquired an HP IIIP and I would like to use it with my Atari 1040ST. Do I need any special drivers? I am mainly interested in printing 1st Word documents, but I'd like to do some desktop publishing as well. Thanks, Javier Henderson system@n6vbg.hamavnet.com ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 18:40:29 GMT From: bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!liuida!ulrer@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ulric Eriksson) Subject: MIDInet To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu philbbs@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Phil Regnauld) writes: >rreiner@nexus.yorku.ca (Richard Reiner) writes: >> I found a thing called MIDInet on atari.archive >It is fairly reliable, but is more of a gadget, since even the lamest >floppy disk drive works at 147000 bauds on local, what's the use of >going 1/3 the speed? > >Bye If you're loading small programs from floppy, baud rate hardly matters at all. Up to a few KB, loading from a remote RAM disk is probably FASTER than loading from a local floppy disk. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 13:15:48 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!ermadmin@uunet.uu.net (Earth Resources Mapping) Subject: packing gcc etc To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu As the gnu binaries are so large, I would quite like to compress them with a 'packer' such as pfxpak (or is it pkxpak)... Has anyone out there got any experience of such things...? .Clive Salvidge ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 09:31:20 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!icdoc!tmp@uunet.uu.net (Trevor Peacock) Subject: Problems using Overscan with SM125 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug19.063835.204@megatel> otti%megatel@unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Thomas Otten) writes: >I just got the overscn3 package from terminator and liked it that much that I >took my wiring iron and did that litle modification to my 260ST ( not the >latest model, I guess :-) ). > >There wasn't much to do, since most of the stuff was installed by my hardware >dealer years ago to enable the composite sync signal. So I think I couldn't >have done much faults connecting the switch to the rest of it. But it doesn't >work. The overscan software seems to recognize the position of the switch but >all I see are some strange bit patterns and vertical lines. The bit patterns >are changing when I use the *,/,+ and - keys, but not to something sensible. >I'm using TOS 1.4. > >Does anybody have a suggestion to fix that problem ? Has anybody experience >using overscan with a SM125 ( I think it's a english model and it's rather >seldom here in Germany ) or does the SM125 has other specifications than the >SM124 making it unusable for overscan ? > >Thanks it advance > This seems to be a fairly common problem (it must be because I experienced it too! 8~) What I found to be the problem was that I was using the wrong transistor even though I looked up a near equivalent it just displayed diagonal black stripes with the (distorted) desktop pattern between. The cure? just use the specified transistor (and keep the leads as short as possible). Cheers, Trev.. -- Trevor Peacock, Comms Officer, Dept of Computing, Imperial College,| Affix 180 Queen's Gate, London SW7 2BZ. Telephone: 071-589-5111 ext 5052.| stamp JANET:tmp@uk.ac.ic.doc UUCP:tmp@icdoc.UUCP or ..!ukc!icdoc!tmp | here DARPA:tmp@doc.ic.ac.uk or tmp%uk.ac.ic.doc@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk | ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 14:14:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-stat e.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David H Butler) Subject: ST reset problem - HELP! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I recently made several modifications to my Mega2+2 ST. It was working fine before this... 1) I got the ISAC card and found out that I needed TOS 1.4 (naturally I was not told this before ordering, seeing as TOS 1.2 is the standard chip set I thought it would work, how silly of me to think a product made for Megas would work in one...) Anyway, I installed TOS 1.4, but had to go from the 2 chip set to the 6 chip set since that was all the store had & I'm generally impatient. This includes removing one chip from the motherboard, installing one standard jumper, and moving two jumpers with (I believe) a capacitor on each. This went off without a hitch. 2) Next, I actually installed the ISAC board, It looks great! (in fairness, I should also say that I also had major monitor problems; The monitor I had supported the scan rates I was given for the ISAC board, but it still did not work, I had to get a new one, and also had to get an ST monochrome because there were so many software problems. Then, Monochrome mode on the ISAC kept coming up RED and WHITE instead of B&W, took me about 2 days to manage to fix that). However, I am very impressed with the board, it looks really nice, although it is a little slow in color mode. 3) The other modifications currently in my Mega are: AdSeed Overscan NOW, THE PROBLEM: The ST starts up and runs fine. Everything works as it should for about 1/2 hour. Then, I start getting more and more frequent crashes. The first sign is when I access a menu bar and the menu stays down & I get bombs. Then it will start to crash so often it is unusable until I shut it off and let it sit for about 1/2 hour and cool off. Then it works fine again. I am guessing that this is heat related since all the symptoms point to this. I did not have this problem with just AdSpeed & Overscan. I am thinking that possibly I got some bad ROM's. I've also heard of problems with some other chips in the Megas. I have eliminated the possibility of it being a software problem, I know it is hardware. If anyone knows: 1) What the problem may actually be (seeing as my diagnosis may be complete crap because I very well may not know what I'm talking about) 2) How to fix whatever this problem may be (any suggestions short of "throw your ST out the window down to the street several stories below and watch it get run over by large moving 4-wheeled-internal-combustion vehicles out of sheer frustration and general disgust", would be greatly appreciated). 3) Assuming that it is a heat problem, does anyone know of a replacement fan with a much higher "flow rate" that would fit in the same place? Anyone else out there ever installed another fan in some other location on their Mega? Thanks for sitting through this way too long explination of a *hopefully* simple problem, || || || - David Butler (dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) || || || || || || H H RRRR [ High Resolution DTP ] || || || HHHH R R [ 1996 Summit St. Apt. B ] || || || H High RRRR [ Columbus, Ohio 43201 ] ||| || ||| R Resolution [ voice: (614)-297-7967 ] |||| || |||| R R [ BUSINESS CALLS ONLY ] - Desktop Publishing -[ For Free ST consulting ]- -(Just a little plug for my company)- -[ the Columbus Ohio area ]- -[ call Academic Computing ]- -[ Services, 9am - 5pm ]- -[ Monday - Friday at: ]- -[ (614)-292-2919 ]- ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 10:51:25 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!simvax.labmed .umn.edu!davidli@arizona.edu Subject: TeX troubles To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , S_DINGLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Florian Dingler) writes: > If you got an 2 Meg machine, try dumping the formats yourself: > > You find the .TEX files in the archive INPUTS.LZH. For Plain TeX you'll need > PLAIN.TEX. Just type > > tex 'plain \dump' -i This won't work with the standard 3.1 release on atari.archive, since there is nothing called TEX.TTP. Instead, you have INITEX.TTP and VIRTEX.TTP. To build the various formats, the commands would be: for TeX: initex 'plain \dump' for LaTeX: initex 'lplain \dump' for SliTex: initex 'splain \dump' OR, if you don't have the necessary memory, I will look through my own archives and find the copy of the format file mentioned (which I really did get from the atari.archive server at one time!), and FTP it back so they'll be available for everyone. > ( {\em I like \TeX\ !} ) ditto -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 11:10:06 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!cs .umn.edu!simvax.labmed.umn.edu!davidli@arizona.edu Subject: TeX troubles To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug20.105125.1@simvax.labmed.umn.edu>, davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu writes: > In article , S_DINGLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de > (|S| Florian Dingler) writes: >> If you got an 2 Meg machine, try dumping the formats yourself: >> >> You find the .TEX files in the archive INPUTS.LZH. For Plain TeX you'll need >> PLAIN.TEX. Just type >> >> tex 'plain \dump' -i > > This won't work with the standard 3.1 release on atari.archive... Well, actually, since Frank Ridderbusch appears to have put up a newly compiled version of Tex 3.1, it WILL work this way. Dang. He's gone and merged INITEX and VIRTEX into one file. That just goes to show how quickly informational texts can be placed 'out of date' by updates in software. The problem is, whenever a new version of TeX is released, the format files have to be regenerated in order for them to work correctly with the newly compiled code. So, you should follow the instructions in the 'readme_e.inf' file that Frank included in the TEXBIN.ZOO archive dated 14 August 1991 in order to figure out how to generate the new format files. Of course, if you don't have the requisite memory, you're out of luck ... Perhaps Frank (or someone with a lot of disk space and memory) can upload an archive of newly generated format files using the new binaries on the atari.archive server? [I'm leaving for the World Science Fiction convention on Saturday, and will be away from my ST for the duration of my vacation, so it would be, like, mid-September before I could do it myself.] -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 11:38:33 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!abekrd!mike@uunet.uu.net (Mike Quinn) Subject: Tos 2.0x coming to an STf(m) near you! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi guys, Picked up a copy of ST User (UK mag - mostly games, but going back to ST World style Real Soon Now(tm)), today and in the news snippets at the front they said that Tos 2.0 would be made available for owners of old Sts on 512K roms. They said that the roms would be available from September (I know don't ask _which_ September) and would cost around 50 pounds Sterling. Finally the mag said that this would be bad news for the likes of Gribnif and Double Click, because the new desktop did most everything the replacement desktops did _and_ speeded up disk access. Anyone heard anything more? Mike Quinn. Abekas Video Systems Ltd. Reading. United Kingdom. net: mike@abekrd.co.uk UUCP: ...!uunet!mcsun!ukc!abekrd!mike Let a smile be your umbrella! - Gordon Cole aka David Lynch. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 15:34:08 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!kreeta!luoto@uunet.uu.net (Markku Luoto) Subject: TT-UNIX To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello NetWorld, Excuse me if this... ...lately BUT, WHAT's the current status of UNIX for TT ? During the spring term a rumour went around that it was released in Germany in June ?! ...is it true, If so, what's the price in Ger. and in U.S., and where to get it ??? -> anybody from the A-house know anything ???? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>> " I'm completely operational & all my cicuits are functioning <<<<<< >>>>>> correctly...correc...corr...co...-! " : HAl9000 <<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 15:40:14 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!kreeta!luoto@uunet.uu.net (Markku Luoto) Subject: TT high end software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Uh, and some more fore the previous posting... Where to get the new calamus SL, (in Ger/US/GB)...what's the latest version No. Where to get PROFLIGHT in UK, and what's the latest version... (is there a HAWK among the planes)? WHAT`s the deal with the long spoken IBM-emulator for TT... like soft-pc for mac It was to be released soon when I heard about it in the spring ??? is it ? ... ever ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>> " I'm completely operational & all my cicuits are functioning <<<<<< >>>>>> correctly...correc...corr...co...-! " : HAl9000 <<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 13:20:32 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@ariz ona.edu Subject: v_opnwk call (was Dialog Boxes) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug15.174412.26327@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Joseph W Reiss) says: > >In article <7155453@alice.hobby.nl> hvaalde@cs.vu.nl writes: >>v_opnwk() is used by AES to install the desktop. It can be used from within >>an AUTO folder program to enable the use of VDI aslong as the workstation >>is closed properly before the program exits. If it isn't AES won't be able >>the open a new workstation and exits == reboot > >Does this mean that some enterprising utility creator out there could >write an auto folder program that would allow GEM programs to run in >the AUTO folder by calling v_opnwk() and closing the workstation at >the end of the AUTO sequence? If so, why hasn't anyone done it? > Because you still would need the AES -- and there's no way to start up the AES without starting the Desktop. >How about it, Double Clickers? >-- >__________ > | |___) .------------------------------------------. >\_/OE | \EISS | USENET: jreiss@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu | > `---- `------------------------------------------' ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 13:20:29 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@ariz ona.edu Subject: Version To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) says: > >OK, check the cookie jar for machine cookie... >How do I knw if it's a STE or a MEGA STE (with 16 MHz card) ? >My developer docs say nothing about the MEGA STE at all, nothing about new >cookies, nothing about speed-switching etc, and no update has arrived. On the Mega STE, the low word of the _MCH cookie is 0x0010. This is what the 'General' CPX checks for. > > Lars-Erik / Registered Developer / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ > 0sterud / w/ Atari Scandinavia / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / >__________/ _______________________/ ______________________/ ____/ / ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 14:51:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!dsinc!netnews.up enn.edu!msuinfo!silver.egr.msu.edu!schultzd@arizona.edu (Count Zero Interrupt) Subject: VIP Professional To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is there anyone out using the PrintGraph program with VIP Professional? When I use it, the graph comes out screwed up and it won't print correctly. I think I might have an outdated version of printgraph. Has anyone got this to work correctly...? -- ||| David W. Schultz ||| ||| uunet[!rutgers!mailrus]!frith!schultzd ||| / | \ Work Phone: (517)-353-8891 / | \ / | \ "All I see Pornographitti, All I hear Pornographitti..." / | \ ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 08:58:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf.su b.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!hh.maus.de!Thomas_Quester@arizona.edu (Thomas Quester) Subject: Why not a universal extrac To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ue>>If I understand it right, once you get it configured, you can just click ue>>on a file and it processes it, no menu selections involved. There was By the way: If you install LHarc as an application, you can extract any .LZH-archiv by a double-click. ue>>ST. I'd read in the info file of the IBM version that a full port was ue>>planned, but didn't know ANY port had been done yet. Anyway.... ue>There is an UNARJ for the st, I've never seen an ARJ. If you can get your ue>hands on one, please leave me a note. I asked the autor of ARJ for the sources after I made UNARJ to run at double speed. He sayed ARJ is not ready to port. ---------------------------------------------------- Thomas Quester * Lampenland 9 * 2050 Hamburg 80 MauTau V 2.2c - Die englische Dampfmaschine geht auf das Konto von James Watt. (Net) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 91 18:20:32 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!eagle!csduts1.lerc.nasa.gov!fsctc@arizona. edu (Clarence T. Chang) Subject: Word Up? Word Perfect? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am considering switching from First Word Plus to some other word processors on our TT. Has anyone successfully run Word Perfect (WP) or Word Up (WUP) on this beast? What are the respective merits and drawbacks? My printer is a HP Deskjet Plus which can be used as a Laserjet II. I also have access to other printers such as PS printers on the network. What do you think of these two packages? Clarence ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************