Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 19 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 443 Today's Topics: 520 ST for sale ATARI MEGA STE Atari ST software collection (update/repost) ATW adon for ST's (was RE: CD-I) DC (formatter?) Degas picture compression Drawing Pixels For Sale: CRICIT Cash Register & Inventory Control Software GS 2.2 LASERJET III Printing MEGA STE and 1.44 MB floppy? omnires on ste Problems using Overscan with SM125 Spectre 256k ROM support (was: System 7 and Spectre GCR) ST dealerships, ST Writer word counter Yahoo! TeX is running on my ST! Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Aug 91 04:13:47 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!at t!emory!utkcs2!hydra3b.cs.utk.edu!gathings@arizona.edu (Golando Gathings) Subject: 520 ST for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have the following system for sale : Atari 520 ST with, external drive(ssdd), mono monitor, system disks, and various software. asking $300 , O.B.O (price includes shipping ). All replies welcome. Golando ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 07:02:49 GMT From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!sbuvax!univwa@uunet.uu.net (Bernhard Stumpf) Subject: ATARI MEGA STE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug17.214300.4586@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>, as903@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bruce Urbanski) writes: > > mine has worked perfectly scince I got it.. Been using it for 4 months now.. I don't want you to be afraid, but this is exactly the time I could use mine... I bought it in April '91, it crashed in June '91 (refused to boot, the beast was *completely* dead...) and I didn't get it back from Atari Raunheim until today!!! I think of selling it when it comes back, I'm more than angry about Atari Corp. (Any offers? -> Mega STE4 / 48MB + SM124)... Bernhard ***************************************************************************** * * * Dipl.Ing. Bernhard Stumpf | | | * * / ___ / University of the Saarland | | | * * /----. /__. -/- D-6600 Saarbruecken | | | * * /____/ ___/ /_. / | \ * * phone : ++49-681-302-41.43 / | \ * * e-mail: bestu@sbuvax.rz.uni-sb.de / | \ * * * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 08:51:23 GMT From: ncrcom!ncr-mpd!kentd@uunet.uu.net (Kent.Dalton) Subject: Atari ST software collection (update/repost) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, no one wanted to buy my ST software collection as a complete set but my mailbox was literally flooded with replies from people who wanted just one or two packages. Since there was such intense interest, I'm not replying to everyone individually but am instead posting the entire list along with asking prices. Buyer pays shipping. All packages include original disk and docs, most include original box, as well. I'll still take offers on the entire collection. Also, note the "IMG Scan" Scanner offered at the end was not in the original post. Title Description Asking ============================================================================= MINIX V1.5.10......Unix V7 OS with source code........................$50.00 Lattice C V3.14....ANSI C compiler with tools.........................$35.00 STOS Basic.........Powerful game developing system using Basic........$25.00 Timeworks DTP......Really nice desktop publisher. Very intuitive......$25.00 GFA Draft Plus.....Full blown CAD package. Great for schematics.......$10.00 Print Master.......Excellent Print Shop clone. Banners/Cards/etc.etc..$10.00 Shadow.............Background UL/DL (excellent).......................$10.00 Flash 1.61.........Powerful terminal emulator w/ scripting lang........$7.00 GFA Basic 2.0......The ST Basic of Choice..............................$5.00 Music Const. Set...Music composition. Supports ST and/or MIDI sound....$5.00 Digi-Drum..........Drum machine which uses digitized drums sounds......$5.00 Gauntlet II........Indistinguishable from arcade version! Excels......$10.00 Leisure Larry II...Look for love with Larry, in several wrong places..$10.00 Chaos Strikes Bck..Sequel to DM. 3-D dungeon adventure.................$7.00 Dungeon Master.....The All-time classic dungeon adventure..............$7.00 Wargame Const.Set..SSI's DYI wargame kit also includes Iron Lord..........Fantasy RPG. Excellent graphics. Star rating in UK..$7.00 BattleTech.........Animated mech wars in the future. SciFi RPG.........$7.00 Batman Caped Crus..Excellent arcade/adventure with two scenarios.......$5.00 Baal...............Psygnosis platform arcade game. Excellent graphics..$5.00 The Pawn...........The Pawn. Magnetic Scrolls classic graphics adv.....$5.00 Jinxter............Quality graphical adventure (also Magnetic Scrolls).$5.00 Time Bandit........The classic arcade-adventure!.......................$5.00 Sorcerer Lord......Control fantasy armies in this detailed wargame.....$5.00 Rings of Zilfin....SSI Fantasy RPG. Restore order to a troubled land...$5.00 Temple of Apshai...3 games in one. (TOS 1.0 only.).....................$2.00 Rogue..............Great little hack-n-slash game! (TOS 1.0 only)......$2.00 Hardware Item: IMG Scan - Image scanner which scans by connecting sensor to the head of a dot matrix printer. Works in all resolutions and can save 16 grey scale Degas format images for use with DTP programs. The raw output from the scanner is actually 8-bit (256 grey scales!). Includes software. Interfaces to ST cartridge port. Asking $30. -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Kent Dalton * EMail: Kent.Dalton@FtCollins.NCR.COM */ /* NCR Microelectronics * CIS: 72320,3306 */ /* 2001 Danfield Ct. MS470A * */ /* Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 * (303) 223-5100 X-319 */ /**************************************************************************/ Fortune: I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. -- Hunter S. Thompson ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 17:26:09 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!catless!ndch@uunet.uu.net (Dave Halliday) Subject: ATW adon for ST's (was RE: CD-I) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu |>> |>>While talking about the ATW it is now available for 2500pounds with |>>educational discount. (Thats Half price!) |> |>So what? You can go out right now and buy a 21 MIP Sun SPARCstation |>ELC for the same price in the US (about US$5,000). Wouldn't it be |>better to own a SUPPORTED workstation that runs a real unix and that |>you could do real development work on? |> Yer, but you can't compare prices on your side of the Atlantic to thouse on ours. ELC's arn't available here yet and the SLC costs 5000pounds with educational discount. (I know I have just got one for work.) so assuming the same ration then the ATW would retail in the states with educational discount at about $2500. (Which is not bad for 4xT800 transputers.) You are right about Helios though it is still a bit on the buggy side. Dave Halliday. Ps I don't realy expect the ATW to become a mainline product in the US or here in the UK for that matter. It is mainly treated as a research tool. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Address: Computing Dept. Newcastle University, NE1 7RU. UK. Halliday EMail : D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk Phone : +44 91 222 8214 Fax : +44 91 222 8232 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 04:28:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed u!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko) Subject: DC (formatter?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug18.180426.24111@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Doug Wokoun) writes: > >In a previous article, rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Robert J Anisko) says: > >> >> I thought of a very useful utility that maybe one of the Double-Click >>programming masters can create - a Background formatter. > > It's been done! It's called Mystic formatter and it's a DA version >of the DC Formatter. I think I got it from the Terminator archive. > >-- Yep, I've just heard this from a number of people. So much for my credibility around here, eh? :-) Oh well, it's no surprise that the folks at DC had something to do with it... Robert Anisko rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 02:03:09 GMT From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa400@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Marc A. Lombardo) Subject: Degas picture compression To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Would someone please send me some assembly source code that uncompresses and displayes a DEGAS compressed picture? I have some docs on the compression scheme, but I am having trouble understanding it. I would like some code I could look at (possibly with some comments) that would help me to understand picture compression. Thanks. -- Marc A. Lombardo User Address:aa400@cleveland.freenet.edu /-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/--/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\-/-\- Atari ST, MIDI, Music ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 91 12:30:39 BST From: Dave Wade Subject: Drawing Pixels To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Folks I havn't tried this. However my copy of ABACUS specificaly says that POLYLINE !!!!!CANNOT!!!!!! be used to draw points. !!!!!!!!!. I have used POLYMARK and that seems fine. I havn't tried saving up the points. That sounds a good idea. +------------------------------------------------------------+ | VM Sysprogs do it virtually all of the time !!!!! | | Reply To:- | | Janet:- DAVEW@UK.CO.SSS.D | | Bitnet:-DAVEW@D.SSS.CO.UK (Also most places outside UK) | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 16:08:31 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu. edu!payman@arizona.edu (Payman Parastaran) Subject: For Sale: CRICIT Cash Register & Inventory Control Software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a nice Cash Register and Inventory Control Program (called CRICIT) that I bought 2 years ago for over $300. You can hook up your ST to any triggered cash drawer, and make it work like a cash register. All invoices are filed and can be recalled at any time. Mailing lists are automatically created. It can keep track of 65000 different items in your inventory, and automatically creates a purchase list. Plus, it does barcode labeling on your printer and reading (with an optional barcode reader.) You can design customized inventory reports, and sales reports. It's a very useful package for any small (or not so small) business. My father no longer has the business at which he used CRICIT. So I'd like to sell it. Make me any offer !! -- Payman -- ___________________________________________________ Payman Parastaran / payman@casbah.acns.nwu.edu........(312) 274-0897 / _____________________/__________________________________________________/______ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 17:16:22 GMT From: lewhoosh.umd.edu!jeffy@umd5.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Subject: GS 2.2 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've been playing around with the GhostScript 2.2 binary that was recently posted to atari.archive. I've got most of the fonts set up and everythings working beautifully (well, as much as one can expect with only 1 meg of memory) but I'm having problems with the DeskJet driver's output. For some reason the printer is inserting several blank lines at the top of the page, so that a single page of output requires 2 pieces of paper. The guy who ported 2.2 to the ST (who apparently can't be reached via e-mail 'til next week) states in the ST docs that the DJ driver has been tested so I tend to think that the problem is something on my end...though I have no idea what. Anybody have any thoughts, suggestions, or experiences with the same problem? Thanks, Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen | | | Laughing, loving, | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe | ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 08:46:00 WET DST From: "Brian" Subject: LASERJET III Printing To: "info-atari16" A week or so ago I asked if there were any DVI drivers around for the HP LaserJet III printer - since then I have downloaded shdvi10b.zoo from the terminator archive (terminator.cc.umich.edu or 141.211.164.8) and this works for this printer provided that the non optimised mode is used. The optimisation mode prints rubbish unfortunately and the non-optimised mode is rather slow but it gives good results. It would be nice to use the HP internal fonts but after a lot of effort trying to pursuade HP to let me have the necessary font metric information I still have nothing (I bought the technical reference manual for the HP LJIII at extra expense - it does not come with the printer! - but this contains nothing about how to calculate the font sizes so I am left high and dry at the moment. The HP printer is a nice machine but HP's high level support (at least in the UK) is abysmal. Brian Gladman gladman@ccint1.rsre.mod.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 91 10:47:56 CET From: Guenter Wartusch Subject: MEGA STE and 1.44 MB floppy? To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello out there! Recently I read of someone, who managed running a TT with a 1.44 MB floppy. As far as I remember he said it was quite easy to make the necessary changes. My question is, if it is also possible to do the same with the new MEGA STE's, and if yes, what do I have to do? Is it true that some of the MEGA STE's are already equipped with HD floppies? Do I need a new controller chip? Any comments are welcome. Thanks, Guenter ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 05:49:41 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!cunyvm!jokhc@arizona.edu (Joshua Kronengold) Subject: omnires on ste To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu could someone please post or mail me either: a: the source code needed to use omnires on the ste b: the uuencoded file created from the above c: the memory locations that need changing in the sample source (I'll send you the sample source if you don't have it) d: the name of a shareware mono emulator that does work on the ste ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 06:38:35 GMT From: mcsun!unido!megatel!otti@uunet.uu.net (Thomas Otten) Subject: Problems using Overscan with SM125 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I just got the overscn3 package from terminator and liked it that much that I took my wiring iron and did that litle modification to my 260ST ( not the latest model, I guess :-) ). There wasn't much to do, since most of the stuff was installed by my hardware dealer years ago to enable the composite sync signal. So I think I couldn't have done much faults connecting the switch to the rest of it. But it doesn't work. The overscan software seems to recognize the position of the switch but all I see are some strange bit patterns and vertical lines. The bit patterns are changing when I use the *,/,+ and - keys, but not to something sensible. I'm using TOS 1.4. Does anybody have a suggestion to fix that problem ? Has anybody experience using overscan with a SM125 ( I think it's a english model and it's rather seldom here in Germany ) or does the SM125 has other specifications than the SM124 making it unusable for overscan ? Thanks it advance -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Thomas Otten | | | | NeXTMAIL : otti%megatel@unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de | | SMAIL : megatel GmbH * Fahrenheitstr. 1 * W-2800 Bremen 33, Germany | | VOICE : x49-421-2208120 FAX:x49-421-2208150 | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 14:52:12 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!dhbutler@arizona.edu (David H Butler) Subject: Spectre 256k ROM support (was: System 7 and Spectre GCR) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I agree with that. I would rather see an in-business GCR producing company, than a company that makes a great 256K emulator and then gets sued out of business. However, if he follows the same principles as before he should be OK from what I've heard from legal-type friends. As long as he does not actually sell the ROM's himself with the emulator then it would be very difficult to take legal action (note: I may not know what I'm talking about here, I'm, just repeating what I've heard from others...). I have to admit I would love to see a 256K version with Color for the SST or TT. However, the TT does not support Mac-Quality color, so how would this be done? It seems like the task would be very difficult since he would have to support lots of different second-party cards in order to get the true Mac color mode (256 colors out of 16mil at 640*480). Anyway, more power to Gadgets if they can pull this one off, it would sure be a great tool for the Atari World. || || || - David Butler (dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) || || || || || || H H RRRR [ High Resolution DTP ] || || || HHHH R R [ 1996 Summit St. Apt. B ] || || || H High RRRR [ Columbus, Ohio 43201 ] ||| || ||| R Resolution [ voice: (614)-297-7967 ] |||| || |||| R R [ BUSINESS CALLS ONLY ] - Desktop Publishing -[ For Free ST consulting ]- -(Just a little plug for my company)- -[ the Columbus Ohio area ]- -[ call Academic Computing ]- -[ Services, 9am - 5pm ]- -[ Monday - Friday at: ]- -[ (614)-292-2919 ]- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 08:53:28 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!cunyvm!jokhc@arizona.edu (Joshua Kronengold) Subject: ST dealerships, To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu yup, I've heard there were several Atari ST Dealerships in the nyc, but only know about j&r records/computers/etc. ------- *********************************************************************** * JOSHUA KRONENGOLD * * * * "Oh Lord, what fools these mortals be!" * * Robin Goodfellow * * "Never underestimate man's potential for stupidity * * Woodrow Wilson Smith * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 14:12:37 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu !cunixf.cc.columbia.edu!cunixb.cc.columbia.edu!cmm1@arizona.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) Subject: ST dealerships, To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <91231.045328JOKHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> JOKHC@CUNYVM.BITNET (Joshua Kronengold) writes: >yup, I've heard there were several Atari ST Dealerships in the nyc, but only >know about j&r records/computers/etc. J & R is the only non-music store that I know of that sells ST equipment in NYC. Several music stores (there are a lot on 48th and 49th streets on the West Side. Try Manny's Music. Also, there is Leigh's computers which is on 83-84th and 3rd Ave. Don't expect good prices though unless you buy at J&R. The problem at J&R will be getting them to stock the equipment you want. They don't sell too many STs compared to Amiga and Messy Dos machines so they don't keep too many units on hand. You might have to wait a while for what you want. Also, don't expect the salesman to know anything about the ST. He/she'll probably try to convince you to buy an Amiga (which might not be a bad idea anyway depending on what you intend to do with the thing). If you need more info, don't be bashful. Send me email and I'll see if I can point you to the rights spots. After all, I WAS an ST owner for almost 5 years. Cheers, Chris --------------+---------------------------------------------------------- Chris Mauritz | Cuba's *superior* human rights record is only part of the | answer; it's superior social conditions are another. --------------| -Harel Barzilai- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 06:21:33 GMT From: cie.uoregon.edu!jamesl@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (James Lynn) Subject: ST Writer word counter To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anybody know of a program that can count the words of an ST Writer format file? Failing that, how abut a word counter for ASCII files? My copy of ST Writer fairly old (3.0). Has that feature been added to newer versions? Please E-mail replies. Thank you for listening. James Charles Lynn ------------------ jamesl@cie.uoregon.edu ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 00:46:22 GMT From: orstcs!orstcs!usenet@rutgers.rutgers.edu Subject: Yahoo! TeX is running on my ST! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu After many, many hours of downloading at 2400bps, TeX 3.1 is actually up and functioning on my machine. My thanks to David Paschall-Zimbel, who wrote a little guide to help get people started. The instructions are very clear and helpful. I had no idea my 9-pin Panasonic was capable of that kind of output. If any of you haven't ftp'd the TeX files from atari.archive, you ought to. It is really capable. My printer takes its time, that is for sure, but it sure looks good. The only scary point came when I was trying to decide what shell I would use. I use GEM for most things (go ahead, call me stupid), so i am not that familiar with the shells available. I tried MUPFEL, which comes with GEMINI, and I like it. I liked it enough to try to run it from the AUTO folder, which result in big bombs during boot-up. No problem, I thought. I'll just run ICDBOOT.PRG from floppy. When I tried to run ICDBOOT, I got the dreaded TOS ERROR #35 repeatedly. Many reboots and a couple of almost-crying eyes later, ICDBOOT worked. So I guess the moral of the story is: Backup your harddisk utilities NOW! and get a copy of TeX 3.1. and ** *** ** John Thaanum ** *** ** thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu ** *** ** thaanuj@mist.cs.orst.edu ** *** ** at445@cleveland.freenet.edu *** *** *** *** *** *** "Baseball, hotdogs, **** *** **** Atari ST's and Chevrolet!" ** *** ** ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************