Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 18 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 442 Today's Topics: ATARI 1040STFM for SALE Atari Mega ST 2 System for sale! (2 msgs) ATARI MEGA STE atarivir.291(where do you get the other docs?) BCF77 BinHex on platforms other than mac??? DC (formatter?) (2 msgs) diffs for GNU make 3.59 Lap-link type program? for ST/TT? MEGA STE news Minix?? Unix on ST?? Personal Pascal VS. Modula - 2 SPECTRE & SYSTEM 7 AND THE NEW SPECTRE 256 Spectre GCR and System 7 System 7 and Spectre GCR TT printing Turbo St Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Aug 91 23:57:32 GMT From: ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!news@rutgers.rutgers.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----) Subject: ATARI 1040STFM for SALE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have the following for sale: Atari 1040 STfm - CPU /w keyboard - 1 MG RAM - built in 720K 3.5" floppy disk drive - Mouse - RS232C port - MIDI port - catridge 128K ROM port - DMA hard drive port - 2nd disk drive port - RF port - for hooking up to color TV or VCR --- $300 or best offer and Back Pack - utilities in catridge --- best offer Procopy ST (copying software) --- $5.00 obo ST-Talk (communication) --- $7.00 obo Haba Check Minder (checking account reminder) --- $7.00 obo Print Master Plus (graphics utility ) --- $10.00 obo) Gnictron Football (Football Game) --- $7.00 obo Space Shuttle (Game) --- $7.00 obo Defender of the Crown (Game) --- $10.00 obo Tanglewood (Game) --- $3.00 not working with TOS 1.0 and 1.6 The Darkness Rises (Game) --- $10.00 obo Fast (ST Dos and other utilties) --- $7.00 obo Dungeon Master (Game) --- $5.00 no manual but with maps and hints Falcon (Game) --- $15.00 obo Epstart (Macintosh Epson printer driver for Spectre ) --- $30 obo VIP professional (Spreadsheet - Lotus 123 clone) --- $25.00 no manual and 2 atari joysticks --- $5.00 each dusk cover for 1040STFM free with the STFM or $400 (obo) for the whole package Buyer pay shippings. Please e-mail to lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu Some of the softwares do not have documentation. Please e-mail me and make an offer for any items above. Thanks. .. Ling Cherd ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 00:26:59 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!hgobioff@arizona.ed u (Howard B. Gobioff) Subject: Atari Mega ST 2 System for sale! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a used Atari Mega ST 2 system for sale included is: Atari Mega ST 2 CPU KeyBoard SM 124 Monochrome Display SC 1224 Color Display Monitor Master - Allows simple switching of displays Software (original disks): Flash Populous Laser C Manhunter Ikari Warrios Micro C Shell Paladin Tempus Word Processor I will see what documentation I can dig up for whomever ends up with the system. I know I have the following documentation and probably more : Laser C, Tempus, Micro C Shell. This system has not been used for about a year so it is now time to tell it. Anyone who is interested in making an offer for the machine can contact me at hgobioff@wam.umd.edu or hgobioff@avw.umd.edu... I wish to sell the system as a unit. Shipping arrangements would have to be arranged with whoemever purchases the machine. Howard Gobioff ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 91 00:43:03 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!hgobioff@ames.arpa (Howard B. Gobioff) Subject: Atari Mega ST 2 System for sale! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a used Atari Mega ST 2 system for sale included is: Atari Mega ST 2 CPU KeyBoard SM 124 Monochrome Display SC 1224 Color Display Monitor Master - Allows simple switching of displays Software (original disks): Flash Populous Laser C Manhunter Ikari Warrios Micro C Shell Paladin Tempus Word Processor I will see what documentation I can dig up for whomever ends up with the system. I know I have the following documentation and probably more : Laser C, Tempus, Micro C Shell. This system has not been used for about a year so it is now time to tell it. Anyone who is interested in making an offer for the machine can contact me at hgobioff@wam.umd.edu or hgobioff@avw.umd.edu... I wish to sell the system as a unit. Shipping arrangements would have to be arranged with whoemever purchases the machine. Howard Gobioff ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 91 21:43:00 GMT From: icd.ab.com!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as903@uunet.uu.net (Bruce Urbanski) Subject: ATARI MEGA STE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu mine has worked perfectly scince I got it.. Been using it for 4 months now.. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 02:22:59 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!t821431@uunet.uu.net (Richard Clarkson) Subject: atarivir.291(where do you get the other docs?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I recently downloaded the file atarivir.291. This is a doc file on atari viruses! Very well documented and full marks to the authors! It had info about other doc files : atarivir.a89 Nov 15 1989 atarivir.b90 june 5 1990 Does anybody know what ftp site these other files are available from? or could someone send them to me? I got atarivir.291 from ftp 141.211.164.8 Many thanks in advanc Richard Clarkson t821431@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (AUSTRALIA) w ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 91 03:42:53 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!u b!csn!ccncsu!lamar.colostate.edu!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang) Subject: BCF77 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Helleo: Does anyone knows about BC-FORTRAN 77? There seems to be a file called bcf77ata in some European FTP sites, what's in it? How's it compares to the Prospre f77? Does any US place handles it? Thanks Tang sytang@lamar.colostate.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 91 19:17:02 -0400 From: jmz@17.77.ucc.nau.edu Subject: BinHex on platforms other than mac??? To: EAST"Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu" unBinHexers are available in the sumex archive (sumex-aim.stanford.edu): info-mac/unix/unsit-15.shar info-mac/unix/unxbin.shar info-mac/unix/xbin-25.shar info-mac/unix/xbin-to-binary.shar info-mac/unix/xbin.shar _________ Jean-Marc Zucconi | |\ /| / | | \ / | / bitnet: zucconi@frobes51 | | \/ | / span: obsbea::jmz | | | / internet: jmz@obsbea.dnet.nasa.gov \_____ / o | |o /________ o or jmz%obsbea.dnet@east.gsfc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 09:31:33 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.p itt.edu!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko) Subject: DC (formatter?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I thought of a very useful utility that maybe one of the Double-Click programming masters can create - a Background formatter. What do I mean by this? Well, there is an IBM program I found at msdos.archive called CNFMT106 that is a TSR program. When a chosen hot-key is pressed, a "format?" menu pops up - after you choose the format you want (5.25, 3.5, 720k, etc) it begins formatting and drops you back to DOS until it is done. When it is done, you can have a window pop up telling you so. The nice thing about this kind of a program is that you don't spend the entire day watching the computer format disks -- the IBM version for example worked fine behind Word Perfect, etc. Although the IBM version doesn't seem to work under PC-ditto, not did it seem to work under the Supercharger (maybe it has something to do directly with the drive?). Anyways, hopefully an ST version is possible (sure would save alot of time). Best bet would be to try the IBM version, and work from there. Well, that ought to keep minds frying for awhile.... Robert Anisko ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 18:04:26 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa384@arizona.edu (Doug Wokoun) Subject: DC (formatter?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a previous article, rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu (Robert J Anisko) says: > > I thought of a very useful utility that maybe one of the Double-Click >programming masters can create - a Background formatter. It's been done! It's called Mystic formatter and it's a DA version of the DC Formatter. I think I got it from the Terminator archive. -- Doug Wokoun / / | If you don't (aa384@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) [o]-[o] | stand for something, ||| L (((( STe )))) | you will Atari / | \ S I G \___/ | fall for anything. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 91 02:31:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!p acific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!convex!rosenkra@arizona.edu (William Rosenkranz) Subject: diffs for GNU make 3.59 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu if anyone has diffs for GNU make 3.59 for gcc on the ST, could you please send them to me? i have the (an?) executable, but wish to tailor it to my environment. i have original source from prep.ai.mit.edu. the version i have tries to spawn /bin/sh if it detects redirection (i think). otherwise, this version seems fine, at least for my KISS makefiles. i got the ttp from atari.archive. also, can i make a general suggestion that if hard-coded paths to executables and other files (make needs /bin/sh, appearently), that we adopt a more favorable policy to make patching binaries possible? for example, if you have: char *file_name = "c:\\bin\\xxx.ttp"; that you instead use: char *file_name = "c:\\bin\\xxx.ttp\0 "; the \0 after the string truncates it and the spaces provide patch space. include at least 64 total chars of space. this make life MUCH easier for binary patching if u either 1) have no time to recompile, 2) don't have the necessary tools to compile, or 3) don't have the skills to compile. sometimes i find myself in all 3 categories :-). thanx... -bill rosenkra@convex.com -- Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com ------------------------------ Date: 16 Aug 91 14:53:51 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!ford@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Usher) Subject: Lap-link type program? for ST/TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Why not connect your hard disk to the TT? I realise that if the hard drive is an internal one, then this isn't possible. The port on the TT into which to plug the ST hard drive is the one called DMA or ASCI in the TT manual (The 15 pin one near the floppy port). Steve -- <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 841503 --> ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 12:26:26 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.colum bia.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!forwiss.uni-passau.de!scotty!wieninge@arizona.edu (Christian Wieninger) Subject: MEGA STE news To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello out there, last week I called ATARI Germany in Raunheim. I asked ,if they know the problems, which are familiar on the net. And what a supprise, they said, that they know the problems. But there are no plans, how to get them fixed. So we have to wait. The problem of "flipping screen" is perhaps not only a hardware problem. Today I checked the machine-code of the programs, where the problem occures. As you know the screen flipps only on the left, when you switch the screen to another. So there are two ways to make this: - take XBIOS(5) SETSCREEN - or adress directly the screenadress. The best way is the first one. The second oner can make problems. I searched for any xbios(5)-calls, and couldn't find one. So I think the problem occures only if screenswitching is not made by system-call(xbios(5)). Please check too your programs and mail what you have found. I make a summarize. Good luck to all, Christian. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 91 15:44:40 GMT From: coplex!disk!unknown@uunet.uu.net (unknown) Subject: Minix?? Unix on ST?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Can anyone help me out here? I own one of the first 520ST's with TOS in ROM (tos 1.0) and I haven't had access to usenet or any major atari news for a few years.. If my questions take too much bandwidth to answer then please mail me, but I have a feeling that others would also appreciate these answers.. First, What is minix? Is it PD? And I've seen some message that said you could run amiga and atari st binaries? Is that true? And can you run unix? is it included? How compatible are all these things? Second, what are the absolute best programs (PD and other) that would be good to get? I need to get my ST up to date. I'm considering a 520 to 2.5 meg upgrade, but I'd like to know what's out there.. Third, I've read in magazines that Dave Small had such a problem with people copying a software mac emulator that he made older versions PD.. Is this true? And where can I get PD versions of it? Fourth, Is there a good PD (and ANSI standard compatable) Personal Pascal editor/ gIo?'Fompiler? I have Lattice C for the ST, but next year in Highschool I'm taking a class on pascal, and I'd like to be able to continue my work at home.. Thanks!! Also, anything else that an ST user should know, please tell me! Like, how does one get a TOS upgrade to 1.4 or whatever the highest version is? Is it on disk, or cartridge? -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Shawn Beltz :) :) :) The opinions expressed in this message are unknown@disk.UUCP the opinions expressed in this message are uunet!ukma!corpane!disk!unknown the opinions expressed in this message.... ------------------------------ Date: 17 Aug 91 22:54:30 GMT From: atha!aunro!ersys!mforget@decwrl.dec.com (Michel Forget) Subject: Personal Pascal VS. Modula - 2 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello. How does Personal Pascal compare to Modula - 2 (the TDI version) in terms of compiler efficiency? I've written a program in Personal Pascal that uses entirely too much memory, and I think converting it to a different language (one that I have) will result in a program that uses less memory. Modula - 2 is the closest thing I have to Pascal, which will make for a less painful conversion, so that is what I am hoping to convert it to. Any ideas? << ---------------------------------- >> << ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >> << mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca >> << Michel Forget >> << "He's dead, Jim..." - Bones >> << ---------------------------------- >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Aug 91 00:23:52 SST From: "S. Suthipuntha" Subject: SPECTRE & SYSTEM 7 AND THE NEW SPECTRE 256 To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello from Singapore, The Spectre might work with the Beta version of System 7. One netter in England told me that he saw it running on hiss friend 1040STF. I have tried the 'Rock Solid' version which I FTPed from Apple.COM since early June on both Mega 4 and Mac IICi. There is no way that I could get it to work on the Mega 4/ Spectre GCR (As confirmed by Dave himself). On the Mac IICi although it works quite well I got a lot of Line-F errors when running my existing Mac programs and even with 5MB RAM on board I got a 'Memory low' message after running a few programs due to all of them remain resident unless I properly quit each of them after running. I am now change back to System 6.1.5 in order to make use of my existing programs. I therefore do not see much point in using System 7 on Atari /Spectre now especially when you can not use virtual memory. I have to add 6MB virtual memory on top of the 5MB in my IICi to avoid the 'Memory Low' problem. Regarding the 256 ROM for Spectre (or the Spectre 256) In article <1991Aug16.175233.28468@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> cmm1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Christopher M Mauritz) writes: >I remember reading "way back when" and article by Dave Small in which >he said that Apple made it VERY difficult to purchase 256K ROMS. Since >his Spectre relies on the buyer being able to plug in Apple ROMs, it isn't >surprising to me that he hasn't supported this yet. He is walking a very and Chuck Richard responds: Dave Small has been looking into the new Mac ROM clone chips being designed by NuTek for their clone systems. NuTek has said publically that they make their chips available for other clone makers that were interested, so if they actually do get them out, Dave should have no problem using them for the "Spectre 256". bry@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (bryan.nystrom) also writes: >I also read last night on GEnie that Dave is VERY seriously considering >going after the 256K ROM emulation. He had put out "Feelers" about a >month or so ago as to how much interest people would have in the 256K version Aren't the 256K ROMs even harder to get a hold of than those 128K ROMs are now? What good is a new cartridge to use it if we can't get the ROMs? If you can recall there is a Third Party Mac Laptop called "Out Bound" which when it first launch was advertised that it requires the usser to remove the 128K ROMs from the MAC Plus and link it to the ROMless Mac Plus when running The Out Bound at home. However, their latest advertisement in Last month Mac User states that The Out Bound caoms with 512K ROM. Could it be that they are now using the Nu Tek Chip set? Otherwise how can they manage to get the 512K Mac ROMs which is 32-BIT Clean ROM? I have been trying to get one for my friend SE/30 but the Apple people here refused to sale or swap with his SE/30 SIMM ROM card. Another problem in using 256K or 512K ROM with Atari is that Atari Cartridge port can only access(or address?) up to maximum 128K. Dave may have to use DMA port or Expansion slot inside the Atari Mega or VME slot instead of the usual cartridge port which means that the older Atari ST will not be able to the New Spectre 256. Or is it possible to use the Disk drive port similar to the A-MAX II on Amiga? Or could it plugged in to the extra 4 empty ROM sockets on the Atari motherboard? I am sure that Dave must have the solution for it already. Hurry up Dave!!! We are all waiting. Suthipuntha, School of Architecture, National University of Singapore AKISUJAR@NUSVM.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 17 AUG 91 17:11:32 CDT From: Z4648252 Subject: Spectre GCR and System 7 To: Ross Judd writes: > >I am trying to bring up the System 7 Mac operating system under >Spectre 3.0. I built the System 7 version I am using to run on a >MacPlus without printer and network services. So far no luck. >Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks. > System 7.0 is on the very back burner as other projects have greater priority. Dave Says that it can be fixed to work with Spectre, but System 7.0 does so many different things that currently, it just doesn't work. Much of the advise is to wait for the Mac software to be upgraded and possibly wait til 7.0.1 is released. Lots of things broke when 7.0 came out. Some fine tuning needs to be done to 7.0 before things can really get serious. Dave says it will be done. Just be patient. Such a significant OS upgrade as 7.0 will require a wait. Recall that Spectre, by its own right, is more or less a miracle in being able to do what it is doing now. I can wait. Actually, my views are flavored by the fact that the local Mac SE's hard drive was trashed when System 7.0 was installed. The Mac won't even recognize its own drive. I really think that 7.0 needs to be worked on a bit more. Larry Rymal |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<| Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 18:09:37 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!uokmax!occrsh!fang!att!cbnewsd!cbfsb!cbn ewsf.cb.att.com!bry@arizona.edu (bryan.nystrom) Subject: System 7 and Spectre GCR To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu From article <31604@know.pws.bull.com>, by JUDD@CC49.CRL.AECL.CA: > Help! > > I am trying to bring up the System 7 Mac operating system under Spectre 3.0. I > built the System 7 version I am using to run on a MacPlus without printer and > network services. So far no luck. > > Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Ross Judd (juddr@crl.aecl.ca) Dave Small has stated on GEnie that System 7 presently does not work under Spectre 3.0. He said that he will be spending more time on that problem when he gets the SST ( 030 project ) out the door. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 03:05:46 GMT From: ludwig.sharebase.com!glenn@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Glenn Linderman) Subject: TT printing To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu So, I finally got my TT030! My current programming project gets loaded on, and runs slower than on my Mega...until I rework the memory allocation to fast RAM, and then it generates a complete screen of graphics before the Mega starts (given simultaneous commands) to even update the screen. All is wonderful...until I try to print. Even from the Desktop, double-clicking on a text file, it says printing that file, delays proportionally to the length of the file, and quits. Nothing appears on paper. I test the printer from another computer (1040 ST), the printer works fine. I try the computer with another printer, no difference. Both printers work fine with the ST. Neither works with the TT. I try a shorter cable, still nothing. Printers are Epson GQ3500, Toshiba 341. Desktop printer configuration is to the parallel port. Any clues? 2nd problem: I plug the modem cable in to write this message from the TT. As I do so, I hear a disheartening disk spin down...the modem port is right under the power cord, and apparently jiggling the power cord caused either a short or an open...and it wouldn't turn on for several minutes after...I eventually, after delays and more jiggling got it to turn back on. Anybody else seen this? Glenn Linderman glenn@sharebase.com 408-378-7575 x2366 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 91 05:28:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory @arizona.edu Subject: Turbo St To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >> >> Can any one tell me if Turbo St by Softrek is still around, >> if so what is the latest Version.. >> SofTrek is still around, I have version 1.82 and think Turbo is up to 1.83 or 1.84. SofTrek is at P.O. Box 5257, Winter Park, Florida, 32793, phone 407-657-4611. As I recall, upgrades are about $10 US with your old disk. ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************