Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 16 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 439 Today's Topics: .gem to .img conversion question (other ways) Atari earnings Atari ST Software collection for sale Compression (background) Getting UW up and running (2 msgs) Guests wanted for Atari Conferences Lap-link type program? for ST/TT? (3 msgs) Minix question NEED TO SELL ORIGAMI folding editor - what is it ? (2 msgs) Snowball -- great little program. System 7 and Spectre GCR timothy@yoda Unix for TT ??? v_opnwk call (was Dialog Boxes) Xcontrol and Mouse accel Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Aug 91 21:02:12 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!m.cs.uiuc .edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!timothyg@arizona.edu (Timothy Gallivan) Subject: .gem to .img conversion question (other ways) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug13.055149.25640@frmug.fr.mugnet.org> elrond@frmug.fr.mugnet.org (Bertrand Petit) writes: >In article <1991Aug7.215516.13773@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Timothy Gallivan) writes: >> >> The nice thing about this method is that the graphic resolution is >> limited only by the printer (300dpi for a deskjet). Isn't an .img file >> limited to the ST screen resolution (80dpi)? Also, once you have the >> image in postscript form, you can scale it, rotate it, twist it, stretch >> it, etc., without loosing resolution or introducing graininess (is this >> a word?). >> > > Not at all. You can create img files with any resolution. I use >a scanner with the Calamus DTP package and I import 300dpi IMG files in >Calamus without anytrouble. OK, OK, .img files can be any resolution. The point is that once you have an .img file, you are stuck with that resolution. If you need to rescale the image, you have to deal with the problems of this fixed resolution. In some cases this can't be avoided (like with your 300dpi scanner), but PostScript graphics do not suffer from these problems. You can enlarge the image by a factor of 2 and still get 300dpi (or a couple thousand dpi if you have an expensive printer, or a nearby printshop). With GhostScript, mfps, and dvips, you can enjoy the benifits of PostScript on your ST ... for free. -Tim Gallivan timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu timg@landau.ph.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 16:05:18 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis. pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!midway!machine!chinet!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: Atari earnings To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Atari's earnings were just printed in the Wall Street Journal. The plant sale was so much bigger than anything else that a meaningful interpretation of the report would take a lot more information than the little bit in the announce- ment. Two things were noticeable, though: sales were off again, and they seem to have gotten a better price for the plant than originally reported (about $40 million, rather than mid-30s). At heart, I don't think Atari is a real estate company, so the future depends on a supply of machines that people want to buy. Steve ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 19:35:42 GMT From: ncrcom!ncr-mpd!kentd@uunet.uu.net (Kent.Dalton) Subject: Atari ST Software collection for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I sold my ST so my entire software collection is up for sale. I would love to sell all of this as a complete package. Interested parties can e-mail for a complete list. Here are the highlights: Programming/Utility: Minix V1.5 (Unix V7 OS), Timeworks DTP, Flash 1.61, Shadow, Printmaster, Lattice C V3.14, STOS Basic (BASIC specifically for game writing), GFA Basic Games: Falcon 1.2, Gauntlet II, Dungeon Master, Chaos Strikes Back, BattleTech, Wargame Construction Set, Suspect, Infidel, Rogue, Rings of Zilfin Asking $150+shipping. Will accept offers on individual pieces. -- /**************************************************************************/ /* Kent Dalton * EMail: Kent.Dalton@FtCollins.NCR.COM */ /* NCR Microelectronics * CIS: 72320,3306 */ /* 2001 Danfield Ct. MS470A * */ /* Fort Collins, Colorado 80525 * (303) 223-5100 X-319 */ /**************************************************************************/ Fortune: Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom: No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats -- approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 05:13:24 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!as666@arizona.edu (Jonathan Roy) Subject: Compression (background) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu - compression of all data on a system while it is active. I BETA-tested this program, and can tell you it is very well written, and works like a champ with practically all the software, and games, I had at my disposal. THere is only a minimal time loss from teh compression schemes, but you can get some remarkable savings. I suggest you call Double Clik (Or their BBS) directly for ordering information. ||| Jonathan Roy (The Ninja) Internet: as666@cleveland.freenet.edu ||| -- BBS: Darkest Realm - (813) 397-5335 - Public UUCP/Usenet -- / | \ "I dislike killing my guests." -Steven Brust Lynx me up! Citanet: ..!{mast,overmind,tpt4}!darkrealm!the_ninja GEnie: J.ROY18 #### ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 21:51:41 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!u mich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner) Subject: Getting UW up and running To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A while back someone (sorry I can't remember who) said they would post something regarding how to set up unix windows on the st. Could this person please contact me? I'd like to post it to the archive, not mention get it to work myself. Thanks, weiner -- Jeff Weiner --- weiner@{ub.cc, um.cc, atari.archive}.umich.edu Corner of Packard and State, 2nd house from Blue Front on Arbor Couldn't think of a witty saying to go here - give me some time ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 02:35:20 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett) Subject: Getting UW up and running To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, I have been using UW for a while now. To set it up, you must compile the unix source code on the unix system you intend to use it on. Then simply run the uw prog on the st. Make sure you configure the RS232 port in uw to you correct setting. Then simply use hayes commands from the first window uw pops up to dial your unix system, log in as usual, then run the uw executabl e on the unix side. Now you will be able to open additional windows etc from the st side of things. Remember though, that it is adm31 emulation. With a good use of defining the function keys on the st you should be able to connect to non unix systems (I use vm though uw in another window) and get pf keys etc by binding the function keys to their appropriate codes. Good luck ************************************************************************* * J.J. * Internet: JJL101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU * Penn State * * * * Center for * * John Lehett * Bitnet: JJL101@PSUVM * Academic Computing * ************************************************************************* * Atari ST's!, Puzzles, Cryptos, Games, Diplomacy, Synths + Midi * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 08:58:07 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa338@arizona.edu (Mark Leair) Subject: Guests wanted for Atari Conferences To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The Atari Special Interest Group on the Cleveland Freenet server ("freenet-in-b.cwru.edu") is looking for guests on its conferences. What a great way to meet other Atarians and promote your products... For more information please contact me via aa338@po.cwru.edu -- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 21:35:41 GMT From: ludwig.sharebase.com!glenn@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Glenn Linderman) Subject: Lap-link type program? for ST/TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Gotta move my data from my Mega4ST to my TT. Anyone know of a lap-link type program that would work for this? 40MB is a lot to move by floppy...Thanks Glenn Linderman glenn@sharebase.com 408-378-7575 x2366 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 23:45:21 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko) Subject: Lap-link type program? for ST/TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9108142135.AA25429@ludwig.sharebase.com> glenn@ludwig.sharebase.com (Glenn Linderman) writes: >Gotta move my data from my Mega4ST to my TT. Anyone know of a lap-link type >program that would work for this? 40MB is a lot to move by floppy...Thanks > >Glenn Linderman glenn@sharebase.com 408-378-7575 x2366 Hmm,if you can't find any special link things that would work for you, how about a simple null modem? Then you could use any term program (preferably something with Zmodem) and then just transfer away (of course, you'd have to create the folders, but at least it would be a simple and rather inexpensive way to do it). Hope this helps... Robert Anisko rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 10:05:27 GMT From: mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@yale.arpa (Adam David) Subject: Lap-link type program? for ST/TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <9108142135.AA25429@ludwig.sharebase.com> glenn@ludwig.sharebase.com (Glenn Linderman) writes: >Gotta move my data from my Mega4ST to my TT. Anyone know of a lap-link type >program that would work for this? 40MB is a lot to move by floppy...Thanks To extend the question... Does anyone know of a circuit or product to connect up a bunch of Atari computers in a DMA network? Each computer has its own hard disks and other peripherals but they also talk to each other over the DMA bus. I know there are negative as well as positive implications involved with this kind of setup, but it could be real useful where several machines are in the same room. The reason for using the DMA instead of the cartridge port is because it is less likely to be full. Anyone like to discuss this? -Adam David- adamd@rhi.hi.is ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 16:49:50 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice!harold@uunet.uu.net (Harold van Aalderen) Subject: Minix question To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In comp.sys.atari.st Christopher L. Russell wrote: > My question is: Which version is better, the MAC or ST version? The > reason I ask is becuase I have a Spectre so I could run the MAC version. > If they are pretty much the same, it would seem ST would be superior > because I wouldn't have to run it under emulation. Also, I have read that The St version is older than the MAC version so it is likely to be more stable beside if you think you can run a MAC version on a ST with MAC emulator? Don't think it will work, since the emulator catches MAC specific traps and so. MINIX replaces the complete operating system so any system calls are trans lated to the hardware directly not trough an underlying MAC layer > the Amiga and ST binaries are compatible (under Minix) does anyone know if > this is true for MAC as well? Don't know about the binaries (could be) but since minix comes with complete compiler packege it shouldn't be difficult to recompile any source By the way there is a comp.os.minix group (or something like it) try asking them the questions. -- Harold van Aalderen for the time being send replys to: hvaalde@cs.vu.nl exception for hobby.nl domain that should always reach me at harold@alice ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 02:36:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!csn!boulder!horton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY) Subject: NEED TO SELL To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu OK people I am broke and bills of sorts are now about to come in cause Fall semester is starting again. I will need to sell the rest of the remaing atari equipment, but hopefully my TT will come in by end of the year so the stuff present must be sold to pay for bills. The following: ATARI SM124 (7 Months old) cables and all original package. $125.00. ATARI 520 STfm with 1 Meg RAM, DS/DD drive, Battery backed clock, external mount cooling fan. Excellent condition. Comes with 400 DD disks with at least $500.00 software invested. Let say $.40 a disk. Also a 2400 Baud Packard BELL modem. Need $475.00. ICD FAST with Adaptec 4070A and a NEC 68 Meg HD incase in a Digital 40 Watt P/S, two cables to hook to ST or STE etc... Need $400.00. All Hardware are in excellent condition, only the 520 is older than a year old, everything else is about 7 months old. Email me: chuj@horton.colorado.edu chuj@spot.colorado.edu Thanks, Jeff ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 17:15:10 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!nrcnet0!cunews!csi.uot tawa.ca!news@arizona.edu (Christopher Browne) Subject: ORIGAMI folding editor - what is it ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu First comment: VERY IMPRESSIVE! Thank you for your work on ORIGAMI! I was considering to try to port it using Sozobon, which looks like it was NOT a wise idea... and now, wholly unnecessary. The GEM interface is VERY nice! A couple of questions: 1) Would it be possible to put the keybindings for the menu commands on the menu? Read the bindings, at some point, and stick them in? Or is this impractical? T'would be VERY helpful in learning the keystrokes... 2) (Question about commenting for other languages deleted as I found material in the docs. on it. I WILL have to check out how TeX files are dealt with - I THINK that there's no "Begin-comment/End-comment", but rather the single "%" identifier, but I'll have to check that out...) Again, THANK YOU! Very nice package - I will, most likely, be using it as my primary editor, particularly if I can customize it to auto-link to LaTeX files (i.e. - Do a file-fold simultaneously to putting an \input{} in). -- Christopher Browne cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca University of Ottawa Master of System Science Program ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 11:31:18 GMT From: mcsun!unido!urmel!tabaqui!michaels@uunet.uu.net (Michael Schwingen) Subject: ORIGAMI folding editor - what is it ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu cbbrowne@csi.uottawa.ca (Christopher Browne) writes: >First comment: > VERY IMPRESSIVE! Thank you for your work on ORIGAMI! I was >considering to try to port it using Sozobon, which looks like it was NOT >a wise idea... and now, wholly unnecessary. The GEM interface is VERY nice! >A couple of questions: > 1) Would it be possible to put the keybindings for the menu commands > on the menu? Read the bindings, at some point, and stick them > in? Or is this impractical? T'would be VERY helpful in learning > the keystrokes... I have thought about that. I have no idea how to do it flexible enough so that it works if you change the keybindings (without major hacks in keybind). If you have an idea, I will most probably do it. > 2) (Question about commenting for other languages deleted as > I found material in the docs. on it. I WILL have to check out > how TeX files are dealt with - I THINK that there's no > "Begin-comment/End-comment", but rather the single "%" identifier, > but I'll have to check that out...) Origami comments always end at the end of line. So you can simply use '%' as start-of-comment and '' (nothing) as end-of-comment. Same is for assembler, shell scripts, ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Schwingen, Ahornstrasse 36, W-5100 Aachen, Germany michaels@messua.informatik.rwth-aachen.de PLEASE KEEP MAIL FROM OUTSIDE GERMANY SHORT-I HAVE TO PAY FOR INCOMING MAIL ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 03:36:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua ce0@arizona.edu (Michael B. Vederman) Subject: Snowball -- great little program. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug14.051224.25519@netcom.COM> bryanw@netcom.COM (Bryan Woodworth) writes: >I encourage you all to check out Snowball. It's a wonderful little program >that really is a whole lot of fun! Thanks for the this quality ware, >guys. > >-- >Bryan Woodworth Mail: bryanw@netcom.COM >Netcom - Online Communication Services San Jose, CA Awww... Gee shucks, thanks a bunch for the kudos! Just remember that you too will be able to write software as good and better once we release The Game Workbench this December. Let's see, how many days until Christmas shopping season starts? :-) - mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 15:40:14 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu Subject: System 7 and Spectre GCR To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Help! I am trying to bring up the System 7 Mac operating system under Spectre 3.0. I built the System 7 version I am using to run on a MacPlus without printer and network services. So far no luck. Any words of wisdom would be appreciated. Thanks. Ross Judd (juddr@crl.aecl.ca) ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 91 04:29:02 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq .oz.au!marshall@arizona.edu (Marshall Harris (G.M.)) Subject: timothy@yoda To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Sorry to use bandwidth - I can't get mail to timothy@yoda etc. So here is my reply to you! I put gs22b onto my h/disk. I set up the environment ok, I believe. When I trun gs for bj10e it works fine with pure graphics (eg: golfer), but with fonts it won't work. If any font is in the .ps file, nothing is output. If i do the same with epson, it produces output. Also, it produces screen images ok, but nothing when using bj10e option. I'm using the fonts from atari.archive. So I guess the grtaphics part's ok, but bj10e is a bit suspect! Is it because I have only 1meg of memory? -- _-_|\ marshall@cs.uq.oz.au (Marshall Harris)|ph:+61 7 365 2908 / B <--+ Department of Computer Science :fx:+61 7 365 1999 \_.-._/ | University of Queensland, St.Lucia v +--Brisbane, Queensland, 4072 AUSTRALIA (The Sub-Tropics) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Aug 91 18:10:16 GMT From: mcsun!unido!nixpbe!mboen@uunet.uu.net (Martin Boening) Subject: Unix for TT ??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In lahtinen@gideon.gideon.fmi.fi (Kimmo Lahtinen) writes: >I noticed some time ago a question about the availability of TT Unix, >but did not see any answers. I have seen even a price for it, but >can you really buy it somewhere? >By the way am I correct that it is based on Mach kernel? Ahm, no, I don't think so. As far as I know, it is a port of AT&T System V R4 (SVR4). According to people at the diverse fairs I visited, SVR4 was ported instead of SVR3.2 because they wanted to provide a very modern UNIX as a reimbursement for being so late with the TT. So long, Martin ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 17:27:02 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice!harold@uunet.uu.net (Harold van Aalderen) Subject: v_opnwk call (was Dialog Boxes) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Someone wrote (my reply option doesn't work and I just deleted the From line): > So that would mean that "v_opnwk()" in Lattice C is an entirely > bogus command! Neato! :-) I think every manual will state that v-opnwk() is useless in a simular way That doesn't mean that it is true. > Conclusion #1: We need some new books put out on GEM/TOS programming. > Hopefully, some of those books will be the manuals that come with > these compilers. That wouldn't be a bad idea, a book that not only list all GEM/TOS functions but also list how to use them (not only how to call them) The Profibuch does a pretty good job doing this but many things need to be cleared up, most of it I assume can be found in the developpers information from Atari but that is hard to get. > Supposition: "v_opnwk()" is probably necessary for some GDOS commands. > Probably I'll find this out if I ever actually use a GDOS related command. > That's fair enough. In the mean time, I won't worry about it and I > won't use it. v_opnwk() is used by AES to install the desktop. It can be used from within an AUTO folder program to enable the use of VDI aslong as the workstation is closed properly before the program exits. If it isn't AES won't be able the open a new workstation and exits == reboot It seems to me it is needed for opening any workstation using another device than the screen. In that case you will need GDOS since a driver for that device has to be loaded and GDOS will take care of that. -- Harold van Aalderen for the time being send replys to: hvaalde@cs.vu.nl exception for hobby.nl domain that should always reach me at harold@alice ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 17:02:58 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!hgatenl!tedux!alice!harold@uunet.uu.net (Harold van Aalderen) Subject: Xcontrol and Mouse accel To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Ralph wrote: > Are you sure? It's not in a.a's CompInd.Z listing. Don't you mean > MACCEL2? In addition, SYSINFO.PRG lists MACCEL3 as identifying itself > as MACCEL2. SYSINFO merely reads the cookie jar prints a build in message for each cookie that it knows. Since both maccel2 and maccel3 use the same cookie they get the same identification. The last version posted was posted before maccel3 so I did not know it. If I am not mistaken MACCEL3 was posted to comp.binaries.atari.st so it should be in the archives. The version I am running is 3.3. The CPX module was included in the XCONTROL archive which I found in some local BBS. The program was not included in this archive. -- Harold van Aalderen for the time being send replys to: hvaalde@cs.vu.nl exception for hobby.nl domain that should always reach me at harold@alice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 91 19:00:22 -0700 From: atari16 (INFO-ATARI16 (maillist admin)) ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************