Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 16 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 436 Today's Topics: Accelerators for the ST forsale Amigoids from hell Atari CD-ROM? Atari Show - how much? (3 msgs) gnu emacs keybindings and 50 line mode Gobs o' MIDI stuff FOR SALE !!! (gosh!) HiSoft Line_A Versus VDI MIDInet Puting a pixel to screen (2 msgs) TT and Genlock (2 msgs) TT demos and sound samples wanted Version Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Aug 91 05:04:38 GMT From: sequent!muncher.sequent.com!ether!bug!stevef@uunet.uu.net (Steven R Fordyce) Subject: Accelerators for the ST forsale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have come to possess a large number of Processor Accelerators for the 520, 1040, and Mega ST that I will sell for $65 each shipping included. I will sell two for $100. These are new units, in the box, were built by CMI and are fully tested. These accelerators are on multilayer boards that plug into a socket you solder onto the 68000. These boards are built around a 16 MHz 68000 and run at double the standard processor speed. The speed up you get with this product depends on the software you are running, but it runs from 10 to 30%. These boards (there is a different one for the 520/Mega or 1040, so let me know what you want) also accept 68881 floating point unit of any speed, although it doesn't pay to get one faster than 16 MHz. For software that uses the math chip you can get speed ups of eight to ten times or more. There is also a socket for an Atari blitter chip if your machine didn't come with one. You can get these from your Atari dealer. These boards originally sold for around $300. Schematics and PAL equations are available on request. Complete instructions are included. DON'T try to install one of these if you are not handy with a soldering iron and haven't done this kind of thing before! I will not be liable for your mistakes. If you want one of these, call or send a check to: Steven R. Fordyce 6913 Sunnyview Rd NE Salem, OR 97305-9543 (503)362-8637 Steven R. Fordyce uunet!sequent!ether!stevef -- uunet!sequent!ether!stevef I am the NRA Steven R. Fordyce Not all activists are leftists ... We have an energy policy: the free market. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 00:16:54 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!umbc5.umbc.edu!c huck@arizona.edu (Chuck Rickard; ACS (UGRAD)) Subject: Amigoids from hell To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hey guys! Guess what Amiga users are saying about you in the IBM area... In an article, aduncan@rhea.trl.OZ.AU (Allan Duncan) writes: >From article <1991Aug8.005832.20798@herald.usask.ca>, by lowey@herald.usask.ca (Kevin Lowey,159 Physics,(306) 966-4826,(306) 249-3232): >>>> I have noticed that there are more Amiga "gatecrashers" >>>> in other groups than there are other "gatecrashers" into their groups. >>>> Why is this so? Are they all show-offs? Small-dick-syndrome or what? >No, pity on those obliged to put up with MessDros and its kind :-) >Curiously, the intruders into the Amiga areas are mainly crazed Atari >owners. There are few IBMers, presumably they are quite happy in their >cocoon. >Allan Duncan ACSnet a.duncan@trl.oz >(+613) 541 6708 Internet a.duncan@trl.oz.au > UUCP {uunet,hplabs,ukc}!munnari!trl.oz.au!a.duncan >Telecom Research Labs, PO Box 249, Clayton, Victoria, 3168, Australia. Gee, I have read the Atari and IBM groups for some time now, and I never realised that you Atari guys were invading the Amiga newsgroups like crazed maniacs. I guess you can only know people so well... :-) -- Chuck Rickard (chuck@umbc5.umbc.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 91 16:29:22 GMT From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Atari CD-ROM? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <14336@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> kiki@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jack W. Wine) writes: >In article <1896@mwca.UUCP> bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard) writes: >>CD-I players are based on the 68340 chip, a derivative of the 68020, and >>CD-RTOS, a specialized version of OS-9. Since the STE (or TT) can both >>run OS-9, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for either machine to be >>CD-I compatible, though it might take some additional hardware (on a VME >>card?) to support the full motion video. >I hope more information can be given on CD-RTOS... Specific CD-RTOS information is generally only useful to manufacturers of CD-I and related equipment, because you must have a "Green Book" license from Philips to use it. However, OS-9 (which will run on the ST/TT and all other 68xxx-based hardware) information (which at an applications level is virtually identical to CD-RTOS) is available from Microware, (800)475-9000 or (515)224-1929. If you have interest in becoming a CD-I developer (get in early - remember how well Activision did as the first 3rd party Atari VCS developer?) producing multimedia software titles (games, education, reference, entirely new unthought-of applications) contact a Microware rep, who can refer you to vendors of CD-I development tools. >Mating Microware's CD-RTOS with Motorola's M68340 super-muscular micro- >controller sounds awesomely devastating. Supposedly, one series of CD-I >machines will use a Signetics 68070 which is something like a 68K with >integrated DMA, timer and I/O support. While the 68070 was originally to be the CPU for CD-I hardware, I believe that all manufacturers will now be using the 68340 to handle the additional demands full-motion video will require. The difference between the two chips is roughly analogous to the difference between the 68000 and the 68020. >I don't know much about the M68340, but found this info about a close >relation, the M68332: >... A Motorola rep could answer this far more authoritatively, but I believe the difference lies in the support hardware (serial/timer support, etc.). Each chip is best suited for its own particular application; for CD-I the 68340 is most suitable. Sorry if this topic is wandering a bit from the ST/TT, though those machines could certainly play a significant role in CD-I development given the right tools. Follow-up to e-mail or comp.os.os9 may be more appropriate... Disclaimer: My company produces OS-9, CD-RTOS, and other CD-I software/tools. -- ############################################################################## # Bill Sheppard -- bills@microware.com -- {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill # # Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 # ############# Opinions expressed are my own and usually wrong ################ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 09:59:25 GMT From: castle.edinburgh.ac.uk!eang62@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Herbert Sauro) Subject: Atari Show - how much? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Dear Netters, Does anybody know how much (I assume its not free) the enterance fee is for the Atari show in Germany? I've written to Atari and (suprisingly) they sent me their show blurb but no hint as to how much it might cost to enter. One other question, why does a TT cost almost as much as a decent Mac in the UK while in Germany its almost a 1000 pounds cheaper? Herb ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 17:03:27 GMT From: ERCVAX.EDINBURGH.AC.UK!EANG62@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Subject: Atari show - how much? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Dear Netters, Does anybody know how much (I assume its not free) the enterance fee is for the Atari show in Germany? I've written to Atari and (suprisingly) they sent me their show blurb but no hint as to how much it might cost to enter. One other question, why does a TT cost almost as much as a decent Mac in the UK while in Germany its almost a 1000 pounds cheaper? Herb ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 12:07:53 GMT From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!sbuvax!univwa@uunet.uu.net (Bernhard Stumpf) Subject: Atari Show - how much? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9108130959.aa23637@castle.ed.ac.uk>, eang62@castle.edinburgh.ac.uk (Herbert Sauro) writes: > > Dear Netters, > > Does anybody know how much (I assume its not free) the enterance fee is > for the Atari show in Germany? I've written to Atari and (suprisingly) > they sent me their show blurb but no hint as to how much it might cost > to enter. If you mean the Atari fair in Duesseldorf from 23.8.-25.8.91: Last year the enterance was 7.- DM (ca. 2,5 Pounds?) bst ***************************************************************************** * * * Dipl.Ing. Bernhard Stumpf | | | * * / ___ / University of the Saarland | | | * * /----. /__. -/- D-6600 Saarbruecken | | | * * /____/ ___/ /_. / | \ * * phone : ++49-681-302-41.43 / | \ * * e-mail: bestu@sbuvax.rz.uni-sb.de / | \ * * * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 07:24:09 GMT From: van-bc!ubc-cs!unixg.ubc.ca!geog.ubc.ca!peter@uunet.uu.net (Peter Jackson) Subject: gnu emacs keybindings and 50 line mode To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have just set up jrd's gnu emacs port (v18.55) for the ST, and have a couple of questions I'm hoping someone can help with: 1. Is is possible to map the keypad to something useful (besides what is printed on the keys which is not particularly) 2. Is there anyway to get it to display 50 lines of text (in mono)? (I have set nrows 50 in gulam, and tried hi50.prg, however only half of the screen is used by emacs) Thanks for any help. -- ====================================================================== Peter L. Jackson | peter@geog.ubc.ca Atmospheric Science Programme | pjackson@unixg.ubc.ca Department of Geography | usermeso@ubcmtsg.bitnet University of British Columbia | ph:(604)822-2269 fax:(604)822-6150 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 91 22:39:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!nntp-server.caltech.edu!tod@arizona.edu (Tod Edward Kurt) Subject: Gobs o' MIDI stuff FOR SALE !!! (gosh!) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hey everyone, what you've always wanted: a complete MIDI system! (but I will part with the parts --after all: parts is parts) Prices (descriptions follow below): ---------------------------------- Atari 1040 STfm + stuff -- $500 Ensoniq Mirage + other stuf -- $500 Roland MT32 sound module -- $250 Dr.T's KCS 1.7 for ST -- $125 Dr.T's D20/D10/D110 editor -- $75 Kurzweil 1000 series ObjectMover-- $50 MIDImouse MT32 editor -- $50 Ulitmate Keyboard stand + shelf -- $50 Note: all reasonable/irrational offers considered. I'm parting with all of this stuff because my loan shark, Guido, is gonna....no, actually it's because I'm upgrading to a Mac IIci & EPS 16+ and need the cash. All of this stuff is in real good condition (honest!) and has never left my personal hi-tech recording studio (read: my bedroom). I'd prefer if someone in the Ca. area bought the big stuff, but if you really want it, go for it. However, you pay shipping. MIDI computer: Atari 1040 STfm ------------- - 12" color monitor, 2 3.5" 720k drives, Epson RX-80 printer, - 1 Mb Ram, thousands o' colors, good built-in sound - built in MIDI ports (in, out & kinda-thru) - disks & disks of software (not much organization, but, hey, half the fun is finding out all you get!) - but you do get many namebrand games, applications, etc. - and lots o' documentation MIDI software: * Dr. T's KCS 1.7 -- pro quality sequencing software -------------- - not for the weak-hearted, but really powerful - 3 modes: tape-style mode, sequence-mode, song-mode - MPE: Multi Program Environment supported, so you can mulitask your brains out * Dr.T's D20/10/110 editor / librarian - awesome, awesome, awesome. Fully MPE compatible (edit patches while you sequence) - easy to use, easy to get good sounds with - includes 6 banks (6x64 sounds) of way cool stuff * MIDImouse MT32 editor / librarian - cool editor prog, also friendly, easy to use - with librarian Desk Accessory * Kurzweil 1000 series ObjectMover Librarian - works with any 1000 series device (PX, HX, SX) - includes a whole slew of new sounds to play with. MIDI keyboard: Ensoniq Mirage ------------- -awesome classic sampler, 8 voice multitimbral (can be tricked into 16 voices) -MASOS software --advanced sampling effects on board -good keyboard feel (this was my master controller for including release velocity!) -hundreds of sounds on bunches of disks included -great for industrial music (samples body noises and car crashes with zeal) MIDI modules: Roland MT-32 --great powerful little box ------------ - like 8 synths, drum machine, & digital effects in one - used with many compuer games Keyboard stand: Ultimate 3-tier "A"-frame stand --------------- -three tiers for three keyboards or use it like I did and use third tier for computer, mixer, etc -includes hand-made (highest quality) blackblackblack shelf to rest computer-type stuff on -infinitely adjustable to any tilt, position, etc. -goes up & takes down fairly easily whew! you read it all,huh? Okay, this waste of bandwidth brought to you by: Tod E. Kurt EE at large hum fone: 818-578-9952 California Inst. of Tech. werkfone: -ha!- Pasadena, California geekfone: tod@yvonne.caltech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 91 21:51:36 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!well!fh@arizona.edu (Fabian Hahn) Subject: HiSoft To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >Can someone send me an address for HiSoft in England (or a US address if >they have one)? Does anyone know of a better place to obtain the latest >version of Personal Pascal? Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. is the distributer for HiSoft product here in the US. The address is: Goldleaf Publishing, Inc. 700 Larkspur Landing Circle #199 Larkspur, CA 94939 To get more info about their line of HiSoft products or to order call Bob at (415) 257-3513. Bob also handles the reregistration for current owners of HiSoft products that were bought form other sources. Fabian Hahn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Aug 91 14:19:18 BST From: Dave Wade Subject: Line_A Versus VDI To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 12:18:40 GMT From: convex!rosenkra@uunet.uu.net (William Rosenkranz) Subject: Puting a pixel to screen To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu hmmm... so it sounds like the only way to write portable graphics for the ST (in its myriad configurations) is with VDI, and even that might not work. thanx for pointing out my ignorance of this subject. with only a "stock" mega4/sm124 i guess i should not venture into these waters. still, you'd think that these special graphics modifications would tap into the xbios and try and mend things. is the reason why physbase is not guaranteed to be correct because the address is out of "real" memory? is the screen memory mapped into high addresses (like $fxxxxx)? can't the driver translate this for the xbios? it sounds like any program calling Physbase won't run on big screen monitors. the method i posted, however DOES work on "normal" STs. and i think it might work on at least some configuration of TT, tho i have no way of verifying this. -bill rosenkra@convex.com -- Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 00:26:43 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!metro!macuni!suna!ahendo@uunet.uu.net (Ashley Henderson) Subject: TT and Genlock To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article meulenbr@cst.prl.philips.nl (Frans Meulenbroeks) writes: >What I would like to do, is to record TT images onto my VCR. >I'm not very familiar with this subject, but I'm told I need something >like "genlock" to achieve this. >Now I've read somewhere that the TT should support this one way or >another (by grounding a pin of the monitor plug and supplying a sync >signal on another pin, sorry, forgot which pins exactly). >However, as I see it my TT only delivers RGB signals whereas my VCR >needs CVBS. Is there perhaps an easy way to convert RGB signals to >CVBS? Can I use the CVBS sync as input for the TT? >Or doesn't the VCR provide a sync when recording, but should I supply >a sync signal to both VCR and TT?? If anyone knows how to do this with a 1040fm ST('87') could you PLEASE tell me ! I once read about some guys in Scotland who made their own Genlock and do adds for TV on it. Great things could be done with an ST,overscan,genlock and VCR. Thanks a million to anyone who can help. -- _-_|\ ahendo@suna.mqcc.mq.oz.au / \ Computing Services, My opinions are mine. \_.-._/<--- Macquarie University, Worthless,crazy and even v Sydney, AUSTRALIA. stupid, but MINE. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Aug 91 07:05:22 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!nic.funet.fi!lahtinen@uunet.uu.net (Kimmo Lahtinen) Subject: TT and Genlock To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I noticed you request for a Genlock (or similar) for Atari, here is one clue: ELV Postfach 1000 D-2950 Leer Germany fax: +49-491-72030 They are making kits for all kinds of stuff but they have also ready made things. The products you might be interested are: 9197 Genlock for Atari ST DM 298,00 (kit) 9198 """"""""""""""""""" 398,00 (ready made) 9199 ST fix (you need this) 9,95 (kit) 9158 "" 19,95 (ready) 3707 VCP 7001 (RGB->video) 199,95 (kit) PAL 3710 "" 498,00 (ready) PAL 8108 Audio-Video-Prozessor 695,00 (kit) PAL+NTSC+Secam 8109 "" 1198,00 (ready) "" And then you need little soldering skills (at least to put that little fix to your computer) and some ability to read German. That AVP 300 is a superior thing, you could convert between different color systems and mix sound and correct color balance. You could use it without a genlock to record only the computer signal to VCR. With genlock you can combine video and computer graphics. There is also an English company selling genlock for Atari (I think they are PAL): Third Coast Technologies Unit 8, Bradley Hall Trading Estate, Standish, Wigan Lancashire, WN6 0XQ U.K. tel: +44-257-472444 fax: +44-257-426577 -- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kimmo Lahtinen E-Mail : lahtinen@gideon.fmi.fi or Finnish Meteorological Institute kimmo@field.fi Phone : +358 0 758 1322 Possessed by a Spirit G3 Fax : +358 0 758 1396 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 00:57:01 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!sciences.sdsu.edu!ucselx!petunia!cindy!ekrimen @arizona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: TT demos and sound samples wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article meulenbr@cst.prl.philips.nl (Frans Meulenbroeks) writes: >Hi, > >Since I now have my TT for a few weeks I was wondering if there aren't >any neat demo's floating around for the TT. I looked in the >binaries archive and on terminator, but there seemed to be no TT >specific stuff, which exploits the TT graphical and computational >capabilities. Does anyone have a nice demo for me (or a pointer to >where I can find one). Note that I do not have ftp access. > There's a TT demo on GEnie, called something like STARWARS. It's pretty huge, like 800K. >Also I would be interested in a few sound files. I've found quite >a number of players in the binaries group, but no sound files to go >along with it. Of course I mean sound files for the STe/TT DMA sound >subsystem, not .snd files for the TT. There are a couple of utilities for the STE/TT which convert the ST sounds to DMA version. (There's a name for them, isn't there? Signed and unsigned, but I get them confused. :~) I'll send a couple to atari.archive (with a LOT of other stuff :~) when I get caught up and get a local account. -- ||| ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] / | \ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Aug 91 12:07:43 GMT From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: Version To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu What is the HT WAY to check what machine a program is running on (In this case I want to check if it's a MEGA STE with a 16 MHz 68000 as the 8/16 switch adresses bombs on other machines....) Lars-Erik / Registered Developer / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ 0sterud / w/ Atari Scandinavia / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / __________/ _______________________/ ______________________/ ____/ / ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************