Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 15 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 430 Today's Topics: bridge for Atari Double Click Software Ethernet FAX for ST Hardware goodies in US??? Help! Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #429 Is XCONTROL on atari.archive bad? Lattic C (ANSI C) Wanted TOS (GEM) file selector windows TOS (GEM) file selector windows [FSEL wrapper source code] TOS 1.4 with Neodesk 3, or TOS 2.0 (2 msgs) TOS 2.05 & 3.XX, What Machines? Warning: Two versions of Zoo 2.1 what I think about GEM Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Aug 91 13:14:20 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard) Subject: bridge for Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1640@tnosoes.izf.tno.nl> lucassen@tnosoes.izf.tno.nl (Marcel Lucassen) writes: > Hi you out there, > > I wonder if there exists a bridge program (the card game) for the > Atari ST. I know of a bridge program that runs on MSDOS, which of > course can be emulated on the Atari, but hey, this is for my > mother in law.... She'd appreciate any help. > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Marcel Lucassen > TNO Institute for Perception Phone: +31 34 63 562 11 > P.O. Box 23 Fax: +31 34 63 539 77 > 3769 ZG Soesterberg e-mail: lucassen@izf.tno.nl > The Netherlands > ---------------------------------------------------------- Well I do know of one called Bridge Player 2150, but is not PD and comes from the UK. If you e-mail me I can send you some more info on it, that I don't have handy at the moment. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 13:39:36 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu! uace0@arizona.edu (Michael B. Vederman) Subject: Double Click Software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <12365@sbsvax.cs.uni-sb.de> univwa@sbuvax.rz.uni-sb.de (Bernhard Stumpf) writes: > >Hi there, > >wat did happen to DC Software ??? > >I didn't find something new since several weeks, not on > > - atari.archive.umich.edu (dir utilities/doublick is even empty! 9.8.91) I checked this out yesterday (as a matter of fact) just to make sure they got everything we sent. I found the usual directory empty and was wondering, then I noticed that Jeff was kind enuf to give us our own directory in atari/dc Seems we're moving up in the world (in the file hierarchy that is :-). > > - comp.binaries.atari.st > The moderated newsgroup takes a while, since Steve has to download them, check them out, then repost them, not to mention he gets dozens of other posts too. .. >I hope I'll meet you guys from DC on Atari fair in Duesseldorf as announced. > We hope to meet a lot of our net friends too! We just found out that we are in STAND H26 in Halle 12. Be sure to drop by and we'll give you a BIG TEXAS WELCOME! (And hopefully sell you some of our software too - hey, this is costing us an arm and a leg!) >Bernhard - mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1991 12:35 +0200 From: Milan Adamov Subject: Ethernet To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu About Ethernet for ST/TT. I saw in some German magazine that there is company in Mainz which sells it. Could some kind soul from Deutchland tell us how much does it cost? /****************************************************************************/ /* Milan Adamov | */ /* Ratka Vujovica Coce 6 ] | [ There is question that has no answer.*/ /* 11090 Belgrade ---|--- Does my country still exist ? */ /* Yugoslavia ] | [ */ /* EADAMOV@YUBGEF51.BITNET | */ /****************************************************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 15:09:54 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!sp ool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!t821431@arizona.edu (Richard Clarkson) Subject: FAX for ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello Robert Woodcock! I was unable to e mail you from minyos (rmit) is bmw@swanne.ee.uwa.oz.au correct? Let me know if you find out the program that will allow the st to fax out via a modem? email t821431@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 03:55:22 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio- state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!midway!machine!chinet!saj@arizona.ed u (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: Hardware goodies in US??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu We've already established that there are some nice goodies being made for the ST. But does anyone sell these things in the US? In particular: memory expansion of the ST beyond 4 M, and network hardware that permits the ST to be on the same network with 'more popular machines'. Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 3 Aug 91 12:42:47 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!s88 2854@arizona.edu (Tehn Chin) Subject: Help! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu pseemann@iiic.ethz.ch (Patrick Seemann) writes: >In article <1991Aug1.140728.13031@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dhbutler@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (David H Butler) writes: >>Try Chameleon, it only loads one at a time, but lets you dump and load from >>desk any single DA you wish at any time, during any program etc... It takes >>up one slot, and will automatically load whichever DA is called CONTROL.ACX. >You may patch the name of the default ACC in the Chameleon binaries. >Just look for the string C:\CONTROL.ACX and replace it with whatever >you want. You may even load an ACC from anonther drive and/or folder. You can have more than one Chameleon by having two Chameleon accessories loaded. Just have the other copy of Chameleon with a different name. For example, you may have one of them called CHAM1.ACC and the other called CHAM2.ACC. Tehn Yit Chin .All is not what it seems to be.... standard disclaimer apply. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 91 18:59 BST From: "SpeedBall does not refer to a drug cocktail, this is a Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #429 To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am trying to construct a list of games (particularly stategy) publishers / software houses for the ST(e) range. I have not had much luck obtaining addresses of the companies involved and would therefore humbly ask if any netters can either give me some addresses or tell me where I could possibly obtain them. On a different subject, could anyone tell me the expected UK distributuion date and price for the Mega 4 STE as I considering the purchase of such a machine. I would also be grateful if the people who have had distribution of the Mega STE range in their country could tell me of any problems with distribution etc. have occured. Cheers, Neil Ellis. ******************************************************************************* * Neil Ellis * Ken Thompson was once asked, "If you were re- * * York University * designing UNIX what would you do differently?" * * socs142@uk.ac.york.vaxa * He replied, "I'd spell creat with an e." * * (0904) 412606 * - Life With UNIX (a guide for everyone) * ******************************************************************************* * Or from Internet : socs142%vaxa.york.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk * ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 09:59:29 GMT From: timbuk!marc@uunet.uu.net (Marc Bouron) Subject: Is XCONTROL on atari.archive bad? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug8.150603.23767@cs.wayne.edu>, pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes: > I just FTP'd XCONTROL from atari.archive as binary. I tried un-arcing > it on my unix box and my dos box, both of them said they couldn't > handle the archive. Anyone had any success with un-arcing these > files from atari.archive? > -- > Genie - P.HAGGOOD2 Internet -pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu > PRODIGY - Not anymore, Jackson. Bitnet - phaggoo@waynest1 > Phone - (313) 577-0669 > Voice - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!" Be sure to use arc 6.02, which can handle directories. [M][a][r][c] ################################################################################ # # marc@sequoia.cray.com # . . # # Marc CR Bouron # M.Bouron@cray.co.uk (ARPA) # _|\ /|_ # # Cray Research (UK) Ltd. # M.Bouron@crayuk.uucp (DOMAIN) # (_|_V_|_) # # +44 344 485971 x2208 # M.Bouron@uk.co.cray (JANET) # | | # # # ...!ukc!crayuk!M.Bouron (UUCP) # # ################################################################################ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 18:28:33 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bobster@arizona.ed u (Robert Jules Shaughnessy) Subject: Lattic C (ANSI C) Wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am looking for a used copy of Lattic C or any other C that is ANSI compatable. Please send me e-mail with your price, if interested in selling. Bobby Shaughnessy ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 07:52:41 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth) Subject: TOS (GEM) file selector windows To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington) writes: >Then click on the bar at the top of the little window in which the >filenames are displayed. This will prompt TOS to re-read the >directory using the mask you provided. Because of what appears to >be a bug in TOS 1.0, the mask will be wiped out and replaced with >the wildcard *.*, but you'll still get the drive you want. If you click on the up arrow you do not lose the mask you typed. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own ! ! ! ! Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs ! ! Dept. of Computer Science ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk ! ! Heriot-Watt University UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil ! ! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK "That was never 5 minutes!" ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 09:54:55 GMT From: mcsun!cernvax!chx400!urz.unibas.ch!hofer@uunet.uu.net (Remo Hofer) Subject: TOS (GEM) file selector windows [FSEL wrapper source code] To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington) writes: > [In article <1991Aug8.141851.6114@wam.umd.edu>, > dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes ... ] > > > ... To solve this, I wrote a wrapper for > > the file selector that expands an initial . in a pathname to the > > complete specification for the current working directory. I.e., > > ".\*.c" -> "d:\usr\src\*.c". > > This is a good thing to do, and thanks for the code. I've had problems > with some commercial applications (including PageStream) used across > multiple hard drive partitions because the application didn't pass a > full and proper path mask to the fsel. > > ---- > Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota (USA) > steve@thelake.mn.org Wouldn't this be an idea for a dc week utility. A TSR that parses all pathnames before calling the system routine. So these commercial applications will not cause problems to anyone. But the TSR should really be tiny. Else we could use a extended file selector as well. Or is it a challenge for Lars-Erik Osterud to write the smallest path parser in the st world. The best way for sure would be, that the people at atari would change the fileselector to do this stuff. Or does TOS 3.xx already expand paths in the fileselector? Remo Hofer -- RFC822: or X.400: S=hofer;OU=urz;O=unibas;P=SWITCH;A=ARCOM;C=CH HEPNET/SPAN: CHGATE::YOGI::HOFER or 20579::48130::HOFER ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 13:17:43 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard) Subject: TOS 1.4 with Neodesk 3, or TOS 2.0 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug8.112549.26058@cm.cf.ac.uk> stratton@computing-maths.cardiff.ac.uk (Andrew F Stratton) writes: > > The subject almost says it - should I get TOS 1.4 now (Ihave TOS 1.0) > and use with Neodesk 3, or should I wait for TOS 2.0 to come out, and > buy it instead. I have a 6 ROM Atari STM (1985 model), with 2.5 Mbyte memory > and a 20 Mbyte Supra hard disk. > > Please mail to me, and I will summarise to the net. > > Thanks in advance, > Andy.Stratton. Well I think that you will find that TOS 1.4 is all you will be able to get.. TOS 2.0 would be on bigger Roms, 256k not the 192k that is in your system.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 13:52:29 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!onm07@arizona.ed u Subject: TOS 1.4 with Neodesk 3, or TOS 2.0 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug8.112549.26058@cm.cf.ac.uk>, stratton@computing-maths.cardiff.ac.uk (Andrew F Stratton) says: > > The subject almost says it - should I get TOS 1.4 now (Ihave TOS 1.0) >and use with Neodesk 3, or should I wait for TOS 2.0 to come out, and >buy it instead. I have a 6 ROM Atari STM (1985 model), with 2.5 Mbyte memory >and a 20 Mbyte Supra hard disk. > > Please mail to me, and I will summarise to the net. > > Thanks in advance, > Andy.Stratton. (1) It's always a good idea to get Rainbow TOS. (2) As far as I know, there won't be a TOS 2.x for old (192 K ROM) machines. (3) Take a (free) llok at Gemini 1.21, too. It's shareware and lots of people prefer it over other desktops. ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 12:28:22 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!natinst!glens@arizona.edu (Glen Sescila) Subject: TOS 2.05 & 3.XX, What Machines? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have the desire to run TOS 2.05 or above. My question is: Can the 1040STe run one of these versions of TOS? (upgraded to 2 Megs of RAM). Or do I need a MegaE or TT? Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: 9 Aug 91 08:49:15 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!ate@uunet.uu.net (Ate Brink) Subject: Warning: Two versions of Zoo 2.1 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In muts@fysap.fys.ruu.nl (Peter Mutsaers) writes: > > There seem to be two versions of zoo 2.1 available for the Atari ST. > > Before zoo21bin.zoo came available from the binaries newsgroup, I > > recovered from atari.archive the following: > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 1401 327325 Jul 14 23:14 zooV21.zoo > > > This latter version seems to have trouble with the recent postings: > > lynxlib2.zoo and sokobin2.zoo. > >Could you post which and where is the version of zoo2.1 which works >well? I'm not sure anymore which one I had. I tried zooV21.zoo from atari.archive and it didn't work! The version from comp.binaries.atari.st is much better. This version is available at our archive by anonymous FTP or by our Mail-Server. *****> by anonymous FTP: Site: archive.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.5] Login: "anonymous" or "ftp" Password: your email address (you@your_domain) Usage: see the ftp(1) manual on your system File: ATARI-ST/utils/zoo.zoo ATARI-ST/archivers/zoo.ttp Important: don't forget to set binary mode. *****> by our Mail-Server program: 1) The Mail-Server can be reached at the address mail-server@cs.ruu.nl 2) The Mail-Server understands a couple of commands, all commands must be in the message body. The first thing you might want to do is ask it for help: send HELP 3) The Mail-Server will send you the UUENCODED package if you put the following commands in the message body: begin send ATARI-ST/utils/zoo.zoo send ATARI-ST/archivers/zoo.ttp end Note: The zoo.ttp is the binary file in case you don't have an older version of ZOO to extract zoo.zoo. Ate Brink (ate@cs.ruu.nl) Moderator of the Atari archive at the Utrecht University -- Ate Brink, Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands Telephone: +31-30-534408 Email: ate@cs.ruu.nl ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 23:25:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira. uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!m.maus.de!Martin_Gaeckler@arizona.edu (Martin Gaeckler) Subject: what I think about GEM To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >Yea, but even so, its still rather clumsy. Think about the work needed to >copy a file from your floppy to the hard drive. The above is needed, because >(usually), you cant open a window onto the floppy. You could create a >folder called Floppy, and use Preferences to set path to A:, but thats >still awfully clumsy. And why press a keyboard key when using a mouse? >Isnt that the point of a GUI? Windows may be prettier than GEM, but >its _real_ easy to get things done, IMHO No, i'm sorry you are wrong. Coping a file from a floppy disk to the hard disk is the same procedure as you would do with the GEM-Desktop. But If You want to copy a file to an empty disk you can't open a window of that disk, therefore, you have to drag the file to the disk icon of your floppy disk. Then you can open a window. Martin ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************