Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 7 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 426 Today's Topics: "Video Music" .gem to .img conversion question .gem to .img conversion question (other ways) Atari CD-ROM? Atari sound chip Dialog Boxes HiSoft (2 msgs) mac fonts in gem/signum format PC Mouse on an ST PI3 --> .MAC PRODIGY and PC-Ditto rec.games.video SC1224 for sale sozbonobon and vdi TOS (GEM) file selector windows (2 msgs) Turbo-C Wanted HiSoft C Warning: Two versions of Zoo 2.1 zoov2.1 Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Aug 91 21:57:55 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!natinst!glens@arizona.edu (Glen Sescila) Subject: "Video Music" To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anybody know anything about Atari's "Video Music" product? (such as history/number of sales). This is a pretty neat little device that hooks to your stereo and displays different patterns in sync with the music. (I managed to get my hands on one recently). ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 20:37:17 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!think.com!yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!fischer-mic hael@arizona.edu (Michael Fischer) Subject: .gem to .img conversion question To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know of a program to convert .gem files (produced by Easydraw) to .img files (which can be included in a TeX document using dviprint from the "showdvi" package)? -- ================================================== | Michael Fischer | ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 21:55:16 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uwm.edu!ux1. cso.uiuc.edu!timothyg@arizona.edu (Timothy Gallivan) Subject: .gem to .img conversion question (other ways) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug7.203717.6382@cs.yale.edu> fischer-michael@CS.YALE.EDU (Michael Fischer) writes: > >Does anyone know of a program to convert .gem files (produced by >Easydraw) to .img files (which can be included in a TeX document >using dviprint from the "showdvi" package)? I don't know about the .gem to .img conversion, but if you can't find such a program, there is another (better?) way to do this. Convert the .gem file to PostScript with mfps. Include the graphic in a TeX document using dvips. Print the resulting postscript file using GhostScript. All of the needed software is on atari.archive. The nice thing about this method is that the graphic resolution is limited only by the printer (300dpi for a deskjet). Isn't an .img file limited to the ST screen resolution (80dpi)? Also, once you have the image in postscript form, you can scale it, rotate it, twist it, stretch it, etc., without loosing resolution or introducing graininess (is this a word?). Also, GhostScript can convert .ps files to bitmapped images in .ppm format. I am told that there are utilities for converting from .ppm format to other standard bitmap formats. -Tim Gallivan timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 01:24:55 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-ser ver.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura) Subject: Atari CD-ROM? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <8159@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM> boblu@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM (Robert Luneski) writes: >In article <1896@mwca.UUCP> bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard) writes: >> >>Before you run out and buy a CDTV please wait for CD-I (Compact Disc >>Interactive). CD-I, the next generation of CD player (developed by >>Philips, Sony, and Matsushita) will play current audio CDs as well as >>mega-games and full-motion video (roughly VHS quality). Probably >>advantages over CDTV are that the nine largest consumer electronics firms >>in the world will be producing CD-I players, so the software support should >>be tremendous. Availability is slated for October in Europe, probably a few >>months later in the US (but I could be wrong either way). >> > >Before you hold your breath for the introduction of CD-I, consider that >Phillips has been promising it's imminent introduction for the last three >years. Sound like any company we know? Nah.... :-) Actually, you're somewhat wrong about that. Philips *didn't* promise it's "imminent introduction for the last three years." Quite to the contrary, in the early days they specifically said it was going to take time and if you look back at the announcements and discussions, CD-I is fairly well "on time." Furthermore, you can as far as I know get actual CD-I development systems right now. There are a lot of myths and misunderstandings about CD-I. Maybe someday I'll say more, but right now I'm burned out. I did read today that Nintendo is going to back CD-I. Strange world. -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 18:09:00 GMT From: dftsrv!nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov!egoldberg@ames.arpa (Eli Goldberg) Subject: Atari sound chip To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, on a local Atari BBS, a certain user has been talking about the "new" sound in either the STe or TT, and explaining how you can get infinite voices and about some $1 sound cartridge. Being an ST owner who flew the coop 4 years ago, none of this seems logical, although I've heard that the STe has 2 voice stereo sound in addition to the analog chip. Can someone here who is familiar with the details explain all of this to me (i.e. is this person right, full of, uh, commodore hardware, etc) Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Great Pride Shall Earn Equal Humiliation" - Mercedes Lackey The whatever this will be appended to was gronked by Eli Goldberg's hands (EGoldberg.gsfc.nasa.gov) The National Space Society says, "NSS members do it in orbit!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 01:15:46 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu !watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura) Subject: Dialog Boxes To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <91218.172642ZVM055@DMSWWU1C.BITNET> ZVM055@DMSWWU1C.BITNET (U.Kuehn) writes: >In article <1991Aug6.015143.20026@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura) >says: >>Dialogue boxes would open and close and disappear, but >>anything printed under the dialogue box would disappear when it >>closed. Now that I have a new VDI workstation and window openning >>up the dialogue boxes don't disappear after they're closed. >>So far I haven't seen anything in the manuals that would account >>for this (the Lattice C manuals I've been talking about that is). >When you have reserved the area under the box using form_dial() and give this >area back after closing the box, the GEM will send a redraw message to the >former owner of this area. If it was the desktop, the the owner is GEM and it >draws the background over all which was there to hide the box. >If there was a window, the owning application has to redraw it for GEM does >not save anything exept under dropdown-menues and alert-boxes. > Many thanks to all who replied! I've decided to try to use the 'vro_cpfm()' blitter call to save and restore the material under the dialog boxes. So far, it's crashing. I'll be looking at it again tomorrow. If I can't figure out why it's crashing I'll post it. One thing I'm curious about right now: Is there any reason to open the "physical workstation" if you aren't going to be using GDOS calls? I haven't found anything in the Lattice C docs telling me when and where you use 'v_opnwk()' as opposed to 'v_opnvwk()' except that you can *only* use 'v_opnwk()' if GDOS is present. But everything I've done (except the 'vro_cpyfm() call) has been working so far without my using 'v_opnwk()' at all. -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 20:50:23 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!pwp% iuvax.cs.indiana.edu@arizona.edu (Paul Purdom) Subject: HiSoft To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Can someone send me an address for HiSoft in England (or a US address if they have one)? Does anyone know of a better place to obtain the latest version of Personal Pascal? ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 01:03:42 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!jarthur!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sw rinde!@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: HiSoft To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug7.205102.27984@news.cs.indiana.edu> pwp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Paul Purdom) writes: > Can someone send me an address for HiSoft in England (or a US address if > they have one)? Does anyone know of a better place to obtain the latest > version of Personal Pascal? Was this the OSS Pascal, ? well that went to ICD...but correct me if I am wrong.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 17:11:50 GMT From: mcsun!cernvax!chx400!bernina!iis.ethz.ch!kiwi@uunet.uu.net (Rene Mueller) Subject: mac fonts in gem/signum format To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu hi atari-hackers, i search the original mac-font in gem or signum format. can you help me with a ftp address or ... anything else. bye rene ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 19:03:34 GMT From: ncrcom!ncrcam!mreiss@uunet.uu.net (mreiss) Subject: PC Mouse on an ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I know, this has been discussed before. Problem is I didn't think I was interested then and now I find I am. What I want to know is how can I connect a PC Mouse to an Atari ST. Can someone send me the diagram to do this? Also, the PC Mice that I have the easiest access to are async devices. Can I connect these to an Atari? I seem to remember that you can, but I am not sure. I hope so. Can someone tell me how? Since this has been around before, please respond via e-mail. mike -- Michael A. Reiss | | mike USENET = Mike.Reiss@CambridgeOH.NCR.COM | ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 15:00:00 GMT From: nic.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid) Subject: PI3 --> .MAC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hey folks, I'm looking for a way to convert High Res Degas pictures to Mac Paint format. I know that pic switch 6 will go from Mac Paint to Degas so I assume the reverse is possible. Anyone have the program to do it? Either an FTP site or a .UUE file sent through E-mail would be great. Thanks, Stephan -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves Salamanders Are Cool... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 03:39:59 GMT From: vuse.vanderbilt.edu!feather@uunet.uu.net (David V. Feather) Subject: PRODIGY and PC-Ditto To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A friend of mine gave me a PRODIGY starter kit as a wedding gift. I have an original copy of PC-Ditto and tried to run the Install program. Everything seemed to go fine during the installation. I have no hard disk only one 3.5 and one 5.25 external. The boot disk made by the install program had "data errors" when I tried to run the PRODIGY file written by Install. This was with the installation on the 3.5 disk. Several attempts, same results. Next, I reconfigured PC-Ditto to use the external 5.25 drive as drive A. For this option, I had to use a 3.5 disk as disk B and format it to 360K. (PRODIGY knows I have an A and B drive and wants to use both.) After Install ran, the PRODIGY program executed fine from the 5.25 drive util it tried to get files from drive B, the 3.5. Again "data error." The drive has always worked great and has never given a problem while used either for Atari or IBM. Any suggestions? Is there a later version of PC-Ditto that can be configured for only one drive, external, 5.25 ? My version always tries to use the internal drive, either as drive A for a single drive system, or as A or B for a dual drive system. I think the software would work if I could only install one drive, the 5.25 . All of the files written to that disk are fine. Thanks, Dave Reply either to News or feather@vuse.vanderbilt.edu -- David V. Feather Email: feather@vuse.vanderbilt.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 13:52 CST From: "Come to the Offworld colonies..." Subject: rec.games.video To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu How does one subscribe to rec.games.video from bitnet? Normally I would subscribe to a list with a command like subscribe anthro-l Brook Bakay send to a particular listserver at a particular node, however this obviously doesn't apply here. Any info would be appreciated. Brook Bakay Bakay1b@ureginav.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 22:59:46 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!umich!ulowell!woods.ulowell.edu!coteb@ arizona.edu Subject: SC1224 for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For sale: Atari SC1224 color monitor. One of the older models I think. It is in good condition but hasn't been used in about 6 months and I don't have the CPU anymore. I am selling it for $160 plus shipping. Reply here or call (508)683-5348 after 6pm EST. Thankk you. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 01:30:23 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.e du!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!cunyvm!jokhc@arizona.edu (Joshua Kronengold) Subject: sozbonobon and vdi To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu since sozobon doesn't support such funtions as v_openvwk, graf_handle, and appl_exit, is there anywhere I can get a library of gem functions compatible with it. ------- *********************************************************************** * JOSHUA KRONENGOLD * * * * "Oh Lord, what fools these mortals be!" * * Robin Goodfellow * * "Never underestimate man's potential for stupidity * * Woodrow Wilson Smith * *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 22:32:50 GMT From: world!azog@uunet.uu.net (azog-thoth) Subject: TOS (GEM) file selector windows To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Ive got a 2 floppy drive, no hard drive ST system, and TOS 1.0 and want to ask a general question about the file selector window of TOS... When a file selector window pops up, at the top is listed the path. I change the path to the other drive (say B:/) and press the OK button, but the window closes without giving me a file list. Is this a bug or a feature of TOS 1.0? If so, is it fixed in later releases? I ask because I use a MIDI software package that is copy protected :-( and in the future I would like to get a hard drive. I can run the executable off the floppy fine, no problem with me. But I would like to store my sequences, etc, on the hard drive. But the above solution would not work. Seems that you can only open a file thru the file selector window that is on the same drive. Yes no maybe? Thanx +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Billy D'Augustine | I beg to differ! | | azog@world.std.com | -- Prong -- | +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 01:16:47 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!jarthur!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sw rinde!@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: TOS (GEM) file selector windows To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug7.223250.25322@world.std.com> azog@world.std.com (azog-thoth) writes: > > > Ive got a 2 floppy drive, no hard drive ST system, and TOS 1.0 > and want to ask a general question about the file selector window > of TOS... > > When a file selector window pops up, at the top is listed the path. > I change the path to the other drive (say B:/) and press the OK ~ ~~ *** Change this to (say B:\) and click on the *** top selector window bar.. *** > button, but the window closes without giving me a file list. Is > this a bug or a feature of TOS 1.0? If so, is it fixed in later > releases? > > +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ > | Billy D'Augustine | I beg to differ! | > | azog@world.std.com | -- Prong -- | > +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ Yes go get TOS 1.4, I now have it and wondered how I lived with out it before. Yes there are now drive selector buttons for drives up to 'P'.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 16:35:55 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.col umbia.edu!lll-winken!aunro!apss!ersys!ggranger@arizona.edu (Greg Granger) Subject: Turbo-C To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Martin_Gaeckler@m.maus.de (Martin Gaeckler) writes: > > gaudreau @ east.sun.com am Mo, 29.07.91 17:06 in ATARI.ENG > > >=PureC is an improved version of TurboC 2.0 - they have improved compiling > >=speed and and the help system, and a new assembler (68000-68040) is > >=included. As an owner of TurboC2.0 ('Profi-Pack' - incl. Source-Level > >=debugger etc.), the update would cost me 150.- DM - I think that's pretty > >=much money for the minor improvements I would get :-( > > > >Could you provide more information on what the update involves/costs/etc. > > The Most important improvements of Turbo C to Pure C: > - Debugger will run in all resolutions tha provide at least a 80 * 25 char- > acter screen. > - It will able to debug DAs. > - There will be a new assembler with 68040-, NewLibraryFormat- and Debugger- Now that Pure C (aka Turbo C 2.0) is no longer being distributed by Borland, what will it take for the new distributers to convert the documentation into English? I would imagine that since Borland no longer has any rights to Turbo C, there should be no contractual problems with converting the documentation into English. Greg Granger < InterNet: ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca > "Gimme the strongest < FoReMNet: Greg Granger @ 532 or Dark Knight @ 595 > thing you've got." < Mail Adr: 5906-188 St. Edmonton, AB Canada T6M-2A9 > < Phone : +1 403 481-0803 or +1 403 481-5110 > - Lt. Frank Drebin ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 17:24:50 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!agate!usenet.ins. cwru.edu!eagle!csduts1.lerc.nasa.gov!fsctc@arizona.edu (Clarence T. Chang) Subject: Wanted HiSoft C To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am looking to purchase a copy of HiSoft C that someone no longer needs. I wish to learn C programming using the interpretive C. Would anyone have such a deal for me? Clarence T. Chang fsctc@csduts1.lerc.nasa.gov ------------------------------ Date: 8 Aug 91 00:17:56 GMT From: convex!rosenkra@uunet.uu.net (William Rosenkranz) Subject: Warning: Two versions of Zoo 2.1 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes: >There seem to be two versions of zoo 2.1 available for the Atari ST. >Before zoo21bin.zoo came available from the binaries newsgroup, I >recovered from atari.archive the following: here we go again. now zoo is going to be ruined like lharc was. i suggest that all those people who care to dabble with zoo 2.1 (and intend to post it) get together and organize. there should be one version, not 10. since there was a quasi-official version posted by our esteemed moderator, i suggest at least initially, that we limit ourselves to that version ALONE for posting zoo'd archives of any form (well, 2.01 is ok, too). i hate to speak for steve, but it would not be a bad idea to either post here your intentions for working on zoo or drop steve a line and let him summarize who is doing what. if i had the time, i'd volunteer to coordinate the zoo effort, but i don't. besides i'd rather work on more interesting applications (like nroff 2.0 which i just started). i can live with slow/ big archives, as long as i can unpack them :-( and it would not be a bad idea to contact rahul dhesi as well once we have a working, optimized version and let him #ifdef atarist into the official distribution. if you do work on zoo, do NOT change the algorithm and do NOT change the file format. optimize the heck out of it and even improve the interface but do NOT do anything which would render archives unarchivable by the "standard" release. -bill rosenkra@convex.com -- Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 19:07 EST From: aluminum foil ball Subject: zoov2.1 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, Please disregard the earlier posting of ZooV21.zoo that is on atari.archive.umich.edu! It has the source code included, but was a quick hack to get it up and running on the ST. Now since somebody has picked up and added some features and is maintaining it, there is no need for my hacked up port. P.S. has anyone used fsm GDOS with Gemini V1.21? I am very interested in seeing how much of a speed increase there is in the GDOS font output routines. As it stands running a shell in the console window is rather slow because of speed of the GDOS output text functions. Regards, Scott Kolodzieski ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************