Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 6 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 424 Today's Topics: 2.5 Meg ST for Sale (loaded) (3 msgs) Atari CD-ROM? (2 msgs) C-manship Dialog Boxes Fractint Info-Atari16 Digest V91 Laser C source level debugger lynx Maxtor in TT MINIX/TT nothing in particular PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC (4 msgs) Plea for help <-- dead 1040! Spectre GCR Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Aug 91 21:19:12 GMT From: uupsi!stiatl!iam@rice.edu (Ian Mercado) Subject: 2.5 Meg ST for Sale (loaded) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu FOR SALE: Atari 1040 ST w/2.5 meg upgradable to 4 2 megs worth of 1Mbit 150ns chips 50 megs of hard drive storage all in one SH204 case 1 QMI Deskcart cartridge w/ battery backed up clock (Brand new battery) 1 external DS floppy drive 1 SC1224 Color Monitor 1 SM124 Monochrome monitor 1 Astra monitor switching device 1 Atari joystick Boxes and boxes of disks Best REASONABLE offer takes it all. -- -------- ---- ---- -- | Ian Mercado: iam@stiatl.salestech.com | -- - - ----- -- | emory!stiatl!iam | -- -------- -- ----- | | -------- -- -- -- ---- | "Can't keep my mind from the circling sky" | ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 14:27:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.roches ter.edu!lchd_ltd@arizona.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----) Subject: To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1266.289e2de7@vger.nsu.edu> ** Sender Unknown ** writes: > > When I recently upgraded my NeoDesk to patch 3.02, I > I seem to recall a discussion of the problem of finding an > If Atari ever wants to rerelease WUP, it has a lot to do. Fix > Oh yeah, moral of this story, when debugging a NeoDesk >Path: uvaarpa!haven.umd.edu!ames!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!kir a!news >From: pegram@kira.UUCP (Robert B. Pegram) >Subject: Word Up 3.0 and the PATH >Message-ID: <1991Aug5.201253.22070@uvm.edu> >Sender: news@uvm.edu >Organization: Univ. of Vermont, Eng., Math., and Bus. Admin. (EMBA) Computer Facility >Date: Mon, 5 Aug 91 20:12:53 GMT >Lines: 8 > >Sometimes I wonder if it's all worth it; then I look at a bare desktop >8-). > >Bob Pegram > >pegram@{griffin,kira,sadye,newton}.uvm.edu > or >...!uvm-gen!pegram BOB!!!ENOUGH!!!CALM DOWN!!! ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 15:21:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kurto @arizona.edu Subject: To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug6.142734.10109@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----) writes: > In article <1266.289e2de7@vger.nsu.edu> ** Sender Unknown ** writes: > > BOB!!!ENOUGH!!!CALM DOWN!!! Guys, I don't think Bob keeps posting this. I would guess a mailer/news posting problem. So lets not take it out on Bob, OK? Talk to your news manager and see if you can figure out how to kill it (like sending out cancelation notices? or maybe something else.) Kurt Olsen kurto@cc.usu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 15:27:57 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kurto @arizona.edu Subject: To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug6.092129.48651@cc.usu.edu>, kurto@cc.usu.edu writes: > In article <1991Aug6.142734.10109@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----) writes: >> In article <1266.289e2de7@vger.nsu.edu> ** Sender Unknown ** writes: >> [Stuff about being nice, blah, blah, blah] > > Kurt Olsen > kurto@cc.usu.edu Look at the message. It has two paths, I think that Bob's message somehow got slapped on top of, but not completely covering someone elses message. Also check your message ID's for the various message of subject , they are all different. So you might want to place something in your kill files to temporarily wipe these suckers out. Then once they've been expired from the net, we can remove those from our kill files. What to put in the kill file, I don't know, any suggestions? Or any other ideas about getting rid of these messages? Kurt Olsen kurto@cc.usu.edu PS - Bob, I'm not trying to get you "black-listed" (ie. stuck in everyones kill files), but these do need to be taken care of, somehow. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 17:50:41 GMT From: mcrware!mwca!bill@uunet.uu.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Atari CD-ROM? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug5.124752.6807@csv.viccol.edu.au> gjocc@csv.viccol.edu.au writes: > I noticed with interest the release of the CDTV from Commodore. > ...I have seen magazine articles on computer games in development for the > CDTV, that sound very impressive. > Commodore seem to be pushing this multi-media hype stuff pretty hard, > if it catches on I could be persuaded to by a CDTV for the mega games > that will be available. Before you run out and buy a CDTV please wait for CD-I (Compact Disc Interactive). CD-I, the next generation of CD player (developed by Philips, Sony, and Matsushita) will play current audio CDs as well as mega-games and full-motion video (roughly VHS quality). Probably advantages over CDTV are that the nine largest consumer electronics firms in the world will be producing CD-I players, so the software support should be tremendous. Availability is slated for October in Europe, probably a few months later in the US (but I could be wrong either way). > It seems to me that a STE with CD-ROM and the right software could > perform similar functions. CD-I players are based on the 68340 chip, a derivative of the 68020, and CD-RTOS, a specialized version of OS-9. Since the STE (or TT) can both run OS-9, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch for either machine to be CD-I compatible, though it might take some additional hardware (on a VME card?) to support the full motion video. -- ############################################################################## # Bill Sheppard -- bills@microware.com -- {uunet,sun}!mcrware!mwca!bill # # Microware Systems Corporation -- OS-9 / OS-9000 / CD-RTOS -- (408)980-0201 # ############# Opinions expressed are my own and usually wrong ################ ------------------------------ Date: 7 Aug 91 00:10:33 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!boblu@uunet.uu.net (Robert Luneski) Subject: Atari CD-ROM? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1896@mwca.UUCP> bill@mwca.UUCP (Bill Sheppard) writes: > >Before you run out and buy a CDTV please wait for CD-I (Compact Disc >Interactive). CD-I, the next generation of CD player (developed by >Philips, Sony, and Matsushita) will play current audio CDs as well as >mega-games and full-motion video (roughly VHS quality). Probably >advantages over CDTV are that the nine largest consumer electronics firms >in the world will be producing CD-I players, so the software support should >be tremendous. Availability is slated for October in Europe, probably a few >months later in the US (but I could be wrong either way). > Before you hold your breath for the introduction of CD-I, consider that Phillips has been promising it's imminent introduction for the last three years. Sound like any company we know? Nah.... :-) ____________________________________________________________________________ Bob Luneski boblu@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM Genie: B.LUNESKI1 The opinions expressed herein are my own and in no way reflect the opinions of Tektronix, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 22:41:35 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!galileo.cc.ro chester.edu!news@arizona.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----) Subject: C-manship To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Looking for a used C-manship. Please e-mail me if you have one to sell. Thanks. .. Ling Cherd ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 16:16:52 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c!zvm 055@arizona.edu (U.Kuehn) Subject: Dialog Boxes To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug6.015143.20026@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura) says: >Dialogue boxes would open and close and disappear, but >anything printed under the dialogue box would disappear when it >closed. Now that I have a new VDI workstation and window openning >up the dialogue boxes don't disappear after they're closed. >So far I haven't seen anything in the manuals that would account >for this (the Lattice C manuals I've been talking about that is). When you have reserved the area under the box using form_dial() and give this area back after closing the box, the GEM will send a redraw message to the former owner of this area. If it was the desktop, the the owner is GEM and it draws the background over all which was there to hide the box. If there was a window, the owning application has to redraw it for GEM does not save anything exept under dropdown-menues and alert-boxes. Ulrich +---------------+----------------------------+-----------+ | Ulrich Kuehn | Internet: | no MOTD | | Stud.Math.Inf | kuehn@math.uni-muenster.de | found yet | +---------------+----------------------------+-----------+ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 13:53:37 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!agate!linus!linus!mbunix .mitre.org!cazier@arizona.edu (Cazier) Subject: Fractint To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is posted for a friend: A *long* while back I saw someone talking about having converted FRACTINT to the Atari ST. From the messages, it appeared nearly done. But, I never saw any posting about a finished product. I was wondering what happened to it. If it did get posted then is there an internet ftp site for it? Please e-mail the response since I don't access the "atari" group at all. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Aug 91 11:59:52 MST From: Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 To: From: Bonnie M. Klassen Library Specialist Arizona State University UNSUBSCRIBE INFO A16 Bonnie M. Klassen (602) 965-1892 In-Reply-To: note of 08/06/91 11:28 ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 14:02:38 GMT From: van-bc!jonh!jhenders@uunet.uu.net (John Henders) Subject: Laser C source level debugger To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <3216@cod.NOSC.MIL>, Mike Healy writes: >Does anybody have Megamax's current phone number and mail address? Last time I called it was 1-(214)-699-7400 -- John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca Vancouver,B.C or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 11:16:30 GMT From: ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: lynx To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu where are all the new softs people!!! ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 14:18:25 GMT From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!sbuvax!univwa@uunet.uu.net (Bernhard Stumpf) Subject: Maxtor in TT To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi there! I need some harddisk help: I want to change my built-in Seagate ST157N-1 and to replace it with my new Maxtor LXT 213 SY. My machine is an Atari TT030/6 with TOS 3.01, diskdriver AHDI 4.0. I got only one data sheet with the disk, it says (in german): Jumpersetting: ... Jumper 5 (PIN 9,10) activates the Parity (cannot be switched off) Jumper 4 (PIN 7,8) chooses the spin power option Questions: 1. I know that the ICD Host Adaptor (often used to connect the ST 157N-1 with a Mega ST) is not able to drive a SCSI disk without paritity. This is an information from ICD Germany. Will the host adaptor in the TT (bought 11/91) be able to drive my new 210 MB disk? 2. What does Jumper 4 mean??? Thank for your replies, i won't install the new disk before! BTW: Does somebody know how to connect the ST157N-1 with my Megafile 44? I want to install it in the same case, are there any built in frames to hold the disk? Thanks Bernhard ***************************************************************************** * * * Dipl.Ing. Bernhard Stumpf | | | * * / ___ / University of the Saarland | | | * * /----. /__. -/- D-6600 Saarbruecken | | | * * /____/ ___/ /_. / | \ * * phone : ++49-681-302-41.43 / | \ * * e-mail: bestu@sbuvax.rz.uni-sb.de / | \ * * * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 07:31:10 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!prle!prles2!cstw18!meulenbr@uunet.uu.net (Frans Meulenbroeks) Subject: MINIX/TT To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, Since mentioning MINIX/TT several people asked about its state and availability. Well, here are some of the answers on the frequently answered questions. 1) Does MINIX/TT exist? Yes, from a certain point of view it is. I have it running on my system. However it is not yet finished. 2) Have parts of MINIX/TT been posted to the net. No. I don't consider it "good enough" 3) Is there another way to get a copy? Mmm. Depends. If you can live with the current version and you have MINIX/ST we can arrange that I send you some diffs to this version. As a return favour I'd like to hear from you how you are going with it. Do not ask for a copy if you do not feel competent to hack the kernel. Also please give me some motivation what you want to do with the stuff. Remember that every request I have to deal with costs some time, which cannot be used for further developments of MINIX/TT Also please describe your hardware. 4) What is the current state of MINIX/TT It works. That is, every MINIX/ST program runs on it. It supports external asci hard disks, and probably one serial port (I still have to convert from 25 pin cables to 9 pin cables). I suppose the printer will also work, but I don't have a parallel printer to test this out. 5) What needs to be done? Quite a lot: - support fast ram (there is some code, but it need to be polished) - support the real time clock - make use of the mmu and remove the shadowing code - support the internal hard disk (scsi port) - support the additional rs232 ports - clean up stvdu and the font stuff to deal with the TT resolutions. 6) When will this be finished? No idea. Hopefully somewhere this autumn. remeber this is an evening job, and that my time is rather limited. Hope this informs you all a little. PS: something unrelated: if you read to here, you probably own a TT. If so, and if you know/have a nice demo which demonstrates the TT capabilities (e.g. a nice graphic or sound demo), please mail me a copy. Thanks. -- Frans Meulenbroeks (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl) Philips Research Laboratories ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 16:46:00 GMT From: lewhoosh.umd.edu!jeffy@umd5.umd.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Subject: nothing in particular To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Oh dear, chuckie@pro-odyssey seems to have shown up again. This time he drools, amongst rationalizations for wanting to pirate software: >has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and >company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any >policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we >all feel. Or maybe it has something to do that Alan Pratt, who does most of the posting from Atari, works in the R&D *technical* side of Atari and has nothing to do with decisions about how longs products are witheld and various other business decisions. What a concept! Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen | | | Laughing, loving, | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe | ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 11:16:24 GMT From: ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In-Reply-To: message from grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we all feel.if they were in touch with the atari community maybe they would catch on !!what a concept!!!!! ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 16:29:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!boulder!news @arizona.edu (Todd C. Miller) Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug6.111624.769@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com (Chuck Schul) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk > >has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and >company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any >policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we >all feel.if they were in touch with the atari community maybe they would >catch on !!what a concept!!!!! Could it be that they are programmers and not PR types? Yeah, that's the ticket Lets not lose a great source of (technical) information by alienating A. Pratt and Ken B. Remember, they don't get paid to answer questions on the net. - todd -- Todd C. Miller | "But all the politiCIAns now millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU | They have no excuse al804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu | They just hide behind their power University of Colorado @ Boulder | And keep us from the truth" - Roger McGuinn ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 18:54:25 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!b.ee.engr.uky.edu!parsons@arizona.edu (Greg Parsons) Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug6.111624.769@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com (Chuck Schul) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk > >has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and >company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any >policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we >all feel.if they were in touch with the atari community maybe they would >catch on !!what a concept!!!!! >---- Considering that they give a hell of a lot better input to this newsgroup than you have, you shouldn't criticize. However, the answer to your question could be: 1) Because they are not in charge of releasing products 2) Because they aren't allowed to release policy information 3) Because it's not their job. (See number one). 4) Because they hate YOU. I suppose it would be silly of me to tell you to get a spell-checker. -- parsons@b.ee.engr.uky.edu Born with a steering wheel in my hand, and lead in my feet! The small furry one... Rat All statements belong to someone, who I'm not quite sure..... ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 22:19:48 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!caen!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns .ca!morgan.ucs.mun.ca!garfield!david10@arizona.edu (David Churchill) Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug6.111624.769@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com (Chuck Schul) writes: >In-Reply-To: message from grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk > >has anyone else noticed that on the net the atari fellows like mr.Prat and >company answer technical questions but on why they sit on products and any >policy they stay quiet.just maybe they don't dare really find out how we >all feel.if they were in touch with the atari community maybe they would >catch on !!what a concept!!!!! Maybe it's because they are technical personnel (i.e programmers) and not in marketing? If the marketing personnel were on Usenet, would you ask them technical questions about hardware and/or software? Chances are, they wouldn't know the answers anymore than Mr. Pratt et al know about Atari's marketing strategies (if they have one :-)). Now, if Bob Brodie could get Usenet access . . . Dave C >---- >ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey >Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com >UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie >ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil -- Dave Churchill DoD #266 CS Undergrad david10@garfield.cs.mun.ca Memorial University of Newfoundland ar473@freenet.cleveland.edu St. John's, Nfld. Canada "I'm always sober enough to know when I'm drunk." - Andy Capp ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 11:16:18 GMT From: ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: Plea for help <-- dead 1040! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In-Reply-To: message from thaanuj@prism.cs.orst.edu sounds like the atari 800 cart needed to be opened and cleaned the contacts to me!! ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 6 Aug 91 11:16:14 GMT From: ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: Spectre GCR To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In-Reply-To: message from ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu at the same time can you run the apple 2 emulator on the mac on specture(2 in a amac?) ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************