Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 5 Aug 91 Volume 91 : Issue 421 Today's Topics: **FREE** back issues of ST-Log AMIGA BURNED UP MY PRINTER! Atari CD-ROM? DVI Driver for LaserJet III Epstart for sale FAX for the ST games gcr Help with UIC transfers to ST! Idea for a program (maybe DC?) Laser C source level debugger (2 msgs) Macintosh Emulators for the TT notebook PCT 1424 (was: Re: TT with Multisyncs) piracy (2 msgs) SCSI Tape Streamers Wanted: Atari ST system Zoo 2.1 ZOO 2.1, BUG, or is it me..... (3 msgs) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Aug 91 19:25:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagb ard!sunic!ericom!exurchn1.ericsson.se!news@arizona.edu (James Hague) Subject: **FREE** back issues of ST-Log To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have just run across the following back issues of ST-Log in my plethora of Atari stuff: Issue 10, January 1987 Issue 11, February 1987 Issue 12, March 1987 Issue 14, May 1987 Issue 15, June 1987 These are all in good condtion and still have covers, etc--which is not surprising since I never owned an ST (but I was planning on it back then). I just can't bring myself to throw them out so I'm giving each issue away for a 9x12 SASE (use an old issue or similar sized magazine to figure the postage). Just let me know which issue(s) you are interested in and I'll reserve it for you. If you want the whole lot I can also work out a special deal. -- James Hague exuhag@exurchn1.ericsson.se Yes, my address ends with ".se," but I'm in Texas, not Sweden. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 91 19:38:35 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!memstvx1!utkcs2!hydra3b.cs.utk.edu!gathings@arizona.edu (Golando Gathings) Subject: To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have the following system for sale : Atari ST with, external drive, mono monitor, TOS and various software, asking $300 (price includes shipping ). Thanks Golando ------------------------------ Date: 05 AUG 91 11:12:12 CDT From: Z4516356 Subject: AMIGA BURNED UP MY PRINTER! To: Please excuse if this is a repeat, but I have had no replies. I hooked up an Amiga computer to the same printer that I have faithfully used with my 520ST. The cable that I used was the same cable and one that I have also used with an IBM. I thought that the Amiga ports were the same as the 520ST's ports when hooking up things like modems and printers. Upon hooking up the printer and powering everything up, I lost both the printer and the Amiga. The Amiga won't boot anymore and the NX 10 printer won't work with my 520ST anymore. I have tried another cable. Now I have fried my printer by using this Amiga junk with I thought could use regular printers. At least my 520ST still works. Has anyone had any problems like what I experienced? I really thought the Amiga had standard ports. All I wanted to do was to compare WordPerfect Amiga with WordPerfect Atari ST. JOE MARK ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 17:47:52 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!murtoa.cs.mu.oz.au!csv.viccol.edu.au!gjocc@uunet.uu.net Subject: Atari CD-ROM? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is anything happening these days with the Atari CD ROM? Last I heard was that certain dealers (in Australia anyway) could sell you one, but there isn't much software available. What can you do with an Atari CD ROM? I know it supports a number of international CD ROM formats, does anyone have the details? My specfic interest is getting the CD ROM version of the Oxford Dictionary for my wife one of these days. (Sure don't have room for a paper copy) I noticed with interest the release of the CDTV from Commodore. I have seen magazine articles on computer games in development for the CDTV, that sound very impressive. Commodore seem to be pushing this multi-media hype stuff pretty hard, if it catches on I could be persuaded to by a CDTV for the mega games that will be available. (I am not a one-eyed Atari supporter :-)) It seems to me that a STE with CD-ROM and the right software could perform similar functions. Atari had a chance to be a front runner in this field but they may have missed the boat. (Sounds like a familiar story/whinge?) Sorry for mentioning the dreaded C= :-). The ST still has quite a few advantages for me (SM124 monitor, MIDI ports and software). I will be hanging on to it anyway. Greg O'Sullivan (gjocc@viccol.edu.au) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 09:05:00 WET DST From: "Brian" Subject: DVI Driver for LaserJet III To: "info-atari16" I wonder if anyone can point me to a source of a DVI driver for the ST/TT driving a HP LaserJet III printer? I have tried a Deskjet Driver but this does not work. Alternatively does anyone know where either the DVI file specification or the source code of a generic (or LaserJet!) DVI driver might be found? I can go via GHOSTSCRIPT but outputting TeX material is contorted enough already without adding further stages! Brian Gladman gladman@ccint1.rsre.mod.uk ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 91 20:08:08 GMT From: galileo.cc.rochester.edu!news@cs.rochester.edu (----* Ho Ling Cherd *----) Subject: Epstart for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have an Epstart, an Epson printer driver for Macintoch for sale. This is a Magic Sac version which can be used on Magic Sac and Spectre GCR and perhaps Spectre 128 (I have never try it on S 128). Please make an offer if you are interested. Thanks. .. Ling Cherd lchd_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu lchd_ltd@db1.cc.rochester.edu (bitnet) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 05:12:23 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au!juno!bmw@uunet.uu.net (Robert Woodcock) Subject: FAX for the ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I need a program that will send FAX info through a Maestro modem. It comes with a version for MAC and PC but not for the ST. Does anyone have one or know how I might write one. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Rob Email: bmw@swanee.ee.uwa.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 02:56:30 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu. edu!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: games To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu whats new in europe? ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 02:56:31 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu. edu!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: gcr To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu when will it ever run system 7,it says alot for compatibility makes me glad i was not STUCK with one! ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 15:20:46 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u43610@ar izona.edu Subject: Help with UIC transfers to ST! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Are there any users who use UCVM (University of Illinois @ Chicago) as the netn ode to vcarious bases? I can't seem to figure out how to transfer from the UIC VM to my home unit.. Anyone can help? U43610@uicvm.uic.edu - Ken. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Aug 91 13:18:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu !yale.edu!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!grasp1!frmug!elrond@arizona.edu (Bertrand Petit) Subject: Idea for a program (maybe DC?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <19468@helios.TAMU.EDU>, r_gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu (The Pendragon) writes: > I just thought of a neat idea for a program. Maybe it already exists and > if so, if someone would point me in the right direction, I would appreciate > it. What I need is a Quota program for my HD. It would tell me how much > of the disk is used, and maybe break it down with a bar graph for each > partition. I hate having to do a 'show info' for each partition individually > then whip out the old calculator. I have a Syquest drive and ICD Host, > if it makes a difference. > You just have to use the 'df' command of any shell. -- | Bertrand Petit | Signature is under construction | | alias | | | >Elrond le demi-Elfe< | Be sure to wear your helmet | ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 91 11:20:45 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bruce!goanna!sheoak!781105@uunet.uu.net (t.knipe) Subject: Laser C source level debugger To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1702.289807ad@sleepy.bmd.trw.com> jharres@sleepy.bmd.trw.com writes: >I am using Laser C for software development and am considering buying their >source level debugger. So, a few questions: > 1. Is it worth $49? Yup. > 2. Does it have seperate source and program output windows? Nope. It uses separate "screens" for program output and debugging output. You can flip between them at will. > 3. Is it a true source level debugger (or just a claim)? Yup. My version gets a bit confused in some if/if/else situations where I've left out some braces. eg. if( var == var1 ) { if( var2 ) { statements statements } else statement } The compiler does not get similarly confused. This can be avoided by including braces all the time. I have found Laser DB to be invaluable. It has some problems with programs which crash after allocating memory (and not deallocating it) I think, but it might have been something else. It is fast and easy to use. They have re-written the OS-like routines that the debugger uses, such as graphics, windows and mouse handling (so as not to interfere with your program), and is therefore robust. ----- Tim Knipe 781105@sheoak.bcae.oz 781105@redgum.bcae.oz <-- try this if 'sheoak' bounces ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 09:15:02 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!faui09!mlkaaden@uune t.uu.net (Michael Kaaden) Subject: Laser C source level debugger To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca (John Henders) writes: > Laser C's debugger works in color, which is one of the reason's I >won't be switching to Turbo C in the near future. You need Laser C 2.1 or >higher to use the debugger, and 2.2 or higher to work with Tos 1.4. The >2.2 shell is still crash-prone though, and I recommend using a command >shell instead. >-- > John Henders jhenders@jonh.wimsey.bc.ca > Vancouver,B.C or ubc.cs!van-bc!jonh!jhenders Well, PureC's debugger is able to be switched to VDI-mode. This means: If you want it to, it uses VDI-calls, not it's own GEM-a-like calls. I like Turbo C, and this was the one and only point I did not appreciate. -- Michael Kaaden mlkaaden@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Computer Science Student "For every problem there is one solution Rettystr. 20 which is simple, neat, and wrong." W-8500 Nuernberg 30, Germany H. L. Mencken -- ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 91 18:08:33 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!kksys!quest!sch aper@arizona.edu (Steve Schaper - SSB) Subject: Macintosh Emulators for the TT To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu o Have aquired an IBM 0665 5.25" full-height 40 meg, MFFM, rll capable machanism. Attempted format with ICD's software, worked fine until verigy - then got seek errors, tried 1,2,3,4,5 for seek rates. Adaptec 4000 controller. Does anyone happen to know the proper parameters for this mechanism? It was manufactured at teh IBM plant in Rochester Mn in 1988, highest factory detected error is head 6 cyl 683. If anyone wants to tell me how to edit the subject header in trn and vi go fir right ahead and tell me! Steve ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 02:56:24 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu. edu!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: notebook To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu when is the note book due for a us release?where is atari usa when you need them(don't want to lug a stacy around ouch!) ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 07:14:26 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!prle!prles2!cstw166!meulenbr@uunet.uu.net (Frans Meulenbroeks) Subject: PCT 1424 (was: Re: TT with Multisyncs) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu CSULLOGG@CRL.AECL.CA writes: >honest truth is, the PTC1424 is FAR better than the NEC 3D. So, when >thinking of a colour monitor for the TT, why not consider Atari's own PTC1424? Hmm. For some reason I thought the number was PTC 1426, but oh well. Anyway I'm not too happy with the atari mono monitor. Especially when booting up the big white screen area is a little bit blurred. Furhtermore after a while the line which is the border between the screen background and the visible image (e.g. the desktop), is partly black and partly the color of the image. The place where the transition occurs moves during time. Atari told me this is normal. However I'm not too happy about it. It doesn't look right. Also I noted that the PTC is vulnerable to interference. It seems that early versions had a metal casing inside the monitor, but the new ones dont. I rate the quality of the PTC monitor when used for monochrome less than the old SM 125 monitor for my ST. Badly enough that one cannot be used on the TT -- Frans Meulenbroeks (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl) Philips Research Laboratories ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 02:56:25 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio -state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!ucsd!nosc!crash!pnet01!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuck ie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: piracy To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu if you can't get it in the usa or vice versa it's ok buy me.if not let them sell it worldwide just a thought!!!what do you all think!!! ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 04:37:06 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!eng.ufl.edu!ufl orida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: piracy To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug5.025625.14488@crash.cts.com>, chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com (Chuck Schul) writes: >if you can't get it in the usa or vice versa it's ok buy me.if not let them >sell it worldwide just a thought!!!what do you all think!!! I think you are wrong. There are several places that specialize in euro imports (often for very low prices, the euro game market is very fast paced and stuff goes into the bargin bin after a few months). One such place is Sideline Software here in FL. Stealing is stealing, period. If you do it, call yourself a thief, nothing else. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 91 18:36:12 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!mucs!logitek!alanh@uunet.uu.net (Alan Hourihane) Subject: SCSI Tape Streamers To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Has anyone produced any SCSI Tape Streamer programs that will backup hard disk. I have a TANDBERG TDC 3600 mechanism which provides 250MB of tape backup. Can anybody help ??? Alan Hourihane email : alanh@logitek.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 17:23:08 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacif ic.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!selick@arizona.edu (Steven Selick) Subject: Wanted: Atari ST system To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Wanted: Atari ST system with one meg of memory, one double sided disk drive, monichrome monitor (Color will be ok if it's cheap enough), 20 meg hard drive, printer. Friend would like to pay around $450. System may be a 520 upgraded to a 1 meg. e-mail or call 617-738-6980 (Steve S) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Aug 91 08:50:00 WET DST From: "Brian" Subject: Zoo 2.1 To: "info-atari16" I downloaded Zoo v2.1 from the terminator achive but found it to have some bugs - has anyone else had problems? Firstly it did not expand wildcards and, secondly, it produced a corrupted archive which I could not subsequently extract from. Is this my problem or has anyone else had difficulties with this version? Brian Gladman gladman@ccint1.rsre.mod.uk ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 91 18:17:25 GMT From: cadence!cadence.com!bammi@uunet.uu.net (Jwahar R. Bammi) Subject: ZOO 2.1, BUG, or is it me..... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Aug3.210242.23790@cs.yale.edu> fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu (Michael Fischer) writes: > I too am having a minor problem with Zoo 2.1. When I make an archive, > the creation time of the .zoo file is exactly 1 hour later than the you need to set the timezone environment variable: for example for easterm USA: setenv TZ EST5EDT cheers, -- -- bang: uunet!cadence!bammi jwahar r. bammi domain: bammi@cadence.com GEnie: J.Bammi CIS: 71515,155 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 91 21:49:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!rosenkra@arizona.edu (William Rosenkranz) Subject: ZOO 2.1, BUG, or is it me..... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes: > >you need to set the timezone environment variable: >for example for easterm USA: > > setenv TZ EST5EDT or perhaps "setenv TZ :EST5EDT" (apratt's RCS seems to need this and i think this is the prefered POSIX way cf 8.1.1 Extensions to Time Functions). sorry, i can't check my gulam.g to be sure right now... -bill rosenkra@convex.com -- Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com ------------------------------ Date: 4 Aug 91 19:42:14 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake! steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington) Subject: ZOO 2.1, BUG, or is it me..... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [In article , bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes ... ] > In article <1991Aug3.210242.23790@cs.yale.edu> fischer-michael@cs.yale.edu (Michael Fischer) writes: > >> I too am having a minor problem with Zoo 2.1. When I make an archive, >> the creation time of the .zoo file is exactly 1 hour later than the > > you need to set the timezone environment variable: > for example for easterm USA: > > setenv TZ EST5EDT I had the same problem. My TZ is set to -0500 so that my mail and news software will generate dates that follow the most recent RFCs' recommendations against using timezone abbreviations in headers. Apparently ZOO 2.1 can't understand that format. A more serious problem, though, is that I can't get ZOO 2.1 to extract from an older ZOO archive using the x// or -restore commands. I get bus errors every time. That made it sort of hard to get thelake back on the air yesterday after a hard drive swap. This is distressing, since I've always been in the pro-ZOO, anti-LHARC camp. ---- Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota (USA) steve@thelake.mn.org ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************