Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 28 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 411 Today's Topics: Accidently formatting (2 msgs) A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish list)) apple ][ emulator Atari 520 ST forsale Atari Meese 1991 Atari ST languages for sale BLACKOUTS CFN Programming/Developing Forum DC Programs of the Weeks Gem resource files corrupted ! Virus suspected ! Help needed Interesting Archiver Facts [was Re: Use Unlzh 1.72 ...] Lattice C -- Single Pass? Multisynch and other monitors (Help!) need help with dead 1040 modem port NEW NEW MEGA STE problem? OSI Personal Pascal bug Plea for help <-- dead 1040! STart of Antic refunds? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Jul 91 04:41:43 GMT From: noao!ncar!csn!ccncsu!lamar!sytang@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang) Subject: Accidently formatting To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Don't know how Norton's utility does it, but in DOS5.0 there is actually two format. One will physical format the disk and destory the data, the other one ( called quick format) will reset the FAT table area and if the disk has enough space left, it will keep a copy of FAT to that place so the disk can be unformat , however it does not work with normal reformatted disk. Tang sytang@lamar.colostate.edu ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 15:17:41 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!catless!ndch@uunet.uu.net (Dave Halliday) Subject: Accidently formatting To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul26.125723.27759@cs.wayne.edu>, pbh@jake.tmc.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes: |>In article <1991Jul25.124220.1136@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes: |>>carlfred@idt.unit.no (Carl-Fredrik Soerensen) writes: |>> |>>>A friend of mine have an Atari 1040STE. |>>>He has accidently formatted a floppy with some days work (he had no |>>>backup). |>>>I wonder if there exists any opportunities to recover the data (as |>>>Norton Utilities etc.) |>> |>>Formatting a disk means deleting the data completely. You don't have |>>the slightest chance of recovering them unless your friend stopped the |>>process soon enough. |>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- |>>Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. |> |>Perhaps you could use something like DC Format to put an IBM boot |>sector on the disk, then take it to an IBM shop to "unformat" it. |>Norton Utilities has an unformat utility; however I'm not aware of |>how it works (I don't think the format process writes zeros to all |>the sectors, I think it just re-maps them--?) If you realy think an IBM shop can unformat disks then there should be no problem. The STE makes standard IBM disks so there is no need to use and extra programs such as DC Format. Go ahead and try whatever PC stuff you think can recover the disk. Good luck. Dave Halliday. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Address: Computing Dept. Newcastle University, NE1 7RU. UK. Halliday EMail : D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk Phone : +44 91 222 8214 Fax : +44 91 222 8232 ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 00:07:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!apple!motcsd!lance@arizona.edu (lance.norskog) Subject: A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish list)) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu You want to get UPS from the University of Kent. Check ARCHIE for the exact machine. UPS is 10 times better than DBX, SDB, GDB, and that ilk. It has an Ansi C interpreter built in; you can type in code, splice it in, and hit the GO button. Very very slick. Lance ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 91 02:43:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!selick@arizona.edu (Steven Selick) Subject: apple ][ emulator To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Has anybody in net-land gotten the apple ][ emulator on terminator.cc.umich.edu to work? Please e-mail me all files/documentation that I will need to get it running. -=> Steve Selick ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 20:39:42 GMT From: europa.asd.contel.com!emory!utkcs2!duncan.cs.utk.edu!gathings@uunet.uu.net (Golando Gathings) Subject: Atari 520 ST forsale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Keywords: I have the following system for sale : Atari 520 ST with, external drive mono monitor, TOS and various software, asking $300 , O.B.O (price includes shipping ). Thanks Golando ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 13:58:22 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua ce0@arizona.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) Subject: Atari Meese 1991 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just thought I'd drop a note to the net letting all of our international friends know that Double Click Software will be attending, displaying and selling our wares at this year's Atari Meese show in Duesseldorf. We will be showing something of particular interest to owners of AT Speed or PC Speed. Can't say more, you have to wait. :-) We will also be showing (but not selling) our new game authoring package. Wow, it is hot! Plus, our DC Utilities, DC Desktop, DC Shower and (tadum!) Data Diet - the _only_ realtime compression program for the Atari computer. Not to mention our DC Port serial expansion cartridge, too. We really look forward to meeting our net friends face to face (and sharing a few rounds with them too!). - mike vederman / double click software -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 20:03:30 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!samsung!crackers!m2c!risky.ecs.umass. edu!umvlsi.ecs.umass.edu!kimmel@arizona.edu (Mathew Kimmel) Subject: Atari ST languages for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I recently sold my Atari ST system and was left with a bunch of language software. So... FOR SALE: TDI Modula-2 $20 An older version, I think, but a good starter system for someone who wants to learn Modula-2. Personal Pascal v2.0 $30 Mark Williams C v3.0 $40 Includes CSD source-level debugger and resource editor. Abacus Assempro $20 A rather nice assembler/debugger package. Philon FAST/BASIC-M $35 A sophisticated BASIC compiler. IBM MBASIC-compatible. All prices are negotiable! E-mail me if you're interested! -Matt -- Matt Kimmel University of Massachusetts Amherst, Mass. Internet: kimmel@umvlsi.ecs.umass.edu Bitnet: KIMMEL@UMAECS kimmel@risky.ecs.umass.edu ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 05:47:21 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!csn!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY) Subject: BLACKOUTS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This may be a very stupid question. I just experienced 3 blackouts in 1 day while my ST was on. I was wondering does blackouts have the same effect or any effect on the hardware as do surges? Of course I do have a surge protector, but it probably didn't help any in this situation. I might just be paranoid about this, but I'm just cautious about my cpus. Thanks, Jeff ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 15:09:26 GMT From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!xx004@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Atari SIG) Subject: CFN Programming/Developing Forum To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The Cleveland Free-Net Atari SIG's Programming/Developing Forum is growing in usage and population. Atari computer users are working on new projects both in software and hardware. If you are a programmer or even a developer, why not help users bring new and grea great products to the Atari world? You can discuss almost any programming topic that you wish. The only thing we cannot allow is for developers to release classified developer information. If you are interested in programming or making great things for your computer, why not log on to the Cleveland Free-Net? You can 'telnet' any of the following: 129.22.8.82, 129.22.8.75, 129.22.8.76 freenet-in-a.cwru.edu, freenet-in-b.cwru.edu, freenet-in-c.cwru.edu cwns16.INS.CWRU.Edu, cwns9.INS.CWRU.Edu, cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu Len Stys (aa399) ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 13:52:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua ce0@arizona.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) Subject: DC Programs of the Weeks To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've just got done sending all of our Programs of the Week to the ftp site atari.archive.umich.edu All of our Programs of the Week are there, plus some oldies but goodies. Over 40 programs if I remember correctly. Get 'em while they're hot! :-) - mike vederman / double click software -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jul 91 13:58:44 +0200 From: Z07801%BBRBFU01.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Gem resource files corrupted ! Virus suspected ! Help needed To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello netter, Since about two weeks, I have a new strange behaviour in my ST (it appeared about at the time the ABK-BBS'S Anti-Virus PROTECT6 was distributed through bitnet. I use it, but I don't know if both events are linked). Some parts of the dialogs or menus resources becomes empty. This is not limited to the .RSC files since my TEMPUS has also been corrupted. Today this phenomena has appeared in a friend's ST, so I suspect a virus. The VKiller V3.84, doesn't detect any virus. Sagrotan (V4.17) found problems with the TOS14FIX : TOS14FIX Installiert TRAP #14(XBIOS) liegt unterhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeicher ($632)! XBIOS-Vektor in TOS14FIX liegt oberhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeichers ($5800FC)! LINE-F liegt unterhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeichers ($71C)! Der Resetvektor ist gultig und zeigt auf die Adresse: $614 Der Resetvektor liegt unterhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeichers ($614)! TRAP #1 (GEMDOS-Vektor) liegt unterhalb des erlaubten Anwenderspeichers ($79E)! Es befindet sich mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit ein Virus im Speicher! Bitter den Rechner abschalten, oder Funktion 'Kaltstart' aufuhren. Dann OHNE Diskette booten! The version of TOS14FIX I use is 1.3. The GData AntiVirus Kit (V2.1) report irregularity in the Vectors : $0026 Line FVector $0423 Reset Valid $042A Reset Vector Unknow virus. My base configuration is : harware : 1040 STf, 4Mb (Gigatron), AtOnce Plus(Vortex). TOS 1.4, AUTO: TOS14FIX, Poolfix4, folder500, Cache64, protect6, DCFlight, Poolfix4 ACC : Chameleon Does anybody got the same problem. Have a solution ... Patrick, INSTALLE > V.U.B BITNET : Z07801@BBRBFU01.BITNET< > Free University Brussels FAX : 32 2 650 99 99 < > Plantengenetica Voice : 32 2 650 99 45 < > 69, rue des Chevaux < > B-1640 Rhode St Genese (BELGIUM, EC) <  ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 22:29:05 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka .de!fauern!opal!ripley@arizona.edu (Hans-Ch. Eckert) Subject: Interesting Archiver Facts [was Re: Use Unlzh 1.72 ...] To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello. Perhaps this is interesting news for you: There is a new version of lharc (lharc 2.0) which has a new compression method. It packs better than zip. I could send Thomas Quester's version to comp.binaries, but I better ask him first... Anyway, it has already been distributed through the Maus-net here in Germany... Greetings, RIPLEY -- Greetings from RIPLEY | D-1000 Berlin 30 | ripley@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de Hans-Christian Eckert | Regensburger Str. 2 | (ripley@tubopal.UUCP) Attention: My phone-# is changing 01-Jan-1991 ! s/246292/2186292/ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 23:48:23 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!mips!atha!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura) Subject: Lattice C -- Single Pass? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <040103.22763@timbuk.cray.com> marc@sequoia.cray.com (Marc Bouron) writes: > >In article <1991Jul24.180103.25979@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura) writes: >> >> I got my first "do nothing" program to compile and link and waddling >> through a slow program development I started to run into problems. Then >> something occurred to me. I compiled the sample program (WTEST.C) that >> comes with Lattice C and it compiled, linked and ran perfectly. Then >> I moved the 'main()' from the bottom of the source code to my normal >> location just under the globals (the "top" of the program) and it failed >> to compile. > >Moving main() to the `top' of your program means that, unless you give >declarations for the functions used by main(), they will be assumed to return >ints. Now, when the functions are actually encountered, and they return >something OTHER than ints, the compiler will barf. And quite rightly so (no Ah, but it isn't "quite rightly so. You see, I didn't bother - a Ah, but is isn't "quite rightly so." You see, I didn't bother stating all the permutations that I tried (it would take a few pages). Some of the permutation I tried was declaring all functions as "int" and then making sure that they in fact did return an "int" (value of 0 if I needed a dummy value). So even if the functions "assumed to return ints", I had that covered. There seems to be "something else" going wrong. That's why I called it more generically "a referencing error." That was the best way I could think of to describe an error caused by lack of support for forward referencing. >matter how many passes it makes). I also write my C programs with main() at the >`top', but I also religiously declare all the functions I'm going to use. It's >a good habit to get into ;-) It looks like it's a habit I'm going to have to get into. -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 91 05:03:11 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!netcomsv!seitz@arizona.edu (Matthew Seitz) Subject: Multisynch and other monitors (Help!) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul23.185606.18946@unx.sas.com> snoret@unx.sas.com (Rick Tatem) writes: >Anyway... Does anyone have any (reasonable) suggestions, >recommendations, tips, leads, etc. on a good multisynch >or other compatible monitor for a 1040STf? My multiscanning monitor is an Acer 7015 Multiscanning Color Monitor. It cost me about $450 dollars new at my Atari dealer. One problem: the IB Mult-Switch adapter I use to hook up the monitor reaures a 9-pin analog RGB monitor port, while the Acer has a 25-pin analog port. I had to buy a 9-25 pin adaptor cable to hook things up. The monochrome is not as sharp as a dedicated monochrome monitor, but still very acceptable. And the color works just great. -- Matthew Seitz seitz@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 07:33:33 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!rex!wpg!linda@locus.ucla.edu (Linda Guidry) Subject: need help with dead 1040 modem port To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I was using my 1040ST as a terminal emulator this afternoon when a power surge (?) simultaneously killed the ST modem port as well as the serial controller board on the host computer. The serial controller board showed visible signs of heat damage but the atari board looks flawless. Does this mean the atari damage is minor? Could someone recommend a good repair facility --- reliable, inexpensive, and fast? -- Linda Guidry, WP Group, New Orleans (504) 443-5000 linda@wpg.com uunet!wpg!linda ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 91 12:41:00 GMT From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: NEW NEW MEGA STE problem? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu On my MEGA STE I get the "Drive A: not ready / not responding" all the time, but a click on "RETRY" and everything goes well. Could be a drive problem (my first drive stopped stepping, and this one is an old one Atari had lying around .-) Lars-Erik / Registered Developer / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ 0sterud / w/ Atari Scandinavia / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / __________/ _______________________/ ______________________/ ____/ / ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 12:38:08 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard) Subject: OSI Personal Pascal bug To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1898.07.91@janhh.hanse.de> jan@janhh.hanse.de (Jan Willamowius) writes: > Charles Richmond wrote: > > I believe I have found a but in my Personal Pascal V2.0 > > compiler. > > Since Optimized Systems Software (OSI) is no > > longer in business, does anyone still support this compiler? > > Can anyone direct me to the people in Germany who actually > > wrote this compiler? > > As far as I know the complier was written by Joerg Lohse (currently > working at the University of Hamburg). But I don't think he is involved > in supporting the compiler any more. > > The German distributor is: > CCD, K. Meyfeld, Schoene Aussicht 41, D-6229 Walluf, Germany. > > I heard rumors that they might drop ST-Pascal. Details anyone ? > Jan Willamowius, Nienredder 6, 2000 Hamburg 54, Germany > E-Mail: jan@janhh.hanse.de Well from what I know, I think ICD took over Personal Pascal in the USA. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 18:47:00 GMT From: deccrl!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!isgate!krafla!adamd@decwrl.dec.com (Adam David) Subject: Plea for help <-- dead 1040! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu fsctc@csduts1.lerc.nasa.gov (Clarence T. Chang) writes: >The human body can easily generate up to 10000 volts of static electricity. It is not the body itself but dry hair and certain types of clothing which can generate static. Simply by avoiding woolen and synthetic fabrics it is possible to considerably reduce the danger of static. I have never earthed myself before handling delicate CMOS components but I take care to avoid certain movements which generate static: shuffling on carpetted floors, ruffling, rubbing or scratching of the hair, sleeves rubbing against the wrists. I haven't fried a chip with static yet! Also it is not good to have cats nearby. I once had a program crash because a cat walked to close to the computer (no, it wasn't an ST)! Pure cotton and linen generate virtually no static. I guess hemp and nettle are also similar fabrics electrically (if you can get them). Wear vegetable fibre! Also it is a good idea to rinse the hands before starting. -Adam David- adamd@rhi.hi.is ------------------------------ Date: 27 JUL 91 23:50:39 CDT From: Z4648252 Subject: STart of Antic refunds? To: I just realised that on 23 November 90, that I renewed my subscription to STart for a nice sum of U.S. $69.95. "Now isn't that special"! Now this is a lot of money for me but due to the service rendered, a subscription is usually worth it. Since nothing has been sent to me as far as subscription refunds or referrals, I'm wondering if there is any legal recourse? Secondly, I wrote a technical article on hard drives and another on the HP DeskJet ink cartridges. I never was paid for these articles. Thirdly, Atari Explorer, which I renewed my subscription to is late, late, late. Frankly, I'm getting a bit upset. Is there any legal way of getting money back or subscriptions extended to Current Notes, or ST Informer? I figure that I have lost about $100.00 on Atari magazines due to no product and more money lost for unpaid articles. Larry Rymal |>Atari ST Users of East Texas<| Stephen F. Austin State University, Nacogdoches, Texas ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************