Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 26 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 410 Today's Topics: Accidently formatting (3 msgs) Could someone answer this? crabs -- Screen-eating program for MiNT DC Weekly Post 7/26 Function Proto types (was Re: Lattice C -- Single Pass?) Help! (2 msgs) Mint neo 1040 for sale (upgraded 520STfm) OSI Personal Pascal bug Phasar 4.0 Start magazine The Best Magazine, Bar None? Turbo-C use unlzh 1.72 for unlzhing! works with all! WANTED: Stereo-Tek Glasses Where to get PC-DITTO II PALs ?????? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jul 91 12:57:23 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wupost!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!wsu-cs!jake!pbh@ariz ona.edu (Patrick Haggood) Subject: Accidently formatting To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul25.124220.1136@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes: >carlfred@idt.unit.no (Carl-Fredrik Soerensen) writes: > >>A friend of mine have an Atari 1040STE. >>He has accidently formatted a floppy with some days work (he had no >>backup). >>I wonder if there exists any opportunities to recover the data (as >>Norton Utilities etc.) > >Formatting a disk means deleting the data completely. You don't have >the slightest chance of recovering them unless your friend stopped the >process soon enough. >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. Perhaps you could use something like DC Format to put an IBM boot sector on the disk, then take it to an IBM shop to "unformat" it. Norton Utilities has an unformat utility; however I'm not aware of how it works (I don't think the format process writes zeros to all the sectors, I think it just re-maps them--?) -- Genie - P.HAGGOOD2 Internet -pbh@jake.cc.wayne.edu PRODIGY - Not anymore, Jackson. Bitnet - phaggoo@waynest1 Phone - (313) 577-0669 Voice - "HEY, YOU WITH THE BAGGY PANTS!" ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 19:39:12 GMT From: dkoski@arizona.edu (David Koski) Subject: Accidently formatting To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul26.125723.27759@cs.wayne.edu> pbh@jake.tmc.edu (Patrick Haggood) writes: >Perhaps you could use something like DC Format to put an IBM boot >sector on the disk, then take it to an IBM shop to "unformat" it. >Norton Utilities has an unformat utility; however I'm not aware of >how it works (I don't think the format process writes zeros to all >the sectors, I think it just re-maps them--?) No, the format uses the WRITE_TRACK command on the FDC... The whole track is written over with some gaps between the sectors, and some header info. The sectors themselves are written with a 'virgin' value, usually $E5. The norton utilities won't do it, I think the way that they work is to use a non-destructive format (that is, read the sectors, write the track, write the sectors). It is IMPOSSIBLE to recover a formatted disk. David Koski ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 22:41:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kurto @arizona.edu Subject: Accidently formatting To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1701@caslon.cs.arizona.edu>, dkoski@cs.arizona.edu (David Koski) writes: > No, the format uses the WRITE_TRACK command on the FDC... The whole track > is written over with some gaps between the sectors, and some header info. The > sectors themselves are written with a 'virgin' value, usually $E5. The norton > utilities won't do it, I think the way that they work is to use a > non-destructive format (that is, read the sectors, write the track, write the > sectors). It is IMPOSSIBLE to recover a formatted disk. ~~~~~~~~~~ > > David Koski No it's not. It's just very difficult and you need some expensive equipment. The reason it's still possible is because very seldom do the read/write heads line up in the EXACT same place for a given track so there is usually some of the old information available. It is like this: * - old info = - new info (ie. from the format or whatever) blah blah blah blah blah ... track x blah blah blah blah blah ... (where blah = bits on disk) blah blah blah blah blah ... ************************ ... track x+1 ======================== ... ======================== ... blah blah blah blah blah ... track x+2 blah blah blah blah blah ... blah blah blah blah blah ... So if you have the correct equipment and know enough about how a given disk system stores information, you can read the disk bit for bit using a track density about five times higher then the original and then pick out the stuff you want. If you know what was written over (E5 E5 E5 for most ataris) then it is even easier to find your original data. Even when you actually write directly over the top of data it is possible to read ghost images from the disk, again with the correct equipment. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 19:33:07 GMT From: kodak!cygnus!nelson@cs.rochester.edu (Bruce D. Nelson) Subject: Could someone answer this? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu START has gone to the big bit bucket :-( There have been rumors of START being taken over by another magazine but nothing has happened yet. -- Bruce Nelson | Phone: (716) 726-7890 Rochester Distributed Computer Services | Internet: nelson@kodak.com Eastman Kodak Company | Rochester, NY 14653-5221 | ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 19:44:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorke lwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!opal!ripley@arizona.edu (Hans-Ch. Eckert) Subject: crabs -- Screen-eating program for MiNT To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, I just took the lzh that I got from uudecode and tried it... It worked flawlessy. Sigh, RIPLEY -- Greetings from RIPLEY | D-1000 Berlin 30 | ripley@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de Hans-Christian Eckert | Regensburger Str. 2 | (ripley@tubopal.UUCP) Attention: My phone-# is changing 01-Jan-1991 ! s/246292/2186292/ ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 91 00:01:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua ce0@arizona.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) Subject: DC Weekly Post 7/26 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu DC No-Stic will prevent hard disk stiction from happening. Stiction was such a problem with Seagate drives that they put in circuitry to move the hard disk heads after a length of disk inactivity. DC No-Stic emulates this logic. 100% assembly. ST, STe and TT compatible. Work with all hard disks. - mike vederman / double click software -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 21:19:24 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net (Jim Omura) Subject: Function Proto types (was Re: Lattice C -- Single Pass?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul25.095947.24697@newcastle.ac.uk> D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Halliday) writes: >In article <1991Jul24.180103.25979@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim >Omura) writes: >|> >|> My best guess is that Lattice is a single pass compiler after all. >|>I asked around before and was told it was multi-pass. But it's not >|>something that some programmers would notice. At least not unless >|>they try porting programs written by people who organize top down. >|> > >No, It's a multi pass compiler but ANSI compatable. You have run into >ANSI function prototyping. In ANSI C the compiler checks to see if you >pass the correct values to functions in a simmilar manner to Pascal, thus [deleting a nice example of function prototype usage -- JO] Well, I know about function prototyping. The problem is that I had ANSI compatibility switched off. Now in that case the compilers I've used has supported forward and backward references without function declarations. In effect making them "old style K & R C." As far as I know, ANSI's spec doesn't tell you whether a compiler is going to be restricted regarding forward referencing when ANSI compatibility is "disabled". (An interesting point of logical reasoning there. :-) So properly, it's a subject for the manual to discuss in an appropriate place. I'd put it in the general description of the compiler. Alternatively, it might be mentioned in the area of compiler switches. If possible, it should be *everywhere* that one might reasonably look for it. So far, I think the Lattice C compiler will be a very satisfactory compiler (subject to that 1 major compiler bug that I seem to have hit in my most important project), but the 1st edition manual is annoyingly deficient in many ways. I hope I'll be able to arrange to buy an updated manual. -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 10:03:48 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.pr imate.wisc.edu!zazen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!uc!shamash!timbuk !marc@arizona.edu (Marc Bouron) Subject: Help! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , arktik@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ryan Daum) writes: > I have successfully connected to Atari archive at 141.211.164.8. It asks > for a login and password. I used "anonymous" for the login, what is the > password? Anything you like, really... Typically, it will ask you for your ID. So I usually enter `marc@sequoia.cray.com', just as a courtesy (just in case anyone's listening at the other end ;-) ). [M][a][r][c] ################################################################################ # # marc@sequoia.cray.com # . . # # Marc CR Bouron # M.Bouron@cray.co.uk (ARPA) # _|\ /|_ # # Cray Research (UK) Ltd. # M.Bouron@crayuk.uucp (DOMAIN) # (_|_V_|_) # # +44 344 485971 x2208 # M.Bouron@uk.co.cray (JANET) # | | # # # ...!ukc!crayuk!M.Bouron (UUCP) # # ################################################################################ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 13:00:30 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!catless!ndch@uunet.uu.net (Dave Halliday) Subject: Help! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , arktik@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Ryan Daum) writes: |>I have successfully connected to Atari archive at 141.211.164.8. It asks |>for a login and password. I used "anonymous" for the login, what is the |>password? |> |> You should use your mail address as the password. This also applies for almost all ftp which have anonymous logins. Dave Halliday ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Address: Computing Dept. Newcastle University, NE1 7RU. UK. Halliday EMail : D.C.Halliday@newcastle.ac.uk Phone : +44 91 222 8214 Fax : +44 91 222 8232 ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 23:41:21 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!walt.disney.com!walt!sma@arizona.edu (Steve Acheson) Subject: Mint To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have started using mint. I have bash, mgr, ksh. I had to dig out an old copy of mg (micro-gnu emacs) to do editing, as my vi and emacs crashed mint. So I have a basic system and want more. Several of the sample scripts/setups with mint referenced other utilities but I don't know where to find them. I have rummaged through archive, but it is difficult to try to find mint compatible progs/utils etc. I would appreciate any pointers to archives or utils/progs that are mint compatible. I would also enjoy working on the mint system (in all of my spare time :-) if needed. Thanks Steve Acheson sma@walt.disney.com ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 17:51:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!hamblin.math.byu .edu!news@arizona.edu (Chad) Subject: neo 1040 for sale (upgraded 520STfm) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu -- FOR SALE: Atari 520STfm upgraded to 1meg RAM and DSDD floppy. Has external "mungo big" industrial power supply that can power several HD too. (power supply is > $100 value) SM124 mono Monitor. NEC P2200 24 pin printer and cable Home built HD adapter to attach a SCSI disk. Atari Word Perfect Microsoft Flight Simulator Balance of Power game HD backup utility Lots of PD disks Personal Pascal v2 This machine has not been used for a year because I started to use a Mac for my MIDI due to a piece of software that I needed on Mac. All for $600 plus shipping. for more information contact Chad @ (801) 378 6472 or email chad@yvax.byu.edu ************************************************************* Chad Leigh Brigham Young University / on leave from DEC chad@yvax.byu.edu / chad@norge.enet.dec.com ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 09:24:36 GMT From: mcsun!unido!mcshh!janhh!jan@uunet.uu.net (Jan Willamowius) Subject: OSI Personal Pascal bug To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Charles Richmond wrote: > I believe I have found a but in my Personal Pascal V2.0 > compiler. Maybe there are more peple interested (like me). Please ost a short description. > Since Optimized Systems Software (OSI) is no > longer in business, does anyone still support this compiler? > Can anyone direct me to the people in Germany who actually > wrote this compiler? As far as I know the complier was written by Joerg Lohse (currently working at the University of Hamburg). But I don't think he is involved in supporting the compiler any more. The German distributor is: CCD, K. Meyfeld, Schoene Aussicht 41, D-6229 Walluf, Germany. I heard rumors that they might drop ST-Pascal. Details anyone ? - Jan -- Jan Willamowius, Nienredder 6, 2000 Hamburg 54, Germany E-Mail: jan@janhh.hanse.de ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:21 EDT From: JOHNBARNES@ENH.NIST.GOV Subject: Phasar 4.0 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Sprry about the scrambled Subject lines. The subject for this message belongs with my last posting, and the one for that posting belongs with this one. As a staff member of Current Notes magazine I am gratified, as was our 8 bit editor, at the support that Lauren Howard showed in his unsolicited testimonial. All I can say is "Aw, shucks, guys. Thanks." I would, however, like to dispell the notion that CN is a user group publication. It did start out that way, but it has since evolved into a commercial enterprise that more or less pays its own way because people like Ben Poehland, myself, and others put a lot of work and love into it. There is no way any Atari magazine could afford the staff that Current Notes has. This is our way of paying back our friends in the Atari community. I have captured the relevant messages and will forward them to our publisher and ST editor. Please keep those cards and letters coming. If you have anything that is urgent please send e-mail to me directly, as I often get out of touch with Info-Atari16 for extended periods. John Barnes Current Notes' Junkyard Pussycat Johnbarnes@enh.nist.gov ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 16:45:58 GMT From: ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!bboychuk@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (The Majestic Llama) Subject: Start magazine To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <26JUL91075827@etsuv2.etsu.edu> r_gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu writes: > > Maybe I missed something, since I don't read this group often, but >Could someone please tell me what happened to START magazine? Last I heard >they were going bi-monthly, but I haven't gotten anything from them since. > And you won't. Start is dead, along with Antic (the magazine, not the company -- the company is now putting out a PC rag, "PC Home Journal.") And speaking of Start, is anybody else having trouble collecting money owed for articles printed? Antic Publishing has owed me over $1,800 for nigh six months now and is refusing to acknowledge that I exist, despite the fact that I've been to Small Claims and won a settlement against them. The money guy there, Chris Ballard, won't even call me back -- even though I've threatened to send in the sheriff to start impounding stuff. And since the company still exists, shouldn't we subscribers be getting reimbursement for undelivered issues? Or issues of another magazine? Ah! Nothing like a healthy instance of getting screwed to make you look at the world with a bright, sunny outlook. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bboychuk@ucsd.edu "My GOD, did you see the power and majesty radiated by that llama?" "Well, of course I did, you fool..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 15:11 EDT From: JOHNBARNES@ENH.NIST.GOV Subject: The Best Magazine, Bar None? To: INfo-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu May Kay Petersen asks if anyone has any experience with Phasar 4.0. I have used this product extensively for the last 3 or 4 years. I could not live without it. I published a lengthy tutorial on it in Current Notes in the March 1990 issue. Perhaps some one close to you can lend you a copy. The package makes keeping home finances very simple. It lacks the beauty of MacIntax when tax time comes, but it does let you create your own forms to do the arithmetic. The program has many "help" features built in. I find it to be very robust. Some GEM snobs turn up their noses at the screens, but the program does work quite well. I especially appreciate the way it handles transfers between accounts. It does have limits on the number of accounts and the number of transactions, but I doubt that these would be significant on a 1 Meg ST handling a set of personal or family accounts. John Barnes Current Notes' Junkyard PUssycat ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 13:03:59 GMT From: mcsun!unido!sbsvax!sbuvax!univwa@uunet.uu.net (Bernhard Stumpf) Subject: Turbo-C To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <11582@m.maus.de>, Martin_Gaeckler@m.maus.de (Martin Gaeckler) writes: > > Dave Halliday D.C.Halliday%newcastle.ac.uk @ SUB am Mo, 15.07.91 11:02 writes > > >|>Did Borland give a reason for stopping to support the Atari ST product? > > No, Borlang USA didn't give any reason for that. Turbo C for the Atari ST was > only supported by Borland Germany an independed company which was owned by > Fritz Heimsoeth. After Borland USA bought Borland Germany (in July 1990) they > didn't take interesting in supporting Turbo C. And, unfortunately, it take a > long time to give back Turbo C to the the developpers. > > Greeting from bavaria > > Martin Gaeckler Just for your information: In Germany, the distributor of Turbo C is now Application Systems, Heidelberg (ASH), better: of the successor of TC called PureC. PureC is a complete development system (graphics shell-editor-Ansi C compiler- assembler-debugger-linker). It will cost about 400.- DM. The Developpers of Pure-Software have also done the developpement of TC 2.0. Users of Laser-C and Megamax C will automatically be offered an update to Pure-C. (informations taken from: TOS 8/91, p.11) greetings bst ***************************************************************************** * * * Dipl.Ing. Bernhard Stumpf | | | * * / ___ / University of the Saarland | | | * * /----. /__. -/- D-6600 Saarbruecken | | | * * /____/ ___/ /_. / | \ * * phone : ++49-681-302-41.43 / | \ * * e-mail: bestu@sbuvax.rz.uni-sb.de / | \ * * * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 16:58:26 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!midway!mac hine!chinet!saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: use unlzh 1.72 for unlzhing! works with all! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu People a lot more familiar with computers than I am have tried to get lharc running on chinet (running Interactive Sys V r 5, I believe), and failed. If someone knows the proper incantations to compile a publicly-available version of lharc on a this system, I'd appreciate a note explaining how (I won't thank you right away because I'll be away for a while). Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 17:10:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hpmcaa!patrick@arizona.edu (Patrick Hawke) Subject: WANTED: Stereo-Tek Glasses To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I too have wondered about the Sega Glasses. I'd be willing and would love to hack a pair to make'em work. Does anybody have the Lead/in/out info a pair of the Stereo-Tek glasses? Without this info I'd be lost in the fog. Thanks all, Patrick ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 10:03:29 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc. edu!zazen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!uc!shamash!timbuk!marc@arizo na.edu (Marc Bouron) Subject: Where to get PC-DITTO II PALs ?????? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul25.214137.26773@watmath.waterloo.edu>, ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L. J. Dickey) writes: > In article <1991Jul24.184336.3460@electro.com> george@electro.UUCP (George Reimer) writes: > > I would like to buy my friend's PC-DITTO II from him > > but... He has no PALS for it!! > > What is a PAL? Why, LJ, a pal is a buddy, a friend, a colleague, a mate... :-) :-) > -- > Prof Leroy J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1 > Internet: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca > UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ...!uunet!watmath!ljdickey > Obsolescent?: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu BITNET/EARN: ljdickey@watdcs Couldn't resist that one!! ;-) [M][a][r][c] ################################################################################ # # marc@sequoia.cray.com # . . # # Marc CR Bouron # M.Bouron@cray.co.uk (ARPA) # _|\ /|_ # # Cray Research (UK) Ltd. # M.Bouron@crayuk.uucp (DOMAIN) # (_|_V_|_) # # +44 344 485971 x2208 # M.Bouron@uk.co.cray (JANET) # | | # # # ...!ukc!crayuk!M.Bouron (UUCP) # # ################################################################################ ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************