Info-Atari16 Digest Fri, 26 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 409 Today's Topics: 4 Sale Atari 1040ST Atari 520 ST Tradins, upgrades.. Could someone answer this? Dave Baggett's .au converter Lynx info wanted PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC Plea for help <-- dead 1040! (2 msgs) The Vault 3.0 announcement -- THE BEST in Atari Hard Disk Backup TT memory (was allocation) Use Unlzh 1.72 for Unlzhing! Works with all! WANTED: Stereo-Tek Glasses (2 msgs) Where's George? Which archiver ? (Was: use unl ... XCONTROL & Mouse Accel Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Jul 91 12:59:19 GMT From: rit!cci632!th@cs.rochester.edu (Tim Hinton) Subject: 4 Sale Atari 1040ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ============================================================== Hardware: Atari 1040ST Computer (Midi Port) $225.00 Atari 1224 Color Monitor $175.00 Haba 1200 Baud Modem $25.00 Software: Timeworks Desktop Publisher $35.00 Timeworks Word Writer $20.00 GridIron Football $10.00 Make-It-Move Animation $5.00 Flash Telecommunications software $15.00 Books: Abacus Atari 1040ST Sound & Graphics $8.00 Abacus Atari 1040ST Internals $8.00 ++ plus public domain software The Whole Package (All of IT!!).....$450.00..... PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND BY MAIL.......I HAVE RECEIVED REPLIES FROM A PREVIOUS POSTING....BUT ALL EXCEPT 1 HAVE CAME BACK AS ERRORS........ Tim Hinton... (716)654-2539 Work (716)654-6894 Home Rochester, NY. ============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 22:08:18 GMT From: coplex!disk!unknown@uunet.uu.net (unknown) Subject: Atari 520 ST Tradins, upgrades.. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is atari offering any trade-ins or upgrades for it's 520 STs? I have one of the very first STs with Tos in ROM. I'd rather trade it in (if there's an offer for STe's) than to upgrade memory... -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Shawn Beltz :) :) :) The opinions expressed in this message are unknown@disk.UUCP the opinions expressed in this message are uunet!ukma!corpane!disk!unknown the opinions expressed in this message.... ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 12:58:27 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!helios!etsuv2.etsu.edu!r_gam bs@arizona.edu (The Pendragon) Subject: Could someone answer this? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Maybe I missed something, since I don't read this group often, but Could someone please tell me what happened to START magazine? Last I heard they were going bi-monthly, but I haven't gotten anything from them since. Thanks to whoever posted the address for CN. Now, can someone give me an address for Sideline Software? Do they have a free catalogue? ///////////////////////////////////-\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //// Send EMAIL to: |Robert Gambs |||| \\\\ /// s54394gr@etsuacad.etsu.edu |Computer "Games" Major |||| \\\ // Or R_Gambs@etsuv2.etsu.edu |East Texas State University/ || \ \\ /=======================================================================\ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 14:26:23 GMT From: europa.asd.contel.com!noc.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!dmb@uunet.uu.net (David M. Baggett) Subject: Dave Baggett's .au converter To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul25.120846.5868@oz.plymouth.edu> pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu (Technoid) writes: >Hello, > > Yesterday I was extremely excited when I read a message by >Dave Baggett speaking of the files he was plaicing in DIGISTUF.ARC and >putting on atari.archive. I ftped the file and unarced to find 3 more arc's. >None of them contained the .au converter to ST digitized sounds which is >too bad, because that was the only thing I really wanted from the archive. >Dave, if you are reading this, could you please put that file in >atari.archive, thanks. Before we get TOO excited, I should mention that the main reason I never posted the converter before is that the sound quality you get from the resulting sounds sort of, well, leaves "something to be desired". It works, but some sounds come out better than others. (I've never been able to understand why the uLaw encoding process seems to lose information. You should be able to get 8-bit resolution back. BTW, I did it two different ways, both by the uLaw spec, and both sounded about the same. Hmmm.) The digistuf.arc that's currently up on atari.archive is OLD. I did post the new digistuf.arc but the good fellows at atari.archive haven't put it up yet. (They have real lives too?!?!?) In any case, my announcement was perhaps premature. Sorry for the confusion, folks. Look for digistuf.arc next week. Dave Baggett dmb@wam.umd.edu ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 01:44:27 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!jjung@arizona.edu (Robert Jung) Subject: Lynx info wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <3947@charon.cwi.nl> martijn@cwi.nl (Martijn Roos Lindgreen) writes: >A couple of articles ago I saw something about the Lynx in this group. >Is there another group where I can find more about the Lynx, or is this >the group where Lynx-oriented articles appear? Subscribe to rec.games.video -- it covers all home dedicated video game systems, including the Lynx. Save comp.sys.atari.st for the computer talk. >Yesterday I bought a Lynx, and I am interested in the opinions on >existing games, especially the multi-player games. Before spending >money on games not worth it I'd like some feedback on what games are >worth their money. At a friend's place I saw two people play Slime World, >which is the main reason I bought the machine. Gauntlet looks promising >as well. Any other info around ??? Too much to put in a single message in an inappropriate newsgroup. I suggest you re-submit your request to rec.games.video; if you can't get that, I'll be glad to answer any Lynx-specific questions via e-mail. (Quick tidbit -- the best multiplayer Lynx game out now is WARBIRDS. 1-4 players in an honest-to-gosh WWI biplane combat/flight simulator. Pitting your flying skills against your friends is a real high...) --R.J. B-) //////////////////////////////////////|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Send whatevers to jjung@nunki.usc.edu | If it has pixels, I'm for it. --------------------------------------+----------------------------Lynx me up! "If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, shoot it anyway." ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 05:10:57 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wupost!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.u nisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!revpk@arizona.edu (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) Subject: PC-Ditto I -vs- SoftPC To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu patrick@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (Patrick Hawke) writes: > I want to use a Serial PC Scanner on my ST because of the availabilty. > > I currently have PC Ditto I. How does this compare to SoftPC in Spectre (MAC > > > I mostly want to use this to transfer documents using PC-OCR software. > > > Thanks, > > ___ > /__/ ___ > /atrick / > <_/ames/__/ > / /awke > > patrick@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com Just one recommendation; I've been using ReadRight with a Logitech hand-held scanner on my IBM at work, and-- with a few problems-- it's easily the best OCR on the market. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Brian Siano, Delaware Valley Skeptics Rev. Philosopher-King of The First Church of the Divine Otis Redding revpk@Cellar.UUCP "Ecrasez l'enfame!" - Voltaire """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 16:11:27 GMT From: coplex!disk!unknown@uunet.uu.net (unknown) Subject: Plea for help <-- dead 1040! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, in my old user group (WACE) we had a cure for that.. Lift the computer about three inches off the table, and drop it! I know this sounds drastic, but it works.. The condition you described is usually due to some of the chips inside being loose, and dropping the computer is like droping a hammer on its handle to push the head on tighter.. (NOTE: Although this works, don't hold me responsible if your St winds up in several small and inconvenient peices :) ) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Shawn Beltz :) :) :) The opinions expressed in this message are unknown@disk.UUCP the opinions expressed in this message are uunet!ukma!corpane!disk!unknown the opinions expressed in this message.... ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 12:56:26 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.a c.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Plea for help <-- dead 1040! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul25.173228.29589@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov> fsctc@csduts1.lerc.nasa.gov (Clarence T. Chang) writes: > Also, remember to ground yourself! I did that to my 520 in the winter of 85. > It was dry in the house, and I thought I could get away with it by immersing > myself in the stream of my ultrasonic humidifier. I pulled my mmu and glu > out of their sockets, rubbed pencil erasers over the contacts to get rid of the > oxides, and then put the chips back in. I turned the power on. A blank, white > screen stared back at me. At that moment, I thought my chance of getting out > of the dungeon of MIT (with insanity certification) just evaporated. Well, not > quite. $140 (parts and labor) and two weeks later, the beast was back. > > Ever since then, I've always attached myself to a wire (tuck a strip into my > metal watch band) and connect the other end to the ground on the wall socket. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEVER EVER DO THIS UNLESS YOU WISH TO KILL YOURSELF.. > The human body can easily generate up to 10000 volts of static electricity. > > Clarence All Static straps have a 1 meg 1 watt resistor fitted in them, so make sure you fit one of these, this will stop you being killed , wire this resistor in the far end of the lead, and cover it with heat shrink tubing. ** It payes to be safe **.. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 13:45:11 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yal e.edu!cs.yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!fischer-robert@arizona.edu (Robert Fischer) Subject: The Vault 3.0 announcement -- THE BEST in Atari Hard Disk Backup To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu *********************************************************** *************** Major upgrade to The Vault **************** *********************************************************** I recently posted a number of programs I wrote, including a large upgrade to The Vault (hard disk backup -- fast, safe, reliable) to comp.binaries.atari.st and comp.sources.atari.st. I also uploaded them to atari.archive.umich.edu for anonymous FTP. Some have been filed while others are still in the atari/new directory. 40424 Jul 16 21:17 ff32bin.zoo Speeds up floppy disks without reformatting them, safe, faster than Twister. 30689 Jul 16 21:17 ff32src.zoo Source for ff32bin.zoo 164028 Jul 16 23:52 lynxlib.zoo C library needed to compile most of my programs 15353 Jul 16 21:17 mclock.zoo Corner clock, works even on Megas, also has option for a 100-hour-per-day clock 20191 Jul 16 21:17 shfflbin.zoo Game -- makes a puzzle out of any bitmap picture 12523 Jul 16 21:17 shfflsrc.zoo Source for shfflbin.zoo 31371 Jul 16 21:17 sokobin.zoo New port of Sokoban, lets you take back as many moves as you like. 19515 Jul 16 21:17 sokosrc.zoo Source to sokobin.zoo 29007 Jul 17 10:50 key.zoo Repost of the key -- restore program for The Vault This is no change from the last version of The Key, posted over 1 1/2 years ago. 99880 Jul 16 21:17 vltbin.zoo The Vault 3.0. The best in Atari hard disk backup just got better! If you use The Vault, upgrade to version 3.0. It is totally rewritten, has a much better user interface, and has been well tested for half a year now. And it still writes TOS-format disks with the same speed it always has. I you don't use The Vault, try it -- you'll like it. If you have any questions, comments or problems with any of the above programs, please send a message directly to me at fischer-robert@cs.yale.edu. A message posted to a newsgroup will never get to me, because I don't read newsgroups. Enjoy, --- Bob -- | Robert Fischer | | Arpanet: | ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 13:49:35 GMT From: richsun!chuck@uunet.uu.net (Chuck Menard) Subject: TT memory (was allocation) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes: >I am considering upgrading to an Atari TT. As I understand it TT's >only come in two models: the TT/2 and the TT/8. Is the ST RAM *only* >on the mother board, or is half of it on the extra TT RAM card? A. Pratt from Atari posted info about TT RAM a while back. Here in the U.S. one can purchase TT/2, TT/4 or TT/8. The TT/2 is ST RAM 2M on the Mother Board. To upgrade or purchase TT/4 you will get 2M more of ST RAM on a ST RAM daughter board. To upgrade or purchase TT/8 you will get another daughter board with TT RAM - another 4M of RAM (these are SIMMs - no SIMMs for ST RAM). > >Also what kind of RAM is in the two types of RAM for the TT: SIMMs, >SIPs, chips, or some mixture of the above? I would prefer getting a >TT/2 and upgrading the ST RAM to 4 Mb in the case that SIMMs are >involved. I would probably later on, sometime next year when the >European plant for 16 Mb chips starts operation, get the faster TT RAM >when prices would fall. >-- You can expand ST RAM to get a total of 10M. If you replace the 1M SIMMs from the TT RAM daughter board with 4M SIMMs you will get 16M of TT (fast) RAM. That means total memory could be 10M + 16M = 26M. >Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. >ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. >ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph >If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU >Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 >=============================================================================== >Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; You may not want a TT - STe is much cheaper and you can update memory with SIMMs. I have a TT and a ST. Many programs run on both, but of course, most games from the ST will probably not run on the TT. I believe that all of the Double Click Software that has been posted in the binaries is ST and TT compatible. CUL, Chuck ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 12:42:37 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.a c.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Use Unlzh 1.72 for Unlzhing! Works with all! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <44749@cup.portal.com> Bryan_Jones_Woodworth@cup.portal.com writes: > I have heard ENOUGH! I don't see why everyone has problems with LZH and > LHarc.. All you need to do is use UNLZH 1.72 and all your files will be > unlzh'd easily and painlessly! It uses a nice GEM interface and I have > had *no* problems with it. > > I use DC Utilities' DC Xtract 2.0 to LZH files. Before I upload them, I > > "test" the archive for errors. Once in a while the file fails the CRC check, > but when it passes 95% of the time, I proceed to upload it. > > If you do the above -- use UNLZH 1.72 to unlzh, then use a LZH'r which can > test LZHives -- you will have no problems whatsoever. However, there is no > way you can get around bad LZH files someone else may have uploaded. WE > just need to encourage everyone to test their LZH'd files; otherwise, use > ARC. > Here is how to get Unlzh 1.72 from Terminator: > > (This is the description of the file): > > >unlzh172.lzh 176 Unlharc version 1.72. I don't use this one. :). > > YOU SHOULD :) > > Request terminology: > > send archivers/unlzh172.lzh > > Enclosed in a message to: atari@atari.archive.umich.edu > > sincerely, Bryan_Jones_Woodworth@cup.portal.com I have DC Xtract 2.0 and find it Very buggy, not very useful with Folders, will include the Folder name of the Files that they are in, also this UNLZH172 will not work with Questers new LZH 2.0a, If you wan't the best Pack use LZH 2.0a, and it will unpack any LZH file. But I find DC Xtract very slow, I have left a few messages to DC about the problems with DC Xtract but to no evail. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 12:35:14 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.a c.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: WANTED: Stereo-Tek Glasses To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul24.185624.27908@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com> patrick@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com (Patrick Hawke) writes: > Is there a Commercial Source available for the Stereo-Tek Glasses? > > DO You have a pair you want to sell? > > Contact Me: > > ___ > /__/ ___ > /atrick / > <_/ames/__/ > / /awke > > patrick@hpmcaa.mcm.hp.com I think that the Sega Glasses that I have seen could be modified to work. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 13:00:29 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.a c.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu (Roger Sheppard) Subject: WANTED: Stereo-Tek Glasses To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article gs32+@andrew.cmu.edu (Geoffrey Spear) writes: > > I've been looking for a pair too. > > If anyone knows where to get some, send me a message too! I need them > (okay... maybe I don't NEED to animate stuff in 3-D, but I enjoy killing > my brain cells...) > > Geoffrey Spear > gs32+@andrew.cmu.edu > Carnegie Mellon Summer Pre-College Well I have seen some Sega Game Glasses in a Kmart Store here, I think they could be moded to do the job. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 18:49:44 GMT From: hpfcso!rrd@hplabs.hp.com (Ray Depew) Subject: Where's George? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu If you don't know George Soumakis, then hit "j" now... I'm looking for George Soumakis. The latest address I have for him is george@bony1.BONY.COM and apparently he isn't there anymore. If you have a more current address for him, please email it (email ONLY, please) to me at the address given below. Thank you. Regards Ray Depew HP ICBD -- IC's By Dictatorship Hewlett Packard Co, Fort Collins, Colorado rrd@hpfitst1.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 23:46:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!ljdic key@arizona.edu (L. J. Dickey) Subject: Which archiver ? (Was: use unl ... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul25.203604.20473@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes: > [...]. > if u want ease of use (with subdirs) and speed, use arc. if u want good >compression use lharc. there's been no reason to use zoo until >very recently. with the advent of the "high compression" method >zoo is now viable, but before it wasn't even in the running. I would like to report that I have done some recent tests with arc, zip, zoo, and (gasp) lharc. I have tried both ".prg" files and tried plain text files. In my tests, lharc always had the best compression ratios. But I know from earlier experience, that some compressors do better with certain kinds of data than others do, so I don't make the claim that lharc always has a better compression ratio. I suppose that once someone spends a lot of time playing with three or four different versions of lharc, they might feel comfortable with picking one version to run on one machine and another version to run on another. Frankly, it makes me nervous, and I dont know whose advice to trust when it comes to picking the version of lharc to use on my machine. What I do know is that right now, I have some ".lzh" files around that can not be extracted by "lharc_X" and I have some other ".lzh" files that can not be extracted by "lharc_Y". (Names changed to protect the guilty.) What I would like to see now is a review by someone who does not have an axe to grind who would advise me about the advantages and disadvantages of the most recent lharc programs and make some solid recommendations. I want to read a reasoned argument, and not someone who shouts "Use X!" or "Use Y!", or "Its the best thing since sliced bread!". I do not insist on having the source code, but what I have now, and what I want from any new archiver I might choose, is to be able to run on my current favorite UN*X box, on my ST, and on the PC at the office. (I hold out little hope for the Mac, in this regard; Mac users seem steeped in stuffit and binhex. :-). I have seen that there is some hope, because compression ratios are enough better with lharc to stimulate my interest, but there is this incompatability problem that I still worry about. -- Prof Leroy J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1 Internet: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ...!uunet!watmath!ljdickey Obsolescent?: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu BITNET/EARN: ljdickey@watdcs ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 91 13:13:51 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu !yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!cs.yale.edu!fischer-michael@arizona.edu (Michael Fischer) Subject: XCONTROL & Mouse Accel To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes: >I have had *NO* troubles using MACCEL3.PRG with XCONTROL on my Mega 4 >ST. It even puts some gibberish (non-ASCII) in the cookie jar. I no longer have troubles, either. The problem was due to an ill-behaved program that destroyed the cookie jar. (The latter program has since been fixed!) That's why things worked when MACCEL3.PRG was loaded last but not when it was loaded first. Thanks to everyone who responded to my original message. -- ================================================== | Michael Fischer | ================================================== ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************