Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 25 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 406 Today's Topics: A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish list)) crabs -- Screen-eating program for MiNT FAST Graphics Routines For Medium Res WANTED! (please) GhostScript 2.2 available GNU make ver. 3.59 Lattice C -- Single Pass? mgif v3.7 Plea for help <-- dead 1040! Problem w/ TeX 3.1 at atari.archive (was Re: getting TeX up and running on your ST) Superbase Paersonal date stamping of fields The BEST Atari mag in the USA... TT compatability... TT memory (was allocation) Use Unlzh 1.72 for Unlzhing! Works with all! Video tape backup system Where to get PC-DITTO II PALs ?????? XCONTROL & Mouse Accel Zoo 2.1 - archive whole dir structure? (2 msgs) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Jul 91 16:53:20 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish list)) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul15.163633.26800@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Timothy Gallivan) writes: | 4) A graphical interface to one of the PD debuggers would also be nice, | something like dbxtool on Suns. One window has the source | listing with an arrow pointing to the current line. Break points | can be selected with the mouse, etc. By the way, do any of | the commercial C packages have anything like this? That would already be decent! But why can't we get a decent debugger environment (even on a Sun)? I mean to have something under X11 as ergonomic as some of those old Lisp Machine debuggers were. I would just love to have something as usable as Xerox's Interlisp debugger front-end; that alone would reduce debugging time by at least 50%. Maybe this is all wishful thinking... -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Telephone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== THINK: Due to IMF & World Bank policies 100 million Latin American children are living, eating, and sleeping in the streets -- Le Monde Diplomatique ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jul 91 08:49:24 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: crabs -- Screen-eating program for MiNT To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu There seems to be a problem with the crabexe.lzh file that was posted. Neither Unix uudecode or uud or even uud on my ST could decode this file. In article koreth@twitterpater.eng.sun.com (Steven Grimm) writes: | table | !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>? | @ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]~_ | begin 644 crabexe.lzh | M'\TM;&@Q+68< !:-0 0E6K%B "4-204)3+E144,*)]FFQF'NG[!@R#==Cz | M0SK72P UW;UG[MOM>J6TW[!9;2FD7#2FHL$R,!K)_"0G,S-.MNAR!;:~RC0$5AC:LUC.(LF/w | M<\=+6)+.@[0?,ISZ;SD$2P6N+8TPQ~;:!;@W!v | M$7Z'5@D@;_%+ZQF0B/:JQ?#DN/07BQRBS(F_0~<'T$C2u | ..8>OG83 in the next to last line. The Unix versions all did a nice `segmentation violation.' Have others successfully recovered this file? Cheers, -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Telephone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== THINK: Due to IMF & World Bank policies 100 million Latin American children are living, eating, and sleeping in the streets -- Le Monde Diplomatique ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 02:00:02 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!mips!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bobste r@arizona.edu (Robert Jules Shaughnessy) Subject: FAST Graphics Routines For Medium Res WANTED! (please) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have been told that the graphics routines built into the operating system are not efficient. I am tinkering around with 3d graphics and would really like to get my hands on some (FAST) graphics routines. Specifically, a line drawing routine, a filled polygon routine, and a filled ellipse. If you have some of these, I WOULD REALLY like to have them. I am sure others will too. Thanks in advance! ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 04:24:40 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.e du!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!mp.cs.niu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!timothyg@ari zona.edu (Timothy Gallivan) Subject: GhostScript 2.2 available To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I uploaded the executable of GhostScript 2.2 for the Atari ST to atari.archive Monday evening. It should be available for downloading soon, probably in /atari/gnustuff/tos/ghstscrpt/gs22b.zoo. I am in the process of moving, so the sources won't be posted for a little while (maybe not until 2.3, which is due around the end of August). GS 2.2 sports some bug fixes, a monochrome screen driver, and five printer drivers (only one of which is tested). Improved 2.2 fonts are available at other archive sites, but the old fonts seem to work fine with 2.2 if you want to delay another lengthy download. This release is a considerable improvment over 2.1.1 and I recommend it highly. With the new screen driver, you can use ghostscript interactively to learn postscript or test a small piece of PS code. If anyone is interested, any email sent to me after August 15 1991 should be directed to: Tim Gallivan timg@landau.ph.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 12:59:08 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: GNU make ver. 3.59 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [ I tried replying to Warwick directly but I get that warwick@parasol.cs.uq.oz.au is an unknown user. Sorry for the unnecessary bandwidth. ----- Transcript of session follows ----- While talking to parasol.cs.uq.oz.au: >>> RCPT To: <<< 550 ... User unknown 550 ... User unknown ] Which make v. 3.59 are you using? The one from a.a? In mine I do *not* have to specify the complete path, but only the .ttp file extension: TEX = latex.ttp Otherwise, it and v. 3.54(?) would have trouble finding the file. Cheers, Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 18:01:03 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net (Jim Omura) Subject: Lattice C -- Single Pass? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I got my first "do nothing" program to compile and link and waddling through a slow program development I started to run into problems. Then something occurred to me. I compiled the sample program (WTEST.C) that comes with Lattice C and it compiled, linked and ran perfectly. Then I moved the 'main()' from the bottom of the source code to my normal location just under the globals (the "top" of the program) and it failed to compile. My best guess is that Lattice is a single pass compiler after all. I asked around before and was told it was multi-pass. But it's not something that some programmers would notice. At least not unless they try porting programs written by people who organize top down. I called Goldleaf and the fellow I talked to didn't even know if it was single-pass or multi-pass. Maybe I didn't talk to their best compiler man. Anyway, he's going to look into it and call me back tomorrow. If this is true, then I think I'd call it a *major* deficiency in their documentation. It should have said so on Page 2 right under the title "What is Lattice C 5?" The very first sentence should have said that it's a single-pass compiler. If it's not a single pass compiler, then I seem to have found a serious bug. :-) -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 06:49:55 GMT From: convex!rosenkra@uunet.uu.net (William Rosenkranz) Subject: mgif v3.7 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu since so many people asked for this, i have made mgif use dynamically allocated arrays (and fixed a few bugs). i uploaded file mgif37b.arc to atari.archive where it should be available in a few days. binary only at this point. -bill rosenkra@convex.com -- Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 04:54:29 GMT From: esseye!jdbbs!wybbs!therip!FredMail@uunet.uu.net (Rod Fulk) Subject: Plea for help <-- dead 1040! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well just pushing them down will work for a while but really just pushing them down is only a temporary fix at best... There are a few things you can do to stop it... #1, DO NOT smoke near the computer. (My dad doesnt listen to anyone and smokes at the computer... Every 2 years it has to be cleaned out. And I mean CLEANED OUT! You wouldnt believe how rough smoke is on connections and such..) #2, Get some contact cleaner (Be careful cause SOME will eat plastic too.. You do not want that...) #3, Pull all the socketed chips out one by one. (I place all the chips on my workbench in the same order they are onthe motherboard so I know where they go.) #4, once all the chips are out you can spray the cleaner over the contacts. (Note, if you do not want to do it this way you can pull each chip out one by one, spray the socket and then put the chip back in but pulling all the chips is faster. And wastes less.) This cleaning disolves any oxidation and any smoke or other residues on the contacts. #5, With the square chips you can sometimes loose contacts between the socket and the chip. (Tech specialties memory boards are good at causing this!) To fix it you take a medium sized paper clip and unfold it by half. YOu make the big loop into a handle and you cut the small loop so it has very little of the loop. YOur gonna use it as a pry bar and pull the pins in the socket out slightly. (NOT too far, remember that bending metal back and forth is not a good idea. So the less you bend it the better.. You dont need to bend it much anyhow.. #6, Put all the chips back in in the proper orientation and your alset. I did this with my dads machine and my own as well as three other computers. None of them responded well to my pushing the chips down.. (Had to keep pushing them down all the time.. Once a week at the least..) Once I went through the procedure above with all the machines they worked perfectly and still are. (2+ years!) I would suggest getting someone knowlegable to do it though.. (Note this message was really to the original poster but figured you could learn from this message too.. ;-) ) * Origin: The R.I.P. (616)235-2313 [HST] (1:228/24) ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jul 91 16:32:38 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: Problem w/ TeX 3.1 at atari.archive (was Re: getting TeX up and running on your ST) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have uploaded to atari.archive a corrected version of BibTeX compatible with the new TeX 3.1 distribution. Credit goes, of course, to Frank Ridderbusch for recompiling it! The difference is that it accepts a TEXINPUTS environment variable compatible with TeX 3.1/LaTeX: setenv TEXINPUTS '.\acm;.;e:\tex\inputs\local;e:\tex\inputs' Dont forget that in both versions your *.bib files are looked for in the BIBINPUTS path environment variable analogous to TEXINPUTS. Cheers, -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 11:20 GMT From: DCMA22%UJVAX.ULSTER.AC.UK@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Superbase Paersonal date stamping of fields To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know how to date stamp fields within Superbase Personal ? I keep a database of names and addresses for a missionary in Africa, so people who change their address inform me first. So when the missionary comes home I give her a copy of the database for her own records. The problem is when I run Superbase Personal it sets the ST clock to the year 2038 ! which is useless for date stamping files never mind fields. What I would like to do is every time I edit someones address a field would automatically sho the current date. The manual gives no idication of how to do this. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 19:59:02 GMT From: aurs01!whitcomb@uunet.uu.net (Jonathan Whitcomb) Subject: The BEST Atari mag in the USA... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul23.221541.1409@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lch3e@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Lauren C. Howard) writes: > > For all those bemoaning the state of Atari magazines; > >CURRENT NOTES has become the best Atari mag in the US bar none. Can't argue with that! I subscribed this January, and can't believe I'd never heard of it before. The magazine is very well done and the writing is very good, particularly the regular columns by Dave Small and John Barnes. >$27 per year ($23 if you belong to an affiliated user group) > from: >Current Notes, 122 N. Johnson St., Vienna, Va. > (someone else please supply the ZIP; I forgot it! Thanx) The zip is 22170. You can also subscribe by phone by calling 703-450-4761. Note that they publish 10 isues per year (they take breaks in August and January). ********************************************************************** Jonathan Whitcomb UUCP: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh, NC GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3 ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jul 91 14:10:56 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: TT compatability... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Can other TT users please describe if they have had any compatiblity problems when they upgraded to an Atari TT. I am mainly interested in the types of programs that are either on USENET or atari.archive. Thanks in advance, and of course I'll summarize if interest warrants. -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 91 13:56:49 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: TT memory (was allocation) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am considering upgrading to an Atari TT. As I understand it TT's only come in two models: the TT/2 and the TT/8. Is the ST RAM *only* on the mother board, or is half of it on the extra TT RAM card? Also what kind of RAM is in the two types of RAM for the TT: SIMMs, SIPs, chips, or some mixture of the above? I would prefer getting a TT/2 and upgrading the ST RAM to 4 Mb in the case that SIMMs are involved. I would probably later on, sometime next year when the European plant for 16 Mb chips starts operation, get the faster TT RAM when prices would fall. -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 91 07:03:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex!rosenkra@arizona.edu (William Rosenkranz) Subject: Use Unlzh 1.72 for Unlzhing! Works with all! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <44749@cup.portal.com> Bryan_Jones_Woodworth@cup.portal.com writes: >I have heard ENOUGH! I don't see why everyone has problems with LZH and >LHarc.. All you need to do is use UNLZH 1.72 and all your files will be >unlzh'd easily and painlessly! It uses a nice GEM interface and I have >had *no* problems with it. i'll tell u why: unless there is source code, i can't run it on a unix box. and i do NOT want to download (at 2400 baud) a 500kB file before i look at it. i admit to not checking if source was included. if it is, which i doubt, then...never mind. oh, the source better be C, not assembler, too. by telling me it has a gem interface, i can guess it is highly non-portable. it's real simple: if u think unlzh solves the world's problems, then post source code (so we can port it) and we won't complain (too much... :-). then after unpacking, we can "zoo" it like it should have been in the first place :-). -bill rosenkra@convex.com -- Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: {uunet,texsun}!convex!rosenkra Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra@convex.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 13:03 +0200 From: Milan Adamov Subject: Video tape backup system To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Few months ago I've heard that there is a company in USA which makes videotape backup system for Atari ST. I think that company's location was somewhere in Texas, and that entire system ( cartridge, cables, software ) costs around $100. Who know anything about this company and it's product ? Will this backup system work on PAL VCR ? Will it work with other video system than VHS ? Beta, Video 8 ? /****************************************************************************/ /* Milan Adamov | */ /* Ratka Vujovica Coce 6 ] | [ There is question that has no answer.*/ /* 11090 Belgrade ---|--- Does my country still exist ? */ /* Yugoslavia ] | [ */ /* EADAMOV@YUBGEF51.BITNET | */ /****************************************************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jul 91 18:43:36 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watcgl!electr o.com!george@arizona.edu (George Reimer) Subject: Where to get PC-DITTO II PALs ?????? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I would like to buy my friend's PC-DITTO II from him but... He has no PALS for it!! He sent them away for the upgrade they offered but they went belly up before he got the replacements. Is there anyway to get these devices? You can't copy them , cause the security fuse's are blown. Has someone got a spare set? Has someone got the PAL equations? Has someone got a person to contact , formerly of PC-DITTO? Help would be greatly appreciated. -- _______________________________________ |---|---|line--upon--line---|---|---|---| watmath!watcgl!electro!george |---|--building the foundations-|---|---|---| george@electro.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 91 16:02:31 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: XCONTROL & Mouse Accel To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have had *NO* troubles using MACCEL3.PRG with XCONTROL on my Mega 4 ST. It even puts some gibberish (non-ASCII) in the cookie jar. I have upgraded from MOUSTRIP.PRG, to MACCEL2.PRG, to MACCEL3.PRG. I believe that MACCEL3 is just MACCEL2 with some XCONTROL, cookie jar stuff added on, right Allan? With MACCEL3, SYSINFO tells me that MACCEL2 is installed. In order to use MACCEL3.PRG you also need MACCEL.CPX. When I first installed XCONTROL I left MACCEL2 lying around and that caused the system to freeze up! Good luck to all, -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jul 91 15:22:44 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: Zoo 2.1 - archive whole dir structure? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I believe the version of zoo from cs.uni-sb.de had an `r' option in order to do recursive archival. Of course, it is bigger and then again it is not 2.1. -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jul 91 16:15:51 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: Zoo 2.1 - archive whole dir structure? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [ The following accidently went to alt.sources.d when it was actually Atari specific ] I believe the version of zoo from cs.uni-sb.de had an `r' option in order to do recursive archival. Of course, it is bigger and then again it is not 2.1. -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Telephone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== THINK: Due to IMF & World Bank policies 100 million Latin American children are living, eating, and sleeping in the streets -- Le Monde Diplomatique ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************