========================================================================= 640x800 on SM 124 with STE Amiga/Atari Amiga is better then [sic] what??? APPLE + IBM Agreement GNU emacs (still can't get it to work) lharc woes (AGAIN, was Is Midi maze ll (2 msgs) Multi Lingual Word Processor Multitasking for ST (to sell) PageStream VS Calmus Please... Portfolio in Terminator 2? Quick ST v. 3 - When? Really dumb question about the 68000 software QDOS emulators on the ST? Sybex STe/TT systems book TT memory allocation Two Questions Wanted: Atari 1040ST Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Jul 91 23:05:00 GMT From: mcsun!unido!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!k2.maus.de!Christoph_Br egulla@uunet.uu.net (Christoph Bregulla) Subject: 640x800 on SM 124 with STE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, I searched for the big screen emulators at ABK-BBS in Norway... But I couldn't find them ! The call cost me about DM10.- :-( Are the emulators there or not ? Ciao Christoph ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 14:31:19 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!udel!haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!vger.nsu. edu!manes@arizona.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) Subject: Amiga/Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul5.203125.3818@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, ykidron@isis.cs.du.edu (Yaron kidron) writes: > Hello there! > > I would like to comment over the latest issues posted in this news net. I > was really stunned after I've seen the total amount of gibberish non-sense > submitted by other computer users. I was so shocked, I started laughing at it. It has been funny--for the most part. > [Introduction etc. deleted] > > A person which compares computers by specifics and raves the differences > around is not a computer enthusiast. He is a dimwit which I wouldn't like to > see using a computer. Computers is not his profession or hobby, and he would > more suitable to be a politician. Tom, that line was refered to you. Ack. Such sweeping generalizations! The word 'enthusiast' implies enthusiasm, excitement and general up-beat attitude toward a particular object, subject or whatever. I consider myself a computer enthusiast and I have participated in discussions about different machine/software constructions. So I guess I object to being labeled a 'dimwit'. > > Furthermore, A computer can not be compared to other computers. As I see it, > my computers are as dear to me as others pets. You can not compare a dog to a > cat, either financialy nor mentaly. A computer is a complex, non-linear > construction of electronics, software, and evidently, money. I can never do any > comparison of my 386 with my Casio fx82 calculator. There are things my 386 > does better, but there are things my Casio can do better as well. A computer can be compared to other computers. You must have done it in order for you to select your 386. You compared the ST to the 386 and discovered that you could not develop Intel software on your ST. Your posting smells of political correctness. It seems in our society that if you don't accept everything as "wonderful" you are considered a dimwit, or at the very least uninformed. There are obvisous benefits and disadvantages to every purchase (computer or not) and it is silly to simply say "well it does what I want it too" and not learn from the experience. The problem is that people are too sensitive. Everyone has to think that _they_ have selected the best. The days of decent technical merit discussions have changed to the days of mine is better than yours arguments based in marketspeak. The problem with computers and users today is that they in general are far too complacent. We don't demand excellence and we don't get excellence. Don't believe me? Look at Microsoft, they quit releasing excellent performing software when they released MS/DOS 1.0. We as a group no longer look at the technical merits, instead we look at what our neighbor has and decide that if he has a 286 I must have a 386. I call this Volvo envy. Gone is the time when people make intelligent decisions based on how a product performs. There is nothing wrong yelling from the treetops when you have discovered something wonderful. In this world there is very little that is truly wonderful. The problem is nobody wants to know what is "better". Most folks want to live in their private little worlds and not have their dreams shattered. It is a shame. There is something wrong with gloating. That is the crime in these psstings. Gloating is an exercise of chest-puffing and _is_ a waste of net bandwidth. > > Bringing us to the matter. Comparing non-linear concepts with a linear ( our > mind ) material is totally worthless. I programmed the Amiga, and I programmed > the ST. But I never said to myself: 'Oh look, that routine runs better on that > Commodore machine'. No way. I just done my job, and enjoyed both of the worlds. > Why fight? Why bring up such stupid text to a network? Why tire the computers > for such bullshit? > Actually if I had not done these comparisons I would still be using my Timex Sinclair 1000. To stay competitive in the business of computers you _must_ know what other people are using and why, because if you don't you are likely to wake up and find that the world has left you. That is why I read comp.sys.atari.st and the other newsgroups. I do not want to be ignorant of what is happening. I can't afford to be. > The ST is a fine machine. It's great. So is the Amiga. I have many > complaints for Atari themselves, by not supporting their machine, but I have no > problems whatsoever with the machine itself. As a package, enclosed with a very > resonable price, the ST is a winner. No comparisons! Your statement should read if you wish to maintian your political correctness "The ST is a machine. It exists. So does the Amiga". That way you don't offend anyone. See this is the problem with the world. It is just like gun control, instead of controlling the people who mis-use guns the solution is to get rid of the guns. See the point? > >[Lots of comparisons and marketing thoughts deleted] > > > Finally, lets keep this stuff of the net. It's just a waste of money, and > dear, the life of precious computers around the world. Stop it. It looks like a > mud fight in the sewer. Tom, Peter, enjoy your machines. I'll enjoy mine too. > Behave yourself dudes, grow up. Or otherwise, steer clear from computer life. > It is not for you. Let us get the current crap off of the net. I would enjoy a factual comparison between computers. What Thomas Hill did was wrong, as it smelled like the kind of help FortWorth-less Jim (Ex-Speaker of the House) would offer "We...we only wannna help you.." Yes, I am an Amiga owner. No doubt you figured it out. I also have owned a c64, Timex 1000, Sanyo MBC-555, Atari ST, 286 and several Amigas. I enjoy computers but I am never silly enough not to understand the mistakes in purchases I have made as well as the "excellent" selections I have made. If every machine was perfect wouldn't Microsoft have given it to you?? > > Yaron Kidron, > s2886663@techst2.technion.ac.il > -mark= --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark D. Manes // CIS : 74030,744 System Manager/Programmer // Email: manes@vger.nsu.edu Norfolk State University \\\// Amiga Phone: (804) 683-2532 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "AmigaDOS 2.0 is the future of the Amiga -- be a part of it!" ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 02:32:31 GMT From: esseye!jdbbs!wybbs!therip!FredMail@uunet.uu.net (Rod Fulk) Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu No, you misread my post.. Most programs on the ST are powerful enough that they do not need to use multi tasking to get other features... Sure the St has very well running TSR's which is the main type of programmost amiga people do multi task with day to day... With the inclusion of Desk accessories I can add specioalized functions if the program doesnt already have them... I can download in the back ground or upload.. I can run a bbs in the background too.. (Citadel via one of many multi tasking kernals) The beef is the ST doesnt really NEED multi tasking... The current features really make multi tasking pretty worthless for most functions. However if you ever want to use a computer as a multi user system well then niether the ST or the Amiga will work well as is.. * Origin: The R.I.P. (616)235-2313 [HST] (1:228/24) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 16:22:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!shawl@arizona.e du Subject: APPLE + IBM Agreement To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just to get some discussion going: What do you all think will be the effect on Atari of the recent agreement between Apple and IBM? It seems to me that it could be deadly. Steve Shawl ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 04:39:02 GMT From: pa.dec.com!hollie.rdg.dec.com!ryn.mro4.dec.com!aidev.enet.dec.com!miskinis@decw rl.dec.com (John Miskinis) Subject: GNU emacs (still can't get it to work) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, I've received a few mail messages regarding help on getting GNU emacs to work. I still get the same error "terminal type atari is now pwerful enough to run..." I've tried 3 different termcap files, that people have sent me. I've updated TERM to be the first string in the definition file, (atari, atari-st, and vt52-emulator respectively), I point TERMCAP to the device and directory of the termcap file. This has some effect, as I don't see any "can't find termcap database" errors... Does anyone have any more advise, or can a pointer to where I can buy a disk, or copy the files in a working manner? Many thanks again! _John_ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 91 21:37:00 GMT From: mcsun!unido!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!hh.maus.de!Thomas_Quest er@uunet.uu.net (Thomas Quester) Subject: lharc woes (AGAIN, was Is To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ue>Hi Thomas, ue>>If you get an error-message "Unknown method", your archive is packed with ue>>LHA 2.xx on a PC. This is impossible to adapt to the atari st until there ue>>are sources available, ue>I already sent you the sources for an lh5 extractor/creator via email (on ue>wednesday). Did you recieve them already? The program works perfect and ue>very fast (altough it's pure C)... ue>So the problem with the LHA 2.xx archives using the lh5 compression method ue>should be over... It works fine, though it was some work to get it to work in the original LHarc-Sources. I am looking for a way to post this version ---------------------------------------------------- Thomas Quester * Lampenland 9 * 2050 Hamburg 80 MauTau V 2.2c - Lieber Sex in der Wueste als Sand im Bett. (Net) ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jul 91 19:20:00 GMT From: mcsun!unido!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!hh.maus.de!Laurenz_Prue ssner@uunet.uu.net (Laurenz Pruessner) Subject: Midi maze ll To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu R C Smith robin%castle.ed.ac.uk @ SUB wrote Mo, 01.07.91 08:07 >>Midi Maze II is shipped with an editor that allows anyone to add mazes. It's >>not included in the PD-version, but is part of the shareware-package that is >>available from the developers: >> >>The shareware-contribution should be 50.-- DM. > >What is 50 DM in either \pounds or $ ? 50 DM is a little less than US$ 30. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 91 10:53:00 GMT From: mcsun!unido!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!ac2.maus.de!Stefan_Rupp @uunet.uu.net (Stefan Rupp) Subject: Midi maze ll To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, R C Smith robin%castle.ed.ac.uk @ SUB wrote: RC>>The shareware-contribution should be 50.-- DM. RC>What is 50 DM in either \pounds or $ ? The problem is, that Sigma-Soft (which distributes Midimaze II) has the rights of the name "Midimaze" just in Germany and Austria. So they are not allowed to distribute it in the US or somewhere else. BUT: If you will ship some kind of gift to them, they will send you a new copy of Midimaze II :-). The DEM 50,-- is the shareware-conrtibution in Germany. So, if you want to get Midimaze from the US, think of a bonus. DEM 50,-- are probably 30 US-$ Ciao, struppi ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 15:06:23 GMT From: hpl-opus!hpnmdla!frankh@hplabs.hp.com (Frank Hamlin) Subject: Multi Lingual Word Processor To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu My uncle is looking for a multi lingual word processor for printing both English and Greek. He was shown a program called "Power Writer and Multi Lingual Word Processor." This program was run on an Atari ST computer, but they had no documentation. He was able to get the following information: The program was written by Power Systems 13406 NE 84 ST. Redman, Washington 206 888-3730 It was designed by Drew H. and was REV 1.4. My uncle has written to the above address, and called the phone number. I also called information in Redman to try and find another phone number. We have not been able to contact this company. Does anyone know how to contact this company? Does anyone have a copy of the program they would be willing to sell? Does anyone know if this program has been set up to run on an IBM compatible? Any help you can give us would be appreciated. Thanks Frank Hamlin frankh@sr.hp.com 707 539-4991 (H) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 12:45:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!math.fu- berlin.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus Brod) Subject: Multitasking for ST (to sell) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu carter@engr.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter) writes: >GEM isn't even a viable App platform environment anymore, for christ sakes, >come to your senses and yell for a real operating system like UNIX and >MOTIF/X Windows. >GEM is a DOG with RABIES that should have been SHOT a long TIME AGO. Oh yeah. That's why Apple junked their MacOS four years ago and went into Unix V.4. (Correct me if I'm wrong 8-) Wasn't this pure fun for all those application programmers? Didn't they make a fortune out of upgrade fees? Oh, those good old times... What's so wrong about GEM, Greg? Tell us in detail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 02:05:11 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w isc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter) Subject: PageStream VS Calmus To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Calamus? PageStream? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Your joking right? --Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 JUL 91 15:34 N From: "OUT, OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-O..." Subject: Please... To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am bored of all this. I am a peaceful man, and I feel I love the world. But I - and many other people - do not want to know wheteher our ST's are better than AMIGAs. We simply do NOT care about it. We are happy with what we have and we claim our ***right*** to read our Atari Digest without being forced to drink all that AMIGA-ST war stuff. I am seriously thinking about signing off, because I cannot take any- more. NONE can take anymore. In other words, we've got enough. Are you happy with your ST. OK. Are you happy with your AMIGA? OK. By the way, I'm mailing from a VAX 6320 of which I am sysadm - and please THINK before you speak (...received?...). So, before I get very angry, let's stop and speak about something worth. By the way, if we are not able to do so - why complaining about REAL wars... do we all like them? Marco Olivotto olivotto@itincisca.bitnet olivotto@itnvax.cineca.it ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 02:40:32 GMT From: esseye!jdbbs!wybbs!therip!FredMail@uunet.uu.net (Rod Fulk) Subject: Portfolio in Terminator 2? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Did you see the O in the Portfolio name? Kinda neat... * Origin: The R.I.P. (616)235-2313 [HST] (1:228/24) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 23:45:14 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!ersys!ggranger@arizona.edu (Greg Granger) Subject: Quick ST v. 3 - When? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu glennd@athena.arc.nasa.gov (Glenn Deardorff - GDP) writes: > Does anyone know if (or when) Quick ST v.3 is supposed to be out? I > thought it was supposed to be in June or July. I sent in my $15 upgrade > fee, but haven't heard anything from them. > > Thanks. - Glenn Myself and a few others on the network are still beta-testing Quick ST 3.0 for Darek. No promises are being made here, but it may be ready by the end of the month (at least BRA Soft isn't another "InterSect Software" for supposedly bringing out updates). Greg Granger < InterNet: ggranger@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca > "Gimme the strongest < FoReMNet: Greg Granger @ 532 or Dark Knight @ 595 > thing you've got." < Mail Adr: 5906-188 St. Edmonton, AB Canada T6M-2A9 > < Phone : +1 403 481-0803 or +1 403 481-5110 > - Lt. Frank Drebin ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 15:35:01 GMT From: netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!sierra.egr.msu.edu!schultzd@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Count Zero Interrupt) Subject: Really dumb question about the 68000 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The TOS used in machines other than the STEs and TTs is chip specific. That is, it will not work on anything other than a 68000. -- ||| David W. Schultz ||| ||| uunet[!rutgers!mailrus]!frith!schultzd ||| / | \ Work Phone: (517)-353-8891 / | \ / | \ "All I see Pornographitti, All I hear Pornographitti..." / | \ ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 15:05:51 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!q1ygq@uunet.uu.net (Jonathan Spencer) Subject: software QDOS emulators on the ST? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm thinking of upgrading to one of the Atari machines, probably one of the ST's. Does anyone know if there are any *software* QDOS emulators available at a sensible price? I've got a lot of stuff stored away in Archive DB files and would rather not lose it nor have to re-enter it. email would be best. =========================================================================== From : Jonathan M Spencer Mail : Computing Lab., University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE1 7RU, England Phone : +91 222 8229 ARPA : J.M.Spencer%newcastle.ac.uk@cs.ucl.ac.uk JANET : J.M.Spencer@uk.ac.newcastle UUCP : !ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!J.M.Spencer =========================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jul 91 23:09:00 GMT From: mcsun!unido!ira.uka.de!smurf.sub.org!artcom0!hb.maus.de!k2.maus.de!Christoph_Br egulla@uunet.uu.net (Christoph Bregulla) Subject: Sybex STe/TT systems book To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu O>The price will be DM 89.- oder 99.-. And yes, we (the authors) and Sybex ~~~~ :-))) Ciao Christoph ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 13:19:38 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!yorkohm!minster!martin@uunet.uu.net Subject: TT memory allocation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The Atari TT has two kinds of main memory, ST compatible ``ST RAM'', and faster, but incompatible ``TT RAM''. The developers' notes describe a new flag to an extended system malloc function to say which kind of memory should be used, and also says that there are two bits in the program header which say which sort of RAM the program should be loaded into, and which sort of memory should be returned by default, by the system malloc functions. OK so far. My problem is that I can't find anywhere a description of *which bits* in the program header contain this information! If anyone could tell me which bits I should invert to get a program to load, and execute in TT RAM I would be very grateful. Please mail any answers to me, and I will summarize to the net any solutions. Many thanks, Martin usenet: ...!mcsun!ukc!minster!martin JANET: martin@uk.ac.york.minster INTERNET: martin%minster.york.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk surface: Dr. Martin C. Atkins Dept. of Computer Science University of York Heslington York YO1 5DD ENGLAND ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 15:49:45 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Two Questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9107081656.AA08301@cwns6.INS.CWRU.Edu> ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: > > > 1. Could someone send me the MidiMaze II doc in english? > > 2. Will a MegaFile 30 run on a first production run STe? > ( The One With The DMA Problems. ) > > Thanks! You can't guarantee any Hard Drives with the DMA bug, get the DMA IC replaced. In this country we have a sales of goods act, this meens that the product must not be faulty for its nominal fault free life, if it is, they must fix it free of charge. Note, this is a manufactures fault and sould be replaced at no charge to you, its Ataries fault not yours. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 91 17:17:19 GMT From: rit!cci632!th@cs.rochester.edu (Tim Hinton) Subject: Wanted: Atari 1040ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ============================================================== Hardware: Atari 1040ST Computer (Midi Port) Atari 1224 Color Monitor Haba 1200 Baud Modem Software: Timeworks; Desktop Publisher & Word Writer, GridIron Football, Make-It-Move Animation, Flash Telecommunications software, plus public domain software Includes cables, manuals, and books............$450.00 Tim Hinton...(716)654-6894....Rochester, NY.... ============================================================== ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************