Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 8 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 380 Today's Topics: Amiga is better then what??? Atari Developer support disconnected? Breaking links in a hard disk (ACSI) chain Diamond Back II (w/Cache) Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files How to "unpack" and "decode"? MEGA STE problems (Summarise) MEGA STE problems - more victims Multitasking for ST (to sell) NEED SM125 line transformer! URGENT! PageStream VS Calmus Portfolio in T2 Portfolio in Terminator 2? Quick ST v. 3 - When? Really dumb question about the 68000 Team Yankee Two Questions Unix Windows.... UW Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Jul 91 07:36:58 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mwowm!mathew@uunet.uu.net (Million Headed Monster) Subject: Amiga is better then what??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu (ST owners and thinking Amiga owners skip the rest of this message.) In <5313@orbit.cts.com>, Erik Funkenbusch writes: > mathew@mwowm.mantis.co.uk (Million Headed Monster) writes: > >> since when does the STe have a graphics co-processor capable of > >> running concurently with the CPU? > > > >Since it was launched? > > Does the Atari blitter have 3 DMA inputs which can be combined in any of 256 > minterms and output on a 4th DMA channel? is the Atari Blitter programmed by > a custom graphics co-processor that runs it's own programs seperate from the > cpu? Who cares? All *I* am concerned with is how fast the graphics are. Anything apart from moving rectangles around is faster on the ST than the Amiga. Yeah, the Amiga is wonderful for arcade games. But I prefer 3D stuff. NOW FUCK OFF. > >> since when does the STe have Multi-tasking? > > > >Since I decided to run a multi-tasking OS on it? > > Well, so how great is this OS? is not only multi-tasking, but re-entrant too? > does it allow for multi-threadable applications and shared data structures? > Does it have ANY form of interprocess communication, much less a standard > form? Yes. NOW FUCK OFF. > >All ST software which uses the OS graphics routines will be speeded up by > >the blitter. Many programs which *don't* use the OS have blitter support > >as well, since ST blitters have been around since 1987. > > That uses the graphics routines. and how many don't? Arcade games. > how many do? Serious applications. (You do know what those are, don't you?) NOW FUCK OFF. > >I don't know about the US, but in the UK the STe is cheaper than the A500. > > Is that why the Amiga is selling more units there than Atari? Only according to Commodore's figures. > are you comparing mail order ST > prices to dealer Amiga prices? Nope. I've not looked hard enough to find a dealer selling Amigas. NOW FUCK OFF. > >> I have a book that attempts to > >> do the same thing on an Amiga and an ST, and they had to supply a whole bunch > >> of routines that had to be written from scratch to match what they used in the > >> Amiga's OS. > > > >What "same thing" were they trying to do? Implement an Amiga OS, perchance? > > No, actually it was a book from Compute Books called "3d Graphics programming > in C" or some such, don't have it handy since it's in storage. Oh, Compute books. That would explain it. I bet they didn't use Line-A or the GEM graphics functions. NOW FUCK OFF. > >> hmm are there any companies developing > >> 16 bit audio boards? > > Not from the mail i've been getting. Well, perhaps if you and the rest of the Amiga fundies would stop sending each other congratulatory email messages and read a few magazines, you'd know about AVR / 2 Bit Systems' 16-bit sampling units for the ST. Although if you want to make music, the Evolution EVS-1 would be much better with its FM synthesis and PCM rhythm sounds. Programmed from a Desk Accessory, by the way, so you don't need to quit from your sequencer. NOW FUCK OFF. > >Can you read industry-standard 1.44MB floppy disks on those? Either Mac or > >PC format? > > Yes, with the commodore drive. Well, at long last Commodore has made one good design decision when building a floppy disk system. About time. NOW FUCK OFF. > >> > Comparing an ST to an Amiga at purely CPU intensive things the Amiga can not > >> > be compared very favorably. > >> > >> Oh really? and i suppose that there are numerous 020,030,and 040 boards > >> available for the STe? > > > >I don't know about "numerous". At least one. > > At least one what? 020, 030, 040? i can buy an 040 board today that will > toast a NeXT. Running UNIX and NextStep? NOW FUCK OFF. > >Now go away and play in your little .advocacy newsgroup. > > If you didn't keep spouting bunk i would. In case you haven't got the hint yet: GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS NEWSGROUP. YOU ARE NOT EVEN REMOTELY WELCOME. GO AWAY BEFORE YOU FIND YOURSELF INVOLVED IN A FLAMEWAR. Have a nice day. mathew -- << baby mother hospital scissors creature judgement butcher engineer >> ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 16:28:58 GMT From: mcrware!erik@uunet.uu.net (Erik Johnson) Subject: Atari Developer support disconnected? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul6.223405.7723@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner) writes: > >Hello everyone, > >Do any of you guys know why Gail Johnson's (Atari developer support) >phone was disconnected? Is this bad news, or is this connected with >the rumor that some Atari offices are being moved to the east coast? > >Jim > Are you sure her line is permanently disconnected? I just spoke to her on July 3rd. I imagine you called Atari on their Forth o' July 4-day weekend (just a guess). Erik R Johnson ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 16:15:00 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!fub!tmpmbx!opal!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbr od@uunet.uu.net (Claus Brod) Subject: Breaking links in a hard disk (ACSI) chain To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu scoile@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (elioC evetS) writes: >I've got two hard drives. The second I don't use very often, so don't normally >power it up when I boot the machine, but sometimes I end up needing it, and it >is SUCH a pain to have to REBOOT the entire system just to get one lousy HD >on-line. Anyone know if there's a way around that? Start your hard disk driver by double-clicking on it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 15:08:29 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tekgen!boblu@uunet.uu.net (Robert Luneski) Subject: Diamond Back II (w/Cache) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul2.113356.18382@netcom.COM> yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher Russell) writes: >Was the final version of Diamond Back II w/cache ever released? > >If so where did you get it? > >I believe I was waiting on version 2.2 or something. > >Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy) Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA >yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu Yes, Diamond Back II V2.25 is being distributed by Oregon Research Associates You can order it directly from us or obtain it from your local Atari dealer. ____ ____ /\/\/\ Bob Luneski Diamond Back II Support: boblu@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM /\/\/\ \/\/\/ Oregon Research Associates Genie: B.LUNESKI1 \/\/\/ \/\/ 16200 S.W. Pacific Hwy., Suite 162 Phone: (503) 620-4919 \/\/ \/ Tigard, OR 97224 FAX: (503) 639-6182 \/ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 12:54:45 GMT From: europa.asd.contel.com!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@uunet.uu.net (Mickey Boyd) Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu You may wish to try STeVIe 3.9 from atari.archive. It is another vi clone, and seems to work for me. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 21:27:36 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!fuug!sics.se!sics.se!ag@uunet.uu.net (Anders G|ransson) Subject: How to "unpack" and "decode"? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi! I recently bought an atari 1040 st. There were very little programs to go with it so now I've got the bright idea to get some nice programs from comp.binaries.atari or from some archive. However I don't know how to do that... I tried some code from comp.atari.binaries tonight with meager result. I am in a unix environment, I use emacs, I put the message from comp.atari.binaries in a buffer, kill all lines up to "tables" and save this in a file. Then I do 'uudecode foo'. This results in a message that each and every line has got the checksum wrong. Should some unpacking be done before uudecode? What I try to do is to change an "article" in comp.atari.binaries to a program that I can use on my atari! I imagined that I could change the article to executable (by the atari) binari-code using unix commands. Then I would dowmload the file with binari-code to my atari and try the program... This is stupid? Could someone direct me to some tutorial on how to do things like this? I need some step by step manual (obviously...). best regards Anders ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 22:40:40 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w isc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter) Subject: MEGA STE problems (Summarise) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I can confirm the problem of the bad sound/display chip in my MEGA STE. I orginally just thought it was the way it was suppose to be. Now that you describe in detail what I experience, lines on screen at 8Mhz, scratchy sound etc.. All I have to say, is...I AM NOT SURPRISED. Look, when you buy from Atari, you GET what you pay for. Like it or lump it. --Gregory ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The ONLY good use for an ATARI Machine is GAMES and MAC Software Emulation PERIOD. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 91 17:26 N From: Subject: MEGA STE problems - more victims To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Distribution-File: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, Regarding the problems detailed by Lars-Erik Osterud and others, I thought you might like to know that here in France we are also having trouble with the MEGA STE. Myself and two friends each bought one from our local dealer on the same day (the day he received his first batch of 8 machines). All three show the same problems that Lars-Erik observed - so it is not surprising that John Janssen saw the same thing on every machine in the shop he bought his at. It is obviously a faulty integrated circuit (the GSTSHIFTER). Since I do not want to invalidate my guarantee I don't intend to open up my machine to look at the number, but from what Lars-Erik said it looks like the reference number marked on the chip has been changed since the STE range was first introduced, but the chip's functionality has not ( since the old and new versions are interchangable). It is probable that the mask has been changed (different manufacturer?) and so a bug has crept in. I think we should try to get all the MEGA STE owners to check their machines and if it has problems to complain to Atari. Perhaps it would be interesting first of all to get victims to stand up and be counted on the net. By the way I see my video shifting when I boot OS-9/ST V2.4 which I received last week from Microware France (the port was in fact done Germany by Dr Teil DatenTechnik). Happy campaigning, Paul. ----------------- Paul A. Dagleish, I.L.L. -------------------------- snail: Institut Laue-Langevin, 156x, F-38042 GRENOBLE, France email: DAGLEISH@FRILL.BITNET phone: (33).76.20.70.65 -- telex: 320 621F -- fax: (33).76.48.39.06 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 22:47:15 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w isc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.edu!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter) Subject: Multitasking for ST (to sell) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I SERIOUSLY HOPE you people aren't SERIOUS about this Multi GEM BS. TRUST me you don't want to endorse Atari's delusional marketing any further. GEM isn't even a viable App platform environment anymore, for christ sakes, come to your senses and yell for a real operating system like UNIX and MOTIF/X Windows. GEM is a DOG with RABIES that should have been SHOT a long TIME AGO. --Greg ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 08:21:29 GMT From: hpl-opus!hpcc05!hpbbn!hpbbm!juel@hplabs.hp.com (#Juergen Letsch) Subject: NEED SM125 line transformer! URGENT! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A while ago i purchased an SM125 b/w monitor for only 150DM (about 85$, it was determined for use in UK), but w/o any warranty. As i connected it to my good old 1040, i realized that the missing warranty for this thing had a reason: Nothing appeared on the screeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEN :-( :-( :-( After examining the monitor, i found the line transformer (i hope this is the right word; i mean the high voltage transf. for the CRT) defect. I contacted a few adresses i knew here in Germany and tried to get this essential part but had no success. :-( again Now my question/request/entreaty/prayer/supplication to you: - Does anybody know where i can get this transformer? It's really urgent!!! - What does this thing cost??? - Can anybody provide adresses of MAIL orders which sell this thing??? - Could anybody possibly be so kind and purchase this thing and send it to me to Germany???? PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanx Juergen _____________________________________________________________________________ | _____ ______ | | | / / /\ /\ \ \ | Address: Hewlett-Packard GmbH | | / / / \ / \ \ \ | Herrenberger Strasse 110 | | ----- / \/ \ \ \ | Attn to: Juergen Letsch | | / / / \ \ \ | D-7030 Boeblingen | | _/___ / / \ _\____\ | Germany | | | Phone: {49|0}-7031-14-3551 | | Boeblingen Medical Division | | | CAE Computer Aided Engineering | E-mail: juel@hpbbms1.bbn.hp.com | | PSI Processes & Systems Integration | HP-DESK: JUERGEN_LETSCH%AZ@HP1200 | |_____________________________________|_____________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 21:29:16 GMT From: TRANSARC.COM!Bill_von_Hagen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Subject: PageStream VS Calmus To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I don't want to start a war, so I'd appreciate hearing directly from users of either of these programs with their opinions on how reasonable these programs are. I have to document some ST software I've written, and I'd like to use one of these to do it. I've used programs like FrameMaker, PageMaker, Ventura Pujblisher, etc. How do these compare??? I need to do things like the following: 1) Import text and auto-insert pages as necessary 2) Auto-number figures, tables, etc. 3) Create Table of Contents, Index, etc. 4) Import, clip, and change palette of graphics in formats like degas. I'd appreciate any info anyone could provide. Thanks! Bill (wvh@transarc.com) ****************************************************** Senior Technical Writer, Transarc Corporation Home Phone: 412-687-4839 Work Phone: x4482 ****************************************************** "Unfortunately, troff continues to be the only publishing system distributed with bare UNIX, hence it is still used by the unsuspecting." Libes/Ressler "Life With UNIX" ****************************************************** So the Dali Lama goes up to a hot dog vendor and says "Make me one with everything"... ****************************************************** char std_dislaimer = "This has nothing to do with Transarc"; ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 17:36:37 GMT From: ckb@athena.mit.edu (Christopher K. Brown) Subject: Portfolio in T2 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Atari Corp. is even thanked in the Credits!!!! Wow. /**************************************************************/ /* Chris K. Brown G Massacusetts Institute of Technology */ /* AA AA AA I -------->ckb@athena.mit.edu<-------- */ /* AA AA AA A Bull HN Worldwide Information Systems */ /* AA AA AA N ---->brown@granite.ma30.bull.com<---- */ /* AA AA AA T __There__Can__Be__Only__One!_- Connor */ /* AA AA AA S Life is like a game of Chess......... */ /* Zeta Psi(PA) ! Oh, Wait.... No it isnt. Forget it. */ /* Disclaimer: I represent only myself, not those with me. */ /**************************************************************/ ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 20:51:46 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh .edu!rcte2p@arizona.edu (Paul S. Sears) Subject: Portfolio in Terminator 2? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu jbunch@isis.UUCP (John Bunch) presents in article <1991Jul7.125336.26862@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> > >I saw credits for Atari Games, but not for Atari Computers... But it >sure did look an awful lot like a portfolio... Coolness... > >John. > I wish I had a copy of the program the kid ran on the Portfolio to break the codes in the ATM's. Of course, it was staged, but the opportunities are endless.... :-) > >-- >John B Bunch * I don't want the world, I just want your >771 Madison Ave Apt.2e. * half.... -TMG >Albany, NY 12208 * >jbunch@isis.cs.du.edu * -- * Paul Sears * Technology *** |"The greater an individual's power * The University of Houston *** | over others, the greater the evil that * RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu * * * | might possibly originate with him." * RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD) ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 17:17:48 GMT From: athena.arc.nasa.gov!glennd@icarus.riacs.edu (Glenn Deardorff - GDP) Subject: Quick ST v. 3 - When? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know if (or when) Quick ST v.3 is supposed to be out? I thought it was supposed to be in June or July. I sent in my $15 upgrade fee, but haven't heard anything from them. Thanks. - Glenn ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 22:28:30 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!revpk@arizona.edu (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) Subject: Really dumb question about the 68000 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu If I were to replace the 68000 chip in my ST with a 68030, would that speed the machine up? Or would there be any arcane system calls to watch out for? ====================================================================== Brian Siano, aka [ "Mr. A. Hitler, the old Nazi thing, says [ Mickey's silly. Imagine that! Well, Mickey is Rev. Philosopher-King [ going to save Mr. A. Hitler from drowning or [ something some day. Just wait and see if he revpk@cellar.UUCP [ doesn't. Then won't Mr. A. Hitler be ashamed!" [ -- Walt Disney, 1933. ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 13:32:29 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!umich!wsu-cs!jake!naj@arizona.edu (Nathaniel A. Johnson) Subject: Team Yankee To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I heard about Team Yankee in Current Notes about two months ago but I haven't seen any mail order sites with the game? Anybody got it? Where'd you get it? ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 16:56:52 GMT From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ab016@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Scotty Meredith) Subject: Two Questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu 1. Could someone send me the MidiMaze II doc in english? 2. Will a MegaFile 30 run on a first production run STe? ( The One With The DMA Problems. ) Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 13:00:27 GMT From: europa.asd.contel.com!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@uunet.uu.net (Mickey Boyd) Subject: Unix Windows.... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul1.160730.4841@netcom.COM>, yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher Russell) writes: >I read a message not too long ago that meantioned a UNIX windowing >interface called Unix Windows that would run on the ST. I was >very interested so I ftp'd it over from atari.archive. > >My problem: it don't work :-) > > The way UW works is the following (given that everything ftp'ed ok): 1. Run win.prg. You should be presented with one window. 2. Dial in from this window, using the ATDT command. 3. Log into your Unix system, and fire up the server binary. 4. At this point, you can create new windows with the drop down menu entries. One problem may be that the config file (a text file in there somewhere) defines what size/font the first window is. If these settings have been tampered with, the program may blow up. Send me email if you still have problems, and I will sit down and refresh my memory on the details. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 8 Jul 91 13:09:52 GMT From: europa.asd.contel.com!gatech!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@uunet.uu.net (Mickey Boyd) Subject: UW To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul3.001811.11138@oz.plymouth.edu>, pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu (Technoid) writes: >Help, > > Maybe I have this whole thing wrong. UW sounds great, but I thought it >was for the ST. Does is require GCR to emulate a MAC to use this program? >I finally know where it is, but I guess I can't use it. > > UW for the ST was ported from the Mac, so many of the doc files refer to the Mac. Win.prg (or uw.prg if you are using the euro version) will run on your ST. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************