Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 4 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 373 Today's Topics: 1040 Monochrome ST and ICD harddrive for sale 1040 ST system for sale 68881? Ancient Germanic Atari Conference guests and topic ideas wanted Atari Dealers bug or virus ? Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files Elvis unusable on german keyboard Hardware Upgrading Questions Looking for a ST(HD) MEGA STE problems (Summarise) MINIX on an Atari TT? Patch for ZZ-COM available thru anonymous FTP STalker/STeno v3.0? (2 msgs) This week's program (2 msgs) What's a STE anyway? ZPCAD - where?? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jul 91 12:20:41 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!udel!sbcs.sunysb.edu!usenet@arizona.edu (Lean L. Loh) Subject: 1040 Monochrome ST and ICD harddrive for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The following is for sale: Atari 1040 ST with SM124 monochrome monitor. (both bought in summer 86) asking: $225 ICD 30 meg FAST hard-disk drive. (bought in 88 or 89.) asking: $250 software included: Personal Pascal, C compilers. WordUp, TurboST, G+Plus, PublishingPartner/PageStream LaTeX, DVI previewer, Metafont generator. Gulam, Beckmeyer Micro Csh Uniterm, UW. and a many more. Preferably, all units are picked up from my apartment. :-) The ICD harddrive did stop spinning once. I called up ICD; they instructed that I opened the casing, and give the spindle a spin manually, and everything will be fine. I did just that and everything has been fine since then. ICD said that that's a known problem with the Seagate drive, but that the solution is fairly simple (giving it a manual spin). Interested call (718) 448-7263 and leave a message if i'm not in. I'm in the NY metropolitan area. ..LeAn -- if you can dream it, you can do it ... CSNET:lean@sbcs.csnet go sleep ARPA:lean@sbcs.sunysb.edu UUCP:{allegra, hocsd, philabs, ogcvax}!sbcs!lean ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 07:21:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!c lark!pro-haven.cts.com!bandersnatch@arizona.edu (Kevin Raley) Subject: 1040 ST system for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In-Reply-To: message from Unknown Could you send a software list to me...I might be interested in purchasing all of it.... ---- ProLine: bandersnatch@pro-haven Kevin Raley Internet: bandersnatch@pro-haven.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-haven!bandersnatch ARPA: crash!pro-haven!bandersnatch@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 22:26:45 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think .com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!world!azog@arizona.edu (azog-thoth) Subject: 68881? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This has probably been asked before... Is there a way to add a 68881/82 to an ST? Hardware-wise. I relize that software-wise, theres probably not a whole helluva lot of software written to take advantage of an 81/82. But I think it would be a fun hardware hack anyways :-) BTW: I have an STfm, but am considering upgrading to a Mega STe... +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Billy D'Augustine | Close your eyes, what do you see? Dreams in | | azog@world.std.com | rhyme with reality. - Fates Warning | +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 00:51:18 GMT From: lll-winken!aunro!atha!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net (Jim Omura) Subject: Ancient Germanic To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is there anyone with an Atari ST who has studied ancient Germanic languages? I need the opinion of someone who can read and write. In particular, someone who studied the original "oetts" rather than the later styles. -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 06:54:54 GMT From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa338@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Mark Leair) Subject: Atari Conference guests and topic ideas wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The Atari S.I.G. on the Cleveland Freenet wishes to plan some special Atari Conferences for its local irc Atari conference on Sundays at 8pm EDT, on channel +AtariCon (Freenet local irc). Ideas for topics and guests are welcome! Dealers, producers, and developers are also encouraged! What a great way to promote that up-coming products or service with an online interaction with Atari Users. For more information please send e-mail to myself at aa338@po.CWRU.edu. In the meantime, check out the Atari SIG on Freenet. Available by internet at "Freenet-in-c.cwru.edu". Type "Go Atari" to get to the SIG. -- ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 07:29:42 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net Subject: Atari Dealers To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Keith Mullins asks: >Being a new Atari owner, I do not know the locations of >the Atari dealers in the USA. Does anyone have a list of places >where I can purchase Atari software, preferably in New England Sorry Keith, but Atari Corp has systematically killed off its US dealer network.. If you're interested in specific products like NeoDesk, it'd probably be better to contact the manufacturers directly, or check the advertisements in Atari magazines for mail-order sources.. BobR ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 13:22:57 GMT From: mcsun!unido!uniol!Frank.Moehle@uunet.uu.net (Frank Moehle) Subject: bug or virus ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi everybody. The sun is shining hot in germany, an I have the following problem: I am using an ST with 2.5 MB, TOS1.4, Seagate ST157N with an ICD- hostadapter and a lot of stuff on it. I have been using my harddisk for a very long time now, but recently my ST started behaving strage : I can boot from my HD, open windows and so on. But sometimes, after leaving a program, IT happens : I return to desktop with NO open windows (I had some opened berfore entering the program). As I try to open a window, the alart-box "4 Windows already open, please close winsdows before opening new ones" (roughly translated) apears. WHY ???? When I select "close.." or "close window" from the menue bar, my ST starts playing "dead man". Did I catch a virus (if so : how can I get rid of it) or is this just a strage GEMDOS bug?????? please help me, Frank -- ============================================================================ Nick : Lateman | I may be late, Real : Frank Moehle, Oldenburg, West Germany | but I'm worth Inhouse : faramir!moesel | waiting for. EARN/BITNET: 025881@DOLUNI1 UUCP: moehle@uniol +----------------- DOMAIN : Frank.Moehle@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de ------------------------------>Fascinating.<-------------------------------- In an infinite space there can be no rain, because there is no UP for it to fall DOWN from. (hitchhiker) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 22:51:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!udel!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu!dmb@arizona.edu (David M. Baggett) Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul03.063410.16919@vpnet.chi.il.us> orc@vpnet.chi.il.us (david parsons) writes: >|Elvis? I've tried Levee too, and would use it except for the 32K file >|limit. (Is there a more recent version of levee without the 32K >|restriction?) > > Nope. I'm working, at somewhat less than the speed of continental >drift, on it. It's the sort of thing that requires a lot of mental >energy, and thus is too much for me at my advanced age... > >.david parsons __ >orc@pell.uucp(?) \/ Is the figure "32K" a constant that you could tweak up to, say, "256K"? That would be fine for most purposes (at least for me). Granted that would increase memory requirements for editing small files (I assume), but I could live with that. Levee was my favorite for quite some time. It's fast and seems quite robust. Dave Baggett dmb@wam.umd.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 15:48:02 GMT From: mcsun!unido!gypsy!sievert@uunet.uu.net (Karsten Sievert) Subject: Elvis unusable on german keyboard To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi! Some friends of mine would like to use Elvis like me - but there is a nasty problem: You can't do that using a german keyboard. All -keys generate ... key sequences. But on our keyboard all the special "UNIX" characters like [,],{,},\ and so on are shift-alt-combinations. You shure can map them in INPUT-mode, but what about the command line? I am using a software mapped american kb, which brings new problems with other programs. My idea is this: Any key, which reports a valid ASCII char should be accepted as souch. Only if there is no valid char, it's a good idea to manage the keys this way. Would it be easy to add this feature an conquer a hole new continent? ;-) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 14:14:32 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!ox-prg!oxuniv!ameij@uunet.uu.net Subject: Hardware Upgrading Questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Dear Chums, Three questions about hardware... 1) I want to fit a hard disk to my Mega 2 ST. Has anyone any experience of internal ones? I think the box is dead neat, and would prefer not to add another. 2) Does anyone know the status of the putative Atari-UK DMA port transputer add on box? There were strong rumours about it around 8 months ago, but since I have heard nothing. 3) I may want lots more numerical bang. Would I be better to buy a TT (I imagine I would need the maths coprocessor, if that's an option) or an ATW? Can anyone let me know how much an ATW is in Britain these days? Jan Ameij ameij @ uk.ac.oxford.vax PS _Particularly_ re question 3 - Please please please don't tell me I need an IBM/Amiga/Mac something instead. I shall consider all the options. I am here to request info on Atari products... ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 01:31:53 GMT From: bu.edu!m2c!jjmhome!jjmhome.UUCP@uunet.uu.net (Tad J. Hunt) Subject: Looking for a ST(HD) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu WANTED: hard drive (for an Atari 1040STf), any size, any speed, CHEAP! also needed is a host adapter to run it. Prefered is a SCSI drive and an ICD host adapter with appropriate software to run the drive. Please mail all reasonable offers to: hunt%jjmhome.uucp@m2c.m2c.org or harvard.edu!jjmhome!hunt or hunt@jjmhome.m2c.org or hunt@control.com (not preferred) ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 12:39:43 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!alp!johnj@uunet.uu.net (John Janssen) Subject: MEGA STE problems (Summarise) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello again, I'm back on the net. Our project moved to another location, which did cut us from the world for about a Month. (I have a new email address; see signature). My last mail to the net were some questions about my MEGA STE, I bought just then. I promissed to summarise, so here it is. The original postings included two questions about booting from hard disk and some tests of ST applications running on the MEGA STE. Man I never have got so many responses from the net. Thanks all of you. I have tried to thank everyone individually by email, but I could not check for bounced mail (as we were cut off, you know). 1. The first problem was that DEGAS messes up the screen, when you switch from menupage to drawpage. (I mean the good old DEGAS, not DEGAS ELITE which I didnot test). The symptom: After a few switchings, the right side of the screen (about 1 cm/ 0.5 inch) becomes visible on the left side of the screen which is annoying. You have to re-boot the system to get rid of it. I got the following mail from Lars-Erik >Exacly the same problem I had.... >I know of LOTS of examples of MEGA STE's with this bad chips that causes the >monochrome diplay to wrap when you change screen adresse and causes static in >the DMA sound, but Atari Corp won't confirm this and tell me that this is >only a problem with my machine (but you are the 4th one I've heard about). >Replace the chip with a chip from an old STE (not the same number so you need >the print-layouts for both MEGA STE and STE to do this, the chip is called >GSTSHIFTER and has to do with both video and sound in the STE machines..) >I would again like a comment on this from Atari Corp. You can't just ignore >this problem that applies to a great number og MEGA STE's !!!!!??? I am however not sure that this is the case, as I went to my local dealer and tested all the MEGA STEs available. They all had the same symptoms. Atari in the Netherlands (=Atari Benelux) reacted as follows: 1. Problem not know. 2. Hardware for screens in 1040STE is identical to MEGA STE, so there can be no differences between them. 3. Problem must lie in the sofware itself, as TOS 2.05 is new. They recommended another drawing package. So, that's it. 2. The floppy drive light stays on after booting, when there is no floppy in it at boot-time. I got a lot of responses, telling me that this is 'normal'. I can (have to-) accept this, but I find it a little bit strange that this light is much more brighter than the power led. 3. It takes ages to boot from harddisk. Even when an empty formatted diskette is in the floppy drive. Even this seems to be 'normal' for a MEGA STE. I got some mail telling me that if I just press a key, the actual loading from hard disk starts earlier. Even after trying, it did not work out for me. Thanks to some people, I found out that you should wait with pressing a key or moving the mouse until the hard disk spinns normally. And it turned out to be that this was my problem, as I only have a small desk, and I have to reposition the mouse everytime I want to switch on the system. It works ok when I take care to not touch the mouse and keyboard immediately after switching on. OK, that was all. Thanks again to everybody who responded (or tried to). -- John Janssen Email: johnj@echo.philips.nl (has been changed!) The Netherlands Work: +31 40 756588 Atari Mega STE, MIDI, C-lab Notator and Unitor. Priv: +31 77 513177 Astro -Birth/Place/Date/Time you > you.doc ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 09:53:03 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!phigate!philce!nlvs31!meulenbr@uunet.uu.net (Frans Meulenbroeks) Subject: MINIX on an Atari TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu) writes: >In article mathew@mantis.co.uk writes: >>Has anyone tried running ST MINIX on a TT? Does it work? Anyone know of >>any plans for a TT MINIX? >A few people had modified theirs to run with 68020s, so I'd imagine half the >work has already been done. Apparently the processor-specific changes are >minimal. The next problem is how to utilize the new TT peripherals and such. As I stated before in comp.os.minix, I intend to do a TT port. The problem is that I'm still waiting for the delivery of the TT. It seems they ran out of keyboards. The changes to get things running are not that big. However, in order to utilize the TT hardware fully, one would also abandon shadowing. This is more work. And finally I want to support some of the new TT peripherals. That is: the real time clock, the scsi port and the additional rs232 ports. I don't think this will be available from Prentice Hall before 1992. I intend to post a beta test version to comp.os.minix before though. -- Frans Meulenbroeks (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl) Centre for Software Technology ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 14:35:53 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: Patch for ZZ-COM available thru anonymous FTP To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I do not know if anyone has the ZZ-COM communications program outside of France, or maybe even Europe, but the author, indirectly, has asked that his patch to ZZ-COM to make it run on Mega STe's be made available through anonymous ftp. So I had it placed on laas.laas.fr in the directory -rw-r--r-- 1 ralph 759 Jul 1 10:58 zz_patch.prg -rw-r--r-- 1 ralph 2133 Jul 1 12:16 zz_patch.txt Cheers, -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU Phone: (+33-)61-33-62-66 FAX-1: (+33-)61-33-64-55 FAX-2: (+33-)61-55-35-77 =============================================================================== Got a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| Do I *really* want a TT? ; ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 03:12:32 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory @arizona.edu Subject: STalker/STeno v3.0? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Stalker 3.0 is not out yet. Eric is still fine tuning it and adding little whistles. He's on GEnie at least every couple of days, you'll hear about it as soon as its released, right here. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 13:50:24 GMT From: aurs01!whitcomb@uunet.uu.net (Jonathan Whitcomb) Subject: STalker/STeno v3.0? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul2.113557.18479@netcom.COM> yonder@netcom.COM (Christopher Russell) writes: >Was version 3 of STalker/STeno ever released? Anybody know of a mail-order >house where I can get it? This version was to support z-modem background >and scripts. Thanks.... Last I heard Gribnif Software had gotten ahold of the distribution rights and had turned STalker and STeno into separate packages, and is charging (I think) $15 to upgrade each to V3.0. Of course, I bought the two as a single package for about 18 bucks, and if Gribnif thinks I'm gonna shell out 30 bucks to upgrade, they are out of their minds... especially when there are far better telecom packages available PD. I've heard Gribnif usually has outrageous upgrade fees... one of the reasons I steer clear of their products. Speaking of telecom software, has anyone tried out Stealth? They really toot their own horns in the ads, but I haven't heard any real feedback on the program. I'd need a pretty convincing argument to change from Uniterm (for VT100 emulation) and Dterm (for general bbs usage). Flash is a good tool for beginners, but I didn't find STalker useful at all. ********************************************************************** Jonathan Whitcomb UUCP: Alcatel Network Systems, Raleigh, NC GEnie: J.WHITCOMB3 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 07:07:26 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_Retelle@uunet.uu.net Subject: This week's program To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Comments about "DC Homey".. I dunno... suppose you're in a completely "BrainDead" application that doesn't process mouse input properly..? (I can think of a zillion examples... you forget to put a disk in A: and the program just freaks out... you get a dialogue box that wants you to "Abort or Continue" with the default set to Continue.. and naturally the mouse pointer is disabled... what'cha gonna do..?) Hit ALT CTL LSHIFT H and the mouse is returned to a known starting position.. even without the pointer being displayed, you can at least hit the Cancel button a whole lot more easily than just clicking at random.. So it's obscure... would everyone rather have Double Click developing on the Mac instead..? BobR ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 15:35:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!uace0@ arizona.edu (Michael B. Vederman) Subject: This week's program To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Bob - That is an excellent example of why we write these "useful ditties"- IMHO. The actual purpose was brought about by the dimming display of our Stacy and the ease of losing the mouse cursor. It's very frustrating to try to find the cursor with the trackball especially in graphic laiden programs... So, off the top of my head I thought of a "homing" program that would put the cursor in a specific position on the screen- the result Yet Another Program of the Week DC Homey. What the users end up doing with one of our programs is up to them obviously, even -sadly- file 13. ;) We (Double Click) have a very ambitious undertaking upon us. It isn't a burden but a labor of trying to boost the Atari market and heighten our public recognition. We had hoped that others (developers and hobbiest) would follow suit and start to "rejuvinate" the user market.... Whether or not this actually happens only time will tell I guess. - keith gerdes (Double Click Software) PS - We like the constructive critcism that others have been giving about our programs. You can be assured that we take them into conderation each and every week. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jul 91 23:30:29 GMT From: ifi.uio.no!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: What's a STE anyway? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu My MEGA STE has only one fan (no special fan for the harddisk) But that one fan sure make a lot of noise :-( Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________ Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST __________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jul 91 10:21:33 MEZ From: Michael Burschik Subject: ZPCAD - where?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Can anyone tell me where to ftp ZPCAD? Cheers. Mike. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jul 91 16:32 -0100 From: guest@vms.mpiib-freiburg.mpg.dbp.de To: