Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 2 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 369 Today's Topics: 3.5" Drive woes... 68000 socket adapter Amiga is better then [sic] what??? Amiga is better then what??? Atari 520 ST system forsale DOUBLE DOUBLE Version 2.01 (takes 32K less RAM !!) Electrohome ECM1311 and ST Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files (2 msgs) High Rez Cards? How to install Multi-sync monitor onto Atari STe? J, version 3.2, for the Atari ST MINIX on an Atari TT? More uw questions STE mono screen 600X800? Unix Windows Explanations what Atari DOES have Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Jul 91 12:13:33 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!boingo.med.jhu.edu!jhunix!d_alvear@ames.arpa (Dom Alvear) Subject: 3.5" Drive woes... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu HELP! I just hooked up a Mitsumi 1.44MB drive to my ST. Now, if haven't fixed the controller yet to format 1.44MB's, but that isn't the problem. It seems that my ST thinks both Drive A and B exist even though I only have one drive! What ever do I do to fix this? Also, I've gotten bombs when trying to delete stuff on a write protected disk. I think something is afoot! The drive works otherwise. Please help me. Dom P.S. Has anybody seen or heard of a program that'll let you selectively turn on or off Drive B? i.e. you forgot to turn on Drive B and powerup, so you need to let the ST know it exists, or you are having problems with Drive B so you want the ST to think it isn't there. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 14:43:55 GMT From: noao!ncar!hsdndev!dartvax!mars.caps.maine.edu!nic!kira!news@arizona.edu (Robert B. Pegram) Subject: 68000 socket adapter To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu From article <1991Jun30.013322.26556@jato.jpl.nasa.gov>, by hyc@hanauma.jpl.nasa.gov (Howard Chu): > > Howdy - could someone please remind me where to get an adapter for fitting > a standard DIP 68000 into the socket in an STe? (Not a Mega STe, if it matters.) > > Also, a while ago, someone mentioned seeing a board for sale that adapted a > 68020+FPU to run in a 68000 socket. I contacted the company, and found that > they make accelerators for Amigas. The 68020 product uses a 12MHz 020 running > off the standard system clock (e.g., 8MHz in ST) and an FPU running as fast as > you want, up to 50MHz. > > I didn't get a price on this item... However, they sell other models of > accelerators - I've ordered a 25MHz 68030 for $600, to test in my STe. > It would be great if I could run it at 16 or 32MHz, but I guess I'm just > going to see if it runs at 8 first. Should be interesting. > -- > -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA > Disclaimer: How would I know, I just got here! Keep us posted Howard, I at least, am very interested (he said, thinking of putting his 1.62 STe in a tower case). Oh yeah, don't you have a tower? What did you get to keep the FCC off your back? thanks, Bob Pegram pegram@{sadye,kira,griffin,newton}.uvm.edu or !uvm-gen!pegram ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 01:17:42 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mwowm!mathew@uunet.uu.net (Million Headed Monster) Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <1991Jun28.110906.13772@agora.rain.com>, Barton writes: > In an article Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org (Rod Fulk) writes: > > Of course the amiga does multitask but I have very little use for > > multitasking.. > > That's what many people say, until they try Amiga multitasking. at which point they say "FUCK!!! That's the fourth time the frigging heap of junk has crashed in the last half hour!" mathew [ Ex Amiga user ] -- << baby mother hospital scissors creature judgement butcher engineer >> ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 01:17:42 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mwowm!mathew@uunet.uu.net (Million Headed Monster) Subject: Amiga is better then what??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <5266@orbit.cts.com>, Erik Funkenbusch writes: > Rod.Fulk@f24.n228.z1.FidoNet.Org (Rod Fulk) writes: > > A 1040 Ste compares VERY favorably to an amiga 500. The ONLY thing the amiga > > 500 has over the atari is the fact that the atari can not do as many colors > > on the screen at the same time... > > Really? this is the ONLY feature? Since when does the STe have 25 DMA > channles? Doing what? > since when does the STe have a graphics co-processor capable of > running concurently with the CPU? Since it was launched? > since when does the STe have Multi-tasking? Since I decided to run a multi-tasking OS on it? > > However there is a 24bit card available for $800 with a coprocessor of some > > sort for really good graphics... > > just one? i can buy 3 or 4 24 bit graphics devices for the 500 for under > $500.00. Wow! That's $125 each. Pretty good. But what do you want three or four graphics cards for? Wouldn't that use up all the expansion slots? > > An Ste with tos 1.6 and blitter performs pretty well... > > *IF* any software uses that blitter. very little does. All ST software which uses the OS graphics routines will be speeded up by the blitter. Many programs which *don't* use the OS have blitter support as well, since ST blitters have been around since 1987. > > Compared to an Amiga 500 the amiga only has a slight edge over the Atari.. > > (Note: for the price no other computer even comes close... ) > > Really? does the STe cost less than $500.00? I don't know about the US, but in the UK the STe is cheaper than the A500. > I have a book that attempts to > do the same thing on an Amiga and an ST, and they had to supply a whole bunch > of routines that had to be written from scratch to match what they used in the > Amiga's OS. What "same thing" were they trying to do? Implement an Amiga OS, perchance? > hmm are there any companies developing > 16 bit audio boards? What do you mean "developing"? They're already on the market. > There are 2 of them. the Applied Engineering 1.56 meg High Density, and the > Commodore 1.76 meg High Density. Can you read industry-standard 1.44MB floppy disks on those? Either Mac or PC format? > > Comparing an ST to an Amiga at purely CPU intensive things the Amiga can not > > be compared very favorably. > > Oh really? and i suppose that there are numerous 020,030,and 040 boards > available for the STe? I don't know about "numerous". At least one. Now go away and play in your little .advocacy newsgroup. mathew -- << baby mother hospital scissors creature judgement butcher engineer >> ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 16:53:37 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!utkcs2!hydra3b.cs.utk.edu!gathings@arizona.edu (Golando Gathings) Subject: Atari 520 ST system forsale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have the following system for sale : Atari 520 ST with, external drive, mono monitor, TOS and various software. asking $300 , O.B.O (price includes shipping ). Thanks Golando ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 03:31:48 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!hanauma.jpl .nasa.gov!hyc@arizona.edu (Howard Chu) Subject: DOUBLE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Alright, what's the secret? This is really neat! Unfortunately it's not the most readable on my SC1224. I tried my fractint code and uniterm on it, I was pleasantly surprised to see that both work. However, I think you might want to consider giving the full 640x400 screen to TOS programs, and use the 16 line font by default. (Just like mono mode, eh?) Mebbe things like Gulam will work with the expanded screen size. (Tho, come to think of it, I doubt it. So few programs are written to be resolution independent, sigh.) At a guess, I'd say this thing must tweak the video base address during horizontal blank intervals, to skip one scan line. But how do you delay the vertical sync by one-half a scan line to draw the alternate field? Hm... Looking on a TV, I still see black lines between pixel rows. I guess there isn't a sync delay in there, is there. Oh well. Looks kind of like one of those freeware mono emulators for color screens. Well, I still think it's neat. I'm gonna mail a check right away for this one. Thanks. Geeze. Can't wait to try it in monchrome. Uniterm with a 100 row screen. I love it! -- -- Howard Chu @ Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA Disclaimer: How would I know, I just got here! ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 21:14:12 GMT From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: DOUBLE Version 2.01 (takes 32K less RAM !!) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Double Screen-Heigh emulator for STE, MEGA STE (and TT ??) VERSION 2 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """"""""" WHY A NEW VERSION ? Well, the old version allocated 64000 bytes for the new screen in low memory. But the old screen still took up the 32000 bytes in high memory and that was a big waste (especially for those with 520 and 1040 machines). Instead of allocating 64000 new bytes for the new screen version 2 expands the old screen by 32000 bytes (moving the top of memory down) and then saves 32000 bytes !!! Version 2 takes up totally 32522 bytes including the resident code and should be the smallest big-screen emulator available for the STE. Why does this program only work om STE and not on standard ST ???? """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Both the display modes uses new hardware registers on the STE to make the code small. The interlace emulation could not be made on the ST without moving the whole screen all the time and taking up all the CPU-time. On the STE it takes a few instructions each VBL. Read this before you install DOUBLE2.PRG in your AUTO-folder """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" To install DOUBLE2.PRG just put it in your auto-folder as early as possible (and be sure it's before Quick-ST etc). If you have any programs that allocates reset-resident memory by moving the screen (like Harlekins RESETMEM) you MUST put DOUBLE2.PRG after those !!! If you use Harlekin you MUST use RESETMEM.PRG first in AUTO-folder. When the computer boots DOUBLE2.PRG will NOT install itself unless you are holding down one of the SHIFT keys. If installed in mono it will emulate a 640 x 800 screen (double height) and if installed in color (desktop.inf must be medium res) a 640 x 400 screen. RIGHT-SHIFT while booting --> Up/Down scrolling emulator """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" When you move the mouse close to the top or bottom of the visible screen area the screen will scroll down or up to display more of the screen. Think of your monitor screen as a window showing a part of the whole area. In this mode text-based program (TOS etc) will still use only the upper half of the screen (the normal area) as this worked best with the programs I tested. Most GEM based programs will use the whole screen (I made it for use with Calamus DTP and Timeworks DTP). LEFT-SHIFT while booting --> Interlaced screen display """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" This will double the number of lines WITHOUT having to scroll the screen by condensing the screen display. This mode will flicker some (users of color monitors or TV should use 60 Hz) but you might get a better result by adjusting the contrast (yes, it looks like an Amiga). In this mode both TOS and GEM-programs will use the whole screen area. Please Support my ShareWare and Public Domain developement """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Send 100 NKr (equals $15, DM25, 10 pounds, 30 guilders) by cheque or to norwegian postgiro account 0537 6846174 (see your local post office for a transfer card, "Service des cheques postaux, Avis de versement VP1"). Payable to: Lars-Erik 0sterud, 0kriveien 39, N-1349 Rykkinn, Norway. If you have any problem, ideas, bug-reports, wishes etc contact me !! """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Lars-Erik 0sterud E-mail: larserio@ifi.uio.no (usenet) Okriveien 39 Call me at: +47 2 13 15 71 (voice phone) N-1349 Rykkinn or ABK-BBS: +47 2 13 26 59 (300-9600 bps) Norway ____ ______ _____________________________________ /___ / The norwegian ST Contact us ____/ / Klubben, user association at ABK-BBS ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 14:07:21 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!monck@uunet.uu.net (Paul Monckton) Subject: Electrohome ECM1311 and ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, I have seen (in the UK) the Electrohome ECM11311 multisync monitor for sale at a price of 149UKP. Can anyone tell me anything about this monitor, and especially if it will work in all three ST graphics modes. I'm also thinking of getting an NEC 3D but this Electrohome monitor offer is *much* cheaper, so I'd like to go for it if someone can tell me it will work. Thanks, Paul -- Automatic Disclaimer: The views expressed above are those of the author alone and may not represent the views of the IBM PC User Group. -- "I'm minuspeptic, frasmotic, compunctuous even, to have caused you such pericombobulation" .. Black Adder ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 08:10:28 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth) Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <2252@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes: >In <1991Jul1.153900.9920@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) >writes: >>I've been using Elvis (a vi clone) for quite some time now, but just >>recently discovered that the version I have (from atari.archive) >>sometimes inserts newlines at seemingly random points in large files. >>Since most of the work I do is on source code with < 32K source >>modules, I never noticed the problem until now. > >I've noticed this too on large files. I'd be VERY interested in a fix. Solution: Just stop using a vi clone and use a real editor like Emacs. It's got 4096 colours, a BLiTTER, multitasks ... hell I've had 20 requests today! :-) >warwick@cs.uq.oz.au +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own ! ! ! ! Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs ! ! Dept. of Computer Science ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk ! ! Heriot-Watt University UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil ! ! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK "I laughed until I stopped" ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 17:57:19 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.e du!linac!unixhub!stanford.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!ns!ns!logajan@arizona.edu (John Logajan) Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes: >I've been using Elvis (a vi clone) for quite some time now, but just >recently discovered that the version I have (from atari.archive) >sometimes inserts newlines at seemingly random points in large files. I saw this problem too, and so I stopped using Elvis. A new version was just posted a few weeks ago, but I haven't tried it yet to see if it had the same bug. -- - John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 - logajan@ns.network.com, 612-424-4888, Fax 612-424-2853 ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 14:47:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!dhbutler%magnus.a cs.ohio-state.edu@arizona.edu (David H Butler) Subject: High Rez Cards? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is my first time up on this system, so I hope this gets through fine (without multiple copies etc., such as I often see). I am a proud general partner in the company High Resolution Desktop Publishing, in Columbus Ohio. I run the company (I'm the creative end, and my partner is the business end) off a Mega4 with ADSPEED (which is great), the GCR (which is also great), and Calamus/outline art. The Mad Axeman Press is another Atari based (using Pagestream) Desktop publishing company here is Columbus! So, the Atari is actually being used for professional applications! (kinda nice huh?) My main question is: What type of color cards can I get for the ST. I know very little about this area despite doing lots of research. Even RIO DATEL does not know any of the Tech. specs for the cards that they will supposedly have by the end of the summer. I am looking for a (voice) phone # that I could call, and an address I could write to in order to get some info on these devices. I don't mind ordering through CANADA if I have to, or even further if I know the product will be compatible with U.S. scan rates. I have an 800*600 multisynch (get the swithc from IB Computers, it is nicer by far than the one from TALON), and I would like a Calamus compatible color card for the full 16million colors (256 on screen is acceptable of course, but more would be nice). I would prefer one that would work with my monitor, but would consider switching if necessary. ANY INFO AT ALL WOULD BE APPRECIATED. My second question is: Overscan, I have it installed, but the incompatibilities are numerous. I have heard of a product called AUTOSWITCH OVERSCAN, which I would like to get. Seeing as networking is not my boat, I would like an address or tele# to call to get this product. And third: Get a life you guys who argue continously about which computer is best, hell, I like all of them, they are all great for different things, and all the main systems (amiga, atari, mac, ibm) are pretty much competent all around systems. If the human race can't even stop bickering over which computer to use (yea, you are arguing over a hunk of silicone and a few wires), how the hell can we agree on anything that actually matters at all! ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 04:40:24 GMT From: hpcc05!hpdmd48!ritchie@hplabs.hp.com (David Ritchie) Subject: How to install Multi-sync monitor onto Atari STe? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu > >The Panasync C1391C (which is the model described by the spec sheet here on >the desk) meets all the requirements EXCEPT one . . . you guessed it, the >last one (Frequency Band width isn't listed on the spec sheet, but Video >Band width is (30Mhz), so I'm assuming they're referring to the same thing). > >Is this really a big deal? Does anyone out there have one of these working >with an ST(e)? Enquiring minds want to know . . . > I have a C1391 on my PC run 1024 x 768 with no problems. I suspect it will work just fine with my ST when I get the cable made..... -- Dave Ritchie ritchie@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 16:25:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!m aytag!watmath!watserv1!ljdickey@arizona.edu (Leroy J. Dickey) Subject: J, version 3.2, for the Atari ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu J, version 3.2, and other APL Software at Waterloo Version 3.2 of J, is now available on the file server watserv1.UWaterloo.CA [ 129.97.129.140 ] watserv1.Waterloo.edu [ 129.97.129.140 ] at the University of Waterloo. In the directory "languages/apl/j", anonymous ftp users may find J for these systems: 3b1 mips next pc sgi (irix) st (atari_st) sun3 sun4 (sparc) vax (vax_bsd, ultrix) Earlier releases of J are available for certain other systems: sun386i mac An index showing all APL files is available as "languages/apl/index". Other dialects of APL, such as Sharp APL, I-APL, and "ratapl" are available. Three APL fonts may be obtained. (1) APL2745, a postscript line font (2) An X-Windows font (3) A TeX font. Currently, this service is being provided on an experimental basis, and there are no promises that it will continue on a long term basis, nor is there any warantee of serviceability or completeness of the software distributed from watserv1. It is hoped that eventually there will be a mail server for the same range of software to those who have e-mail access but no ftp access, but a userid for this mail service has not been announced yet. In the meantime, BITNET users who do not have ftp may find the service "BITFTP at PUCC" helpfull. For example this mail message (with no leading blanks) To: bitftp@pucc.bitnet FTP watserv1.waterloo.edu UUENCODE USER anonymous CD languages/apl BINARY GET index QUIT was successful in acquiring the index. Similar messages could result in receiving the various pieces of software. Once you have the index, you may see the name of some other file you want. For such a file, determine the directory path (``dp'') and the file name (``fn''). One example you will have already done: the file "languages/apl/index" splits up as: dp languages/apl fn index As another example, if you want the file "languages/apl/j/pc/j_pc_32.arc", you would use the directory path and the file name: dp languages/apl/j/pc fn j_pc_32.arc Prepare a little file to be a mail message to pucc: (As before, no lines of the file have no leading blanks.) To: bitftp@pucc.bitnet FTP watserv1.waterloo.edu UUENCODE USER anonymous CD dp BINARY GET fn QUIT Of course, in the above, you replace "dp" by the appropriate directory path, and you replace "fn" by the file name. Use your local e-mail to send the file off. If all goes as intended, when PUCC gets your mail message, it does the "ftp" session for you, using the commands you have supplied. It wraps the file up in a "uuencode" package, and mails it to you. When you get the file, you may have to combine several files together, remove superflous blank and mail header lines, and uudecode the file. -- Prof L.J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1 Internet: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ..!uunet!watmath!ljdickey X.400: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 01:17:42 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mwowm!mathew@uunet.uu.net (Million Headed Monster) Subject: MINIX on an Atari TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Has anyone tried running ST MINIX on a TT? Does it work? Anyone know of any plans for a TT MINIX? mathew -- << baby mother hospital scissors creature judgement butcher engineer >> ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 04:14:33 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett) Subject: More uw questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, if not vt100, is it possible to get the keypad out of numeric mode and into a function key mode in the adm31 emulation rather than putting the control codes in the function keys at the top? ************************************************************************* * J.J. * Internet: JJL101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU * Penn State * * * * Center for * * John Lehett * Bitnet: JJL101@PSUVM * Academic Computing * ************************************************************************* * Atari ST's!, Puzzles, Cryptos, Games, Diplomacy, Synths + Midi * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 15:55:11 GMT From: bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!selick@uunet.uu.net (Steven Selick) Subject: STE mono screen 600X800? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A previous post told ov a program to double the height of an SM124 with an STE. Where is this program available? later, Steve ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 18:09:08 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive !psuvax1!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett) Subject: Unix Windows Explanations To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu It has been brought to my attention that a more thourough explanation of the previous post on Unix Windows should be given. This week I decided to give UW a shot, and when I booted it up and read what docs there were, it seemed that this could be a VERY handy little program. Allowing my to connect to a couple of different Unix boxes, and even a 3090 mainframe all at one over a 2400 baud modem without much reduction in speed. (Quick screen updates and the like). I compile UW on the unix side without a hitch or any modifications (which I must say shocked me :) and then switched emulation mode to adm31 on the unix side. UW ran fine as long as I stayed on unix machines. When I tried to go to a ibm 3090 vm system from the unix box via tn3270 , I encountered problems. In the map3270 file it lists a adm31 entry with pf key control codes, however the keybad does not send these codes out (at least I could not get them to). I then started putting these pf and other control code keys into the definable function keys on the st side of uw, and then tn3270 worked fine. However I would much prefer to have the keypad react in a pfkey style, and which is why I was wondering about vt100 in uw. But since vt100 seems to be impossible to get in UW, I am now looking for a way to get the keypad into a non-numeric mode. Is this possible? Has anyone taken a look at the source to this program? Does it appear difficult to add a vt100 mode to the terminal? hope this clears up some of the questions about my questions :) ************************************************************************* * J.J. * Internet: JJL101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU * Penn State * * * * Center for * * John Lehett * Bitnet: JJL101@PSUVM * Academic Computing * ************************************************************************* * Atari ST's!, Puzzles, Cryptos, Games, Diplomacy, Synths + Midi * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 17:38:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu Subject: what Atari DOES have To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have an ST and a TT. Both of these can use something the Mac, the PC and the Amiga cannot - the Atari SLM605 laser. For DTP, nothing can rival the speed of output and the number of applications that make use of that speed like Atari DTP packages. ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************