Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 2 Jul 91 Volume 91 : Issue 367 Today's Topics: Amiga is better then [sic] what??? (2 msgs) Any software that prints in color? Be careful about INP?(#device) Canon Bubble Jet printer/driver Cold Hard Cache -- help.. DOUBLE Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files GENLOCK source Help needed with floppy upgrade... More Unix Windows stuff (2 msgs) Music Hard- & Software for Sale NeXT panther TT monitors; spec. Seiko Unwanted Amiga Input (2 msgs) What's the best database for the ST ? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Jul 91 08:50:44 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com!ucsd!nosc!baron!ryptyde!da nt@arizona.edu (Daniel Tracy) Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Responding to the following: > As to sound? Well The ST is the only one so far that has the capability of 3d > sound. The STe series computers have the capability of using 3 seperate > speakers with different sounds out of each.... 2 of those full 8 bit digital.. The Macintosh will do 4. Each of those 8-bit, 44KHz sampled. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 02:56:43 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!cun ixf.cc.columbia.edu!cunixb.cc.columbia.edu!es1@arizona.edu (Ethan Solomita) Subject: Amiga is better then [sic] what??? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <136@ryptyde.UUCP> dant@ryptyde.UUCP (Daniel Tracy) writes: >Responding to the following: > >> As to sound? Well The ST is the only one so far that has the capability of 3d >> sound. The STe series computers have the capability of using 3 seperate >> speakers with different sounds out of each.... 2 of those full 8 bit digital.. >The Macintosh will do 4. Each of those 8-bit, 44KHz sampled. The Mac only has 22KHz, 8-bit channels. I'm sure you can buy better systems, but 22 is the limit. -- Ethan FF buckets of bits on the bus, FF buckets of bits. Take one down, Short it to ground, FE buckets of bits on the bus. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 22:52:48 GMT From: ads.com!pdel@ames.arpa (Peter Delevoryas) Subject: Any software that prints in color? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu My local Atari dealer said he knows of no software with output to a color printer such as a citizen GSX140 which has a color ribbon. Is this true, or does anyone know something he doesn't? thanks for any help, Peter D. -- login name: L1-A In real life: Peter Delevoryas In any other life: a cheap imitation ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 JUL 91 10:11 N From: "OUT, OUT - YOU'LL NOT FEEL THE FALL-O..." Subject: Be careful about INP?(#device) To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu > >>Does anyone know if GFA Basic will allow [timeouts]? Apparently not; >>so far my programs hang on the INP if there is no more input. >> >Check if there's anything waiting for you with INP?(#channel). >It'll return a TRUE if there is, a FALSE if there ain't. > I agree, you should use INP?(#nchannel). But there are cases when this might not work. In example, suppose you are trying to read from the MIDI IN port a stream of bytes. At a certain point the buffer becomes full and the transmit- ter stops sending data. I don't know why, but this usually causes an "idle" state to the conputer, and sometimes you have to reset it and start again. The main point is that you usually want to test the presence of data, but you really do not know when a device stop sending them, and so all could get stuck in the middle of it. Best Wishes, Marco Olivotto olivotto@itncisca.bitnet olivotto@itnvax.cineca.it ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 01:02:31 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!buny ip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!marshall@arizona.edu (Marshall Harris (G.M.)) Subject: Canon Bubble Jet printer/driver To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun28.172752.12134@wpi.WPI.EDU> douglas@wpi.WPI.EDU (Douglas C White) writes: > A friend of mine wants to sell me his Canon >model BJ-10E Bubble jet printer...... >could not find the right printer driver to use it > Doug White I recently bought one. If you can find an IBM Proprinter driver, that's fine. Also, any Canon BubbleJet driver - need not be BJ10-e. At worst, you can use any EpsonFX driver too. It's a great little printer. ****************************************************************************** || Marshall Harris Internet/CSnet: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au || Dept.of Computer Science JANET: marshall%cs.uq.oz.au@uk.ac.ukc || University of Queensland EAN: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au || St Lucia, Queensland 4072 Bitnet:marshall%cs.uq.oz.au@uunet.uu.net || Australia UUCP: uunet!munnari!cs.uq.oz.au!marshall || ph: +61 7 365 2908 JUNET: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au || fax: +61 7 365 1999 ****************************************************************************** "If you want to make god laugh, show him your plans" Woody Allen ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 03:14:14 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!netcomsv!yonder@arizona.edu (Christopher Russell) Subject: Cold Hard Cache -- help.. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have heard that Cold Hard Cache is supposed to be one of the better Cache programs. Isn't it true that it is the basis for Diamond Cache? Anyays, the docs in the version (3.5) that I have say it may not work with partitions larger than 16M -- it says that it is untested. It looks like maybe the author put that note in there for an earlier version and then left it in the docs for 'history' purposes, but I am not sure. Is anybody using CHC on >16M partitions. Can somebody suggest another cache program? .........thanks......... -- Christopher L. Russell (yonderboy) Phone: (408)378-9078 Campbell,CA yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com or chrisr@leland.stanford.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 21:39:46 GMT From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: DOUBLE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Please forget about the 4 bigscreen emulatores posted yesterday There is nothing wrong with them, but since they are so equal I decided to build everything into one small and neat program !!! PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS PROGRAM ONLY WORK WITH STE or NEWER !!!!! Double Screen-Heigh emualtors for STE, MEGA STE (and TT ??) """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" To install DOUBLE.PRG just put it in your auto-folder as early as possible (and be sure it's before Quick-ST etc). When the computer boots DOUBLE.PRG will NOT install itself unless you are holding down one of the SHIFT keys. If installed in mono it will emulate a 640 x 800 screen (double height) and if installed in color (desktop.inf must be medium res) a 640 x 400 screen. Text based program (TOS etc) will still use only the upper half of the screen (the normal area) as this worked best with the programs I tested. Most GEM based programs will use the whole screen (I made it for use with Calamus DTP and Timeworks DTP, but many many more programs can use it...) RIGHT-SHIFT while booting --> Up/Down scrolling emulator """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" When you move the mouse close to the top or bottom of the visible screen area the screen will scroll down or up to display more of the screen. Think of the monitor screen as a window showing a part of the whole area. LEFT-SHIFT while booting --> Interlaced screen display """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" This will double the number of lines WITHOUT having to scroll the screen by condensing the screen display. This mode will flicker some (users of color monitors or TV should use 60 Hz) but you might get a better result by adjusting brightness and contrast (yes, it looks like an Amiga :-) Please Support ShareWare and Public Domain developement """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Send 100 NKr (equals $15, DM25, 10 pounds, 30 guilders) by cheque or to norwegian postgiro account 0537 6846174 (see your local post office for a transfer card, "Service des cheques postaux, Avis de versement VP1"). Payable to: Lars-Erik 0sterud, 0kriveien 39, N-1349 Rykkinn, Norway. If you have any problem, ideas, bug-reports, wishes etc contact me !! """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Lars-Erik 0sterud E-mail: larserio@ifi.uio.no (usenet) Okriveien 39 Call me at: +47 2 13 15 71 (voice phone) N-1349 Rykkinn or ABK-BBS: +47 2 13 26 59 (300-9600 bps) Norway ____ ______ _____________________________________ /___ / The norwegian ST Contact us ____/ / Klubben, user association at ABK-BBS ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 23:02:19 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@uunet.uu.net (Warwick Allison) Subject: Elvis Inserts Newlines in my Files To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <1991Jul1.153900.9920@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes: >I've been using Elvis (a vi clone) for quite some time now, but just >recently discovered that the version I have (from atari.archive) >sometimes inserts newlines at seemingly random points in large files. >Since most of the work I do is on source code with < 32K source >modules, I never noticed the problem until now. I've noticed this too on large files. I'd be VERY interested in a fix. Also, to make Elvis work under MiNT, I had to ensure files existed before I editted them (via a script) also, the ":n" didn't work. I used MiNT's excellent debugging trace option (AltF1 ?), and discovered that it is Elvis' fault - it does illegal things when openning files. Warwick. -- _-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au / * <-- Computer Science Department, \_.-._/ University of Queensland, v Brisbane, AUSTRALIA. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 23:37:02 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu Subject: GENLOCK source To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Would someone please post info on where I can get GENLOCK devices for the ST/TT. I want to get into DT video and do not know where to look for information. Are there publications that I can get? ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 20:22:45 GMT From: noao!ncar!asuvax!ukma!aunro!alberta!herald.usask.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!umhagma1@a rizona.edu (Dr. Phrancinstyne) Subject: Help needed with floppy upgrade... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello all. I need some help with my upgrade to a 720K drive. I currently have a 520 STfm which I have upgraded to 1 Meg, but it still has the old 360K (Single Sided) drive, which is quite flakey. I have been told that I can use just about any 3.5" drive in place of the old one merely by swapping the cables. Is this true? I have already tried this and it does not work for me. Am I missing something? I would greatly appreciate any help in this area since I have not seen anything recently pertaining to a floppy upgrade in comp.sys.atari.st. Please send email to UMHAGMA1@CCU.UMANITOBA.CA. Thanks much. Brett. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 23:35:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!psuvax 1!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett) Subject: More Unix Windows stuff To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I just recently got uw up and running fine, however, I was wondering is there any way at all to get this prog to do other than adm3 emulation. It looks very useful, but I would REALLy need to use it in vt100 or similiar mode. Anyone have ANY ideas about this at all? ************************************************************************* * J.J. * Internet: JJL101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU * Penn State * * * * Center for * * John Lehett * Bitnet: JJL101@PSUVM * Academic Computing * ************************************************************************* * Atari ST's!, Puzzles, Cryptos, Games, Diplomacy, Synths + Midi * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 02:38:21 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!uq cspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison) Subject: More Unix Windows stuff To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In <91182.193556JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu> JJL101@psuvm.psu.edu (J.J. Lehett) writes: > I just recently got uw up and running fine, however, I was wondering >is there any way at all to get this prog to do other than adm3 emulation. >It looks very useful, but I would REALLy need to use it in vt100 or >similiar mode. Anyone have ANY ideas about this at all? UW emulates an adm31 terminal. Terminal features such as variable-size, etc. are probably the main considerations. (vt-100 is fixed to 80x24 ??) Warwick. -- _-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au / * <-- Computer Science Department, \_.-._/ University of Queensland, v Brisbane, AUSTRALIA. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 00:40:55 GMT From: athena.arc.nasa.gov!glennd@icarus.riacs.edu (Glenn Deardorff - GDP) Subject: Music Hard- & Software for Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm summer cleaning, & I'd like to sell the following: * Tascam M-06 mixer: 6-input mixer (with both line and mic inputs) voltage meter (1 for each of 2 output channels) 2-band EQ 2 headphone jacks; 1 headphone volume knob 1 effects send / stereo return per input channel control of: trim, EQ, pan, effects send, volume $125 * Digitech DSP-128 effects unit: upgraded to DSP-128 plus, to allow 4 simultaneous effects many kinds of reverb, delay, EQ. etc. 20 - 12KHz bandwidth $150 * Casio CZ101 synthesizer: 4-voice, phase distortion synth 8-segment envelopes for pitch, amplitude, and "filter" 4-part multitimbral mode (where each part is monophonic) literally thousands of sounds in Atari ST format $100 * Interval Music's K1II ed/lib great Kawai K1II ed/lib for Atari ST (any version TOS) includes automatic patch creation and mutation includes over 12 banks of sounds for K1 (I don't recall the exact number) $50 * Hybrid Arts' CZ-Android CZ ed/lib for Atari ST (TOS 1.0) includes automatic patch creation and mutation $30 All of these puppies have sat in one place in my home studio and are 3 years old or less. Glenn Deardorff E-mail: glennd@athena.arc.nasa.gov Home #: (408) 425-0699 Work #: (415) 604-3169 ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 22:27:10 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!doug.cae.wisc.e du!carter@arizona.edu (Gregory Carter) Subject: NeXT To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu If you people really want to argue and lose about a great machine, lets argue about the relative cost/performance merits of Atari TT's and the NeXT Station currently reviewed in BYTE Mag. Looks Like NeXT has got the phrase "Power without the price." Down to a surface mount science. I own an Atari, Christ I right a lot of software for the machine, PD and personally I think the machine is something from 1985. Atari is caught in the same old stone age architecture as InTEL's 486 chip. Even if you where to argue that the current architecture targets a specific HOME market, it STILL costs too much! Atari missed the boat, they should have made an entirely NEW modular machine. Soon as I get the money, my MEGA STE is going to sit and either run MAC software or my BBS software. I am going to buy a real machine, and its going to be a 040 UNIX platform. --Gregory ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Computer Aided Engineering Center | Student consulting " You can ask, but hey, I just work here, I don't know all that much! " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Better sig a commin soon...) ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jun 91 17:58:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!jjung@arizona.edu (Robert Jung) Subject: panther To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun30.121617.867@crash.cts.com> chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com (Chuck Schul) writes: >what happened to the atari panther ? Depending on which rumor mill you subscribe to, it's either been cancelled, or renamed the "Jaguar", a 32-bit 68030 system ("Atari introduces the world's first 32-bit game system!") that's backwards compatable (so the currently- developed Panther software will run) but offers more features. Notice that both rumors are not mutually exclusive... --R.J. B-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ # ## # Send replies to jjung@nunki.usc.edu # ## # ## ## ## I wrote this. If you've got a comment, give #### ## #### it to me and let's cut out the middleman. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 06:03:46 GMT From: europa.asd.contel.com!wlbr!lonex.radc.af.mil!blackbird.afit.af.mil!dsacg3.dsac. dla.mil!desc.dla.mil!wright!desire.wright.edu!cse0507@uunet.uu.net Subject: TT monitors; spec. Seiko To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, I'll be getting a TT in a few weeks (:-), and I still have time to think about the monitor. A friend showed me his Seiko 1445 for the Mac, and that is one *top-notch* display (albeit 640x480). I've been looking at specs for the Seiko 1450 (the *BM version), and it's 1024x768 non-i'lace. About the same price, too. I am seriously considering 24 bit cards, and my basic frame of reference is graphics work (render, model, etc...). Please deluge me with opinions on monitors. Info on 24-bit cards that are shipping in the North American (pref. US) market *right now* would be helpful. General TT messages are ok to send to me. Bob The (nosig) Schulze try --> cse0507@desire.wright.edu <-- but I doubt it. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 16:24:52 GMT From: uupsi!sunic!ugle.unit.no!mack.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!borgen@nyu.arpa (Boerge Noest) Subject: Unwanted Amiga Input To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jul1.141138.7331@athena.mit.edu> ckb@athena.mit.edu (Christopher K. Brown) writes: > Yeah. Right. Nice Amiga People. Why would anyone with an Amiga >EVER read this newsgroup. It makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. I don't even >know what the comp.sys.amiga.* newsgroups look like. They could come up 1. Who says it has to make sense? 2. Do you have an end-all be-all solution to what makes sense? 3. It makes rather much sense(IMNSHO). I think it is known as broadening your knowledge. It is also fun watching the 'competitors'; you should know your enemy before engaging battle(though I am getting a bit tired of all the flame-wars. Come over to c.s.amiga.advocacy if you fancy some fresh flaming). 4. It would however be out of line to discuss Ataris and Atari-stuff when you don't own an Atari yourself. That's why I've been reading this newsgroup for 2 years without you noticing. I'd even read the PC, MAC, and nExt groups if I had more time. -- |//// borgen@stud.cs.uit.no (Borge Nost) B2000 rev 4.1 \\\\| |/// ...and then there was AMIGA... \\\| |//___ studying at the worlds northernmost university (Tromsoe, Norway)____\\| |/ If you can't do it, fake it. \| ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 91 19:29:20 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Darling) Subject: Unwanted Amiga Input To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu chucks@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Erik Funkenbusch) writes: > Well the problem comes about that someone was posting an informative > message that Atari users took as a personal attack (insecurity?) and > they responded with tons of lies/misconceptions/propoganda/falsities > about the Amiga. > [...] we get Amigan's trying to correct the mis-information and it's > construed as a Computer war. When in reality, it's just some nice > Amiga people trying to prevent the spread of false information. To all who missed out, this started when a snivelling little shithead fuck named Thomas Hill posted a rambling Amiga boast with the intent of starting a flame war. The fact that he posted a message about it on an Amiga newsgroup shortly thereafter inviting people to "join in the fun" proves this. This Erik person apparently decided to "join in". There are others. Attempts to justify the original post are laughable. Hill claimed first that 10 people (and one day later, interestingly enough, 20 people) responded to his post seeking asylum in Amigaland. Yes, that's right, he claims that there are 20 people who have usenet access, and considered buying Amigas, but to whom it never occurred to go to one of the dozen Amiga newsgroups and ask questions. Frankly, it was fun flaming you weenies for a while. But now you've become rather tiresome. From now on this discussion will take place in YOUR newsgroup, not ours. Which is too bad, because most Amiga users I've met have been good folks. Well, you started it. You can have it back. ~ darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT v ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jul 91 02:50:16 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!tmpmbx!lime.in-berlin.de!techno@uunet.uu.net (Techno) Subject: What's the best database for the ST ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Database ? Well, the hottest stuff here in Germany is Phoenix by Application Systems Heidelberg (the Signum guys). Great GEM interface and phenomenal performance - I cann tell because they were so sure of themselves that they stuck a demo version on front of the TOS magazine. Check it out. By the way, I believe it was written by the Adimens programming team. Techno -- | techno@zelator.in-berlin.de ||| Please do not e-mail from outside Germany ! | | techno@lime.in-berlin.de / | \ Hardcore ST user ! ====================== | | Nothing that's real is ever for free, you just have to pay for it sometime. | | (Al Stewart) | ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************