Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 25 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 352 Today's Topics: 1.44 HD drives Atari-to-Amiga Convert Info Source! (4 msgs) Atari.Commodore.Stereo.Prices!? Emulation Hard-Disk Construction Summary Request Hard Disks Ian Lepore: e-mail address ? If you ignore Tom Hill, he will go away... New Life for Old Megas newsletter PC-Speed with Modem problem Printing Postscript files on a laserwriter III printer PS-Viewer available Purchase of Software from the UK. Source code for TeX version 3.1 for ST? sunmoon.lzh This week's program (2 msgs) Thomas Quester, where are you? Unix(tm) Windows What archiving format? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Jun 91 12:28:34 GMT From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: 1.44 HD drives To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A friend of mine had an adress to a german company that sells 16 MHz 1772's (they are the same as the standard 8 Mhz, but is checked and guaranteed by Western Digital to manage 16 MHz). Interessted ? Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________ Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST __________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 10:35:33 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!tuda!n143u@uunet.uu.net (Julian Coleman) Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu -- -- Julian Coleman < J.D.Coleman@newcastle.ac.uk > -- Department of Surveying, University of Newcastle upon Tyne -- Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, England. < +44 91 222 6739 > -- #include ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 15:20:49 GMT From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay) Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu |> |> And *you* don't have to wait 6 years to find it, like I did. |> -- |> Peter da Silva. `-_-' . |> 'U` "Have you hugged your wolf today?" You could go out and buy a Sun 3/50 - the used ones are running around $600-$700 range! Bob Malay ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 17:33:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!csn!boulder!h orton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY) Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun24.222634.30979@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> es1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: > The first point you make isn't a computer war, but a chip >war. The 040 is faster than the 486 at the same clock speed, I am trying to avoid any kind of war, this comp.sys.atari.st news is not for these types of postings. SOOOO after this posting please send all responses to the posting to me and not post it here. >(except under MS-DOS), but it is still close. The 040 25MHz does >appr. 18-22 MIPS depending on who you believe (I know how >meaningless that is, but we are talking all CISC chips, not RISC, >so isn't a terrible statistic). I believe the 486 is about 12. MFLOPS is a better measure than MIPS, the 68040 25 does about 3.5 MFLOPS, the i486-25 with Weitek 4167 does 10+ MFLOPS and the ranges of MIPS for the 486-25 is from 11 to 15 MIPS. > As to flicker, the A3000 comes with a flicker-fixer built >in. Commodore sells a board for just over $200 which will >deinterlace output on all 2000 machines. Both use standard IBM >VGA ports. There is a 3rd party deinterlacer for the 500 as well. I know the A3000 is a non flicker machine, but machines upto it isn't without the flicker fixer. I use to be an AMIGA crazy person so I know the kind of things that AMIGA can do, but it is not that great it pushed me back to using the ST. REMEMBER PLEASE RESPOND THIS POSTING BY MAIL. TO THE PEOPLE ON THIS NEWS, SORRY. chuj@horton.colorado.edu Jeff ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 91 15:14:38 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed u!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tredysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Darling) Subject: Atari-to-Amiga Convert Info Source! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu es1@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes: >In article darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling) writes: >ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: > >>> On the other hand, Amiga sales are higher than ever. >> >>Bzzzt! Commodore just posted its worst figures in 4 years. >> > I had NO intention of getting into this thread. I thought >I'd read it for the humor content. BUT, you are totally wrong, >and that shouldn't stand. Hmmm...Ethan, you're not the only person who didn't get the joke here. Put the statement back in its original context and read it again. Sorry so esoteric... /l ~ darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT v ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 11:13:46 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!ariel.unm.e du!triton.unm.edu!bluefire@arizona.edu (-=-Marc Bluefire-=-) Subject: Atari.Commodore.Stereo.Prices!? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm just curious as to how much YOU think these items are worth... Please e-mail me and let me know how much you'd pay for any of the following: Atari 130XE Atari 1050 disk drive Atari SX212 modem (1200 baud) Okidata Okimate 10 (color printer) w/ Commodore or Atari interface Commodore 128 (w/ RS232 interface) C= 1571 drive Magnavox RGB display 80 Sony XR500 car stereo (tape/AM/FM) Sherwood Graphic Equalizer Xq-1101 (with digital bands, surround sound, programmable, 7 bands) Coustic 120 watt Amp Jensen 300 watt Amp Thanks, Marc Bluefire bluefire@triton.unm.edu (208) 523-2715 138 7th St Apt #5 Idaho Falls, Id 83401 I apologize if you're seeing this for the second time, but it did not post on some of the groups I wanted last time.. -- M B Marc Bluefire [=] [=-=] [=] < bluefire@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP > | |=-=-| c |-=-=| | _|_|____|_~_|____|_|_ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 11:21:21 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!ariel.unm.edu!t riton.unm.edu!bluefire@arizona.edu (-=-Marc Bluefire-=-) Subject: Emulation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm curious how the 8bit emulator for the Atari Ste/TT systems works... like, how can you get the programs from the 8bit to the STe/TT to begin with? Do you need a 5 1/4" Disk drive for the STe/TT? Please, e-mail me and let me know! I'm considering buying a Mega STe/TT030, and then transfering my progams from my 130xe to the Mega.. I also have heard that a C=64/128 emulator is out for the STe/TT. Is this True? Also, how does the IBM 386 Emulator work? What percent compatable is it? Can it do VGA/Super VGA graphics? Does anyone out there have experience with this? I appreciate any help, as it will help me decide on the STe. Thanks, Marc Bluefire bluefire@triton.unm.edu -- M B Marc Bluefire [=] [=-=] [=] < bluefire@hydra.unm.edu.UUCP > | |=-=-| c |-=-=| | _|_|____|_~_|____|_|_ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 18:11:38 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!m.cs.u iuc.edu!flute.cs.uiuc.edu!totty@arizona.edu (Brian Totty) Subject: Hard-Disk Construction Summary Request To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am thinking again about building a hard drive for my ST. I have an ancient 10 MB Supradrive in a shoe box case. I was thinking about reusing the case & power supply & tossing a new drive in there. Can some kind people please send me infomation about any/all of the following questions: (1) What host adapters are available, where can I get them, how much do they cost, what are the differences? (2) What drives do people recommend? Where is a good source to purchase drives? (3) Where can I get the specification of the data output by the DMA port (what people refer to as ASCI I think)? (4) What kind of software would I need to write/obtain to make this work"? Any information would be greatly helpful. Is there a "Frequently Asked Questions" kind of wqrite up about building hard drives for the ST? --- Bri / Brian Totty o o /__ __ o Department of Computer Science o / / / / 1304 W. Springfield Ave \_/ "We have corn in /__/ / / Urbana, IL 61801 Massachusetts too!" totty@cs.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 15:39:57 GMT From: sae!malay@uunet.uu.net (Bob Malay) Subject: Hard Disks To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A while ago I posted a plea for information concerning hard disk drives. I am in the market for one and I'm interested in what is being used out there. Whats good, bad? Why? For example, is the Supra any good? Is it slow/fast/noisy? Forget about that Amiga crap - I need some honest help here! Bob Malay ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 11:14:24 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!turing!n1xxq@uunet.uu.net (L.B. Brown) Subject: Ian Lepore: e-mail address ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, I need to know Ian Lepore's (author of the Gemfast AES and VDI bindings) e-mail address so I can bring to his attention some small bugs I have found. I can't find one in the gemfast V1.5 documentation. Does he have an e-mail address? Does anyone know how to contact him? Any help would be most appreciated. Leigh. Leigh Brown. UK : L.B.Brown@uk.ac.newcastle World: L.B.Brown@newcastle.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 10:32:44 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!tuda!n143u@uunet.uu.net (Julian Coleman) Subject: If you ignore Tom Hill, he will go away... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu -- -- Julian Coleman < J.D.Coleman@newcastle.ac.uk > -- Department of Surveying, University of Newcastle upon Tyne -- Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, England. < +44 91 222 6739 > -- #include ------------------------------ Date: 25 JUN 91 09:31:33 CDT From: Z4648252 Subject: New Life for Old Megas To: Fred Saavedra writes: >I have tryed to sell the system, but I have had no real offers. >I guess no one likes the old MEGAs. With the new generation of STs coming out, the old Mega is sort of like the old maid, all dressed up and no where to go. It is going through the same stage as what the Mac II went through only a year ago. It was being replaced by sleaker, faster, and more versatile machines. Recently, new daughter boards have been made available for the Mac II's, making it just as fast, if not faster, than the Mac FX for a far cheaper price. Ok, the first generation Megas have the potential of a resurrection, just as the Mac II. Dave Small's SST, a 33 mhz real burster and memory expander, will first be introduced for the old generation Mega ST. Holding on to this platform, rather than selling it, could really net a person a blinding fast cruncher with 12 meg of memory. If I still wanted to sell it, I would really sell it mentioning the SST's need for it. The price would have to be about half of what it was bought for, expecially with more electronically powerful, though slotless, 1040STe's going for $400.00 and less. Larry Rymal | ATARI ST USERS OF EAST TEXAS |>>No Amigas here! Only the ST!!!<< ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 10:52:21 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!nikhefh!a15@uunet.uu.net (Peter Heymens Visser) Subject: newsletter To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The PORTABLE ADDICTION newsletter is a bit late, something went very wrong when a friend tried to post it. Issue 02 will appear within a week, after that issue we are going to start a mailinglist. For those of you who want to be on it can e-mail to the address below. a15@nikhefh.nikhef.nl Tjerk Heijmens Visser c/o Peter Heijmens Visser National Institute for Nuclear Physics and High Energy Physics ( NIKHEF-H ) Computer Department Postbox 41882 1009 DB Amsterdam - Netherlands. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1991 15:39:54 +0000 From: LUSSER@elde.epfl.ch Subject: PC-Speed with Modem problem To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Gruezi I am using an 520STfm with 2,5Mb and an PC-Speed version 1.5. My problem is, that every time I try to work with any comm.-soft in PC-mode my system just looks up. Have you any solutions to this problem ?? (programs that work,other solutions) Thanks Serge Serge Lusser |Tikky says www Internet: LUSSER@elde.epfl.ch | O|O Lausanne , Switzerland | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1991 16:03 N From: TENHAVE@KVI.NL Subject: Printing Postscript files on a laserwriter III printer To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does someone know how i can print my postscipt files?? The files are created with spectre 3.0. I want to print them on a laserwriter III printer with a postscript cardridge. This printer is only usable using ethernet. I have send my files to the printer but it has not print a thing yet... The postscript files are OK. Ron ten Have Email : Tenhave@kvi.nl ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 16:36:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!m.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!timot hyg@arizona.edu (Timothy Gallivan) Subject: PS-Viewer available To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun18.095243.17961@ira.uka.de>, S_DINGLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Florian Dingler) writes: |> Is there a POSTSCRIPT (TM) viewer for the ATARI(TM)-ST available ? |> |> |> S_DINGLER@irav1.ira.uka.de I have a postscript previewer written by Hauke Hess, who has given me permission to upload it to atari archive. It is based on the ghostscript epson driver, so it is a little large and a little slow. Other than that, it is quite nice. You can specify the resolution of the image and then scroll around it with the cursor keys. I hope to include something like it in the GS 2.2 (already released) or 2.3 (soon to be released) port to the ST. The program is called gsprev, and I will send it to atari.archive as soon as I get some time. Tim Gallivan timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue,25 Jun 91 09:34:56 BST From: D.Wade@sysd.salford.ac.uk Subject: Purchase of Software from the UK. To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Ho folks. Some one responded that US users should have no problems with software purchased from the UK. I can state that for some games programs at least this is not true. In a recent ST mag there was a letter from a US serviceman stationed in the UK who had brought his ST over with him. He had purchased some games locally and they would not run on his ST. I think this is to prevent US folks buying cheaper in the UK. He should also note that as with IBM PC's etc. the atari US keyboard has one key less that the international keyboards. I suppose the moral is to ask before you buy or specify on the order for use on a machine with a US TOS. Dave Wade ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 13:59:47 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!robin@uunet.uu.net (R C Smith) Subject: Source code for TeX version 3.1 for ST? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone out there have or know where there is the C source code for TeX 3.* Thanks Robin ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 18:07:40 GMT From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid) Subject: sunmoon.lzh To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A couple of weeks ago in ZNET, a file called SUNMOON.LZH was listed. Unfortunately I only remember the name, but I believe it is like the DEC desktop program which displays a sun or moon depending on time of day. I thought it would be on the net at atari.archive, but I haven't seen it. To save myself a call to GEnie, does anyone have it? Stephan Technoid -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves Salamanders Are Cool... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 08:50:45 GMT From: mcsun!unido!laura!tommy!klute@uunet.uu.net (Rainer Klute) Subject: This week's program To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun22.003927.19972@menudo.uh.edu>, uace0@menudo.uh.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) writes: |> If this is a bad idea, flame me... Done hereby. -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 16:14:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!ua ce0@arizona.edu (Michael B. Vederman) Subject: This week's program To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article bammi@acae127.cadence.com (Jwahar R. Bammi) writes: > >Actually, what would be infinitely more useful (to me anyways) would >be a short technical description of all the neat tricks you guys come >up with, how you did it etc, and maybe the source. >-- >-- We've been asked that before... We will perhaps release source code for some of the stuff, but we really aren't sure about it. As for neat tricks, some of it is voodoo programming, and I'm sure Atari will appreciate if we don't go spreading voodoo programming techniques. Altho, you can always ask us when you are intrigued. >bang: uunet!cadence!bammi jwahar r. bammi >domain: bammi@cadence.com >GEnie: J.Bammi >CIS: 71515,155 - mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 17:53:58 GMT From: o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!es2a+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Eric Stuyvesant) Subject: Thomas Quester, where are you? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm looking for a valid e-mail address for/to Herr Quester to send him a bug report. The ones included in the documentation to lzh11321 don't seem to work. Can anyone provide any suggestions? Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. Thanks in advance... -Eric Stuyvesant es2a+@andrew.cmu.edu || es2a%andrew@CMCCVB || JNET%"es2a%andrew@CMCCVB" al782@cleveland.Freenet.Edu || {uunet,harvard}!andrew.cmu.edu!es2a "To hate is to study, to study is to understand, to understand is to appreciate, to appreciate is to love." -John A. Wheeler Go MEMS! ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 15:01:44 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!att!att!cbnewsl!cbnewsm!w ao@arizona.edu (william.a.oswald) Subject: Unix(tm) Windows To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu OK, I downloaded uw.uue, uwbin.uue and uw.tar.Z. I built the server end of the program for my SUN using uw.tar.Z. How do I run the client end of the software?? If I run uw.prg I get two bombs, if I run win.prg I get a GEM screen of no practical use. What am I doing wrong. By the way I have a 1040st running tos1.4. Thanks in advance. Bill Oswald aloft!wao ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jun 91 08:48:33 GMT From: mcsun!unido!laura!tommy!klute@uunet.uu.net (Rainer Klute) Subject: What archiving format? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun21.152722.17873@newcastle.ac.uk>, D.B.Barratt@newcastle.ac.uk (Dave Barratt) writes: |> I'm a bit confused regarding the different formats available for |> archiving files e.g. arc, lharc, zoo etc. Is any one of these |> formats more efficient or reliable than the others, if so does |> this not make the others somewhat redundant? Is there any |> compatibility between the different formats? ARC: Fast, reliable and effective. Since version 6.02 arc can archive complete directories. Unfortunately it cannot store/extract dedicated files from a directory :-(. ZOO: Not as fast as arc but very reliable. The most flexible archiving system. You can put several versions of a file into an archive, associate comments with archive elements and much more. Reading the zoo manual is really worthwhile! Zoo archives need some more space than others. My favorite archiver for larger distributions with nested directories. I also use it to backup my program development directories because I can store several versions of the source files. LHARC: Slow and unreliable. It has become popular because it has the best compression factor. However, archiving and extracting is really slow. There are several not always compatible LHarc versions by different authors floating around. So if you don't have the right LHarc you might not be able to extract an archive at all. Just say NO. -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************