Info-Atari16 Digest Sun, 23 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 347 Today's Topics: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! (2 msgs) Atari-to-Amiga junk Expanding a Supra HD How is Atari doing in Europe? (2 msgs) lharc woes lharc woes (AGAIN, was Is musedt.lzh corrupted?) Mint and big screen modes.mf (was re: waits.mf?????) speller and Mac fonts Tom and Free-Net Commodore SIG What is wrong? How to fix? Word Perfect 5.1 Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Jun 91 01:27:02 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu (Thomas Hill) Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu First let me begin this message by paying Atari users a kind remark...Atari users are smart, much in the same way as Amiga owners. We have both choosen our machines based on the facts, and the facts are that IBM and Apple computers don't offer us power for the price. IBM is too controlled by dull and generic standards, and Apple almost has to sell machines at three times what they are worth in order to keep up their BMW-like image. We have choosen our machines because they were simply the best (one more so than the other :')) for the price. As of late, Atari has taken a sudden turn for the worse. The new machines didn't live up to their promise of having better features than their Amiga twin. Software vendors, shows, and even magazines are jumping ship as a result of the somewhat flat sales of the new machines. Even Atari's best feature, good MIDI software, is weakening as several of those authors port their software to the Amiga. Atari has gone deep into debt and not even a rumor of a totally new computer, if that rumor existed, looks to offer hope. On the other hand, Amiga sales are higher than ever. New prices, better outlet exposure, recent introduction of high quality professional software, new "media" hits (Toaster, CDTV, AmigaVision), recent introduction of leasing programs and onsight service that even IBM and Apple don't offer, all of this and more has resulted in a big year for Commodore. Sales are way up. Even the 3000 is sold out right now. The recent trade-up program, which will give you massive discounts if you already own a Commodore, has put the 3000 in reach for even lowly Vic-20 owners. The Amiga went well over 3 million units some months ago and, if sales continue at this pace, could go over 4.5 million by the end of this year. It is said that Commodore just experienced their most profitable quarter in history, and Commodore stock is higher than it has been in years. CDTV, which many predict to be the biggest electronics smash since "Nintendo", has received much press and will be advertised by Commodore in a big way this fall. As a result, the trickle of Atari users switching to the Amiga has (in my *limited* view) turned into a flood recently. Because of my exposure through messages here on Cleveland Free-Net, I have received several requests for information to smooth the conversion from the Atari to the Amiga. I do this as a service to fellow computer users. If you need any advice on file conversion, where to buy Amiga-related hardware for the best price, information on the Atari ST emulators out for the Amiga, or have any other questions related to the Atari-to-Amiga conversion process, please feel free to write me via Email. Please note: I'm not impressed by stupid remarks and swear words from those who still love their Atari. You have every right to stick with your choice. Please allow others to do what they feel is right. Tom Why purchase a MAC when an Amiga with the same CPU will run 99% of all __ MAC software..and FASTER at that?! The same can be said of the IBM and __/// Atari computers, and I can run those in a window. IBM's greatest sales \XX/ tool is ignorance on the consumer's part. IBM=(I)'ve (B)een (M)islead. A If you want to be popular then buy a MAC....If you want to be powerful M then buy an Amiga..and use all that money you save to buy friends. :') I Classic=B&W, no blitter, no DMA, almost no sound, almost no expansion, G price tag of $1000. Amiga 500=4096 colors, DMA galore, great sound, an A 86 pin expansion port, price tag of $500. Confused? Only the Amiga!!!! ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 91 14:01:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu (Thomas Hill) Subject: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes: >I have just read the message posted by Thomas Hill, SysOp of the Commodore >SIG on the Cleveland Free-Net. Nice to see you here on the Atari UseNet SIG, Len. I'm afraid you've once again made the mistake of calling me the Sysop of the Commodore SIG on the Cleveland Free-Net. Let's hope this is the last time I have to say this... I am not the System Operator of the Commodore SIG on Cleveland Free-net. >There is no proof that Atari is doing bad anywhere. There is no proof that >anyone is switching over to Amiga and if there are some, I am sure the same >amount are switching to the ST. Even some members of your SIG in very high "positions" have asked me details on switching to the Amiga. I was asked to not print their names, so I won't. Since your an avid reader of the "computer forum", you should know that I always complain that people make statements without any proof. I'm a big believer in facts, and putting your money where your mouth is. Much of the source material for these statements comes from your very SIG. Exactly what statements don't you agree with? I have source material for everything down to the Atari music authors switching to the Amiga. I like to think that I never make a remark without the facts to back it up. Please try to do the same. >Thomas Hill is famous for attempting to "scare" Atari users into becomming >Amiga users, especially on the Cleveland Free-Net. I should know, I am the >Atari SIG Manager on the Cleveland Free-Net. This statement is uncalled for. I never try to "scare" people into buying an Amiga. I present the facts and allow you to make up your own mind. Again, most of the information I post simply came right from the MAC or Atari SIG. I do "try" to inform people. I believe that most people buy a computer with no real knowledge of how it compares to other systems. This is what I am trying to change. >There is no proof and frankly, I believe Tom just made up information on the >new Atari computers being a flop because he doesn't really know and would like >to think so. I can even give you remarks from Atari users in this very SIG to support that statement. And I never make up information. To do that would be a turn from the facts. The facts our that the Atari sales are slowing. The initial sales flow of the new machines was mainly due to Atari users upgrading. >Many claim, especially developers that the TT030 will be easier to develop >quality software on the TT than the Amiga. I'd like to wait and find out. I'd love to hear your facts to support this statement. The Amiga is well known for it's excellent library of support routines. I've always heard people say that the Amiga is a dream to program on. Never heard it the other way around. >After all, the TT030 hasn't even made it to the U.S. yet! It is at least >one-year newer than the Amiga 3000 and I'm sure Atari had enough time to >examine that of its competitors to bring you- a superior machine. Being released a year after the 3000 has nothing to do with it being a newer machine. This just enforces Atari's rap of showing products long before they are ready. Remember the big discussion we had about the new Atari computers? You liked to call them "totally new computers", while I made the point that they are simply the old machines with minor upgrades here and there. They still didn't offer better special chip ability than what the Amiga already had. These are repackaged machines, not totally new ones. I wish Atari would have released a totally new line from the ground up. It would have made the market competitive again and it probably was the only thing that could have saved them. >The Mega STe will be selling for $1400 with 55 meg hard drive, 2 megs of RAM, >LAN, etc. at an Atari Dealer in my home town. This is an amazing price >and I definitely do not see failure there. Not a bad price, but not the best price either. >Atari has had trouble manufacturing enough computers to compete properly. I find the recent remark on this curious. Atari has had trouble selling computers. What makes you think fixing a plant problem will increase sales? >And don't worry about ST computer users switching to Amigas on Free-Net. >They would be switching a computer that is supported by a SIG with a great >amount of information to a computer with a SIG that only has "my computer >is better than yours" messages throughout it. Len, once again your not exactly right. Len had tried to make it sound like this discussion has gone on in the Commodore Amiga Forum on Free-Net. Not so. A new section was set aside, called "The Computer Forum", for all computer users to discuss and compare the powers of their systems. This is not an Amiga board, not a Commodore board, but a board for the discussion of all computers. Saying that the Amiga SIG does not support it's users is a remark based in no fact. I know your SIG supports it's users. Never said it didn't. If you'll kindly read over a small list below of titles found in the Amiga SIG then I think we can clear up this small misunderstanding... From the Amiga Forum... First message is #17, last message is #239 R 216. USENET REPOST: Videography Magazine On Amiga R 217. Hands-on Toaster impressions R 218. COMDEX IN CLEVELAND? R 219. How about a "Programmers' Forum?" R 220. AmigaUUCP R 221. How to find Maple? => R 222. USENET REPOST: CDTV AT CES R 223. USENET REPOST: Fushion 68040 Board R 224. USENET REPOST: Ad For CDTV R 225. USENET REPOST: AMAX Compatibility R 226. USENET REPOST: CDTV In InfoWorld R 227. USENET REPOST: CDTV Reactions R 228. USENET REPOST: CDTV Titles R 229. USENET REPOST: Comeau C++ Review R 230. USENET REPOST: More On InfoWorld And CDTV R 231. USENET REPOST: More CDTV News R 232. USENET REPOST: IEEE Spectrum Magazine On 3000UX R 233. USENET REPOST: Amiga Spotted On Home Show => R 234. USENET REPOST: CDTV Spotted On CNN R 235. USENET REPOST: USER GROUPS- DEMO CDTV OFFER! R 236. USENET REPOST: CDTV Upgrade News R 237. USENET REPOST: Commodore SemiConductor In News R 238. NOTICE TO NEW USERS OF THIS SIG!!! R 239. Prodigy From the Amiga Q & A Forum... R 24. Re: Amiga 500 as IBM compat. R 25. Re: bad sprites ?? R 26. Re: Amiga hard drives................ R 27. Re: IFF->MAC converter, anyone? R 28. Re: Amiga hard drives................ R 29. Re: Amiga 500 as IBM compat. => R 30. Fonts (Hebrew) R 31. Video Inteference R 32. A1000 keyboard R 33. Amiga 1000 & the printer port R 34. Software via FTP. R 35. Re: Software via FTP. R 36. Re: Amiga 1000 & the printer port R 37. New A3000 R 38. VT220 emulator R 39. Re: New A3000 R 40. Re: VT220 emulator R 41. Alegra Upgrade => R 42. Amiga Basic: suggestions wanted on how to learn it As you can see, no messages about "my computer being better than yours". In the computer forum there are a fair number of pro-Atari and IBM messages as well as Amiga messages. Tom ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 91 04:35:26 GMT From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Len Stys) Subject: Atari-to-Amiga junk To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have just read the message posted by Thomas Hill, SysOp of the Commodore SIG on the Cleveland Free-Net. There is no proof that Atari is doing bad anywhere. There is no proof that anyone is switching over to Amiga and if there are some, I am sure the same amount are switching to the ST. Thomas Hill is famous for attempting to "scare" Atari users into becomming Amiga users, especially on the Cleveland Free-Net. I should know, I am the Atari SIG Manager on the Cleveland Free-Net. There is no proof and frankly, I believe Tom just made up information on the new Atari computers being a flop because he doesn't really know and would like to think so. Many claim, especially developers that the TT030 will be easier to develop quality software on the TT than the Amiga. I'd like to wait and find out. After all, the TT030 hasn't even made it to the U.S. yet! It is at least one-year newer than the Amiga 3000 and I'm sure Atari had enough time to examine that of its competitors to bring you- a superior machine. The Mega STe will be selling for $1400 with 55 meg hard drive, 2 megs of RAM, LAN, etc. at an Atari Dealer in my home town. This is an amazing price and I definitely do not see failure there. Atari has had trouble manufacturing enough computers to compete properly. It is now over this problem with contracts with several new factories. Don't give up on your computer yet folks, because if you let messages like Tom's frighten you, Atari is doomed because of you not because of them. And don't worry about ST computer users switching to Amigas on Free-Net. They would be switching a computer that is supported by a SIG with a great amount of information to a computer with a SIG that only has "my computer is better than yours" messages throughout it. Len -- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 91 06:33:21 GMT From: arizona.edu!ivax.ccit.arizona.edu!i9853100@arizona.edu (CCITOPER000) Subject: Expanding a Supra HD To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a Supra 20 meg HD which uses a Rodime embedded SCSI mechanism. Can I upgrade to a higher capacity drive by just swapping out the mechanism? (I was thinking of using a Segate ST-157N 49 meg drive). Also, I have version 2.62 of the Supra software. Would this software be able to format the drive? Also, if there newer versions of the software, what are the differences? Using RATEHD.PRG, my current drive checks out at about 220 k/s and over 100 ms avg access (Very slow!). Would changing the drive mechanism speed this up? Help with any of these questions would really be appreciated. Thanks! Doug Tarico I9853100@ccit.arizona.edu ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jun 91 10:42:33 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de! fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus Brod) Subject: How is Atari doing in Europe? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu adamd@rhi.hi.is (Adam David) writes: >TOS has yet to be junked. In all seriousness Atari, why not have a REAL OS >in ROM and the option to load TOS and GEM from disk for backward compatibility? >There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the Atari hardware, though there are >certain limitations which I feel should not be imposed. TOS is usable. TOS is useful. TOS isn't more bug-ridden than other OS's. And personally, I think GEM is a real gem. It has all the potential to rival the MacOS. So don't junk TOS, Atari. Instead, give us MultiTOS soon. Besides, you can run lots of other OS's on the Atari NOW: OS/9, Minix, MacOS, QL OS, MS DOS, Mirage... just to name a few. And with the advent of Atari Unix we also have a full-featured SysV.4. Think about it. >The TOS ROMs are a joke though. (Does anyone know which compiler they used?). >I would guess 20% or more of the space in them is wasted because the C >compiler didn't optimise the code. There is plenty in need of revision. >It seems the same compiler has been used for all TOS versions up to at least >1.62. Even recent TOS versions have backward compatibility to features of CP/M >which have never been used on Atari ST/TT hardware products. Until very >recently there has been no support for HD floppies. The list goes on ...... The XBIOS floppy routines worked with HD drives from the day they were created, likewise for BIOS and GEMDOS. Now, isn't that a sign of thoughtful design? You might start picking on other design mistakes like the troublesome GEMDOS I/O redirection, but HD drive support is a very bad example. With machines speeding up considerably and speeders all over the place, the need for fine-tuning the ROM code diminishes. It's more important for Atari to have control over the various TOS development lines, and this is near to impossible to do with hand-optimized code. And the only reason why Atari does not use Turbo C officially (though developpers at Atari Sunnyvale are said to be allowed to use their favorite dev package) is that it is not available in the US - no English docs and such. With the Turbo C developpers falling off from Borland and starting with a new distributor, this situation may change soon. >If the hardware wasn't useable and some good quality application software >packages then I wouldn't have stuck with Atari. Despite their failings, >the equipment (with third party support) is still a fair cut above the rest. D'accord. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 91 11:35:47 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-ty o-news!toumon!wucc!ytsuji@arizona.edu (Y.Tsuji) Subject: How is Atari doing in Europe? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, this is going to be the most familiar talk about whether Atari has a future or not. I have my personal opinion but I had bette keep it to myself so as not to offend Atari zealots, particulary German enthusiasts. But let us remember on this day next year that there were people who believed in Atari's future. Cheers, Tsuji (a very, very disappointed person, particularly by ATARI UK's developers support scheme). ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 91 05:47:13 GMT From: mcsun!unido!horga!nathan!ue@uunet.uu.net (Udo Erdelhoff) Subject: lharc woes To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, what about giving STZip a try? Ok, it's still called a beta version, but it works, its faster than LHarc, and the compression rate is alomost the same as LHarc's... The actual version is 0.9beta... /s/ -- Udo Erdelhoff smart: ue@nathan.ruhr.de Am Westheck 170 Fido: Udo Erdelhoff on 2:245/52.1 W-4600 Dortmund 12 (FRG) Maus: Udo Erdelhoff @ DO Please keep your replies short - I have to pay for recieving mail ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 91 19:49:14 GMT From: cucstud!tfd!afp!gna!linn!Vincent.Pomey@uunet.uu.net (Vincent Pomey) Subject: lharc woes (AGAIN, was Is musedt.lzh corrupted?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In a message of <20 Jun 91 12:09:42>, dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave Gymer) writes: > My complaint with lharc is that's its's too damn slow. I still mainly You could try using STZip, it process zip files (compatible with PKZip on PC), is faster than LHArc 1.13.19, compress roughly the same (better on big text files, worse on very small files), and has a built-in GEM interface. Should appear in comp.binaries.atari.st soon. Vincent.Pomey@linn.fidonet.org or tfd.com!afp!gna!linn!vincent ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 91 08:55:32 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!funic!lahtinen@uunet.uu.net (Kimmo Lahtinen) Subject: Mint and big screen To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am using my Atari with a big screen (Matrix C32) and would like to use Mint and GEM together, but so far I have only succeced it in normal ST-resolution. For some reason the program GEM.PRG does not like the driver of the big screen. Does somebody has a solution? Otherwise Mint is working fine and also mgr is nice on 800x600 resolution. Kimmo lahtinen@gideon.fmi.fi ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 91 07:55:08 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!alchemy!piet@uunet.uu.net (Piet van Oostrum) Subject: modes.mf (was re: waits.mf?????) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >>>>> schwab@julien.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Andreas Schwab) (AS) writes: AS> You should use modes.mf, the successor of waits.mf. It has the same AS> functionality and much more. It is available from the major TeX AS> archives. How to get modes.mf from the archive at Dept. of Computer Science, Utrecht University: NOTE: In the following I have assumed your mail address is john@highbrow.edu. Of course you must substitute your own address for this. This should be a valid internet or uucp address. For bitnet users name@host.BITNET usually works. by FTP: (please restrict access to weekends or evening/night (i.e. between about 20.00 and 0900 UTC). ftp archive.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.5] user name: anonymous or ftp password: your own email address (e.g. john@highbrow.edu) cd /pub don't forget to set binary mode if the file is a tar/arc/zoo archive, compressed or in any other way contains binary data. get TEX/MF/modes.mf by mail-server: send the following message to mail-server@cs.ruu.nl (or uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!ruuinf!mail-server): begin path john@highbrow.edu (PLEASE SUBSTITUTE *YOUR* ADDRESS) send TEX/MF/modes.mf end NOTE: *** PLEASE USE VALID INTERNET ADDRESSES IF POSSIBLE. DO NOT USE ADDRESSES WITH ! and @ MIXED !!!! BITNETTERS USE USER@HOST.BITNET *** The path command can be deleted if we receive a valid from address in your message. If this is the first time you use our mail server, we suggest you first issue the request: send HELP -- Piet* van Oostrum, Dept of Computer Science, Utrecht University, Padualaan 14, P.O. Box 80.089, 3508 TB Utrecht, The Netherlands. Telephone: +31 30 531806 Uucp: uunet!mcsun!ruuinf!piet Telefax: +31 30 513791 Internet: piet@cs.ruu.nl (*`Pete') ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 91 04:55:42 GMT From: ccncsu!lamar.colostate.edu!sytang@purdue.edu (Shoou-yu tang) Subject: speller and Mac fonts To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, Spell32 and Makedict has been added to atari.archive.umich.edu, these two programs are from UK archive pdsoft for ST. The spell32 is english spell checke , and the makedict is the dictionary maintainer for the spell32. Documents are included in the archived file. One more file from pdsoft has been uploaded and should be availible soon. It contains the Mac fonts converted to be use with GDOS. This file has been mentioned in previous messages about Fonts. Have fun. Tang sytang@lamar.colostate.edu ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 91 04:56:13 GMT From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Len Stys) Subject: Tom and Free-Net Commodore SIG To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu If anyone cares to know how little you should think of the recent message posted by Thomas Hill, please take a look of a capture that I took from the Commodore SIG on Free-Net concerning Atari... ews 437. USENET REPOST: Commodore SemiConductor In News 438. YWCA looking for donation 439. USENET REPOST: Atari In Europe 440. USENET REPOST: Atari Sells Plant 441. USENET REPOST: Atari Show Cancelled **R 442. USENET REPOST: Atari Us Position 443. USENET REPOST: Slow Macs 444. Re: USENET REPOST: Atari In Europe ------------------------------- c = Contribute a new mess (AND HOW ABOUT ONE OF THOSE MESSAGES WHILE I'M AT IT?) Article #439 (444 is last): Newsgroups: freenet.sci.comp.c64.forum From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) Subject: USENET REPOST: Atari In Europe Date: Sun Jun 16 16:47:26 1991 What follows is a series of messages from the Atari UseNet SIG. They represent the down hill trend at Atari right now. While thumbing through the Atari messages I was taken by the number of "For Sale" messages being posted. Read into this what you will. Also, if any of you Mac users think Atari and Commodore activity has always been about the same level, I would suggest you go to the few Atari SIGs for a quick look, then go to the Amiga SIG (# 5) and take a quick look around all those special interest SIGs within it. Things are hopping at Commodore these days. Things at Atari are...Well, let's let the Atari message traffic speak for it's self. I'd also like to mention to my fellow Amiga users out there what this could mean to Commodore. With Atari out of the picture Commodore would be by it's self in the < $1000 market. With the recent rush of Atari users switching to the Amiga, this "rush" could soon turn into a flood. Article #28178 (28194 is last): From: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham S Thomas) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: How is Atari doing in Europe? Date: Sat Jun 15 12:16:14 1991 From article <1991Jun14.010821.9903@noose.ecn.purdue.edu>, by yegerleh@vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu (James D Yegerlehner): > I don't think Atari is making much of a splash over here (yet?) > with the new STEs and TTs, but can any of you guys over in Europe > say how the new machines are being received there? Is Atari > maintaining the significant market share that it once had? I'm fairly sure Atari's market share in the UK is declining. Most STs here have been sold as games machines, and judging from the relative amounts of software in the shops and the number and thickness of magazines on the newsstands, the Amiga's winning hands down in that arena. Anything else has been niche marketing. The TT is more expensive here than in some other countries, partly because Atari don't expect to sell many. The Mega STE hasn't even been released here yet - it's just been delayed even further until the beginning of July. Atari are still selling a fair number of STFMs (still!) and STEs, and the existing number of installed machines means that games and music software will continue to be produced here, along with the occasional non-games product. Also, Atari UK have started to advertise the ST as a 'serious' computer again. But, in my opinion, it's too little, too late. The best is not yet to come. Graham -- Graham Thomas, SPRU, Mantell Building, U of Sussex, Brighton, BN1 9RF, UK Email: grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk Phone: +44 273 678165 Fax: .. 685865 [END] Tom ------------------------------- Would you now like to: t - Type out (Re-read) this message s - Read next unread message on same Subj -------------- If posting of information like this makes you angry, do what I do and try to make the Atari SIG a great place to get information. In fact, after seeing what Tom is doing, I'm encouraged to work on the Atari SIG even harder and I'm sure the users are as well. Join the Atari SIG... or the 16/32-bit Computer Support Team. Len -- ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 91 03:36:18 GMT From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aa399@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Len Stys) Subject: What is wrong? How to fix? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am collecting information, I have been for sometime on all the things that people say is wrong with Atari. Some say that Atari is only considered a game machine in some countries. Some say that the technology of Atari computers isn't enough to compete against other computers. Some say Atari doesn't advertise enough. Others say that Atari Corp. doesn't support its customers as it should. WHAT IS WRONG WITH ATARI? This is what I would like to know from you and I would also like to know how you would fix it if you had any control of what was happening. Please respond to me in e-mail since I don't think people don't want to read this string. Also please be aware that I understand all computer companies have their problems not just Atari. Atari has some positive things going for them but all I am interested is the things that is wrong with Atari. Thanks. P.S. Please give your country's name as well as if you are a user, dealer, or developer. -- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jun 91 00:31:43 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tred ysvr!cellar!revpk@arizona.edu (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) Subject: Word Perfect 5.1 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, good luck, and I also recommend making a few phone calls to WP's help lines as well. I'd be very interested to know if the following features would be included: 1. The Tables and Equation Editor functions. 2. Ability to run of of 720K floppies 3. The new Labels Formatting ability. In other words, rough compatibility with the IBM version. ====================================================================== Brian Siano, aka [ "Mr. A. Hitler, the old Nazi thing, says [ Mickey's silly. Imagine that! Well, Mickey is Rev. Philosopher-King [ going to save Mr. A. Hitler from drowning or [ something some day. Just wait and see if he revpk@cellar.UUCP [ doesn't. Then won't Mr. A. Hitler be ashamed!" [ -- Walt Disney, 1933. ====================================================================== ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************