Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 20 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 343 Today's Topics: 8/16 MHz speed switch Clock for ST; ST vs STE, and other questions (2 msgs) Double click software (2 msgs) gcc 1.40 Hi Metafont freaks... inaccessability of GEM on boot International Character sets (was Re: man w/ pipe) LHarc/PFX - address request lharc woes (AGAIN, was Is musedt.lzh corrupted?) loadspx MegaMax Asteroids Midimaze II - Registration One program, one week, for one year! Re: GNU Make troubles: 2 bombs! RTS/CTS (was Re: set-up for Practical Peripherals 9600 modem?) Spectre/Atari formats SUpra2400 modem and cable for sale VIDTEX ( RLE ) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jun 91 06:35:49 GMT From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: 8/16 MHz speed switch To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just to clearify.... SPEED.PRG works ON all STs.... The speed change bit for MEGA STE or ST with Hypercache takes only 10 or 20 bytes, so if you want the ALT key-pad stuff you can still use it in your AUTO-folder !! Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________ Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST __________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 22:38:35 GMT From: fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!Azog-Thoth@uunet.uu.net (William Thomas Daugustine) Subject: Clock for ST; ST vs STE, and other questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, Ive got a load of questions. I hope I can keep my attention centered long enough to post them... 1. Is there a clock available for the ST? Ive a 520ST and I kinda find if annoying that I have to reset the clock each time I want to use my computer. Is there a device I can build or buy thatll battery back the clock? 2. Whats the difference between various ST models. Such as the ST vs STE. I know the E means Enhanced or something. I am wondering if its possible to modify my 520STFM to be an STE? Also, in a coupla months, I plan to upgrade my RAM, either 2mb or 4mb, and also want to know whats the difference between an upgraded 520ST, to say a Mega-2 or -4? 3. Anyone have TOS 1.4 they wanna sell? :-) Ive the 6 chip version 1.0, and want to upgrade. Im sure that someone must have upgraded their 1.4 machine to a higher rev, and now has the 1.4 chipset just laying around. 4. Finally. CPU accelarators? I see in a mag or two that one company makes a 16MHz 68000 thats pretty simple to install. Is there any other CPU replacements, like an 020 or an 030? (dont tell me get a TT, I never buy computers new :-) I know that these must exist, but am looking for opinions on the 'best' (cost effective and also installation, and how good it is in speeding up the processor) Thanx! Billy D'Augustine Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 91 00:56:06 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed u!rjast1@arizona.edu (Robert J Anisko) Subject: Clock for ST; ST vs STE, and other questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <43478@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: > >Well, Ive got a load of questions. I hope I can keep my attention centered >long enough to post them... > >1. Is there a clock available for the ST? Ive a 520ST and I kinda find if >annoying that I have to reset the clock each time I want to use my >computer. Is there a device I can build or buy thatll battery back the >clock? Easiest thing would be to find an old Magic Sac cartridge (the early MAC emulator) minus the ROMS - I believe if you pop a battery in there, it has a clock that will work fine for you. I personally use the clock built into my Deskcart cartridge... >2. Whats the difference between various ST models. Such as the ST vs >STE. I know the E means Enhanced or something. I am wondering if its >possible to modify my 520STFM to be an STE? Also, in a coupla months, >I plan to upgrade my RAM, either 2mb or 4mb, and also want to know >whats the difference between an upgraded 520ST, to say a Mega-2 or >-4? There are various differences between the ST and STe series, most notably enhanced color (4096 colors, instead of 512 palette) and stereo sound. Also a newer TOS (like DOS on the IBM), etc. An STe owner could better compare... Oh, a biggie: ALOT easier to upgrade the ram of an STe - just pop in some SIMMS (whereas with the ST you need a memory board setup to upgrade)... As for Mega, I believe the main difference is a couple extra expansion port(s).... >3. Anyone have TOS 1.4 they wanna sell? :-) Ive the 6 chip version 1.0, >and want to upgrade. Im sure that someone must have upgraded their >1.4 machine to a higher rev, and now has the 1.4 chipset just laying >around. Nah, I like my 1.4s... >4. Finally. CPU accelarators? I see in a mag or two that one company >makes a 16MHz 68000 thats pretty simple to install. Is there any >other CPU replacements, like an 020 or an 030? (dont tell me get a >TT, I never buy computers new :-) I know that these must exist, but >am looking for opinions on the 'best' (cost effective and also >installation, and how good it is in speeding up the processor) There are two 16mhz 68000 upgrades - by ICD (AdSpeed) and the Turbo16 by Jim Allen. A 20mhz version by Jim Allen is supposed to be coming soon. Then there is the Gadgets by Small 68030 upgrade, which I believe is at 32mhz (Dave?)... >Thanx! No problem... Robert Anisko rjast1@unix.cis.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 12:46:30 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!simvax.labmed .umn.edu!davidli@arizona.edu Subject: Double click software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , mforget@ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Michel Forget) writes: > dh@tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk writes: >...If they're listening now, though, I > wonder if they will ever write a program that allows you to change paths > on your hard drive from a "tree"? This would be a good program, since > GEM is such a pain to use when you want to go several layers deep. DC Desktop has the ability to place folders on the desktop, so I guess they've already addressed your problem. In a similar vein, I came across a program posted to GENIE last week called LOGDRIVE -- it basically let's you set a folder on your hard drive as a logical drive. I haven't used it yet (too many other things to do last week...), but I can see about posting it to the atari.archive site if it isn't already there. I don't remember if the program is shareware or no... -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 15:25:08 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!b oyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: Double click software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article , dh@tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk writes: >I've just heard about DC softwares commitment to produce one program per >week for this year to show their commitmet to the ST. > >As a journalist abuot to write an article on DC, I'd like to hear from >someone at Double Click to tell me more about this. I reckon we must >be nearly halfway through the year now, so have 26 programs been released? > Take a peek in the DC directory on atari.archive. I don't know about 26 this year, but there has been lots of really neat stuff released recently. By the way, before I got Neodesk I used to use DCshowit (and loved it). Unfortunetely you cannot use it from within Neodesk. Any chance of a stand alone .ttp version for us Neodesk folks? -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 20:53:33 GMT From: cadence!cadence.com!bammi@uunet.uu.net (Jwahar R. Bammi) Subject: gcc 1.40 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun18.081500.851@cs.nott.ac.uk> dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave Gymer) writes: > > After all the recent discussion about the forthcoming release of gcc 1.40 gcc-1.40 for the St is already our there. see update10.zoo on atari.archive > on the ST, I'd like to make an appeal to those who are actually doing the > work: please, please, please make sure that it does NOT mangle filenames huh, all you got to do is set the env variable UNIXMODE appropriately. see UNIXMODE.doc in the lib sources. it will be perfectly happy to use the other env variables (GNULIB etc) with forward slashes in them. -- -- bang: uunet!cadence!bammi jwahar r. bammi domain: bammi@cadence.com GEnie: J.Bammi CIS: 71515,155 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1991 13:39 N From: HANTKE%KVI.NL@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Hi Metafont freaks... To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi Metafont-freaks, I have been running METAFONT (mf.arc from the mail server in Utrecht) to make the printer fonts for my NEC P6. Since a definition of a NEC mode did not work (something `hard wired` in the preloaded mf ?), I had to cheat: I adapted the mode_def `dover' to 360 dpi, and ran the packet for scaled and unscaled fonts. While the output of unscaled fonts is o.k., for _scaled_ fonts I get the error message by `mydvi': Wrong magnification! The PKTYPE-output (see appendix) shows a resolution of 256 dpi (?). Scaled PK-files sent in the NEC-P6-HIGH packet by S.Lindner are in 512 dpi resolution and seem to work. Also the `Design size' is different. - What does the `resolution' mean? - Did I forget a crucial parameter for mf ? - What's a preloaded version? Does this mean that plain.bas in somehow included in mf.ttp? - How do you make a preloaded version yourself (that (un)dump-business)? All contributions are greatly appreciated, Thomas. (hantke@kvi.nl) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 23:09:49 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@uunet.uu.net (Warwick Allison) Subject: inaccessability of GEM on boot To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >To install a program as the auto-exec GEM program in TOS 1.4 >and newer, you click on the program, then click "Install Application" and >select "Auto" for the "Boot Status." Then Save Desktop to save this >selection to disk. This is quite silly when you think about it. Why would you Install an application as Auto start and then NOT save the desktop. I am suprised that this isn't done automatically (or at least by default). I am also confused as to why the disk is accessed (considerably) when you install a program file as auto-start. Warwick. -- _-_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au / * <-- Computer Science Department, \_.-._/ University of Queensland, v Brisbane, AUSTRALIA. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 14:51:48 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net (Jim Omura) Subject: International Character sets (was Re: man w/ pipe) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <2007@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> warwick@cs.uq.oz.au writes: > >>| >Darnded right! Atari really screwed up. Why didn't they use the IBM character >>| >>| The real question is why IBM doesn't have Bob in its character set. > >>Well, actually why doesn't *everyone* use ISO-Latin-1 ? > >I heard Atari was trying to capture the Arab market (so that's what all those >squiggles are!) Well, actually, the North American version has Hebrew letters. We don't have Arabic. -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 14:15:48 MEZ From: Wolfgang Ley Subject: LHarc/PFX - address request To: Atari ST users forum Hello! A few weeks ago i received a mail about LHARC 1.13.21 by Thomas Quester. I have discard the news, and now i don't know how to get the adress of Thomas Quester. I would like to have Lharc 1.13.21 and the new PFX. (I do not know if PFX is written by Thomas too....) Thanks for any information, bye Wolfgang Ley. from BITNET: BWWL@DCZTU1.BITNET from Internet: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 15:01:09 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net (Jim Omura) Subject: lharc woes (AGAIN, was Is musedt.lzh corrupted?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun19.012653.8005@convex.com> rosenkra@convex.com (William Rosencranz) writes: > >as an (outspoken?) opponent of lharc (until it gets it sh*t together), >i read with interest a previous post about testing at least a dozen >(!!!!!!!) versions of lharc on a particularly nasty file. since at least >one of them (2, i think) worked, the file COULD be considered "good" >(not by ME or any other sane, rational user, however). > >then i came across this gem: > >In article <1991Jun18.151348.795@ccu.umanitoba.ca> bright@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Bob Bright) writes: >>(To all the progenitors of lharc and .lzh files: I hope you die a >>thousand miserable deaths, choking forever on the few megs of disk >>space you've managed to save the world at the expense of countless >>hours of frustration and wasted time and net bandwidth.) > >i LOVE this guy. he hits the point home! "a pox on you [lharc-ers] and >all your ancesters" as ed norton would say :-). > >and NO, as much as i would REALLY like to, i will NOT eat my words (yet :-) > >so you STILL think i am nuts? (rhetorical: don't answer that... :-) > Well, I wouldn't exactly say that, but I agree that all the incompatible versions are bad enough that I won't support LHARC for the time being either. In retrospect, the law suit against Phil Katz by the originator or "ARC" was right too. Katz was on the same road to messing up the .arc file standard that these guys are on with .lzh files. The only things I use by choice now are ARC 6.02 and Zoo. At least I know with some certainty that anyone on almost any computer in the world will be able to unpack these and with a minimum of frustration due to "incompatible versions." -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 91 09:04:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!snorke lwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!lsmichae@ar izona.edu (Lars Michael) Subject: loadspx To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu (L.J.Dickey) writes: >In article binaries newsgroup, the file > v15i005: loadspx -- Spectrum picture viewer >I tried running the file "loadspx.prg" and succeded in getting nothing >but a warm boot. >There was no documentation, and no information about system requirements. >Can anyone shed some light on this? loadspx needs a file named madonna.spc (included in the sources of loadspx in c.sources.a.s) and a color monitor (of course 8-) ). Both files *must* be in the same dir. You may rename any SPC or SPU into MADONNA.SPC and run loadspx to show it. Hope this helps, --- Lars +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ | lsmichae@faui43.uni-erlangen.de | | | | | | Lars Michael | | | | "Down with ATARI, | | Graduate Student of Computer Science | / | \ Long live the ST !" | | at University of Erlangen/Germany | / | \ | +----------------------------------------+----------------------------------| | "May the Schwartz be with you!" | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 19:43:02 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu !utgpu!watserv1!watcgl!electro.com!george@arizona.edu (George Reimer) Subject: MegaMax Asteroids To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Over the last few years I have been able to enjoy the Megamax version of asteroids on my ST. There is a menu option which offers you the source code for $25. Has anyone sent away for this? Is it still available? Is Megamax still in business? If not, does anyone know where I can get a copy of the source? thanks in advance -- _______________________________________ |---|---|line--upon--line---|---|---|---| watmath!watcgl!electro!george |---|--building the foundations-|---|---|---| george@electro.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 14:20:13 MEZ From: Wolfgang Ley Subject: Midimaze II - Registration To: Atari ST users forum HI! I am a great fan of MIDIMAZE II. The archive I received doesn't contain the address of Markus Fritze (Sigma-Soft), but a Registration-File, saying the Maze-editor will cost 50.- DM. Does anybody know where to sent the 50.-DM ?? If so, can you tell me even the Kto-Nr. and the BLZ?? Thanks in advance, Wolfgang Ley from BITNET: BWWL@DCZTU1.BITNET from Internet: BWWL@ibm.rz.tu-clausthal.de ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 91 00:35:20 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh .edu!uace0@arizona.edu (ATARI Computer Enthusiasts) Subject: One program, one week, for one year! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu OK, let's settle this once and for all. Here is our commitment: We at Double Click Software will write one (1) FREEWARE program per week for one (1) year. Officially, we announced our intentions to the known universe in February, however, we were already doing this from October 1990. To date, we have well over 26 programs released. If you are on GEnie, you can do a search on the name DOUBLE-CLICK and find out for sure that we did start back in October 1990. On Compuserve, just go to Atarivendors area 13 and do a DIR on our library (13) and you will see nearly four (4) pages of programs. When we call it quits, is up to us (hee hee). Officially, we have it marked down on our calendar already. However, no one knows whether we could stop 'cold turkey.' So, yes, we are regularly releasing a program each week to: GEnie Compuserve the Double Click Software BBS and the InterNET (altho the moderator is _extremely_ slooooooow!!! at releasing) I know that they haven't been released on the internet regularly (we just sent all of them to him about 6 weeks ago, and have been sending him one a week since then) from the moderator. So... We will have nothing to do with 'nay-sayers,' because we are doing it, and have been for almost nine months already. :-) Any other questions? :-) - mike vederman -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Double Click Me | Double Click Software | P.O. Box 741206 | Houston, Tx, 77274 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Voice: (713)977-6520 | DC DESKTOP | DC FORMATTER | DC UTILITIES | and others ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 91 08:51:24 GMT From: otter.hpl.hp.com!hpltoad!ghiggins!gjh@hplabs.hp.com (Graham Higgins) Subject: Re: GNU Make troubles: 2 bombs! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ++ >my 4080STFM. ++ ++ You mean 4160. You ain't seen my soldering :-) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 22:09:15 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!csn!boulder!tramp.Colorado.EDU!millert@arizona.edu (MILLER TODD C) Subject: RTS/CTS (was Re: set-up for Practical Peripherals 9600 modem?) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu That was probably me. TOS14FIX.PRG has a bug (actually a typo) where an RTS instruction should have been an RTE instruction. There is was article in ST Report a while back that told how to fix it. Or you can get tos14fx5.lzh from atari.archive that has the bug fixed and adds xbra support. The fixed version is by Karsten Isakovic. - todd -- Todd C. Miller | "But all the politiCIAns now millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU | They have no excuse al804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu | They just hide behind their power University of Colorado @ Boulder | And keep us from the truth" - Roger McGuinn ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 91 20:58:52 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tred ysvr!cellar!darling@arizona.edu (Darling) Subject: Spectre/Atari formats To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I'm looking at a Spectre GCR system, which apparently reads Mac disks straight away, and wondering: if I buy such a thing, is there an easy way to transfer files from ST disks to Mac disks and vice versa? It seems that if both formats can be accessed this should be no big deal. Is such a copy utility included/available? Anyone? ~ darling@cellar.UUCP \\\ Thomas Darling * record production * dance re-mixing uunet!cellar!darling \\\ Fact HQ Studio * The Cellar BBS:215/336-9503 * FACT v ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 91 02:55:52 GMT From: beguine!bbs.oit.unc.edu@mcnc.org (Duncan Lewis) Subject: SUpra2400 modem and cable for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Brand new condition Supra2400 modem with serial cable for sale in original boxes. 75.00+shipping. all manuals and cables included. -Dunc. -- The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. internet: bbs.oit.unc.edu or 128.109.157.30 ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 91 00:41:22 GMT From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid) Subject: VIDTEX ( RLE ) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello out there, VIDTEX graphics ( RLE ) used to be a big deal in the Atari world, BBS's used to have them so you could view pictures while logged onto the BBS. This is way cool and for those of us with Flash, dearly missed. What I'm looking for is a UNIX program which might convert GIF's to RLE and then send them to be viewed in Flash or any other VIDTEX viewer. Any Ideas? Stephan -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves Salamanders Are Cool... /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************