Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 13 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 332 Today's Topics: .gl viewer for ST 24bit -> spectrum arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question Atari shops in Europe CD-ROM players Emacs, where to get? GhostScript How many MBytes would _you_ recommend? IBM 3270 Term Emulator? Man w/ pipe Mega Mega? (2 msgs) MIDI Input to MIDI Standard File ML on Atari More than 4 Meg ?? Neo Desk 3 New upload to terminator - PLOT v1.50 NORAOCH.PRG Notebook NVDI Source for BASH 1.05 (MiNT) The Mother of All Computer Sales X for the ST? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Jun 91 23:00:45 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!ub!ubvmsd.cc.buf falo.edu!v115lue3@arizona.edu (Philip M Smolin) Subject: .gl viewer for ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is a self-explanatory message. Does anyone know of a .gl viewer for the ST? I took a look through atari.archive but did not see anything with a gl acronym. As always...any help is greatly appreciated. Philip ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 19:42:30 GMT From: dkoski@arizona.edu (David A. Koski) Subject: 24bit -> spectrum To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know where I could get source code for somthing that will convert a 24 bit (or 8 bit, or even 9 bit) image to spectrum format? Thanks, David Koski ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 13:12:06 GMT From: mcsun!unido!estevax!reiner@uunet.uu.net (Reiner Plaum) Subject: arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp question To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <727@bigfoot.first.gmd.de> ralph@prosun.first.gmd.de (Ralph Berg) writes: >How can I tell arc602.ttp or unarc.ttp to store on >extraction the files into another directory as where >the archiver programms resides??? In order to extract into a particular directory you have to specify that path as the argument to arc, and append the pattern for the files to be extracted e.g. : arc x any.arc c:\tmp\*.* Don't no whether the same method works for unarc. By the way, West Germany mentioned in your disclaimer does no longer exist. Reiner. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 11:27:31 GMT From: mcsun!news.funet.fi!uta!cshera@uunet.uu.net (Heikki Rasim{ki) Subject: Atari shops in Europe To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello ! I'm planning to do some Interrail in Europe this summer and I thought I could smugle something neat for my ST then I come back. Therefor I'm asking for addresses of Atari hardware-shops in Europe. Little info about what they sell would be nice, too. ( For example, there HD-diskette stations are available ) Please e-mail, I will summarize results in newsgroups. Heikki Rasim{ki cshera@uta.fi P.S. (Thank you)s to all who answered my wonderings about atari graphics. Learned something again. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 04:11:06 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!rpi!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!g greenbe@arizona.edu (Gerald Greenberg) Subject: CD-ROM players To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I know I asked this a while back. I only got one response, and I've misplaced it...so I thought I'd ask again, in a slightly different way. Is anybody using a CD-ROM player made for another computer, e.g. Mac or msdos, on their ST via an emulator such as Spectre or ATSpeed or Supercharger? These players seem to be scsi devices for the most part, so I was wondering if it would be possible to hook one up via my scsi chain and run in via an emulator? Thanks very much for any responses along this line. --Gerry ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 14:19:30 GMT From: mcsun!unido!rzsun2.informatik.uni-hamburg.de!rospc1!hess@uunet.uu.net (Hauke Hess) Subject: Emacs, where to get? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, as I`m preparing my ST to get full use of all the Gnu stuf (g++, gcc etc.) I would like to use Emacs also (at least test it). So I looked through the ftp sites and only found horrible archives of sizes at about 1,3MB. That`s not fun, so my question: are there any other, complete Emacs archives (without source of emacs), may be in germany or at least europe? Where? Hauke Hess ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 10:26:46 WET DST From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" Subject: GhostScript To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've heard that this Postscript interpreter is available for the ST, but I can't find it - not even by using the archie mail server to search the ftp sites for me. I come up -loads- of entries for it, but they're all in Gnu directories, or the MS-DOS version. So - the question is: does anyone have it for the ST? Or can I use the Gnu version of I get all the gnu shell stuff? Which, by the way, I'm not entirely keen on getting! I mean, if it comes down to it, I might just get the MS-DOS version and emulate it through AT-Once, but I'd rather have a native Atari version. As an addition, I finish my exams pretty soon so I'll have some time. I no-one knows about an ST version, I could always try and port it to the ST (I notice one of the copies archie lists is in a sources directory). However, that'll be tough for me as I'm certainly neither a Postscript, Ghostscript, Gnu, Atari or even C programming guru! :-) I'll have a go though, as I can program in C, and I assume the source will be C. Cheers, Ian ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 08:05:39 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!robin@uunet.uu.net (R C Smith) Subject: How many MBytes would _you_ recommend? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun11.190859.16688@uni-paderborn.de> marc@uni-paderborn.de (Marc Gumbold) writes: >I don't have the money to replace my >ST with a state-of-the-art ?86 AT with some Unix. I wouldn't call ?86 state-of-the-art, its just very common but I admit Unix would be nice.. On the subject of memory buy as much as you can afford ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 20:45:55 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!know!daemon@arizona.edu Subject: IBM 3270 Term Emulator? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello All, I am looking for an IBM 3270 Emulator for my ST. I'd like to connect to the IBM 'frame here at Kodak. If anybody has such a beast, please UUENCODE it and mail to the address below. I do not have access to any newsfeeds, so please reply directly via E-mail. (Also note that the mailer has stripped my return address! Manual addressing required... Sorry.) Thanks in advance for your help! Jim Bernatowicz -- A problem to which there is no solution: nobody@Kodak.COM Please reply to: BERNATOWICZ@vx6455.dnet.kodak.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 91 01:48:31 GMT From: rit!cci632!ritcsh!ultb!adw3345@cs.rochester.edu (A.D. Williams) Subject: Man w/ pipe To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun6.131017.12110@ira.uka.de> S_DINGLER@iravcl.ira.uka.de (|S| Florian Dingler) writes: >Hi folks! > >I wonder if anyone knows who the man smoking a pipe is. You know, the one you >find in the ATARI-ST charset with the codes 28-31 or so. Is he just a little >joke or a special person or what ? >Please write followups, no mail. The character smoking a pipe is generally assumed to be Bob, holder of Slack. Read alt.slack for further information. Derrick -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Derrick Williams - Rochester Institute of Technology | Insert snappy - - adw3345@ritvax - Computer Engineering | quotation here - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 12:01:05 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!think.com!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de !fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus Brod) Subject: Mega Mega? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu saj@chinet.chi.il.us (Stephen Jacobs) writes: >What with GNU Emacs, big RAMdisks, Scheme, Smalltalk, MultiGEM, etc. etc. it >seems like a reasonable thing to want to expand a Mega beyond 4 MB. Anyone >done it? Any possibility of a commercial expansion? There is a commercial solution distributed by Richter Computer in Germany. With their expansion cards, you can pump up memory volume to 12 MB. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 13:38:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!news.cs.indiana.edu!maytag!watmath !mks.com!ant@arizona.edu (Anthony Howe) Subject: Mega Mega? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Gadgets by Small has a 68030/8Mb expansion board which will combine your on-board memory with the above to give a Mega 4 a whole 12Mb of RAM!!!!! I saw Mr.Small at CeBIT this year and he showed me this marvelous expansion board for Megas. There are a lot more details about this board and I recommend contacting him for more information. -- ant@mks.com Anthony C Howe Mortice Kern Systems Inc. 35 King St. N., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, N2J 6W9 "Fate favors fools, small children, and ships named Enterprise" - Riker ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 15:17:16 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!unido!estevax!reiner@uunet.uu.net (Reiner Plaum) Subject: MIDI Input to MIDI Standard File To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I need a utility which read and buffers MIDI input and allows saving in MIDI standard file format. Does anyone know of such a program ? Where can I get such a program ? Or, if i have to write such a program by myself finally, where can I find the MIDI standard file definition (book or mailserver). Any help is appreciated, Reiner. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 16:22:51 +0100 From: Stephen Kendrick Subject: ML on Atari To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Funny that this mail message should appear on the very day that I successfully complete a port of this EXCELLENT language to Lattice C v5. It is now working, but doesn't include the standard functions listed in the back of Ake Wikstrom's book "Functional programming using Standard ML". I am working on this, and will keep the group informed. I am unsure as to whether I am allowed to distribute the program, as the source is the property of Edinburgh University in the UK. I will ask them, and reply to anybody who mails me directly with the answers I receive. Steve. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 13:32:45 GMT From: mcsun!unido!rwthinf!messua!michaels@uunet.uu.net (Michael Schwingen) Subject: More than 4 Meg ?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, I don't know what the STE hardware is like, but it IS possible to connect more than 4MB to an orinary ST. There is a company (I think 'Richter Daten- technik' or something like that) somewhere in Germany/Switzerland (??) who sells an expansion which can handle 12 or 14 MB - but it's quite expensive. A friend of mine has just developed such a thing. It works fine at up to 14 MB - but it's only a prototype now. It is a bit more complicated then connecting 1-4MB to the existing MMU - you have to build part of a new MMU to handle the memory above 4MB and do some other nasty things in order to get the video system use the additional memory - but it can be done. I think it should be possible on a STE, too. Michael Schwingen, Germany ------- please keep email from outside germany SHORT --------- email: michaels%cip-s01.informatik.rwth-aachen.de@unido.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 06:58:20 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!mauxci!problem!intacc!zerobeat@arizona.e du (Ferenc Szabo) Subject: Neo Desk 3 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <43160@cup.portal.com> Azog-Thoth@cup.portal.com (William Thomas Daugustine) writes: > >I just ordered Neo Desk 3 today (cant recall the publisher) and am >just looking to see if anyone has any opinions on it. It looks pretty >good in the ad (which is why I ordered it:-), but I was looking for >someone who has used it, and has any general observations on it. > >Ill be running this on a 520ST, and two DS 3.5" floppys, and a colour >monitor (no hard drive, or RAM expansion. _yet_) I use NEODESK 3.0 on my Mega STe with 4 Megabytes and the desktop eats away a few hundred K. You should check this out first cuz maybe some programs won't work with only a couple of hundred K remaining (I can think of a few programs that won't even work with a 520). >PS: a question totally unrelated. Is there any way to fake the ST out >when using a colour monitor, into thinking its a monochrome? Id like >to get the high res, but dont wanna have two monitors. I am thinking >maybe dropping or raising a line marked 'monochome detect' that I >see in the pinout. I dunno .......but...... Is there any way of using LO or MED res programs on a HI res monitor?? ferenc ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 11:33:22 GMT From: cs.dal.ca!ac.dal.ca!cordes@uunet.uu.net Subject: New upload to terminator - PLOT v1.50 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu New upload to Atari Archive: PLOT150.LZH This is an upgrade to PLOT125.LZH, which has been in the applications directory on the terminator archive. The program is a 2D Function/Data plotter for high/medium resolution ST's. Some of its features are: * Plots functions typed at the keyboard. Large range of function primitives to choose from. * Data (x-y coordinate pairs) can be entered in a simple editor or read from a file. Some data transformation and fitting capability is included. * Multiple curves can be overlaid on the same plot. Text can also be added. * Good quality output is possible via GDOS (GDOS drivers/fonts are not included). * Various numerical utilities (new in this version) are built in, including numerical integration, finding zeros of functions and complex roots of polynomials. *Freeware* John Cordes Dept. of Physics Dalhousie University Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada B3H 3J5 E-mail: cordes@ac.dal.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 9:25:00 WET DST From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" Subject: NORAOCH.PRG To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Recently, someone posted this is a uuencoded file, but when I try and decode it, I get the message 'short file'. Can someone either repost it or mail it to me, please? Cheers, Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jun 91 18:59:13 GMT From: o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mc4c+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Mark Choi) Subject: Notebook To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know if GBS has mentioned anything about making a Notebook PDS specific GCR, or at least an adaptor for the origninal one. This wouild be the only stopping point in me selling my Stacy for the Notebook (If/When it comes out). Dave, are you listening? See, I told you that I liked it! -mark- ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 11:58:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ir a.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus Brod) Subject: NVDI To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu darekm@microsoft.UUCP (Darek MIHOCKA) writes: >You should be aware of the fact that NVDI currently ONLY seems to work >well in monochrome resolutions and actually slows down GEM operations >in the other TT screen resolutions. It's also somewhat slower than >either Turbo ST or Quick ST 2 when running on an ST, and also slower than >Quick ST 3 when running on the TT in a monochrome screen resolution. >Currently there is only one product available (and I'm sure you can guess >what it is) that not only runs on the TT (sorry Turbo ST!) but actually >significantly speeds up ALL TT screen resolutions (sorry NVDI!). :-) Don't forget that NVDI includes GDOS which is a big pro for this program for me. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 10:57:56 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!warwick!nott-cs!dpg@uunet.uu.net (Dave Gymer) Subject: Source for BASH 1.05 (MiNT) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've had several requests to put the source for the version of BASH I used onto a.a, so I've just sent it off. This is the UNIX version, and thus needs to be patched with my diffs (included) before compilation. Also included is the GNU readline library, which is needed for line editing and history. Have fun! -- /* 'Grave' Dave Gymer --------- Internet: dpg@Cs.Nott.AC.UK *\ +* 42 St Marys Park, Louth, Lincolnshire, LN11 0EF, England *+ +* Olivier's Law: "Experience is something you don't get *+ \*-------------------------- until just after you need it." */ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 21:15:27 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken!cert!net news.upenn.edu!eniac.seas.upenn.edu!hindi@arizona.edu (Faeiz Hindi ) Subject: The Mother of All Computer Sales To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have the following for sale: For Sale: | asking | I paid -------------------------------------|------------------|-------------- 1040 STfm + SC1224 Color monitor | | 1 1/2 years old PERFECT Cond | $500 | $1050 includes mouse, 1 meg ram, | | internal DS 3.5" diskdrive | | -------------------------------------|------------------|--------------- 520 ST + SF354 external diskdrive | | includes 512K ram--diskdrive | -> $50 <- | too much works fine, computer runs well | | most of time, a little flaky. | | -------------------------------------|------------------|--------------- Supra 2400 baud modem | | external, works like a charm | $60 | $175 add $5 for RS-232 cable | | -------------------------------------|------------------|--------------- Star Micronics NX-1000 printer | | dot-matrix, VERY reliable, | $75 | $299 fast, handsome output. | | add $5 for parallel cable | | -------------------------------------|------------------|--------------- All of the above have been treated with the utmost of care, never opened the units, never tinkered with. All equipment includes all necessary power packs and cables except where noted. I would like to sell the 1040 and color monitor together, but would consider offers for individual parts. If you think any of the prices are unfair, let me know--maybe we can strike a bargain. ---> Please respond to hindi@eniac.seas.upenn.edu <--- Thanks for your time. (nice chart above, eh?) --Faeiz Hindi ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jun 91 14:45:21 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!opal!ki@uunet.uu.net (Karsten Isakovic) Subject: X for the ST? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun10.190828.23016@clinet.fi> likos@clinet.fi (Johannis Likos) writes: >The other solution is offered by the company BioData GmbH, >the manufacturer of BioNet (I think the most reliable >network system in ST/TT environment). >To this X-Window-Server I cannot give any statement, because >I never got the chance to test it. >From hardware side I can recommend BioNet, because it is one >of the few products, which allows network connectivity to >other ST/TT, PC, Mac and Unix (incl. FTP, Telnet, etc.). >BioNet is an external network interface with Ethernet (thick/thin) >and DMA (in/out) used by many german professionals companies. > >likos@clinet.fi Hello Johannis, i attended the CeBIT 91 as manufacturer of OverScan and we were at the same booth as Biodata. Since i work a lot with X-windows in the university, i and the one from biodata installed the x-driver. First we installed it on a normal MEGA ST. The x-driver was an DA that run in the background. If you select the DA, you see a second screen with the X-interface. Since the ST could not initially start/run any clients, you had to start an xterm client via a normal terminal-program on the ST-screen. After a switch to the X-screen the xterm appeared and one could start other clients like the motif window maniger on the host maschine. To get back to the ST-screen one had to type a shift/alt/control key combination. The X-Load and other things continued to work on the X-screen, update was done in the AES- multitasking, i think. The performance of the MEGA was not very good, little slower than a sun 3/50. On the next days we installed X-windows on the Atari TT and the performance was better. The programmer was also at the CeBIT 91 and he said that this was a non optimised version and the real version will be a lot faster. The TT-Bigscreen is already supported, but our overscan-modification was not yet supported. I talked to the programmer and so i think the overscan modification will be supported in future... Greetings, Karsten ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************