Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 11 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 327 Today's Topics: .Z File ext Atari HD hostadapters/drivers. ATARI TT030 versus AT 386/33 MHz and 64KB Cache Degas -> Gif Format converter? Extensible Virtual Toolkit for the ST? G++ for ST, where again? (2 msgs) GDOS in general LOGO METAFONT questions MiNT Minix filesystem problems ... More than 4 Meg ?? PLEASE EMAIL ADDRESS TO PANARTHEA FILESERVER. Publishers (II) Reading TOS/DOS formatted disk on a SparcStation ST User Virus! Unix for the TT? Z-RAM made my drive go nuts! WHY!!?? UPDATE. Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Jun 91 16:10:46 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto. edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Marc Bouron) Subject: .Z File ext To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <91156.001139NCOYNE@ESOC.BITNET>, writes: > Hi > Some of the text type files I have retrived from terminator have .Z file > extentions on them. How do I get rid of these file extensions to be able to rea > d the file. > please help me if you can > thanks > Nick Coyne > NCOYNE@ESOC.BITNET These are files compressed with UN*X compress(1); uncompress with uncompress(1). There is an ST version of compress - you'd use compress -d to uncompress. [M][a][r][c] ################################################################################ # # marc@sequoia.cray.com # . . # # Marc CR Bouron # M.Bouron@cray.co.uk (ARPA) # _|\ /|_ # # Cray Research (UK) Ltd. # M.Bouron@crayuk.uucp (DOMAIN) # (_|_V_|_) # # +44 344 485971 x2208 # M.Bouron@uk.co.cray (JANET) # | | # # # ...!ukc!crayuk!M.Bouron (UUCP) # # ################################################################################ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 91 17:52:54 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-serv er.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Matthew Baker) Subject: Atari HD hostadapters/drivers. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu From article , by meulenbr@cst.prl.philips.nl (Frans Meulenbroeks): > Ok. Since Claus is too polite to promote his own software. A true net.gentleman! > If you can read German, be sure to get the book and the software. > It is definitely worth every pfennig. If you want a good > set of disk utilities, and you do know something about disks, > you might also get the book, just for the software. This sounds great - Here in Oz I have nowhere to get it (I can read German like a martian can kiss, not well, but I grok it.) - any o/seas addresses I can write to? (Claus?) > I think the software is very, very good. You won't really need > the book to use the software, but it explains several things > in some more detail. A good buy for around $ 50,-- (if you > can find it of course). Dare I ask, does he use english in his s/w?? :) > Frans Meulenbroeks (meulenbr@prl.philips.nl) > Centre for Software Technology Frans, I notice (gasp) that you work for Philips... I have this thing called a PTS-6000. If the name rings a bell, can you email me?? tnx. Matthew ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 91 05:03:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto. edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Unknown) Subject: ATARI TT030 versus AT 386/33 MHz and 64KB Cache To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just one question regarding the TT/AT comparison testing... Why didn't you play Eye of the Beholder on your TT..? BobR ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 91 16:10:40 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto. edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Marc Bouron) Subject: Degas -> Gif Format converter? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun4.183535.568@colorado.edu>, elliottj@tramp.colorado.edu (Jim Elliott) writes: > > Is there a utility for switching Degas-type picture files into > GIF format? I'd like to find such a utility for a friend of mine who has > a 1040ST, but I didn't see anything really appropriate on atari.archive. > umich.edu. I know that PicSwitch will go from Gif to Degas (or other > formats), but I didn't think it went the other way. If someone could mail > me with information on where to find such a program, I'd appreciate it. Take a look in the printing/pbm directory at atari.archive: the pbm-bin.zoo file contains a zillion programs to convert from graphics format A to format B. PIx and GIF are mentioned, so there should be a path between them. > Jim > elliottj@tramp.colorado.edu Cheers, [M][a][r][c] ################################################################################ # # marc@sequoia.cray.com # . . # # Marc CR Bouron # M.Bouron@cray.co.uk (ARPA) # _|\ /|_ # # Cray Research (UK) Ltd. # M.Bouron@crayuk.uucp (DOMAIN) # (_|_V_|_) # # +44 344 485971 x2208 # M.Bouron@uk.co.cray (JANET) # | | # # # ...!ukc!crayuk!M.Bouron (UUCP) # # ################################################################################ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 91 12:02:25 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!linac!mp.cs.n iu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!chuck@arizona.edu (charles bridgeland) Subject: Extensible Virtual Toolkit for the ST? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The latest issue of _byte_, in with a couple articles about modern GUIs, has a page describing the Exensible Vitrual Toolkit--"XVT implements a single, layered interface with a set of libraries (one per gui) and a common C language header file. . .Together the library and header file present you with C functions that transparently invoke the native functions of the target gui" "Will be available for PC compatibles, Macs, Amigas and other systems". Will this mean that the ST will get the benifits of this as well? -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- chuck bridgeland---anarchoRepublican "one thing about a police state, you can always find the police" l. neil smith chuck@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu hire me so I can quit this pit. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 91 16:50:23 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto. edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Ulrich Kuehn) Subject: G++ for ST, where again? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun4.085639.6298@nlsca.uucp>, frans@nlsca.uucp (Frans Meijer) says: >A few weeks ago, somebody announced G++ 1.39 (and gcc 1.39) for >the ST. It was available from an FTP site in Germany (where else? :-), >I think. Anybody remember where it was?? >Viele Thanks in advance I know only the ethernet adress of that node, I cant remember the name: it was 134.95.64.1, its somewhere in koeln in germany The stuff is in atari/gnu/g++/cs, but it has no debugger :-( U.Kuehn ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 91 20:23:34 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news- server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona. edu (Adrian Ashley) Subject: G++ for ST, where again? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu gjh@hplb.hpl.hp.com (Graham Higgins) writes: >Jan Timm posted: >>> There is a port of g++ version 1.39 (and gcc 1.39 too) on ftp.thp.koeln.de, >>> (134.95.64.1). I have tried repeatedly over the last week to ftp to this site, but it is unresponsive. Does anyone know of another site which might have the same stuff? Alternately, could some kind soul who has a working connection to the uni-koeln site upload the stuff to atari.archive? Thanks... -- "The short answer is: you can't. | Adrian Ashley in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada The long answer is: you cannot." | work: adrian@cs.ualberta.ca -Rahul Dhesi | home: secret!adrian@dragos.uucp ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 91 22:28:44 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!rpi !news-server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@ar izona.edu (william.a.oswald) Subject: GDOS in general To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I recently started to use OPUS. I would like to use the charting functions but that requires GDOS. Since OPUS is the only program I run which requires GDOS I am unfamiliar with the beast. I do have a copy of GDOS version 1.1 which was included on a Word Flair demo disk. Anyway, I have GDOS but where do I get screen and printer fonts? Also, is there a good GDOS primer out there somewhere? Thanks in advance Bill Oswald aloft!wao ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 91 18:42:25 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news- server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona. edu (Roy Gosewehr) Subject: LOGO To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun04.054518.27602@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes: >Does any one know if its posible to get Ataries Logo to work with Tos 1.4/1.6 >I do get a out of Memory when I try to load a Logo Program/File, >Note: The software does load up on a 1040 ST with Tos 1.4. >Are there any patches to make this work? I posted this question on GEnie about a year ago when I got TOS 1.4 put in my 1040ST. One of the ST wizards (one of the CodeHeads or one of the Double-Click boys, I don't remember for sure) came up with the answer: *********************************************************************** * Trick LOGO by loading a RAM disk first (such as SI_RAM which is an * * accessory), then load LOGO, then remove the RAM disk. The memory is* * freed up and LOGO will then successfully load/save programs & files.* *********************************************************************** Apparently, LOGO under TOS 1.4 uses (or at least thinks that it uses) all available memory when it loads. I haven't programmed in years but I would think it would be a simple matter to patch LOGO to correct this. (HINT, HINT to Atari. Or better yet, why not release an updated version of Logo to take advantage of the new machines? :-) R.C.G. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1991 14:36 N From: HANTKE%KVI.NL@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU Subject: METAFONT questions To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello world, I have been running METAFONT (mf.arc from the mail server in Utrecht) to make the printer fonts for my NEC P6. Since a definition of a NEC mode did not work (something `hard wired` in the preloaded mf ?), I had to cheat: I adapted the mode_def `dover' to 360 dpi, and ran the packet for scaled and unscaled fonts. While the output of unscaled fonts is o.k., for _scaled_ fonts I get the error message by `mydvi': Wrong magnification! The PKTYPE-output (see appendix) shows a resolution of 256 dpi (?). Scaled PK-files sent in the NEC-P6-HIGH packet by S.Lindner are in 512 dpi resolution and seem to work. Also the `Design size' is different. - What does the `resolution' mean? - Did I forget a crucial parameter for mf ? - What's a preloaded version? Does this mean that plain.bas in somehow included in mf.ttp? - How do you make a preloaded version yourself (that (un)dump-business)? All answers (preferably by e-mail, I'll summarize) are greatly appreciated, Thanks, Thomas. (hantke@kvi.nl) Appendix -------- I run PKTYPE on an cmr10.pk file and got the output: open '.\pfnt0394\cmr10.pk' mode 'rb'->F6446 This is PKtype, C Version 2.2 ' METAFONT output 91.04.08:1129' Design size = 10485760 <--- ?? Checksum = 1274110073 Resolution: horizontal = 326456 vertical = 326456 (256 dpi) <--- ?? 49: Flag byte = 192 Character = 65 Packet length = 50 Dynamic packing variable = 12 TFM width = 786434 dx = 2424832 Height = 35 Width = 32 X-offset = -2 Y-offset = 34 (...) I used the command (e.g.): mf \mode=dover; \mag=257; \input waits; \input dover; \input cmbx7 The dover mode was defined as follows: mode_def dover = % dover mode, adapted for NEC P6 (360 dpi) proofing:=0; % no, we're not making proofs fontmaking:=1; % yes, we are making a font tracingtitles:=0; % no, don't show titles in the log pixels_per_inch:=360; % <-- adapted resolution for NEC P6 blacker:=1.2; % make pens somewhat blacker fillin:=0; % no compensation for fillin o_correction:=.6; % but don't overshoot as much enddef; ----------- ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jun 91 14:54:33 GMT From: tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk!olorin@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Subject: MiNT Minix filesystem problems ... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Will anyone who has been experiencing problems with the minix filesystem for MiNT 0.8 please mail me full info , this site has been known to miss the occasional post or two,so mailing me is the only sure way to let me know , so that any problems can be fixed. By 'problem' I mean anything no matter how trivial , I am particularly interested in anything that makes 'fsck' complain , non recognition of minix partitions , disk-change problems , logical partition problems (this should be OK now unless the minix partition uses >1K sectors or any partition has >8K logical sectors). I have not succeded in making fsck complain with my setup , ICD drive and STE with TOS 1.6 , if you find a way then please tell me , 1. What commands caused the problem . 2. What fsck reports (that is minix fsck not a TOS version!!!). 3. Any debugging output (if possible). 4. Your hardware , that is drive and driver software type and version of TOS. 5. Any other info you think may be useful. Any other kinds of comments are welcomed , such as patches , suggestions and flames (if you must ) . P.S. May I reiterate the comments in the docs , don't try using minix partitions unless you are sure you know what you are doing. If you think its a good idea to run TOS filesystem consistency checkers on minix partitions then you *don't* know what you are doing :-) ************************************************************ * Please send any replys to : * * olorin%tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk%ukacrl@any_non_uk_bitnet_site * * olorin%tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu * * Do not mail via ukc.ac.uk which is sometimes the default * ************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jun 91 18:16:19 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-serv er.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Salvador Pinto Abreu) Subject: More than 4 Meg ?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu dpg@cs.nott.ac.uk (Dave Gymer) writes: [...] Question is, what would you do with more than 4 meg on an ST running TOS (or MiNT). I've yet to exhaust 4 meg (even with GCC, MGR, and BASH. Emacs coming soon... :-) Aha! Once you start using Emacs you'll know what to do with more than 4M. Besides, it would come in handy for use with Minix. -- -- Salvador Pinto Abreu spa@fct.unl.pt Universidade Nova de Lisboa, PORTUGAL ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 91 08:09:53 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server. csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Unknown) Subject: PLEASE EMAIL ADDRESS TO PANARTHEA FILESERVER. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Title says it all. Thank you in advance. Bryan_Jones_Woodworth@cup.portal.com ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 91 04:47:29 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server. csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Unknown) Subject: Publishers (II) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Spend some time driving around downtown Windsor, Ontario in a van with Dave Small and other Atari developers... talk a little with Charles F. Johnson. Find out how close most developers are to losing everything they've sweated and bled to build up. Talk with magazine publishers and editors who can't pay their contributors because their advertisers are either out of business or can't afford to pay their advertising bills. Talk with dealers who have either gone out of business, losing most of their investments in the Atari market, or who have been forced to go on into other markets. Talk with current Atari dealers who can't get products to sell, so they can stay in business. Europe may be a different story, but in the U.S.A, Atari=dead. Hopeful signs 1-5 = too little, too late. I'm sorry, I don't like it either BobR ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jun 91 02:37:41 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news! toumon!wucc!ytsuji@arizona.edu (Y.Tsuji) Subject: Reading TOS/DOS formatted disk on a SparcStation To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Thanks. I have ftp'ed Mtools and read the manual. It is amazing! It says I'll be allowed to read/write MSDOS partitions on the hard disk. Now I have a query: Are my hard disk partitions in MSDOS format? I use a year old ICD software with TOS 1.4 and the partitions are ear-marked as TOS. Maybe I should ring ICD, but I don't like to ring at small hours. Tsuji ytsuji@cfi.waseda.ac.jp ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 91 09:32:33 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server. csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona.edu (Shoou-yu tang) Subject: ST User Virus! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just got a copy from local dealer, the Vkiller 3.84 checked it OK. Also checked the Uniterm that included on disk, here is some result: 1. Althought the date associated with the included Uniterm were some time in 87. While the Uniter2.0E02 from atari.archive has date 86. The file size is bigger in 2.0E. 2. The version # on the Uniterm upon boot up, the atari.archive one shown 2.0E and ST USER one shown 2.0C. 3. Once in the Help menu, pull down the Desk and look for the About ... shows\ 2.0E002 for atari.archive one and 2.0C014 for ST USER one. So it looks like the 2.0E on the Atari.archive is latest not the ST USER one. Tang sytang@lamar.colostate.edu ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 91 10:33:06 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news- server.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@arizona. edu (Juxtaposer) Subject: Unix for the TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May31.192058.10926@nntp.hut.fi> s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto) writes: >Unix System V Release 4 is available for TT. The package consists of >TT 030/8 or higher (16 Mb would be quite good), harddisk bigger than >200Mb (I'm not quite sure of this), X-Windows, TTM 194 19" MC-monitor >and a big bunch of software and manuals. >I don't know the exact price, but it is much lower than the NeXT Station, >and A 3000 & Unix SVR4. By a little? A lot? Is that only available in Europe/Canada or is that/ will that be available in the US too? > >Just checked, the harddisk is 200Mb, and there are also VME Ethernet network >card, OSF/Motif, and GNU package (with C, C++ etc.). > Are there extra card slots? If not, will there be some way of expanding past the 20MB limit (16TT + 4ST ram) since the slot would be taken up by the ethernet card? > >* Jari Lehto * 90-387939 * Jari.Lehto@hut.fi * Music, love & * >* Tenavatie 19 A* 90-382887 * jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi * friendship! * >* 00760 HELSINKI* 94040/02887 * jartsu@otax.hut.fi * Garlic, beer &* >* Finland * fax +358 0 8735916 * s37837k@saha.hut.fi * sausage! * I had a question for all the hardware gurus who know whats what about the TT - like Alan Pratt, etc. I know that the TT uses a daughter-board to use the TT "fast" memory, and that this board has chips that allow access of up to 16MB of memory. What I was wondering is, is this 16MB limit a limit due to the daughter-board, a limit of the TT, or just a limit of the TOS? For instance, would it be possible for a third party company (if Atari does't do it themselves) to manufacture a daughter-board that accesses more than the present 16MB? -Mike PS: Is the unix/TT the same hardware with the new software, or are there any hardware changes? New card slots? New ROMs (I had heard they couldn't run ST software _and_ run the Unix software)? ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 91 18:13:17 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!mintaka!bloom-beacon!e ru!hagbard!lunic!my!luth!d90-ngp@arizona.edu (Niklas Grip) Subject: Z-RAM made my drive go nuts! WHY!!?? UPDATE. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have upgraded my 1040 STFM to 4 megabytes with Z-RAM. My ST was one of those with soldered MMU-chip, so I let a proffessional do it for me. When I got my ST back I ran the test program. Geee, four megabytes and no complaints! I started to install Neodesk 3, reads files from one disk and started writing on another. Then suddenly the drive starts making noise. It sounds as if the drives' motor tries to move the head right through the side of the machine. Two dialog boxes explains that the drive does not answer and that the disk is full, although it has 800 kilobytes free!!! A couple of minutes later I con- clude that MY DRIVE READS AND FORMATS DISKS IN ALL POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS OF SECTORS AND TRACKS, TWISTED AND NOT TWISTED, FROM GEM, FROM NEODESK 2.05 AND FROM ALL PROGAMS THAT I HAVE BUT IT CANNOT WRITE MORE THAN A COUPLE OF KILO- BYTES ON ANY DISK!!! Now I am in desperate need of HELP!!! The proffessional will do his best to fix it, but it would probably go much faster if anyone have had this problem before and can give me any clue where to start dig. You cannot be to detailed. DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF A FEW MINUTES EXPERIMENTING =================================================== Equipment: 1040 STFM, monochrome monitor, Z-RAM and nothing more! Inside Neodesk 2.05: Trying to write to an empty disk formated before memory upgrade. Drive writes some 10 K, makes noise, dialog boxes sais: Drive not responding. Disk full. I cancel writing, "Show info..." sais more than 800 K free. Same test and same result again a couple of times. Formats disk in different ways, same test, same result. Try to load First Word +, Neodesk responds: An address error has occured (3 bombs). System register: d0: 00000800 a0: 000030C2 d1: FFFF0F0F a1: 00008092 d2: 00000027 a2: 00000000 d3: 00000000 a3: 0005DF08 d4: 00000000 a4: 0000313A d5: 00000000 a5: EB7E4A11 d6: 00000006 a6: 000015E2 d7: 00000006 a7: 00001592 ssp: 00001592 usp: 00060A40 instr: 3D6D sr: 2300={t:0 s:1 interrupt: 011 x:0 n:0 z:0 v:0 c:0} pc: 00FC60EA I pressed return, a fourth bomb showed up, all went black and the computer rebooted. I started Neodesk 2.05 again and then loaded 1st Word +, no problems! Loaded a rather large document, changed to empty disk and tried to save. Disk wrote some 10 seconds, then made that uggly noise again followed by dialog boxes telling drive don't answer and (the empty) disk full. I cancelled. Drive made noise, same boxes. Cancelled again etc. I reset the computer, made the 1st Word + test again from GEM, computer loads program and behaves as before. Loaded Calamus (from Neodesk), played around a little. Rubberband boxes some- times leave sides of the box unerased when changing size, in a way I never have seen before. "Show statistics" tell me that I have 3.3 meg free. Suddenly... 2 bombs! Crash is so hard that even Neodesk got stuck (never happened before). I GIVE UP. UPDATE: A few hours later I made another test: I tried copying files to a ram-disk (in GEM) and my ST bombed again. I restarted with the on/off button and tried again a couple of times. Each time two files were copied and then either one or two bombs showed up. _______________________________________________________________________________ | | | | | Niklas Grip | University of Luleaa | Some day I will | | Vallstensgatan 7 | Internet: d90-ngp@sm.luth.se | make some nice | | 951 59 Luleaa | Bitnet : d90-ngp%sm.luth.se@sekth | logo and remove | | SWEDEN |====================================| this damn text! | | Phone: 0920-26228 (international: +46 920 26228) | | ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************