Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 3 Jun 91 Volume 91 : Issue 311 Today's Topics: ATARI TT030 versus AT 386/33 MHz and 64KB Cache Color monitor for sale! For Sale Future Directions Gemini Standard Usages Hard disk booting Help with UUCP LHarc 1.13.21 Mega-2 Developers System ForSale More than 4 Meg ?? Neophyte question: what's Blitter? Personal Pascal 2 ST User Virus! Unix for the TT? WANTED: CAD 3-D 2.0 & Computer Eyes/Digispec formats What about comp.sys.atari.tt ???? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Jun 91 12:48:24 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.colum bia.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!faui09!rdjeline@ari zona.edu (Richard Jelinek) Subject: ATARI TT030 versus AT 386/33 MHz and 64KB Cache To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi all there ! I own an TT030/4 and I was very interested in the position of this machine in the computer-scene. A very good chance to find out, was the best friend's purchase of an AT (see above). He got the machine in pieces as an dealer for the price of 4200 DM. That's what the MESS-DOS has: * 1024 x 768 / 256 colors VGA * 120 MB AT-Bus HD * 386/33Mhz & 64 KB Cache * 4 MEG of RAM * DOS 4.x The technical Data of an TT should be known in this Group. OK here is the final truth: SUBJECT: TT-DATA: AT-DATA: Drystones 4885/7865(TT-Ram) 9811 Whetstones (no test-Programm) 170.1 Let's make an Stop here and look at this: The Drystone-Programm that we did run on the TT was written for the ST and did not use the special 68030 commands. The MESS-DOS has no FPU, so that point should be no problem. The next tests were little GFA-BASIC(!!) Programms. On the TT 3.6(TT) was used. On the AT 4.3(MS-DOS). First Programm: (all programms were run uncompiled. compiled all values would be factor 2 to 5 perhaps even more faster ...) 1 Million INT-ADDS 20/12 sec.(TT-Ram) 5.1 sec !! 10.000 TANGENS 0.805 sec 9.4 sec 10.000 SINUS 0.667 sec 5.8 sec GEM-Graphics (VDI)TT has NVDI 12 sec 27 sec GEM-Graphics (AES) 3 sec 8 sec From the TANGENS computing to the AES test you can divide the time by 1.6 if you wish to know the TT-time in the Fast-Ram. After 3 hours of testing and heavily exchanging opinions about the machines (he HAS 120 MB HD <-> i HAVE 512 KB ROM and better Sound) and so on, we stopped and played Eye of the Beholder on his AT. At 2 o'clock in the morning, when he went home, we decided, that both Machines are very very good (I think my is a little little bit better). By the way: we did the same test one year ago with the ST and an 10/12 Mhz 286. The result was the same. (The AT had AdLib Sound). That's all !! All TT-Users are welcome and I hope some want to contact me. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 18:56:41 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!crdgw1!gecrdvm1!syspmzt@arizona.edu Subject: Color monitor for sale! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Apologies for filling up the net, but I can't mail to this address (?...) Tony, If the monitor is still available, can you e-mail to my address or follow up here? I'm interested. Phil Z ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 21:50:00 GMT From: cleveland.Freenet.Edu!ab016@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Scotty Meredith) Subject: For Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Atari XG-1 (8bit) light gun with 2 carts for it, and another cart. $15 HP calculator, model 48SX, 1 month old, asking $250 ::: asking $600 for the setup below ::: Atari STe w/4 megs w/cables and manuals, mouse Mouse Master 50 disks (w/ and w/o software [PD]) Computer Keyskin Mouse Pad and Epyx 500XJ joystick reply to ab016@cleveland.Freenet.Edu ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 23:10:41 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis. pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu@arizona.edu (john c chu) Subject: Future Directions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, Currently, I own an unexpanded 520STfm with a total of 2 720K drives and believe it or not, for the moment anyways, it serves my needs fairly well. However, I'm thinking about the future and the possibility of outgrowing this machine (which has, allowing for some "trade-ins" from Atari, done everything I've needed it to do for the past 5 or 6 years) in the next few years. I will probably be doing much more "numerically intensive" computing work and some program development in the future as well TeXing reports and the like (which of course, right now I'm not doing on my 512K ST) along with the other "normal" applications. Anyway, the question is this: Should I save up to expand the memory up to 4 Megs, get a large hard disk and maybe replace the 8MHz 68000 with something else or is outgrowing this machine inevitable and I should save up for something else (perhaps a TT or some other sexy sounding UN*X box)? (In other words, by if I upgrade my ST, am I going to find myself having to abondon it anyway?) I know that I'm being difficult because I haven't been every specific about my situation. The only thing I'm sure about at this point is that I'm probably going to need more than my ST, as it currently stands, can deliver. Please reply by E-mail only!!! I do not want to start some sort of flame war, but I would like the advice of people who have perhaps already gone through this. So, please reply by E-mail only!!! If anyone is interested in the responses, write to me and I'll come up with a summary to mail back. Thanks... john chu@acsu.buffalo.edu ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 16:17:18 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmsw wu1c!onm07@arizona.edu (Julian F. Reschke) Subject: Gemini Standard Usages To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Jun1.214409.18541@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura) says: > This point has become sort of interesting. If you read >exactly what I said, it was a sort of a trick comment. Truth >is, I was being sarcastic. I did realize that they were using Please explain: for what reason did you WANT to be sarcastic? >it to define a search path for an empty 'cd' call. Truth is, >also that I really haven't seen CDPATH used personally (though >apparently it's 'csh' as well as 'ksh'. What I was getting >at though is that it's not classic Unix standard because 'sh' >simply looks for HOME. Though I'm starting to wonder now if >some versions of 'sh' might have been re-written to go either And BaSH, by the way... >way. But I was getting at a couple of points, albeit in retrospect, >in an overly cleverly manner. First, it's simply unnecessary. >If you think about the purpose of HOME and the purpose of CDPATH, >they are essentially duplcations of each other. Second, as I Wrong. $HOME is the home directory of the user. As long there is no multi-user GEMDOS, there really is no need for soemthing like that on the Atari. $CDPATH however is a _list_ of paths, used only for `cd'. And, finally: why don't you take a look in other shells like BaSH, which also have $HOME and $CDPATH. Why don't you send your sarcastic comments to Brian Fox. Why didn't you send constructive comments???? >pointed out earlier in my message, the Gemini team doesn't seem >to understand what HOME is for, and if they did, they would have >realized the unnecessary duplication. And I was hoping that >it would become clear, in a Zen sort of way that unnecessary >clutter in the environment is to be avoided. And also, as >I said in my earlier posting, if you don't get your standard uses >properly organized, you end up writing applications that look >in the wrong places for things. For example, if you have one >fellow using CDPATH and HOME for different purposes arbitrarily >and someone else somewhere else using them differently, you >could wind up with 2 applications that conflict. Like if >1 is looking for a '.signature' file in your HOME directory >which is '/usr/grp1/user1' but CDPATH is 'usr/projects/contract1'. >After all, if you have both then why not use them? Now if you're >going to *look* like you're copying Unix usages, then you better >be careful that you get some idea what standard usages really >are. And that may go beyond the manuals. Again: $HOME points to a directory, $CDPATH is similar to $PATH -- it's a list of paths. How _could_ they both be used for the same purpose? > > And I guess in this case I suggest that people simply >define CDPATH=${HOME} unless they have a really good reason not >to do so. And thinking about it, the best definition for the >CONSOLDIR (I think that's what it was called) is simply "." rather >than whatever they did (I think they set the console directory to >the GEMINI directory or something like that). > > But it was really sloppy of me. I rarely post things >so deliberately obscure, and frankly I just plain botched it. > In fact. >-- >Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 >lsuc!jimomura >Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 15:15:49 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net (Roger Sheppard) Subject: Hard disk booting To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1JUN91133124@vms.huji.ac.il> seran@vms.huji.ac.il writes: > Hi, > Please tell me if this is a good idea or are there better ones. > Recently I , in a very tired and uncarring state, put a program in my boot > drive c: of my hardisk. It was an ACC. When I rebooted the program caused > the computer to totaly crash. I am using desk manager so I was not too worried > and went into the ACC selection and unmarked this program. But it did not help. > The ACC still ran and still crashed the computer. After many hours of working > and trying to get rid of the program or around it in some way, I gave in to the > thought that I will have to reformat my hard drive. The next day I came up with > a simple, obvious idea which saved me. I only formatted drive c:. Then I put > in C: as a boot drive again and reloaded from my back-up which was almost fully > entact. > > I avoided losing all 60 megs but I also came up with a diff idea. Why not > partion the HD so that drive c: is the smallest amount of memory possible. > make it a boot up drive and stick _only_ desk manager there. Then make a drive > d: or whatever that will contain all the prg's and acc's that desk manager acceses. > Then if ever I get a program which kills on booting I can just format drive c: > and only need to restore desk manager. It sounds good to me, perhaps I am > wrong. Any ideas, suggestions, or comments would be appreciated. > > Also, what is the procedure of putting dos on the hardisk for pcditto? And > is there also a way to do the same for aladin? > > Thanks, > Eran.. > (please answer to my email adress bellow if possible as I cannot read the list > often) > > SERAN@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL Was the ACC set for Read Only ?? this could be one of your Problems. Also it would have been very easy to Delete the ACC from the Directory with a sector editor..there is a good PD, but Mono one thats called Monomone. -- *** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** *** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** *** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jun 91 19:11:17 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!mips!pacbell.com!ucsd!nosc!humu!pegasus !pilikia!northo@arizona.edu (Steve Northover) Subject: Help with UUCP To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I need some recommendations for a UUCP program which will allow me to use my Mega 2 to connect with another site to transfer mail and news. I have tried Rodney's UUCP modules version 1.18. Although the two machines successfully connected I got a message that the host expected a window size of 7 and a data size of 64. Then the connection terminated. Is there a simple fix for this or is there some other program available I can use? :x: :x :x -- Steve Northover {uunet,ucbvax,dcdwest}!ucsd!nosc!pilikia!northo Democracy is a form of government that substitutes election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few. --G.B. Shaw ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 05:24:00 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!i ra.uka.de!smurf!artcom0!hb.maus.de!hh.maus.de!Thomas_Quester@arizona.edu (Thomas Quester) Subject: LHarc 1.13.21 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The Version 1.13.21 of LHarc is available. It is now able to decode Archives from Unix, Webb and Strunk-Versions. You'll get this version if you send me a disk, an envelope and staps. (If you live out of germany, please select some nice stamps :-)) My address: Thomas Quester Lampenland 9 2050 Hamburg 80 Germany MauTau V 2.2c - Internisten sind eingeweihte fuer Eingeweide. (Net) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 13:57:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.w isc.edu!aplcen!boingo.med.jhu.edu!haven.umd.edu!umbc3.umbc.edu!gmuvax2!crouland @arizona.edu (Mr. Fusion) Subject: Mega-2 Developers System ForSale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For Sale: Full Atari Mega-2 ST Developers System Hardware: Mega-2 CPU SupraDrive 30 Meg Drive (30 Meg in 20mg case) SC1224 Colour Monitor SM124 Monochrome Monitor Monitor Master Star NX-10 Printer Golden Image Hi-Res Mouse Navarrone ST Sound Digitizer IMG Scan Print-Head Optical Scanner Software: Prospero Developers Toolkit Prospero C Prospero Fortran Prospero Pascal Mark Williams C Neural Network Construction Set GFA Basic 3.0 TimeWorks DTP TimeWorks SwiftCalc 1ST Word Plus CAD 3D 2.0 w/ CyberMate and Architect Design Disk Flash Shadow Circuit Maker I Circuit Maker II Captain Fizz Chrono Quest The King of Chicago TV Sports Football Star Trek (The Rebel Universe) Red Storm Rising Large PD Library Books: STart Collection 1986-1991 w/ disks Introducing the Atari ST (Abacus, #1) Atari ST Internals (Abacus, #2) Atari ST Gem Programmers Reference (Abacus, #3) Atari ST Machine Language (Abacus, #4) Atari ST Tricks and Tips (Abacus, #5 (2 copies!)) Atari ST Graphics and Sound (Abacus, #6) Atari ST Peeks and Pokes (Abacus, #8) Atari ST Basic to C (Abacus, #11) Atari ST 3D Graphics (Abacus, #12) ST Disk Drives: Inside and Out (Abacus, #13) Compute! ST series V1-3 (AES,VDI,TOS) Atari ST Applications Programming (Bantam) Programmers Guide to GEM (Sybex) C-Manship Complete (Clayton Walnum, ST Specific) Atari ST Developers Guides: GEM Programmers Guide V1. VDI GEM Programmers Guide V2. AES A Hitchhikers guide to the BIOS Engineering Hardware Specifications Rainbow TOS Release Notes MIDI Specifications 1.0 I would like to see $1500 for the entire system, primarily for the $$$K I have spent in software. I am sure it is unlikely that I will sell the system to one person, so I will collect offers and repost a parting-out sale once I have sold most of the components. Please email me at "crouland@gmuvax2.gmu.edu" ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 18:14:43 GMT From: crdgw1!gecrdvm1!syspmzt@uunet.uu.net Subject: More than 4 Meg ?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The implication I've heard is that I can only address 4 Meg with my 1040 STe. I've already upgraded to that point with 4 1-Meg SIMMS, and am wondering if, should memory prices drop in the future, I'll be able to expand with 4 2-Meg or 4 4-Meg SIMMS. Is there an architectural restriction limiting a 1040 STe to addressing 4 Meg, and if so, what is that restriction? Also, can anyone explain if and why I must add symetric amounts of memory in the SIMM slots? (eg 4 1-Meg, not 1 1-Meg and 3 256K, etc.) Thanks, Phil Z ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 13:48:17 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!mailgzrz! cs.tu-berlin.de!gerloff@arizona.edu (Olaf Gerloff) Subject: Neophyte question: what's Blitter? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May31.170349.15843@milton.u.washington.edu>, darkstar@milton.u.washington.edu (Alden Hackmann) writes: |> We are the very new (3 days) owners of an Atari 1040 STe. |> There is a toggle on the options menu for something called Blitter. |> The little manual has no reference to it at all. Can anyone enlighten |> us as to the meaning of this option? |> |> Thank you very much |> |> Alden F.M. Hackmann |> darkstar@milton.u.washington.edu |> |> "Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world." The Blitter is a kind of coprocessor for graphics. If you move a window on the screen or a dialog box will be drawn, then you must transfer a bit of memory from on memory location to another. This on can faster be done from the Blitter than from the 68000. The name stands for BitBlt chip. In the ST is a Line-A Routine called BitBlt. If you switch on the Blitter entry in the desktop, then this routine programms the Blitter. If you don't set that switch the routine will emulate the function of the Blitter in software. Greetings, Olaf -- ****************************************************************************** * Olaf Gerloff * Internet: GERLOFF@tubvm.cs.tu-berlin.de * * Technical University Berlin (FRG)* or gerloff@opal.cs.tu-berlin.de * * Department of Computer Science * BITNET : GERLOFF@DB0TUI11 * * Computerbased Informationsystems * Usenet : ...!mcsun!unido!opal!gerloff * ****************************************************************************** * Impossible things will be executed immediately, * * miracles take a little longer! * ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jun 91 11:00:28 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!keele!nott-cs!lut.ac.uk!elmar@uunet.uu.net (Mohammad A. Rahin) Subject: Personal Pascal 2 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Keywords: In article larserio@ifi.uio.no writes: >Personal Pascal 2 Question >"""""""""""""""""""""""""" >I just read that HiSoft is going to drop Personal Pascal 2 and as >a true Personal Pascal lover I wondered about some things that I >think someone out on the net migth help with: > [stuff deleted] > >I could ask HiSoft, but I won't switch to their new Pascal (to many >programs to convert and to expensive to buy a whole new system..) > You read it right. They are now selling High Speed pascal, a product from Denmark. This is introduced as compatible to Turbo Pascal 5.0 on the PC. Like Turbo Pascal it allows compilation to memory as well as to disk. Compilation speed is rated at about 20,000 lines per minute. The product comes with quite a few precompiled units that allow easy porting of Turbo Pascal programs from the PC to the ST platform. The price in UK for Version 1.1 is 99 pounds sterling (most likely to include VAT, value added tax at 17.5%). There is a special upgrade deal for the Personal Pascal users. Contact Hisoft or their dealer for deatils. All the above information are from Hisoft's brochure and I am no way connected to Hisoft. >Any help would be great !!!! I hope the above information would be useful to you. > > Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________ > Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST >__________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association - Rahin ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 07:57:52 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!edcastle!hwcs!neil@uunet.uu.net (Neil Forsyth) Subject: ST User Virus! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May31.130524.5964@actrix.gen.nz> Roger.Sheppard@actrix.gen.nz (Roger Sheppard) writes: >In article <3100@odin.cs.hw.ac.uk> neil@cs.hw.ac.uk (Neil Forsyth) writes: >> You'll also find an illegal (very!) copy of NEOchrome on there too. >> About now you'll all be saying "Why does this guy keep going on about >> NEOchrome?". Well the answer is I would like it to be PD officially but >> Atari seem disinterested. >> > >I think you will find it is not a illegal copy, its a demo >version, NEOchrome Version 0.5 It's not version 0.5 that is on the ST User disk. It's a disassembled/decompiled version 1.0 that has been improved, rebuilt and called version 2.10 by a hacking group called Chaos. That's illegal because version 1.0 is not PD and so is taking a copyrighted program apart. Now if NEOchrome was made completely PD by Atari then I guess there would be no problem. >*** Roger W. Sheppard * Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz *** >*** 85 Donovan Rd * * At least I don't Flicker, not *** >*** Kapiti New Zealand.. * like a dying light globe. ! *** +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own ! ! ! ! Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs ! ! Dept. of Computer Science ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk ! ! Heriot-Watt University UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil ! ! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK "That was never 5 minutes!" ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 19:46:22 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!menudo.uh.edu!rc te2p@arizona.edu (Paul S. Sears) Subject: Unix for the TT? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu cmp8157@sys.uea.ac.uk (S.M. Sowerby) boldy writes in article <1249@sys.uea.ac.uk> >s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto) writes: > >>Unix System V Release 4 is available for TT. The package consists of >>TT 030/8 or higher (16 Mb would be quite good), harddisk bigger than >>200Mb (I'm not quite sure of this), X-Windows, TTM 194 19" MC-monitor >>and a big bunch of software and manuals. >>I don't know the exact price, but it is much lower than the NeXT Station, >>and A 3000 & Unix SVR4. Much lower than a NeXT? What, are you talking about the NeXT Color Workstation with 32bit color? >> >>Just checked, the harddisk is 200Mb, and there are also VME Ethernet network >>card, OSF/Motif, and GNU package (with C, C++ etc.). >> >>My personal opinion is that you should get a harddisk of at least 400Mb and >>minimum 16Mb of total RAM to run this Unix well enough (=fast enough). >> >>A friend of mine told me that his Unix workstation has a 1.2Gb hd and it is >>just about enough... But it has it's own nntp package and mail handler. > >The information I have (from a UK magazine) is: > >Standard Unix-TT : TT030/8-210 (i.e. 8Mb RAM,210Mb hard disk) with > Unix 5.4, X-Windows (can't remember version no), > OSF/Motif, GNU package, TTM-194 19" monitor. > Price = $4000 US I can get a NeXTstation (mono) here with a 106M HD, 2.88M Floppy, 19" Mono (crisp) monitor, Mach OS, X-windows, AND ethernet for $3K with my student discount. Now, if Atari offered a student discount, then, your claim that the TT is "much lower" than the NeXT might be valid... [rest deleted] > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Steve Sowerby, (cmp8157@s1.uea.ac.uk) >School of Information Systems, >University of East Anglia, Btw, I am die hard Atari... just I don't like people making statements that are not supported very well... -- * Paul Sears * Technology *** |"The greater an individual's power * The University of Houston *** | over others, the greater the evil that * RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu * * * | might possibly originate with him." * RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 18:33:02 GMT From: ogicse!ucsd!sdcc6!sdcc13!gknauss@uunet.uu.net (G. "Maddog" Knauss) Subject: WANTED: CAD 3-D 2.0 & Computer Eyes/Digispec formats To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anybody have a listing of the CAD 3-D file format? (And I'm still looking for the Computer Eyes 24-bit raw format, as well.) I looked at atari.archive, but couldn't find any information... Any help will get my first child named after you. OK, OK. I'm just kidding... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg "Maddog" Knauss "Aiee!" gknauss@sdcc13.ucsd.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 91 13:24:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!fa uern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!faui09!rdjeline@arizona.edu (Richard Jelinek) Subject: What about comp.sys.atari.tt ???? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hugh !!! I hate to look for TT-Articles in this Group as for Nuggets. Although there is some thrill when I find one (both Nugget and the holy TT letters), I would prefer an own group for this Machine. Archimedes has one too and there are not so many User ??!! ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************