Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 30 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 302 Today's Topics: 'only_ste.lzh' : -) (was: Re: Mega STe Question (or Problems)) detecting GDOS and using vst_load_fonts Green Goblin Virus Hard Drive question IMG gormat Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts? (2 msgs) Lattice C Legal action against STrabble game. (2 msgs) Mega ST for sale! Milwaukee Area ST User Group please reply to this. favorite dealer listing. Problems using GDOS and ha Questions on Desktop/Environment ST User Virus! (3 msgs) ST World (UK) (was Re: Publishers (II)) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 May 91 02:29:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server. csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura) Subject: 'only_ste.lzh' To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I don't know what's going on here. After receiving the 26 uuencoded parts I tested the 'only_ste.lzh' file with 'fstlzh20' and it passed. So I unpacked the files and it turns out to be 'msa.prg' and 'only_ste.msa'. Ok. So I ran the 'msa' program and in theory I unpacked the disk. It turns out that on that "huge" disk there were only a few files, none of which was all that big. Is this some kind of joke? I think I could repackage all the relevant files in a single LZH file of about 40K. I've passed the disks on to a fellow who works at a store that sells STEs and he's going to report back to me around the end of the week. Has anybody finished testing this thing? -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 17:47:00 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!lsuc!jimomura@uunet.uu.net (Jim Omura) Subject: : -) (was: Re: Mega STe Question (or Problems)) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May29.110338.1580@urz.unibas.ch> hofer@urz.unibas.ch (Remo Hofer) writes: >In article <1991May28.114007.22430@informatik.uni-erlangen.de>, >csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes: >> >> ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) writes: >>>Jerry Pournelle in his 'review' in Byte also commented on this delay. He >>>made it seem like his TT waited for several minutes however. >> >> Which sheds some light on the way he likes to test gadgets. He would only >> have to press any key... > Actually, I would have done exactly the same thing he did. On any complex system you never know if it's fully debugged. If you hit a key during boot, and there's a bug, you might just cause a crash. There's no way to know. Unless told otherwise, the safest thing to do while a system is trying to boot and just sit there and stare at the screen. >But where is any key located on your keyboard? I couldn't find it on mine. :-) Well it's only on the North American versions. ;-) -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 21:09:58 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com !spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve.Yelvington) Subject: detecting GDOS and using vst_load_fonts To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu (This is a repost ... because of a configuration error, the original may not have achieved the distribution I had intended.) --- I'm having trouble figuring out how to use an alternate font to draw text in a GEM window. I presume I need to check for the existence of GDOS before calling vst_load_fonts, but how? I'm also getting three bombs when calling vst_load_fonts, with AMCLITE installed and ASSIGN.SYS set up properly (or at least well enough that GEMINI doesn't complain). I'd like to install Gemini 9 pt inside an application program. Do I need to search for "Gemini 9 pt" in the data returned by vqt_name() or do I search for the filename "BAGE09.FNT"? Code fragment follows: open_vwork() { int i; char tmpln[80]; handle = graf_handle( &char_w, &char_h, &box_w, &box_h); for( i=0; i<10; work_in[i++] = 1 ); work_in[10] = 2; v_opnvwk( work_in, &handle, work_out); fonts_loaded = work_out[10]; sprintf(tmpln,"[1][There are %d|fonts available][OK]",fonts_loaded); form_alert(1,tmpln); /* note: it tells me I have one font available */ fonts_loaded = vst_load_fonts(handle,2); /* BOOM! Three big ones and we go no further */ sprintf(tmpln,"[1][After vst_load_fonts,|there are %d|fonts available][OK]",fonts_loaded); form_alert(1,tmpln); if (fonts_loaded > 1) set_font(); } set_font() { /* Wouldn't it be nice if there were a font selector like the file selector? (Volunteers?) */ int i,fontindex; char fontname[32]; char *p = "BAGE09.FNT"; /* or should it be "Gemini 9"? */ if (form_alert(2,"[1][Load BAGE09.FNT?][Yes|No]") == 2) return; for (i=0;i jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura) writes: >In article blackbox@pfunk.hanse.de writes: >>In , LarsErikOsterud writes: >>1 word pixel width in microns (1/1000 mm, 25400 microns per inch) >>1 word pixel height in microns > > Does most software actually take this into account for anything >or can you leaave the pixel dimension 0? I've talked to several other Atari developers who _do_ use this information. Applications that print image files especially need to know the pixel size. --Steve >-- >Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 >lsuc!jimomura >Byte Information eXchange: jimomura -- Steve Whitney - UCLA CS Grad Student (())_-_(()) Soon to be working at Silicon Graphics | (* *) | Internet: stephen@cs.ucla.edu UCLA Bruin--> { \_@_/ } GEnie: S.WHITNEY `-----' ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 20:55:43 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu .edu!uafhp!engr!jdp@arizona.edu (Dalton Porter) Subject: Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu acook@athena.mit.edu (Andrew R Cook) writes: >I have some code that I wrote that will get rid of all the crap in catted >together uuencoded files. Usually I just pipe the output to uudecode, but you >can indirect it to a file if you like. It seems to work fine, I haven't had any >problems. If you want it, email me, and I'll send it out (source). > >Andy Coook >acook@athena.mit.edu If this one isn't sufficient let me know and I'll send you mine. Combine file0? --> one output file that's decoded. Dalton Porter jdp@engr.uark.edu ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 91 03:52:20 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv 1!watmath!ljdickey@arizona.edu (L.J.Dickey) Subject: Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes: >Sorry, I do not understand this shell script. Don't all versions of >Dumas' uud strip extraneous headers and trailers from uuencoded files? >The problem arises with all the nonstandard decoders/encoders that >exist. Ralph is right. One does not need such a complicated script. UUD will ignore the parts that it does not need. It jumps from the "include", past the mail or news header, and straight to the next "begin" line. A good command line might be like this: cat somebigf.u?? | uud Silvert's adaptation of the Dumas' code is great. Highly recommended. -- Prof L.J. Dickey, Faculty of Mathematics, U of Waterloo, Canada N2L 3G1 internet: ljdickey@watmath.UWaterloo.ca BITNET/EARN: ljdickey@watdcs obsolescent?: ljdickey@watmath.waterloo.edu UUCP: ljdickey@watmath.UUCP ..!uunet!watmath!ljdickey ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 91 00:40:58 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!well!f h@arizona.edu (Fabian Hahn) Subject: Lattice C To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu > I have been offered a 2nd hand copy of Lattice C version 5. >Unfortunately the registration card has been sent in. Does >anybody know what Lattice' policy is regarding transfer of >registration (for updates and such)? Goldleaf Publishing is now representing HiSoft in the US. The policy for reregistering current users of HiSoft products has not been finalizes jet. I suspect there will be a small $$ amout to get access to tech-support and upgrades. The number for Goldleaf is 415/257-3510 Fabian ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 21:21:57 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!vsnyder@arizona.edu (Van Snyder) Subject: Legal action against STrabble game. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May29.195434.16735@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes: >If Scrabble were a game no one cared about any more (like Pacman), I'm >sure this wouldn't even be an issue. The problem comes when a >shareware author copies a game that still has sales potential. The big >bombshell in this area is of course Tetris. It's a simple concept that >is unbelievably easy to implement. Easier, even, than Pacman. Since >it's so easy, it's been copied all across creation. But this does >indeed affect sales of the official versions, and sure enough, Spectrum >Holobyte (supposedly) attempted to kill all the shareware versions of >Tetris for the Amiga. (Perhaps an Amiga owner will correct me if it >wasn't Spectrum Holobyte.) > >To see things from the other side, ponder this: How would you feel if >you'd come up with the idea for Tetris, written the game and put it out >there (commercially), only to come across equally good PD rip-offs of >YOUR game idea? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the original Tetris WAS PD, and the folks that have been making money on high-quality professional implementations don't deserve a copyright on the original innovation. -- vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov ames!elroy!jato!vsnyder vsnyder@jato.uucp ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 22:56:22 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wi sc.edu!ra!uvaarpa!murdoch!astsun.astro.Virginia.EDU!gl8f@arizona.edu (Greg Lindahl) Subject: Legal action against STrabble game. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May29.212157.27603@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> vsnyder@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Van Snyder) writes: >Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the original Tetris WAS PD, and the >folks that have been making money on high-quality professional implementations >don't deserve a copyright on the original innovation. As usual, you're wrong. I'd be happy to tell you in email, but you don't seem to like receiving email from people who tell you you're wrong. Freedom of stupidity, I guess. Your loss. The rights to Tetris are owned by a Russian company who sells it to various other companies. I recall a court case recently in which Nintendo forced Tengen (a subsid. of Atari Games, which isn't related to Atari Corporation anymore) to stop selling a Tetris game. Nintendo had licensed it directly from the Rusians, while Tengen had sub-licensed it from a British company who owned the "home computer" rights. ------------------------------ Date: 30 May 91 00:03:20 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!xanth!cs.odu.edu!cwc@ari zona.edu (Chris Carpinello) Subject: Mega ST for sale! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For immediate sale: Atari Mega 2 ST with TOS version 1.04 and a Tweety Board installed. Only $600! --I'll ship it for free to anywhere in the continental US via UPS-- ============================================================================== Chris Carpinello (cwc@xanth.cs.odu.edu) /// Peace, Love, and NO CENSORSHIP "Of all possible worlds, we only got one, we got to ride on it"__Grateful Dead ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 18:55:30 GMT From: mixcom!baaa02@uunet.uu.net (Theresa Krofta) Subject: Milwaukee Area ST User Group To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The Milwaukee Area ST User Group (M.A.S.T.) will be sponsoring an Atari Swapfest on June 2nd, 1991 in Milwaukee, WI. We wish to thank the following developers and vendors for committing to attend the show: Apple Annie Branch Always Software Compu-Seller West Dennis Palumbo Fonts G.K. Enterprises ICD Innovative Concepts Kolputer Systems Komtech Micro Magic MissionWare Software M-S Designs Paper Express SKware One Taylor Ridge Books Timeworks Toad Computers Touch Technologies Other User Groups that will be attending; LCACE MAAUG GCACE RACC M.A.S.T. also will have two tables set-up for selling used equipment both for our members and on a commission basis. There will be the new TT and Mega STe computers at the show. I have been assured that both machines are also for sale at the show. We also will have the new Atari Coupon Books And Catalogs from E. Arthur Brown Available to the attendees. We hope that you will be able to join us in Milwaukee for this show. We will be updating this notice as we have more information. Ticket cost is two dollars in advance, three dollars at the door. If you need a hotel, please contact one of the following; Hampton Inn (414) 466-8881 (limited double rooms) Budgetel Inns (414) 535-1300 (single rooms only) If you have any questions please feel free to call (414)463-9662. Thank You Bruce Welsch President ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 14:54:23 GMT From: hpl-opus!hpspdra!freds@hplabs.hp.com (Fred Saavedra) Subject: please reply to this. favorite dealer listing. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I don't have a favorite, BUT Microworld alias ZEPHR in Berkley CA is not so hot. ------------------------------ Date: 28 May 91 11:53:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia .edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!artcom0!hb.maus.de!ms.maus.de!Patrick_Dubbrow@arizona.edu (Patrick Dubbrow) Subject: Problems using GDOS and ha To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Steve Hamley steveh @ tharr.UUCP wrote: >One common problem I've found is that GDOS (both AMC and Atari flavours) >require the fonts and graphic device drivers to be on the same drive as >GDOS. Sorry, but that's wrong. F.E.: My bootpartion is C:. Timeworks DTP is installed on partition E: with all its fonts and device drivers. There is no problem to run AMCGDOS, Atari-GDOS or NVDI-GDOS. Patrick ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 15:41:40 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu !ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus Brod) Subject: Questions on Desktop/Environment To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu tnzoerne@faui09.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Thorsten Zoerner) writes: >PATH=\0 (\0 means Nul-Char) >C:\\\0 (\\ means Backslash) >\0\0 >trash... Normal behavior. Ignore the \0 after PATH, this is really _one_ environment string. >Is there any way to reckognize from out of an Accessory if the >aktual process is the Desktop (when receiving an acc_open) ? No legal way, unfortunately. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Claus_Brod@wue.maus.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 13:20:15 GMT From: waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@decwrl.dec.com (Roger Sheppard) Subject: ST User Virus! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May28.202555.16251@lsuc.on.ca> jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura) writes: > In article <10099@suns2.crosfield.co.uk> imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor) writes: > >(This is probably only of interest to UK netters, although I believe ST User > >magazine is available internationally by mail order) > > > I looked at from the Net recently was this "only_ste.lzh" sound > demo package. Now this is a strange package with what seems to > be a whole disk compressed into an ".MSA" file which in turn was > LHARC'd. I unpacked this kit just this morning. When I unpacked > the disk I used the MSA.PRG auto-formatting command. It seems to > me that this method of packaging might allow for transporting of > boot sector or other viruses. Has anybody else unpacked this demo > kit recently? > -- > Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 > lsuc!jimomura > Byte Information eXchange: jimomura I have just checked, it does have a executable boot sector, but its for checking if you are using a Mono Monitor. ie. it gives a warning if not -- Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 91 20:17:44 EDT From: dshorr@lynx.northeastern.edu Subject: ST User Virus! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The Green Goblin Virus came from an earlier ST User diskette(I forget which month); they had a killer for it included in their next issue. Unfortunately it wrote itself onto the boot sector of my SOB game(that's Shadow of the Beast if you didn't know) before I noticed. I was very surprised how many disks it found its way onto! Dave Shorr ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 11:52:08 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!linus! philabs!ttidca!woodside@arizona.edu (George Woodside) Subject: ST User Virus! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <10099@suns2.crosfield.co.uk> imt@crosfield.co.uk (ian taylor) writes: >Has anyone had problems with this months (June) ST User cover disk? >I think that there is a free virus included on the coverdisk, which mangled >the directory of two of my disks before I eradicated it. This is the second >time that ST User has done this, and frankly I am bloody unimpressed. Anyone >who's got this disk, beware. And, anyone who's got the disk and VKILLER, please capture the virus and forward a copy to me. If it is indeed trashing disks, then it's different from the virus that went out the first time. -- * George R. Woodside - Citicorp/TTI - Santa Monica, CA * * Path: woodside@ttidca.tti.com * * or: ..!{philabs|csun|psivax}!ttidca!woodside * ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 19:43:58 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!dcl-cs!gdt!brispoly!gould2!aj_taylo@uunet.uu.net (taylor) Subject: ST World (UK) (was Re: Publishers (II)) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu NOTE ST World Issue 54 Quarter 1 1991 DOES NOT EXIST. ST World is currently being given away with Atari ST User as was very thin this last issue. It is intended to re-launch ST World as a separate magazine at an unspecified later date -- Andy Taylor, Bristol Polytechnic, UK "... and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, 'cos there's bugger all down here on Earth." Monty Python's Meaning Of Life E&OE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 May 91 21:24:24 +0200 From: Hawkeye To: Info-Atari16 <@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk:Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu> unsubscribe cs1cp@unix1.hatfield.ac.uk Very very quickly!!!! ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************