Info-Atari16 Digest Thu, 23 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 291 Today's Topics: AIM offer to STart subscribers Atari.archive monthly posting Calamus Printer I/O redirection FixGDOS (Was: STree from comp.binaries.atari.st) FTP Beginner's Guide GemView and TOS 1.0 (1.2) How to upload to atari.archive or comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st Latest Atari hard disk formatter/partitioner? MV16/BAT/soundtrackers... TT memory US Spectre 128 Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 May 91 04:39:11 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!hobbes.physics.uiowa.ed u!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!news.iastate.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!midway!clout!chinet !saj@arizona.edu (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: AIM offer to STart subscribers To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Not to minimize what's involved in putting out a magazine, AIM is not exactly in the league STart was trying to play in. I'd personally put it at about the level of professionalism Current Notes was at when it first hit national distribution. Perhaps it will follow the same upward path. But anyway, the press release that prompted this struck me as real real strange. Steve ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 11:05:50 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.e du!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner) Subject: Atari.archive monthly posting To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Welcome to atari.archive.umich.edu This is the monthly posting from the umich atari posse. We hope it will answer some of those nagging questions that always seem to pop up from time to time. If you have any additional suggestions, please mail them to me, at weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu. 1: How do I use BART? Now that BART is back on-line again, you can get bart help by mailing atari@atari.archive.umich.edu and include the word 'help' in the body of the message. This doesn't mean you have to send mail Jon or I. 2: How can I connect via FTP? If you are interested in ftp, I recently wrote a beginner's guide. Please mail me and I will send you a copy. I'll post it every once in a while too. 3: What if my machine doesn't support name service? Two things to do here:1) Demand that your sys-admin install it soon, and 2) use the internet address 141.211.164.8 4: I can't download because my hard drive doesn't work and my modem goes out sometimes and .....HELP!!! Sorry, outside of the archive I really can't help you....Your best bet is to find someone at your site with a similar set-up, or post to c.s.a.st for advice. 5: HEY! Your index is much better than it used to be!!! HEY! I know! We've added text descriptions and a whole lot more! To top that off, the index will now be updated instantaneously. No more waiting for me to get off my butt and do it.... If you have noticed any errors, or have any suggestions or descriptions of files please mail them to me!! 6: When I try to FTP to the archive's host, I get a message saying that my machine wasn't recognized and I wasn't allowed to log in. What's up? We only accept ftp logins from recognized hosts. If you are not allowed to log in, please try again. It is possible that the DNS took a bit too long. If you are still denied access, ask your sys-admin to fix your name servers. 7: Here's a question for you Jeff, how come I can't use 'ftp terminator.cc.etc' any more to connect? That's because you're not using atari.archive.umich.edu like we told you to. In the near future, terminator.cc.umich.edu will change it's name. Don't say we didn't warn you....... There are a few files you'll really like to have: archivers/arc602.arc : The latest version of arc archivers/zoo.arc : The classic archive program archivers/compress.zoo : Useful for removing .Z from sounds and binaries archivers/unlzh11.arc : Unpacks .lzh files archivers/sttar.arc : Removes those nasty .tar extenders THEY ARE CONTAINED IN THE SELF EXTRACTING ARCHIVE starter.tos!!! PLEASE USE IT! Thanks to everyone who has uploaded anything lately..... Interesting things this month: 1. We will be posting the New0 fiel every week now. Hope you all love this. This should eliminate the need to ftp overseas to check for new stuff. 2. I also put up a ls-lR.Z version of the index for anyone who wants it. This will be updated periodically. BART PROBLEMS: Common Error for the month of May: BE SURE TO CHECK YOUR SPELLING!!! PLEASE NOTE: FTP service is a privelege, not a right! Please make a supreme effort to keep heavy FTP use in off-time hours (i.e. after 5 pm EST but before 8 am EST). Any ideas, questions, comments, etc. to me, weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu -- Jeff Weiner --- weiner@{{sklyab,felix}.engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 08:34:52 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!olivea!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru !hagbard!sunic!ugle.unit.no!lise.unit.no!stigvi@arizona.edu (Stig Vidar Hovland) Subject: Calamus Printer I/O redirection To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May22.020619.28195@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au>, s883334@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au (James Alan Hall) writes: |> |> Are there any utilities (preferrably public domain or shareware) to |> intercept Calamus' printer output and direct it into a file instead ? |> Calamus supports the HP Laser, but I have to go elsewhere to use this |> printer. I need to be able to save the output Calamus sends to the port |> and later on send it straight through to the HP Laser on another computer. Calamus 1.09 writes directly to the port instead of using OS calls, so I suppose it will be very hard to redirect printer output to a file. Stig Vidar Hovland - stigvi@lise.unit.no ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 07:37:14 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!msi.umn.edu!math .fu-berlin.de!unido!laura!exunido!haacke@arizona.edu (Ralf Haacke) Subject: FixGDOS (Was: STree from comp.binaries.atari.st) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Some programs don't run with GDOS, because this programs call v_opnvwk() or v_opnwk() with handle 0. Also programs compiled with OMIKRON-basic have this problem: "Invalid handle". FixGDOS fix this problem: F I X - G D O S =============================================================== >>>> PUBLIC - DOMAIN <<<< This Program FIX_GDOS.PRG fix the problem with unvalid VDI handle's by using GDOS, AMSGDOS or NVDI and a unclean programming. No more: "!!!!! Invalid GDOS Handle !!!!!" 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You can do this by issuing the 'ftp atari.archive.umich.edu' command. You should then see something like this: Connected to atari.archive.umich.edu. 220 atari.archive.umich.edu FTP server (Version 4.169 Wed Jan 2 17:03:56 EST 199 1) ready. Name (yourhost.domain.edu:yourusername): At this prompt you'll want to type 'anonymous'. On some hosts, the word 'guest' will work, but 'anonymous' is always a sure bet. If you don't see this login prompt, but instead get something like 'Our host was unable to trace a name back to (some internet address). We only accept ftp from properly registered hosts', then you'll have to ask your sys-admin to properly register your machine in its name servers. There's nothing we can do on this end, so please don't bother asking. Also, if your machine doesn't allow you to specify the atari.archive name, try using out internet address : 141.211.164.8 Then, march down to your sys-admins office and ask him to install name-service. Your life will become much easier. Assuming you recieved the above prompt, you'll then be asked for a password. Use your mail address. For example, I would use 'weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu' Part 2: Basic Commands Once you're logged on, there's a few basic commands you'll want to know about. ls : lists the names of files of sub-directories in a directory. ls -C : Lists the files horizontally, instead of vertically. ls -F : Lists filenames, but adds a / to the end of directory names. dir : does the same thing as ls, but is needed on some other machines ls -l : A verbose listing of files. Includes permissions, filesize, etc. cd : changes directories (i.e. 'cd atari' would put you in the atari area) cd .. : Goes 'back up' a directory, to the one you came from. This from redmond@IUS4.IUS.CS.CMU.EDU: For more than one argument to ls, use double quotes. Eg. ls "-FC *.lzh" These are about all you need to get moving around the archive. Part 3: Getting the Goddies The main reason you want to ftp in the first place is to quickly transfer files. More often than not, you'll want to transfer the files from the archive to your account. You can do this using the following commands: First, find the file you want to download. Second, issue the command 'type binary'. This tells our machine that you'll be transferring a binary file. This is really important. You'll waste a LOT of time if you download files that were not transferred in binary mode. Third, issue this command 'get '. This will instruct the archive host to send to your account. The last thing you'll want to do is use the 'quit' command. This tells our machine you're no longer interested in ftping files, and would like to go back to your command prompt. Now, you'll need to download your files from your mainframe(sparc, whatever) to your ST. Usually you'll want to use either kermit or x- or y- or z-modem protocals. They're very reliable. I'd be quite hesitant to try something else. Also, your machine and ST are usually unique to you. This means that I really can't help you with this part. You could try asking, but I'm going to promise anything. Part 4: A Few Words on Net Ettiquette Net Ettiquette is something that every net user should be aware of. Relating to ftp, and our archive, it is essentially this: 1) Try to keep ftp usage to an absolute minimum during business hours, in our time zone. That would be 9 am to 5 pm , EST. This roughly means upload or download one file or so and little else during these hours. After 5pm, have a blast. Go nuts. We probably won't mind nearly as much..... Otherwise, we will drive to your campus or place of work (even if you live in Europe) and we'll kick youe butt. Or, Jon will sing Prince songs to you. Whichever you'd like the least. 2) If you have a question about some aspect of ftp service or some other area of your computer, please ask around at your site first. Don't immediately fire off all of your questions to us. I don't mind answering questions about the archive, problems with logging in, or something similar. But I tend to get upset when people ask me questions like, "Jeff, how come I can't get the fgrep command to work properly on my sparc station...." 3) Please try to upload files that you know the archive doesn't have. I know it's not the greatest thing to do, but if you can find time to download stuff, I think you can find time to return the favor and upload things also. If you have any reasonable questions, any comments or concerns, etc. please mail them to me, weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu. Thanks, weiner -- Jeff Weiner --- weiner@{{sklyab,felix}.engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 07:41:39 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!msi.umn.edu!m ath.fu-berlin.de!unido!laura!news@arizona.edu (News account) Subject: GemView and TOS 1.0 (1.2) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu From: haacke@exunido.uucp (Ralf Haacke) Path: exunido!haacke The newest version of GemView (1.0.4) now runs with TOS 1.0 and TOS 1.2. SORRY FOR THIS BUG. Next in atari.archive or send my a mail to get the program -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dieter Fiebelkorn | With a rubber duck, :-) | | fiebelko@petra.informatik.uni-dortmund.de | one's never alone. :~{ | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 11:07:32 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.cc. umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner) Subject: How to upload to atari.archive or comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Uploading to Atari.archive.umich.edu and Posting to comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st By Jeff Weiner, Atari.archive Guardian How to upload to atari.archive.umich.edu: There are two main ways to upload to the archive: FTP or mail 1: FTP - This is the preferred method, as it doesn't clog my mailbox with megs and megs of stuff, not to mention it's a bit easier for you too. Logon to the archive as usual, then issue the following commands cd type binary put filename.ext mail weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu .... "Hey Jeff, I just uploaded this..." This last step is very important. As we're now integrating the index with text and the ls -lR listing, descriptions and an address to send questions to are key. Ed Krimen, ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu, adds this: For those that may not know, may I add that, for aesthetic effects, if you enter "hash," before you "put filename.ext" or "get filename.ext," the ftp program will display a # for every 1024 bytes sent or received. Actually, when you 'put' a file, it will display bunch of # at once. Moreover, if you enter "bell," it will sound your system bell when a function has completed. Finally, you can send and receive a list of files using the "mput" and "mget" commands, respectively, with a list of the files after the command. 2: MAIL - This is a bit slower for you and for me, but is still very effective. Simply uuencode the file, (please split it into parts and mail the result to weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu. Please name the parts in the subject line. This is really helpfull as the parts usually don't arrive in the proper sequence. Also, please include a message labeled file transmission, containing a short description of the file, etc. Shar files are also acceptable, but I prefer the uuencoded. And for those of you who would like to see your binaries and sources appear in comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st, the following is taken from Steve Grimm's Introduction to Binaries and Sources: Subject: Submitting binaries for publication Items intended for posting or queries and problem notes should be sent to atari-binaries@panarthea.ebay.sun.com. If you are on a UUCP-only site, you can send them to {backbone}!sun!ebay!panarthea!atari-binaries. If you're in Europe, you can send binaries to the European submoderator, Jan-Hinrich Fessel, at unido!atari-binaries (or, if you're a masochist, atari-binaries@unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de.) He will test them and forward them to me. Submitting to him saves net bandwidth, so it's encouraged. If you want verification of arrival, so say in a cover note, or at the beginning of your submission, if it is small. I try to verify that a program works, and if I can't get it to work, I may hold up posting it for a couple of days. Please note that, except in rare cases, software without documentation will not be published. The backlog from receipt to posting varies from one to four weeks depending mostly on the set of submissions currently in my queue. If you are submitting both sources and binaries, PLEASE send the two separately. If I have to separate your sources from your binaries by hand, your submission will most likely sit on the back burner for a while. Also, as of volume 8, I will only accept binaries packed with an archiver for which source code is widely available. For the time being, this pretty much means arc, zoo, and lharc. If you want to use a nifty new archiver, make the source code available to the public (posting to comp.sources.atari.st is fine.) I reserve the right to repack binaries with another archiver if the other archiver saves a significant amount of space, or has other advantages. If you're submitting a demo of a commercial program, or a shareware program, please keep the amount of advertising to an absolute minimum. The net gods become angry when people try to use the net as a free advertising medium, and I'd like to keep comp.binaries.atari.st out of trouble. If you want to solicit orders, do it in a README file or an About... dialog box, not in a message that comes up every time the user does something. In other words, treat the net like a PBS station (apologies to those outside the US.) I will not accept programs which I feel are excessively commercial. I'm aware that commercial demos and shareware are often very useful (to the users on the net,) which is why I allow them at all. Subject: Submitting source for publication Items intended for posting or queries and problem notes should be sent to atari-sources@panarthea.ebay.sun.com. If you are on a UUCP-only site, you can send them to sun!ebay!panarthea!atari-sources. In Europe, send your submissions to Jan-Hinrich Fessel, the European submoderator of the group, at unido!atari-sources (or, if you're a masochist, atari-sources@unido. informatik.uni-dortmund.de.) If you want verification of arrival, so say in a cover note, or at the beginning of your submission, if it is small. I try to verify that a program works, and if I can't get it to work, I may hold up posting it for a couple of days. Please note that, except in rare cases, source without documentation will not be published. The backlog from receipt to posting varies from one to four weeks depending mostly on the set of submissions currently in my queue. I prefer that you submit sources and binaries separately, as it's a pain to separate them, and such submissions are invariably placed on the back burner. Sources should be submitted in the same format as binaries -- uuencoded arc, zoo, or lzh files. Please use Pierre Dumas' "uue" program if possible, as it can correct some common transmission errors. Split long submissions up into reasonable (less than 50K) chunks. "uue" will do this for you, if you use "uue -700 file" to encode. Please inform me of any special system requirements, and what development environment was used, so that I can properly test your submission and label it when I post it. -------------------- -- Jeff Weiner --- weiner@{{sklyab,felix}.engin, atari.archive}.umich.edu ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 03:26:56 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@uunet.uu.net Subject: Latest Atari hard disk formatter/partitioner? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Get the DMA chip replaced, you could change to a better hard drive at a later date, from what I have read the faulty DMA chips are very unpredictable, some will work with a Atari drive, but otheres not. The dealers here find that there are no good rules for testing for these chips, if it is tested on say a Atari drive in a shop, it could probably fail on a different Atari drive. I would not like to be stuck with a machine that was a bit iffy Note: the ICD booter will only work if you have a ICD host adapter in your system. -- Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand... ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 91 05:52:23 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.e du (Ed Krimen) Subject: MV16/BAT/soundtrackers... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May22.213027.11797@doc.ic.ac.uk> adm2@doc.ic.ac.uk (Alan David Messer) writes: > > Well on the network a while back I put out a plea for information on >soundtrackers for the ST.And I thought I would post my conclusions.. > > So far I have the following soundtrackers,if you know of any more then >please let me know... > > ESION I tracker - pretty good,comes in two forms,one for the ST > and one for the STe,sound is very good compared > too some,has some nice features. > > Digicomposer - Improved version of the previous,with STe > support and Stereo support for St's with > external cartrigdes.extra features very nice > For me this is the best of the lot,but does > have some bugs,like not treating drive B > correctly and sound glitchs when changing params > of output device. > >NOTE:- this are in the order of WORST to BEST in MY opinion and only my opinion. > >but unfortunately none of them seem to support MIDI at all,and most die when >my MIDI keyboard is powered up???? DO any support MIDI as an Input device?? > Digicomposer seems to have the worst sound of any of the Noisetracker players whereas Esion I has some of the best sound. Digicomposer on the other hand has more graphic bells and whistles, which I like, than Esion. Oh, lemme add than Digicomposer seems to have the worst sound on an STe, at least mine. :~) I'm not sure about ST. -- ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 ONE WEEK UNTIL GRADUATION!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 11:24 MET From: STU_JOCHEMS%HRO.nl@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU Subject: TT memory To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, About TT memory: I've inspected my 2 MB TT and I have no expansion board for TT memory. This board is only included in machines with 4 MB or more. In these configurations you have at least 2 MB TT ram. I don't know if you couldt purchase an expansion board, but I think it is stupid if you can not. The components used are as follows: - ST ram uses DIP (DIL) IC's - TT ram uses SIPP modules Albert Jochems ....Email: STU_JOCHEMS@HRO.NL (changed from: tc3_jochems@hro.nl) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 91 0:08:22 WET DST From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" Subject: US Spectre 128 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu There are no problems running a US Spectre 128 on a European ST. I myself bought a second hand one from the US (Hi Drew! :-) ), and having been running smoothly with it ever since. Cheers, Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1) ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************