Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 22 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 288 Today's Topics: 4 sale ATARI Computer and Monitor for Sale BB's On Internet BBS CAD 3D Problem Cant access ftp sites Cant access ftp sites - typing errors !! favorite-dealer list, no flames please. favorite dealers wanted karate game Looking for screen capture (2 msgs) Mac fonts to gem... Publishers Publishers (II) ST user/discussion group in UK TT memory question Uniterm Woes (2 msgs) Upload to Atari Archive WANTED: Atari 1040ST Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 May 91 06:27:30 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc .edu!pikes!mercury.cair.du.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!isis.cs.du.edu!ykidron@arizo na.edu (Yaron kidron) Subject: 4 sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A complete Atari ST system for sale: An upgraded 520 ST ( 1 meg ), Tos 1.0 in Rom ( 20/11/85 ) 1 Double Sided, 1 Single Sided drives, PS3000 color monitor ( same as sc1224, with built in drive ), SM124 mono monitor, MegaFile 30 ( 6 months old ) Hard disk, A new mouse ( 280 dpi ), Tons of software, either pd or original commercials. $1500 or best offer. Note: The owner lives in Israel, shipping not included. All hardware and software are in EXCELLENT condition, HD brand new. If interested please email to: s2886663@t2.technion.ac.il ( Yaron Kidron ). ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 22:35:15 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia .edu!lll-winken!taco!eos.ncsu.edu!smisra@arizona.edu (SAURABH MISRA) Subject: ATARI Computer and Monitor for Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am upgrading to a PC, so I no longer need the following stuff ATARI 520ST original computer, with no internal drive TOS in ROMS. Also available is TOS on diskette. Includes external single sided drive. Works perfectly. Includes basic software to get you started, like word processor, terminal program and stuff. Price: Please Make Offer ATARI SC1224 Color Monitor. Has perfect picture and in very good condition. No sound. Price: Please Make Offer Also available is a power supply for an ATARI external disk drive All items WILL be sold. Thanks Saurabh ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 91 1:02 GMT From: "Searching......Seek and Destroy!" Subject: BB's On Internet To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know of any bulliten boards on INTERNET that allow a guest or anonymous login. I'd be most grateful indeed if anyone could tell me of some. Thanks in advance, Lee. (LB7@UK.AC.YORK.VAXA). ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 21:22:52 GMT From: IFI.UIO.NO!larserio@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (LarsErikOsterud) Subject: BBS To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu To: bigd@dorsai.com (David Shapiro) BBS Name: ABK-BBS (Atari) Owner's Name: Lars-Erik 0sterud (sponsored by Atari Norway) Sysop's Name: Lars-Erik 0sterud (the '0' should be ASCII $B2) Phone Number: +47 2 13 26 59 Modem Type: Nokia 4896M Trellis Modem Speed: 1200, 2400 and 9600 V.32, MNP5 Location: Oslo, Norway System Config: Atari 1040 STM, SF314, 20 MB SH205 HD BBS Software: MiniBBS (Public Domain self-made) Emulation: VT100, VT52 or TTY (no emulation) Special func: New mail can be ARCed and downloaded Xmodem, Ymodem and Zmodem transfers On-Line view/type from ARC/LHARC Focus: Atari ST, Programming, MIDI, DTP Home for Norway's Atari developers Home for ST-Klubben (disk-magazin) Lars-Erik / ABK-BBS +47 2132659 / ____ ______ ________________________ Osterud / larserio@ifi.uio.no / /___ / The norwegian ST __________/ ______________________/ ____/ / Klubben, user association ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 16:01:43 GMT From: tellab5!chinet!saj@uunet.uu.net (Stephen Jacobs) Subject: CAD 3D Problem To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May20.175831.29112@pinet.aip.org> rdf@pinet.aip.org (Robert Feinman) writes: >I am having a problem with CAD 3d version 2. I recently purchased a second >hard drive. In order to get GEM to see it I must run something call INSTAL >from Berkeley Microsystems in my Auto folder. I am booting using Atari >AHDI 3.01. Is there something unusual about the hard drive? The usual situation is that one simply runs AHDI and any number of ACSI-SCSI drives are recognized. I've run 2 hard drives off a BMS-200 that way (along with a cartridge tape). It is just imaginable that you're installing 2 conflicting hard disk drivers. Have you called BMS with this problem? They tend to be very helpful. Steve saj@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 12:28:08 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!ul.ie!9020675@uunet.uu.net Subject: Cant access ftp sites To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, I want to get some of the software (PD) that is floating around the net. I can get to the archive sites so if anyone has the software could they mail me with a list of what they have...... I own an atari 520 stfm. Any info would be appreciated... Alan Weadick ******************************************************************************* * Alan Weadick * * * University Of Limerick * To err is human, to really screw * * Ireland. * * * * things up you need a computer. * * E. Mail. 9020675@ul.ie * * ******************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 12:29:42 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!tcdcs!ul.ie!9020675@uunet.uu.net Subject: Cant access ftp sites - typing errors !! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <17457.28391258@ul.ie>, 9020675@ul.ie writes: > Hi, > I want to get some of the software (PD) that is floating around the net. > I can get to the archive sites so if anyone has the software could they mail ~~ Oops - typing error, I meant to say I cant access ftp sites... > me with a list of what they have...... > > I own an atari 520 stfm. > > Any info would be appreciated... > > Alan Weadick > > ******************************************************************************* > * Alan Weadick * * > * University Of Limerick * To err is human, to really screw * > * Ireland. * * > * * things up you need a computer. * > * E. Mail. 9020675@ul.ie * * > ******************************************************************************* > ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 04:36:36 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!netnews.up enn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!zeibari@arizona.edu Subject: favorite-dealer list, no flames please. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi again, FLAME-PROOF PAJAMAS ON! Before anybody gets ticked off and is ready to flame me about my idea of creating a favorite-dealers list, I just want to say that the reason I want to compile such a list is to help people, like myself, get the best possible price for a product. That's all, no gimicks, no strings, just a list to help users without local dealers such as myself get ST soft/hardware. Thanks for your patience. yours truly at 8Mhz, Greg. **************************************************************** 578Greg Zeibari email: zeibari@wharton.upenn.edu school: Temple University work: University of Pennsylvania disclaimer: If it's going to happen, it will happen on my shift. **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 03:48:52 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!ds inc!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!zeibari@arizona.edu Subject: favorite dealers wanted To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello again Netland, I would like to compile a list of Mail-Order houses and dealers that support the ST with software and/or hardware. Please email me your favorite suppliers name, phone #, and what they sell (i.e. software/hardware). Dealers and Mail-Order places reading this should mail me also. I don't want to list products, just company names so that we can all reference some sort of list. PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR INFORMATION IS ACCURATE!!! I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO VERIFY WHAT YOU MAIL ME. All I am going to do is compile the list. In about 2 weeks when I think I've got enough companies listed, I will post it to this group. This means you! Get your favorite dealers name and number out and mail it to me. Thanks for your time and I hope this will be useful for others too!!! **************************************************************** Greg Zeibari email: zeibari@wharton.upenn.edu school: Temple University work: University of Pennsylvania disclaimer: If it's going to happen, it will happen on my shift. **************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 03:34:43 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed u!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!zeibari@arizona.edu Subject: karate game To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi Netland, I am interested in purchasing a karate game for the ST. Please email me your choices and why you like the game. Thanks in advance for your opinions! Greg. email: zeibari@wharton.upenn.edu "If it's going to happen, it will happen on my shift!" ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 22:04:41 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic! sics.se!fuug!funic!nntp.hut.fi!saha.hut.fi!s37837k@arizona.edu (Jari Lehto) Subject: Looking for screen capture To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I need badly a screen capture/snapshot, which is able to capture the dropdowns and "About.." items too. This kind of screen capture is propably activated by a key-combination. It would be nice if there is a chanse to choose the format of the file it creates and the size of the image captured too... Where? What is it's name? PD/SW preferred... * Jari Lehto * 90-387939 * Jari.Lehto@hut.fi * Music, love & * * Tenavatie 19 A * 90-382887 * jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi * friendship! * * 00760 HELSINKI * 94040/02887 * jartsu@otax.hut.fi * Garlic, beer &* * Finland * fax +358 0 8735916 * s37837k@saha.hut.fi * sausage! * ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 06:37:46 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucselx!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ari zona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: Looking for screen capture To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May21.220441.5269@nntp.hut.fi> s37837k@saha.hut.fi (Jari Lehto) writes: > >I need badly a screen capture/snapshot, which is able to capture the >dropdowns and "About.." items too. >This kind of screen capture is propably activated by a key-combination. > >It would be nice if there is a chanse to choose the format of the file >it creates and the size of the image captured too... > >Where? What is it's name? PD/SW preferred... Check out SNAP30.ARC. I think it's at atari.archive. -- ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 ONE WEEK UNTIL GRADUATION!! ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 12:36:37 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!glasgow!wilsona@uunet.uu.net (Alan Wilson) Subject: Mac fonts to gem... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Mac fonts are in a totally different format from gem fonts. On the macintosh, they are installed in the system file using a program called 'Font D/A Mover'. (Font D/A Mover files have a little suitcase icon). All macintosh programs can use these font 'resources' in the system file, and the fonts are loaded into memory automatically when requested. All macintosh files consist of two parts, the 'data fork' and the 'resource fork'. The data fork contains all of the data associated with the file, and the resource fork all of its resources. In the case of a program, all of the programs code is in the resource fork, and its initialised data in the data fork. The resource fork also contains the dialog box templates, window definitions etc. In the case of a document, it is most likely that the resource fork will be empty, and the data (e.g. text) will be in the data fork. Mac fonts can be converted to gem format using the program 'mac2gem' which is supplied with 'Fontkit Plus' from the ST club. (20 quid and well worth it...) Mac fonts are available from quite a few archive servers and also from PD disc suppliers. Using the above program is simplicity itself, however if you wish screen and printer fonts, then you will have to edit them yourself from the screen versions (on the mac, there is no difference between screen and printer fonts, unless a laser printer is being used which will contain higher res versions of the screen fonts) - this is the main purpose of Fontkit. N.B. The ST Clubs address is: 49 Stoney Street Nottingham U.K. (20 quid is 20 pounds sterling - I didn't notice that you from the US.) ############################################################################### # /\ / Alan # USEnet : wilsona!glasgow!mcsun!... # # /__\ /\ / Wilson # ARPAnet: wilsona@cs.glasgow.ac.uk # #/ \/ \/ 1991. # USA : wilsona%cs.glasgow.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk # ############################################################################### -- ############################################################################### # /\ / Alan # USEnet : wilsona!glasgow!mcsun!... # ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 01:58:33 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-se rver.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura) Subject: Publishers To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <5172@syma.sussex.ac.uk> grahamt@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Graham S Thomas) writes: >From article <1991May16.140706.26180@menudo.uh.edu>, by uace0@menudo.uh.edu (Michael B. Vederman): >> >> If anyone wants to keep tabs or follow the creative forces that were once >> Antic software, then buy AutoDesk software. Many of the Atari greats from >> Antic work there (Tom Hudson, Jim Kent, Gary Yost, etc...) >> >> - mike > >Pardon my ignorance, but I don't know anything about AutoDesk software. >Assuming AutoDesk is a company, what do they produce? (If it's a >product, what is it?) > Autodesk is, as far as I know, the biggest seller of CAD products in the computer industry. At least they have the largest number of unit sales. They dominate the MS-DOS world. Their products include AutoCAD, and now the Generic CAD line as well. Of course, if you *really* want to be on the cutting edge and the "top stuff" in the industry, it's not really AutoCAD at all. The top stuff is all running on Silicon Graphics Iris Workstations. That's what the car manufacturers use (companies like GM, Volvo, I think Mercedes-Benz, Honda too), Braun, and of course the major part of the 3D animation production as well. But that's digressing. . . . -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 02:14:21 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-serv er.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lsuc!jimomura@arizona.edu (Jim Omura) Subject: Publishers (II) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Ok. So now we know that STart may be gone from the North America scene, and what's left is pretty much just a couple of "fanzine" things. We'll hope that this improves. . . . Can someone in Great Britain please clarify what's going on across the great puddle? I guess the first question I have is what is exactly the situation with "ST World"? Are they really trying for a come-back? I thought the whole thing was sold to "ST User"? If so, will they be accepting submissions for publication? Is there a mailing address? I always thought of "ST Format" as a games magazine, but I bought the May '91 issue and it has coverage of desktop publishing and the monthly disk has a bunch of programming utilities (admittedly nothing new). That looks promising. What's "ST User" been like lately? I haven't even seen it around for about a half a year now, so I'm wary about sending anything to them. -- Jim Omura, 2A King George's Drive, Toronto, (416) 652-3880 lsuc!jimomura Byte Information eXchange: jimomura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 91 9:21 GMT From: MPPU2%CLUSTER.SUSSEX.AC.UK@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU Subject: ST user/discussion group in UK To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu There is now a new ST discussion group in the U.K. . If anybody, from any country, is interested then don't hesitate in contacting: Lee Bohan LB7@UK.AC.YORK.VAXA He will give you more information. ------------------------------ Date: 21 May 91 18:35:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!ucselx!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.ed u (Ed Krimen) Subject: TT memory question To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Basically, how is the RAM in the TT configured? From reading reports in STart (R.I.P.:~) and Atari Explorer, I get the impression that both ST- and TT-RAM are banks of DIPs (correct term?), with the TT-RAM requiring a daughterboard. Moreover, Atari does not sell this daughterboard separately. So the only way to get TT-RAM is if the machine is shipped with at least 2megs of TT-RAM from the factory, and then, I suppose, more TT-RAM can be plugged in later. About a month ago on Freenet, someone said that a dealer told him that the TTs were being shipped with SIMMs for both ST- and TT-RAM and that no daughterboard was necessary. Which is the correct story here? As much as I'd like to believe the latter, the former sounds more plausible, at least because it was reported in a magazine ("but don't believe everything you read" :~). Can someone who has actually opened their production model TT or someone from Atari who is clear of the situation, please comment? Thanks. -- ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 ONE WEEK UNTIL GRADUATION!! ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 02:55:01 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!rex!rouge!anon@arizona.edu (Anonymous NNTP Posting) Subject: Uniterm Woes To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu getting the program to run. I'm trying to run in Medium Rez but all I keep getting is TOS ERROR #35. I've tried running without any DA's or AUTO files but I still get the error. I can't find out what the this error means throug any available literature (YET!). Any EMAIL that could help would be appreciated.h Jim Lynch -- jlynch@usl.edu --- University of Southwestern Louisiana ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 04:36:59 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!rpi!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@arizona.edu (Harry Karayiannis) Subject: Uniterm Woes To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <31505@rouge.usl.edu> anon@rouge.usl.edu (Anonymous NNTP Posting) writes: >getting the program to run. I'm trying to run in Medium Rez but all I keep >getting is TOS ERROR #35. I've tried running without any DA's or AUTO files >but I still get the error. I can't find out what the this error means throug >any available literature (YET!). Any EMAIL that could help would be appreciated.h > >Jim Lynch -- jlynch@usl.edu --- University of Southwestern Louisiana I think TOS error #35 means that the file is corrupted. You should obtain a new copy of the program. At least, that's what I do when I get this error. =============================================================================== Harry Karayiannis Post: || |# || 15 N.Beacon, #316 |#| ||#| |#| Boston University Allston, MA 02134 |#| ||#| |#| Computer Science Dpt. U.S.A. |##| ||#| |##| _______________________ ||#| ||#| ||#| |INTERnet: //// |||| \\\\ % fortune -o | harryk@bucsf.bu.edu ///// |||| \\\\\ "Hackers do it with |BITnet: ///// ATARI ST \\\\\ fewer instructions" | cscrzcc@buacca.bu.edu =======================================================|_______________________ ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 02:42:57 GMT From: tar (Tim Roeder) Subject: Upload to Atari Archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Greetings! I have just uploaded the latest version of my GEM-based text file viewing utility program to the atari/new directory at Atari Archive. I hope some of you find this useful. Regards, -- Timothy A. Roeder Fidonet: Timothy Roeder 1:300/24 3551 S. San Joaquin Rd. Internet: tar@naucse.cse.nau.edu Tucson, AZ 85746 troeder@mis.arizona.edu (602) 578-9115 root%esummer@datalog.COM ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 91 02:30:52 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana .edu!ogicse!plains!pilch%plains.NoDak.edu@arizona.edu (Jay Pilch) Subject: WANTED: Atari 1040ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I would like to buy a Atari 1040ST... If you have one for sale, please let me know. Also would like to know if a Commodore 1084S would hook up to a Stari 1040ST (thats Atari not Stari)... Thanks in advance... Jay Pilch pilch@plains.nodak.edu ($300 sound good?) ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************