Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 15 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 274 Today's Topics: 1040 ST fails ram test BART and how to get binaries BBS's ct GIF to IFF converter on th ST (2 msgs) Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #273 info on availability of Spectr Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts? mac emulator kit for atari st's NeoDesk 3.02 Online Reader programs Publishers SCSI floppy specs sunclock.arc - problems System 7 and Spectre (4 msgs) Trackballs for sale!!! (2 msgs) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 May 91 03:37:24 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!emory!utkcs2!gathings@arizona. edu (Golando Gathings) Subject: 1040 ST fails ram test To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have just aquired a 1040 st and for some reason, it fails the ram test for the next 512k bank. I have 3 questions : - What could cause this ( besides the fact that I might not have an extra 512k in the machine ) - Is there an earlier version of the 520 st that looks like the 1040 st ( the logo on my 1040 looks 'strange' ) - Is there a fool-proof ram test prg. that I can use to make sure I am not seeing things( I am using a pd version right now ) Any replies or hints are welcome . Golando ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 05:14:43 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!atha!aunro!ersys!mforget@arizona.edu (Michel Forget) Subject: BART and how to get binaries To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu (Jeff Weiner) writes: > You really don't think so? I've clearly listed the beginning > of each directory with the name and a colon (i.e.'games:'), > and I've clearly marked the end of each directory with something like > '/end of games directory/'. Are others having this trouble with the > Index? Perhaps we should just nuke the whole thing and go back to an ls -lR? > I'd be interested in any feedback anyone has on this. I like the new system of Indexing, but I have problems getting files from Bart sometimes. It would be nice if their were some examples in the "help" file that detailed how to get files through the e-mail system. I've been using commands of the format "sendb dir/filename.ext aa,ab,ac,ad,ae" and then hoping I would get the file. One file that I have been consistantly unable to get is Overscan 3. I just never get a response. The new system of indexing is quite clear, though. << ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca >> << or in the language that PEOPLE use >> << Michel Forget...:) >> ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 08:16:32 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!resbbs!Patrick_Devine@arizona.edu (Patrick Devine) Subject: BBS's To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is there such a thing as an AtariUUCP BBS program? I've only seen FidoNet capable BBS programs, and FidoNet does not come close to the amount of support of Usenet. Also, can someone please explain what OS/9 is? Pardon my ignorance, but I've heard a bit about it, but what does it differ from GEM? -- Via DLG Pro v.95 Beta ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [ patrick_devine@resbbs.uucp ] My oppinion is probably more or less not [ vancouver_bc ] your oppinion. Atleast, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 02:20:16 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-sta te.edu!@arizona.edu (Justin DuBois) Subject: ct GIF to IFF converter on th ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu HELP!! I am looking for a GIF to IFF converter that will run on the ST. If you know where to get one, let me know. Also, If you know where to find a Giff viewer that will take from the 4906 color palet of ST STe, or ST with shifter, and convert it into a Spc or SPu or NEO or anything that uses the 4096 color palet, Id be interested in that too. thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 04:32:08 GMT From: ucdavis!csusac!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: ct GIF to IFF converter on th ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May15.022016.2792@ecst.csuchico.edu> neonman@ecst.csuchico.edu (Justin DuBois) writes: >HELP!! I am looking for a GIF to IFF converter that will run on the ST. > >If you know where to get one, let me know. > Check out atari.archive in the printing/pbm/ directory. There's a whole slew of graphic conversion utilities for the ST. I don't know if there's a GIF->IFF converter though. The files there are huge as well: some are greater than 300K. >Also, If you know where to find a Giff viewer that will take from the >4906 color palet of ST STe, or ST with shifter, and convert it into a >Spc or SPu or NEO or anything that uses the 4096 color palet, Id >be interested in that too. I'm looking for one as well. -- ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 TWO WEEKS UNTIL GRADUATION!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 1991 00:39 CST From: HARRROB@karl.iit.edu Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V91 #273 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu UNSUBSCURIBE ------------------------------ Date: 9 May 91 15:48:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!tmpmbx!lime!n icedel!artcom0!hb.maus.de!k2.maus.de!Christoph_Bregulla@arizona.edu (Christoph Bregulla) Subject: info on availability of Spectr To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu C@>In the UK the price seems to be about 290 pounds (approx $550) and thats C@> *without* the Mac ROMs. That's very much... Here in Germany it costs _with_ the ROMs nearly DM1000.-, that's about $600. In the US it's cheaper... Ciao Christoph ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 07:17:21 GMT From: ucla-se!crowe!plinio@locus.ucla.edu (Plinio Barbeito) Subject: Is there a joiner for uuencoded file parts? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May14.192458.19903@dvorak.amd.com> bpohl@dvorak.amd.com (Bion Pohl) writes: > > Is there a parts joining script for rejoining the parts of a uuencoded >binary or source file before uudecoding? I've just been doing it by hand and I've been using the awk script that follows on our Unix systems successfully for quite a while. If you run it on a file that has all the parts of a distribution in it in numerical order, it'll strip the extraneous stuff out of it and output a file suitable for uudecoding. To use it, you can paste it into a file called 'stripuue.awk', copy it into your News directory, and add this line to your .cshrc: alias strip 'awk -f (To be able to use the shell alias immediately, type "source .cshrc" at the csh prompt.) Thereafter, when you save a set of binaries/sources with the 's' command, you can use the same filename for each to effectively concatenate all the parts into one file (but make sure they are cat'ed in the correct order...sometimes part03 comes before part02, etc.) Then you can just type something like: strip filename > stripped.filename and you should be able to uudecode the "stripped.filename" at that point without problems. 'stripuue.awk' follows: -------Delete everything above this line, inclusive---------------- BEGIN { mode=0 } $1!="table" && mode==0 { } $1=="table" && mode==0 { mode=1; print $0 } mode==1 && $1!="table" && $1!="include" { print $0 } $1=="include" && mode==1 { mode=2; } $1=="include" && mode==0 { mode=2; } $1=="begin" && mode==2 { mode=1 } -------Delete everything below this line, inclusive---------------- plin -- To mak wridin mo eficiend, i sujes de folouin janjs: drop deleder 'c', as 'k' uil do jus fin. gt rid of endn 'e', sins ids nevr pronncd aniuai. als, 't' is nevr nedd; us 'd'. repeddv knsnnds shd b nls bpp ngbbl rr...01011101 ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 03:53:42 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!emor y!utkcs2!gathings@arizona.edu (Golando Gathings) Subject: mac emulator kit for atari st's To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am considering purchasing a mac -emulator kit for my 520 or 1040 st. I have the following questions: - what is the minimun system configuration one must have ? - what are the limitations of such a system? - what mac software will I be able to run ? - will I need the original mac roms in order to run the mac emulator? - do anyone have an emulator to sell ? - what price is too much ? - is PC ditto (ibm emulator ) a more economical option to access a larger software base? - will I be able to read mac disks ? Thanks Golando ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 91 11:49:06 WET DST From: "Ian McCall (Scorpion)" Subject: NeoDesk 3.02 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Whilst my original posting seems to have provoked quite a bit of discussion, no-one has yet answered the question I asked - namely can I use this patch on UK master disks instead of US ones? If no-one knows, then perhaps someone has an email address for Dan Wilga so I can get in touch and ask him. Cheers, Ian McCall (csd015@uk.ac.lancs.cent1) ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 91 22:26:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!tred ysvr!cellar!revpk@arizona.edu (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano) Subject: Online Reader programs To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I finally got Usenet access here, and I've found that it takes a LOT of time to work with-- as well as the fact that I'd rather not read every message that comes along, so I wind up skipping messages. There are terminal programs for IBMs and Macs that allow one to a) leave the program running, b) it will dial out automatically, and capture the necessary files, and c) present them to you later on. These programs also do something else which marks them above the standard capture buffer: they provide for tracking replies to messages. In a sense, they present the info to he user as though they're still on line, get the responses, and the next day they redial out and upload the replies. Are there any such programs for the ST? Or, conversely, are there any script files that will allow Flash to do this? Brian Siano-- no signoff text yet, but I'm working on it. ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 22:44:53 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu !utzoo!censor!isgtec!ken@arizona.edu (Ken Newman) Subject: Publishers To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May10.185652.19983@lsuc.on.ca>, jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura) writes: |> |> I've just finished a program and magazine article and I sent it |> off to STart Magazine. So right now, I'm planning my next bit of |> work... |> All I've seen lately in North America for paying work is STart Magazine. |> Good luck in getting your stuff published in Start. If it does by some miracle, you will not get paid for it. As far as I have been able to tell, they have not been paying authors for a long time (including me). Start is going down real fast. They are not getting any advertising money - advertisers are staying away in droves. I actually heard recently they've been running some ads *for free* just to try and keep things alive. Bob Brodie is doing his new column for free. A great pity, Start's kinda all there is left in terms of mainstream Atari magazines in North America. - kn ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 03:27:36 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!munnari.oz.au!uhccux!uhunix1.u hcc.Hawaii.Edu@arizona.edu (Jack W. Wine) Subject: SCSI floppy specs To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Here's some specs from Teac and Brier Technology brochures: Teac 3.5" embedded SCSI floppy drive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o Built-in SCSI interface reduce host computer loads o Built-in 30KB data buffer makes transfer rates up to 556KB/s possible o FD-235HS offers 2MB capacity and the FD-235JS, 4MB capacity o Single +5V DC power operation SCSI controller specs ----------------------- data buffer: 30KB terminator: mounted (removable) SCSI ID: SCSI ID = 0 (when shipped) Parity stop: On/Off possible (Off when shipped) Drive specs ----------------------- data transfer: 250Kb/s, 500Kb/s, 1Mb/s rotation: 300rpm or 300/360rpm (FD-235JS) average access time: 94ms track-to-track seek: 3ms settling time : 15ms motor start time : 480ms or less error rate : 10e-9 soft read, 10e-12 hard read, 10e-6 seek error General ----------------------- MTBF: 10,000 hours or more MTTR: 30 min or less Power requirements: +5V DC +- 10% (+12V DC supply unnecessary) Power consumption: .45W typical standby, 1.6/1.85W read/write (FD-235JS) Dimensions (WxHxD): 105x42x162mm (4.125x1.625x6.375in) =============================================================================== Brier Technology Flextra 3.5" 25MB embedded-SCSI floppy drive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o Twin Tier Tracking technology records precisely-positioned magnetic signal on a barium ferrite disk to indicate where data is recorded. This is crit- ical to STOR/MOR's high storage capacity o Embedded servo/voice coil actuator o Fast. Data access is on a par with fixed disks: average access time: 35ms track-to-track : 15ms rpm : 720 data rate : 1.25MB/s o Large data capacity: formats to 21.4MB o Error rate: 1 in 10e9 correctable, 1 in 10e12 uncorrectable o Dimensions (WxHxD): 4.000x1.625x5.750in The drive is sold to OEMs in large quantity only. Q/Cor of Norcross, GA is packaging the 25MB Flextra 3020 in internal ($849), external ($995), and PS/2 ($1195) subsystems with everything necessary to plug and play with IBM PC com- puters. Additional disks are $30 each. =============================================================================== Addresses: Teac Corp Teac Deutschland GmbH Data Storage Division Arzbergstr. 10 D-8036 Musashino Center Bldg. Herrsching, F.R. Germany 1-19-18 Naka-cho, Musashino Ph: 08152-37080, Fax: 08152-370826 Tokyo 180, Japan Ph: 0422-52-5041, Fax: 0422-55-2554 Teac America 7733 Telegraph Rd Montebello, CA 90640 Ph: (213) 726-0303, Fax: (213) 727-7652 Q/Cor Brier Technology One Meca Way Sales & Marketing Group Norcross, GA 30093 25 Meca Drive 800-548-3420 Norcross, GA 30093 Ph: (404) 564-5550, Fax: (404) 381-2808 =============================================================================== Up-to-date specs on the Insite Floptical haven't been received, but a sales rep stated that one U.S. company, Iomega Corp (manufacturer of Bernoulli drives), has licensed their technology. The Insite drives will be manufactured in Japan by an un-named company. The question of licensing the floptical drive and em- bedded servo disk technology to Japanese companies was only answered by the statement that Insite is preparing to make an announcement sometime in May. Insite Peripherals 4433 Fortran Dr. San Jose, CA 95134 (408) 946-8080 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 May 1991 09:41 N From: "Frits Dumortier/R.U.G." Subject: sunclock.arc - problems To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Dear colleagues, sunclock.arc in /atari/utilities at atari.archive.umich.edu lacks the resource file; can this please be corrected? advTHANKSance, Frits Dumortier FD@BGERUG51 FD@autoctrl.rug.ac.be ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 91 23:27:52 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@arizon a.edu (Gerald Greenberg) Subject: System 7 and Spectre To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9105141732.AA19207@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: >At the Windsor Atari show, Dave Small said that he had tested System 7 on >Spectre. It works, but he called the System 7 software "a dog." He said >it was terribly slow and crashed often. I doubt that Spectre is to blame >for the slowness and crashing. It may be that he was just using an >unrefined pre-release version--or maybe Apple really messed up on System 7. >I suppose one should check it out before getting it for their Spectre (or >Mac, for that matter). > __ David Johnson Michigan State University > / \ ___ ___ > / //__/| //__ aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu >/___// / |_//__ djohnson@ibm.cl.msu.edu After my original post, I saw System 7 in a store and it wasn't terribly slow...and I didn't see it crash. It would be interesting to know if Dave checked it out on a "regular" Spectre or on a machine with his 68030 board in it...after all, I saw it on a IIci. --Gerry ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: 14 May 91 23:27:22 GMT From: daffy!cat23.cs.wisc.edu!carter@rsch.wisc.edu (Gregory Carter) Subject: System 7 and Spectre To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Unfortuneatly, System 7.0 doesn't work with the latest version of Dave Small's software version 3.0. Although the boot up error is quite trivial, and you don't get a crash page just a missing resource box from the installation. --Gregory ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 04:57:40 GMT From: milton!iho@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Il Oh) Subject: System 7 and Spectre To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes: [re: Dave Small's comment that System 7 was a "dog"] >After my original post, I saw System 7 in a store and it >wasn't terribly slow...and I didn't see it crash. It would be >interesting to know if Dave checked it out on a "regular" >Spectre or on a machine with his 68030 board in it...after >all, I saw it on a IIci. If I remember correctly, Dave has a IIfx. I don't think he'd base his evaluation solely on his GCR on an ST (with or without a '30 board). -- "I'm sorry. | Il Hwan Oh If you were right, | University of Washington, Tacoma I would agree with you." | iho@cac.washington.edu -- Dr. Malcolm Sayer, _Awakenings_ | ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 06:28:55 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!chaph.usc.edu!aludra.usc.edu!baffoni@ar izona.edu (Juxtaposer) Subject: System 7 and Spectre To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9105141732.AA19207@cwns10.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq009@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: > >At the Windsor Atari show, Dave Small said that he had tested System 7 on >Spectre. It works, but he called the System 7 software "a dog." He said >it was terribly slow and crashed often. I doubt that Spectre is to blame >for the slowness and crashing. It may be that he was just using an >unrefined pre-release version--or maybe Apple really messed up on System 7. >I suppose one should check it out before getting it for their Spectre (or >Mac, for that matter). It must have been a beta-version. Nobody (except the guys who made it) had the "golden copy" of system7 any earlier than a week or so before the official release. If it was the sys7b4 release, it runs like a dog on even Mac computers :). However, this makes me wonder: will the SST and the TT be able to take advantage of the Virtual Memory handling of sys7? I ask this because (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) I believe that Spectre (all versions) emulate the Mac Plus, so if the sys7 uses system calls to determine the hardware it is being run on, then maybe it will think it is using a 68k rather than an '030 and therefore be unable to use the PMMU of the '030. BTW, Dave (or anyone else in the know), have you fixed the TT cart. port problem? I _think_ that was the problem that people were having running Spectre 3.0 on TTs ... (again, correct me if I'm wrong....). > >-- > __ David Johnson Michigan State University > / \ ___ ___ > / //__/| //__ aq009@cleveland.freenet.edu >/___// / |_//__ djohnson@ibm.cl.msu.edu -Mike ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 00:34:08 GMT From: ucdavis!csusac!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: Trackballs for sale!!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May14.205608.7264@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) writes: > >I am selling genuine Atari trackballs that have been modified for use with >the Atari ST or Amiga computers. They work exactly as a mouse and are >available for a limited time. These are NOT the bulky 2600 models. These >are smaller and have superior buttons to the 2600 version. > >For a standard trackball (left mouse button only): $25 > >For a trackball plus (left and right mouse buttons and a 9 foot cord): $35 > >Both trackballs are totally compatable with the Atari ST or Amiga mouse. >Please specify if you want it for the ST or Amiga if you plan to order. > >Please include $5 for postage and handling for each order. > >If you are definately going to order, please let me know ahead of time >so I can process your order more quickly. Is this a commercial advertisement? I've seen this quite a few times in the last several months. In the first paragraph, he says "available for a limited time." How limited? In the last paragraph, he says he wants to know ahead of time so he "can process your order more quickly." I bring this up because of the recent discussion about the mini-e-mail-order service Mark Choi (it was you, wasn't it?!) was going to set up. I'll take my net.police badge off now. -- ||| Ed Krimen [ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu or al661@cleveland.freenet.edu] ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 TWO WEEKS UNTIL GRADUATION!! ------------------------------ Date: 15 May 91 04:52:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!midway!quads.uchicago.edu!disc@arizona.edu (gerald harvey dischler) Subject: Trackballs for sale!!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May14.205608.7264@usenet.ins.cwru.edu> al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) writes: > >I am selling genuine Atari trackballs that have been modified for use with >the Atari ST or Amiga computers. They work exactly as a mouse and are >available for a limited time. These are NOT the bulky 2600 models. These >are smaller and have superior buttons to the 2600 version. > >For a standard trackball (left mouse button only): $25 > >For a trackball plus (left and right mouse buttons and a 9 foot cord): $35 > >Both trackballs are totally compatable with the Atari ST or Amiga mouse. >Please specify if you want it for the ST or Amiga if you plan to order. > >Please include $5 for postage and handling for each order. > Someone shoot me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that a new (with warranty), out of the box, Wico trackball with two buttons, nicely prepared for the Amiga, ran about $40 at Creative Computing in Santa Monica, CA. Considering this, why would anyone pay the same price for a hack??? Further, aren't the instructions for making these devices available on ab20.larc.nasa.gov's anonymous FTP-server? Just here to give you ALL the information in order for all you buyers out there to make a more objective decision. Jerry Dischler disc@quads.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************