Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 13 May 91 Volume 91 : Issue 268 Today's Topics: ADDING A HARD DISK TO THE MEGAFILE 44 Arcgsh GCC-Compiler 1.39 -- Where can I get it? GCC compile error GNU Make troubles: 2 bombs! Has anyone heard of these games? (2 msgs) Mega STe Questions. Memory upgrades, overscan. Moniterm Monitor For Sale NeoDesk 3.02 upgrade - I can't find it OS-9 for TT Prospero Software Distributors - Summary Publishers RLL hard drives cheap! SALE TOS Command Line Window_close bombs (2 msgs) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 May 91 09:55:26 SST From: "S. Suthipuntha" Subject: ADDING A HARD DISK TO THE MEGAFILE 44 To: INFO-ATARI16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, I am trying to add another haard disk to my MegaFile 44 hard disk without success. The bracket, power line and LED are all provided inside the Megafile44 box from the factory and there is an extra SCSI jack (J3) on the DMA>SCSI board as well. The Sysquest Removable HD is connected to another SCSI Jack (J2) and I assumed that the J3 must be for the additional hard disk. What I would like to have is to use the new drive (Miniscribe 8425) as the 1st drive storing programs and use the existing Syquest 44 for storing data or for backing up programs. Few things still unclear to me which are: 1. What SCSI address should I set for each HD?(One kindly suggested that I must set both HD at SCSI 0) 2. Do I have to remove the terminators from one of the HD? if so which one? 3. Should I use the SCSI Jack J3 to connect one of the HD? (I have tried this but it did not work) or I have to fabricate a new SCSI cable with 2 connec- tors and link both Hard disk together then connect them to SCSI Jack J2 which originally used by Syquest Hard disk? 4. What Jack J3 is provided for? Any information will be most appreciated. Suthipuntha, School of Architecture, National University of Singapore AKISUJAR@NUSVM.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 15:40:38 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!emory!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.d e!unido!laura!tommy!klute@arizona.edu (Rainer Klute) Subject: Arcgsh To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May11.130035.14361@actrix.gen.nz>, Roger.Sheppard@bbs.actrix.gen.nz writes: |> Well I do hope we get better support for LZH. ie. like support for |> lzh11318, or with the possibility to select the command line for the |> different LZH's. Oh, well, yes, I hope that someday we get a single LHarc everybody can agree on. Surely Arcgsh will support it. I am really frustrated about those many different incompatible versions and won't support the whole bunch. |> I have fould some problems Arcgsh with ZOO, things did not work and |> ended up using ZooBoy Could you please give me some details about your problem? It works pretty fine for me. -- Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute klute@irb.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Univ. Dortmund, IRB klute@unido.uucp, klute@unido.bitnet Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 D-4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 20:47:45 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!apple!netcomsv!rcb@arizona.edu (Roy Bixler) Subject: GCC-Compiler 1.39 -- Where can I get it? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May10.114947.9142@rusmv1.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> PATZEL@mathematik.uni-ulm.de (Patzel Martin) writes: >Does someone know where I can ftp a complete package of the gcc 1.39 >compiler for the Atari-ST/TOS? > >I've downloaded a package from terminator.cc.umich.edu, but there >only gcc-cc1 has the version number 1.39. The gcc command has 1.37. >Gdb and sym-ld are missing. Who can help? If you downloaded 'gcc139b.zoo' from 'gnustuff', everything should have the correct version number. > >Martin > >----- >Martin Patzel preferred: patzel@mathematik.uni-ulm.de >Promenadeweg 15 fido: Martin Patzel @ 2:241/7902.3 >D-7905 Dietenheim 1 other: patzel@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de > bitnet: patzel@dulruu51.bitnet -- Roy Bixler rcb@netcom.com -or- (UUCP) uunet!apple!netcom!rcb "Just when you think you know it all, it changes!" ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 14:23:53 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!dbng md13!dmswwu1c!zvd007@arizona.edu (Ulrich Kuehn) Subject: GCC compile error To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9105082156.aa25310@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, bferrer@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU says: > > After downloading the gcc compiler and getting very thing ready, I came >across another problem. When I type in gulam gcc -v hello.c, I get an error: > >can't find d:\tmp/cc100000.s > >or something like that. gcc created a file that has a slash in the filename >which does not exist how can i fix this error. > Did you create the directory d:\tmp? U.Kuehn ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 17:18:35 GMT From: mcsun!corton!laas!ralph@uunet.uu.net (Ralph P. Sobek) Subject: GNU Make troubles: 2 bombs! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am trying to use GNU Make in order to control a LaTeX document. This is GNU make v. 3.54 that comes off of atari.archive. The same Makefile works on my Sun SPARC, but gives 2 bombs on my Mega 4 ST. The Makefile replaces .SUFFIXES to be LaTex/TeX specific. It also uses sub-directories: PARAGRAPHS = $(patsubst %,$(DIR_P)/%.tex, $(PARAGRAPHS_LIST)) The rule that GNU make has trouble with seems to be the following: %.bbl : %.bib $(DIR_P)/%.tex -bibtex $* if egrep -s "~(There were .* error messages)$$" $*.blg ; then \ touch $< ; fi $DIR_P has the value "acm". When GNU make is run with -d it sees that it should check in the subdirectory. But when wanting to do the implicit dependencies for foobar.bbl, which are foobar.bib and acm/foobar.tex, it tries also to look for either acm/SCCS/foobar.tex or acm/RCS/foobar.tex. Immediately: 2 bombs! Earlier, it checked for SCCS/foobar.tex and RCS/foobar.tex and coninued without aborting. The problem might be the double directory structure. Has anybody else used GNUMAKE for LaTeX and friends? Also, this GNUMAKE came with GCC 1.35 or 1.36. Maybe a more recent version is necessary. Thanks to all, -- Ralph P. Sobek Disclaimer: The above ruminations are my own. ralph@laas.fr Addresses are ordered by importance. ralph@laas.uucp, or ...!uunet!laas!ralph If all else fails, try: sobek@eclair.Berkeley.EDU =============================================================================== Proud owner of a Mega 4 ST. Wishing it was a Mega STe! :-| ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 12:12:40 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari. oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!Roger.Sheppard@arizona.edu Subject: Has anyone heard of these games? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1449@grit.cs.utexas.edu> psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) writes: > I was wondering if Wing Commander is available for the ST, or anything like it. > I am sure it can be done, has anyone ever seen this game on a PC? It is really > cool looking with great animation and great gameplay...been wanting to get a > copy for my ST...However it takes up over 5 meg of hard disk space... > > > Troy Carpenter > Department of Computer Sciences > THE University of Texas, Austin > psurge@cs.utexas.edu > > "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor > > *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<* Well I did have a English Mag around here with a Review of it... -- Roger W. Sheppard 85 Donovan Rd, Kapiti New Zealand... ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 13:17:01 GMT From: atha!aunro!ersys!ggranger@decwrl.dec.com (Greg Granger) Subject: Has anyone heard of these games? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu psurge@cs.utexas.edu (Troy Carpenter) writes: > I was wondering if Wing Commander is available for the ST, or anything like i > I am sure it can be done, has anyone ever seen this game on a PC? It is real > cool looking with great animation and great gameplay...been wanting to get a > copy for my ST...However it takes up over 5 meg of hard disk space... > > > Troy Carpenter > Department of Computer Sciences > THE University of Texas, Austin > psurge@cs.utexas.edu > > "You're so open minded that your brain leaked out" - Steve Taylor > > *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best thing in life costs exactly that <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< It was stated in ST Report a few issues ago, by Origin Systems (makers of WC), that an ST version is *not* being planned in the near future. You could also imagine my horror & disappointment when I heard that. I wanted so badly to see that game on the ST also. Que sera, sera! Greg Granger | INet: ersys!ggranger@nro.cs.athabascau.ca | | Fnet: Greg Granger (Node 532) Dark Knight (Node 595)| | Post: 5906-188 Street Edmonton, AB Canada T6M-2A9 | | Tele: +1 403 481-0803 OR +1 403 481-5110 | Greg Granger ersys!ggranger@nro.cs.athabascau.ca Edmonton Remote Systems: Serving Northern Alberta since 1982 ------------------------------ Date: 9 May 91 05:37:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server. csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!mnetor!intacc!zerobeat@arizona.edu (Ferenc Szabo) Subject: Mega STe Questions. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I bought my MEGA STe (4 MEG RAM/50 MEG HARD DRIVE) April 2 here in Toronto. I used to have an old 1040ST (TOS 1.0) and calculated that it would have cost me the same money to upgrade my memory (pre-SIMMS) and buy a hard drive as it would buying a brand new MEGA STe. Now I have brand new TOS, double speed processor and blitter as a bonus. I would have bought a TT030 but Notator doesn't run on it yet. However, Calamus(amazing DTP program) is very fast on my MEGA STe compared to the 1040ST so all is not so bad. There is another thread which asks the question: Is a high res mouse better than the stock Atari mouse? Well I gotta tell you that the difference is night and day. My Golden Image GI-250 mouse takes all the sluggishness out of GEM. Clicking is way easier and accurate. Obviously I don't mean that GEM itself is improved; it's just that it SEEMS THAT WAY. I always admired the smooth MAC desktop-mousing around compared to the Atari. Now it's BETTER than a MAC--the feel that is. Spend hundreds and hundreds on a computer--why not treat yourselfto an excellent $75 (Canadian $) mouse? ferenc ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 11:12:39 GMT From: VMS.HUJI.AC.IL!seran@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (ERAN MEGIDO) Subject: Memory upgrades, overscan. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu take up so much. I have an old 1040 ST and an old 520 ST 1 mb and 512 k respectivly. I would like to upgrade both thought the 1040 is a priority. My question is which memory chips does the Atari ST use? I can get my hands on the bare chips. Would I need a board or can I pggyback or is there room on the motherboard? I need the chip type/nums too if anyone out there has them. Secondly does anyone out there have Overscan installed with the actual hardware modification? Is it worth it? What exactly does it do? And are there any side effects possible? Could something end up not working or not displaying write. I understand it is is irriversable. Is it perhhaps possible to install a switch if there is any worry? I sit worht it is the bottom line? Thats it for now. I know I will have more questiopns later... Thanks in advance ... Please, if possible, reply via Email it is much better for me. Thanks. Adress: SERAN@HUJI.VMS.AC.IL ERan Megiddo ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 20:13:09 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.e du!linac!unixhub!stanford.edu!msi.umn.edu!umeecs!heavy@arizona.edu (Richard Scott Hall) Subject: Moniterm Monitor For Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I recently acquired a TT030, but unfortunately, my beloved 19" Moniterm will not work with it, so I must sell it to get a large screen TT monitor. The Moniterm is 1280 x 960, it requires a Mega, and TOS 1.4. (graphics card included) Asking $1000, list price $2000...reasonable offers accepted, but I reserve the right to refuse any offer. Shipping not included. For anyone wondering, trust me, it is worth it, I paid a lot more and still thought it was worth it, I can't live without it now, that is why I want one for my TT... Richard Hall University of Michigan -- Standard disclaimer: I am not me, I am who you think you are... so don't blame me. ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 08:54:34 GMT From: math.fu-berlin.de!unido!gmdzi!focke@uunet.uu.net (Stefan Focke) Subject: NeoDesk 3.02 upgrade - I can't find it To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, I examined some directories at atari.archive but I didn't find PATCH302.xxx. The file New3 (?) says, that it is in utilities/desktop but it isn't. So, is it posssible, that anyone makes this file available? Thanks Stefan ------------------------------------------------------------------- Stefan Focke Tel. 02241-14-2265 GMD-Z2.W e-mail: focke@gmdzi.uucp Postfach 1240 focke@gmdzi.gmd.de 5205 St. Augustin 1 ...!{uunet!mcvax!}unido!gmdzi!focke ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 12:24:10 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!titan!e4ct22@uunet.uu.net (e4ct22) Subject: OS-9 for TT To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu At our school, we work with OS-9 for the Atari-ST. In the near future, we want to upgrade to the Atari-TT. The OS-9 version we use doesn't work on our TT-030/4. Has anybody got experience with OS-9 for the TT or an adress for a TT version ? Mischa Koning and Bart van Schie ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 16:39:37 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!atha!aunro!alberta!arcsun.arc.ab.ca!e rkamp@arizona.edu (Bob Erkamp) Subject: Prospero Software Distributors - Summary To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Here is all the information I was able to acquire. Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Prospero Software The latest versions are 2.153 for Fortran, and 1.144 for C. Both fix all known 'incompatibilities' that occurred with TOS 1.4 The cost of updating to the current versions is 30 UK pounds, and the master disks will need to be returned with payment (either by a cheque drawn on a UK bank or by credit card) to the address below. Regards Paul Hargreaves. Prospero Software Ltd. 190 Castelnau London SW13 9DH England. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Stephen Harold Goldstein From the back of their Autumn 1989 newsletter: Prospero Software Inc 100 Commercial Street, Suite 306 Portland, ME 04101 USA (207) 874-0382 (207) 874-0942 (FAX) In Canada, 2 distributors/dealers were also listed: PBO Development Rosoft Distribution 1847 Baile Street, Montreal, PQ 3862 Lonsdale Avenue, N Vancouver, Canada H3H 1PS BC, Canada V7N 3K6 (514) 931-7339 (604) 980-9365 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have called the US # and it has been disconnected. I then called PBO Development and they do still handle Prospero Software though if you didn't buy it from them they recommend you deal with Prospero UK directly. I don't know the status of Rosoft Distribution. Also PBO Development says that Prospero doesn't currently have a US Distributor and that Prospero is currently in a state of transition with regard to their North American distributors. Looks to me the best bet is to deal directly with Prospero UK for the time being. Bob ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 03:24:00 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!linac!unixhub!ditk a!zinn!kgg@arizona.edu (Kenn Goutal) Subject: Publishers To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991May11.211802.22320@wam.umd.edu> dmb@wam.umd.edu (David M. Baggett) writes: >[I'm posting the following on behalf of Michal Jaegermann >, who gets c.s.a.st through a digest. - dmb] >From: Michal Jaegermann > >Jim Omura (lsuc!jimomura) posted recently in c.s.a.s. long diatribe >against different forms of software you can find on usenet, different >archives and bbs's. He is definitely against stuff where copyright >notice is included and somehow managed to convey a feeling that >nets are ripping him off. > > [details edited out --Kenn] > > Michal Jagermann > ntomczak@vm.ucs.ualberta.ca Oh, I didn't get that "feeling" at all. The message I got was that his impression is that he cannot expect to make a living (or even a part of one) by distributing products as shareware because of the preponderence of individuals who feel no compunctions about paying the author for the software they use and because of the preponderence of individuals who feel no compunctions about distributing shareware in ways that make it hard to tell what's shareware, what's freeware, and what's public domain. I gather that there are some authors who even today manages to defray a small part of their development costs from shareware revenues, but I also gather that that is less true today than it was for a while, and in any case that quite a different story from meeting costs and exceeding them enough to buy a sandwich or two. So, my impression accords with what I believe is his impression. This is not at all to say that "the nets are ripping [people] off". As long as one understands from the outset that the ground rules only allow for posting stuff pro bono, and posts stuff with that understanding, one is not being ripped off. One who does not understand that, well, is still not being ripped off, but is caught in a misconception. What's disconcerting to me that while I can understand that Usenet *cannot* be used as a vehicle for commercial enterprise, but *must* be maintained as a pro bono vehicle, there is no reason why this should be true of the commercial systems such as CIS, GEnie, etc, yet this seems to be the case. That is, there does *not* seem to be a commercial system which can be used as a vehicle for marketing and selling software products. (Jim's article and maybe one of the followups mentioned STart and a couple other systems. I know nothing about them. Maybe one or more of them fulfills this need.) -- Kenn Goutal CompuServe: 71117.2572 (PARTI handle: kenn) GEnie: K.GOUTAL Internet: kenn@zinn.MV.COM or kenn@rr.MV.COM [The] PO!NT: kenn Telepath: kenn UUCP: ...decvax!zinn!kenn or ...decvax!zinn!rr!kenn +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Ship and Travel Intermodally -- Commute Electronically! | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 12:47:37 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!lll-winken!xanth!cs .odu.edu!cwc@arizona.edu (Chris Carpinello) Subject: RLL hard drives cheap! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Kalok (KL-330) 32 Meg RLL hard drive. 3.5", half-height, Slightly used (only Seagate (157-R) 49 Meg RLL hard drive. 3.5", half-height, _NEVER USED_ (still in it's original box). $175. I will ship these to anywhere in the continental US for free. I guarantee that they will work upon arrival. (Note: The Kalok is *full* of utilities, accessories & programming applications for the Atari ST.) ============================================================================== Chris Carpinello (cwc@xanth.cs.odu.edu) /// Peace, Love, and NO CENSORSHIP "Of all possible worlds, we only got one, we got to ride on it"__Grateful Dead ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 08:54:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!csn!boulder!horton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY) Subject: SALE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Must sell my atari moniters. SC1224 ............ $235 SC124 ............ $125 or Both ........... $325 Must sell both, sell each or both. (303) 431-9459 The SC1224 is the JVC model. The SC124 is 5 months old. Avatex 1200 modem external ..... $40.00 Jeff chuj@horton.colorado.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 09:54:34 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!dbngmd13!dmswwu 1c!onm07@arizona.edu (Julian F. Reschke) Subject: TOS Command Line To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <2932@atari.UUCP>, apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) says: >[stuff deleted] >XARG may or may not be endorsed by Atari Germany, but nobody here at Atari >in Sunnyvale (to my knowledge) has endorsed it. The reason I hate it is >that you have to poke through your parent's data space to find your >arguments, and that is a no-no. It will be a much bigger no-no when memory >protection and/or virtual memory come along. ARGV has no such problems. > >I don't know where the ARGV spec is -- I'll try to dig up a copy of it >and post it again. > >============================================ >Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. >reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt To clear up the confusion: (1) The only extended argument passing scheme ever supported by Atari Germany is the ARGV specification from Ken Badertscher. (2) Gemini 1.0 used Dale Schumachers xArgs methode, because at that time there was no other method. (3) Newer Gemini versions use ARGV (as documented by Atari Corp.). xArgs is maintained for backward compatibility with older tools. (4) The Gemini distribution contains the official ARGV documentation in sample\exarg.doc. This, I agree, should be 'ARGV.DOC'. Sigh! ___________________________ cut here _____________________________________ Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241 fast eMail: ONM07@DMSWWU1A.BITNET, slow: jr@ms.maus.de (++49 251 77216) ____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 91 22:47:47 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed u!dsinc!bagate!asi!disc.dla.mil!dsacg3.dsac.dla.mil!desc.dla.mil!wright!desire. wright.edu!cse0507@arizona. Subject: Window_close bombs To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Wanna know how to bomb TOS 1.4 (and maybe others)? Put two windows on the screen, and click the close box on the top one three times EXTREMELY quickly. I can just get in three clicks before AES (or whoever) says it's not there anymore. Bam. Top window closes, lower gets the raise signal. Bam. It closes. Boomity boom boom, can't close any more windows, can we? Seriously, has anybody else been able to do this? I'm using the (much-maligned) Naksha mouse, with the double click speed and key rates cranked way up, and I can usually only do it when I've got a few liters of caffiend in me :-). Standard desktop, 2.5 megs, and a rev. c 520. Is it me, or is it memorex? If anybody out there has dug into the ROMs, like say one of the programmers of TOS (hi a.p.), what happens internally when there's another close window event on a valid close box, *but when the time comes to close it, IT AIN'T THERE? Flames off, please. Come visit me and I'll demo it for you (and I'll spend the next six hours unborrowing sody pop :-). Bob The Schulze ------------------------------ Date: 13 May 91 23:34:25 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.ed u!resst11@arizona.edu (Ryk E Spoor) Subject: Window_close bombs To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I only have two questions: (1) why would you WANT to bomb your machine? (2) Why would you click three times in the first place? Everything I know works with one or two clicks. This strikes me as entertainment for those who couldn't afford Dungeon Master or something... ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************