Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 27 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 233 Today's Topics: Atari advertising Atari Questions... atari user mag Blank windows on the desktop? Computer stuff, golf clubs, fridge for sale european mags f.t.l Floppy Menu Program WANTED MEGA 2 FOR SALE New VME Video card from Toronto Canada! (2 msgs) Saving my sanity in Chaos Strikes Back Sozobon C help. Spectre GCR / ST Disks ST book sundog the lynx UIS III, Uniterm, DCDesktop Wanted: Symbolic math program for novice ST user Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Apr 91 02:16:26 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com !chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: Atari advertising To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In-Reply-To: message from saj@chinet.chi.il.us did the mets win(my honme team even though i am in cali) ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 16:30:47 GMT From: noao!ncar!news.miami.edu!umiami!dlk0ms9s@arizona.edu Subject: Atari Questions... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr24.211959.26768@ugle.unit.no>, erlingh@idt.unit.no (Erling Henanger) writes: >> 1. Why is the TT being shipped with the old MEGA keybooard? > > My TT came with the new style keyboard. Where were you told they are shipped with the old > MEGA keyboard ? > The keyboards are compatible, if that's what you asking, and thus it should be able to upgrade > to the new style keyboards. > Anyway, I think the Mega-keyboard is very good, so I don't see the point in exchanging it. > (That said, the new keyboards aren't any worse, theyre just 'different', and anything new > takes a little time to getting used to...) > -- > _______ _____ o ____ Erling Henanger > /___ /____/ / / /| / / Norwegian Institute > / /\ / / / | / | ___ of Technology. (NTH) > ------ / \ /____ / / |/ \____| o Atari Lives ! I was at the store when they opened the TT! We were all rather disapointed. Actually, when I was back at the store yesterday, I was told that Atari has run out of the new keyboard and so they will be shipped with the MEGA keyboard until they can make more of the TT board. Anyone with the old board will be shipped a TT keyboard for no charge. Mark Santora ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 02:16:23 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com !chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: atari user mag To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In-Reply-To: message from scale@abode.wciu.edu yeah cause people like me live far away from dealers!and the price 15 bucks is ok by me.It is short and sweet and i hope other mags(stinformer,current notes,aim)would get into the same game like atari user magazine i say bravo to these chaps! ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 15:16:43 GMT From: bcstec!galileo!ldl2142@uunet.uu.net (8472 BE32R) Subject: Blank windows on the desktop? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just before christmas, I added a syquest 44M drive with an ICD+ host adaptor to my 520 ST system. At the same time, I also updated my TOS to version 1.4. At some point since the, I've been having a problem with my desktop. Sometimes when I boot my machine, the default window to the root directory of my hard disk is empty and the info line reads "0 bytes in 0 files".o After deleting my desktop.inf file, and creating a new one, the window now shows the correct contents of the C:\ drive at startup, but whenever I run an application, the desktop returns with a blank window titled "C:\" even if it used to be open to a subdirectory. If I click the close button the appropriate number of times to return to the root dir, the normal "C:\" window returns. However, if I repeat the process 3 or 4 times, I sometimes get a dialog box saying someting like "Can't access the ':' file or folder". I've got a ton of programs in my auto folder, but disabling them doesn't seem to help. I've also got the TOS14FIX program (or whatever its called) and POOLFIX3. I'm also using version 5.10 (or 5.11) of the ICD driver. I've tried reformatting my Syquest drive, but that didn't seem to help any. If anyone has a clue regarding what's causing this problem, email or post a reply. Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 91 04:31:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!cci 632!ritcsh!ultb!clf3678@arizona.edu (C.L. Freemesser) Subject: Computer stuff, golf clubs, fridge for sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The following items are for sale due to the death of a friend. If you are interested in any of the following, please call Don Allis at 716-293-3415 after 5pm EDT, or send a message to me at: BITNET: clf3678@ritvax USENET: clf3678@isc.rit.edu BBS: 716-436-3078 (I'm the SysOp) Arrangements can be made for shipping, except where noted. All offers will be considered! o Atari 1040 ST system. Includes CPU, SC1224 color monitor. The drive in the computer was replaced with an Epson drive after the stock Chinon failed (a BIG plus in my book). Also included is a PC-DITTO II board that WORKS in this machine! Problem is, there MAY be a chip problem with it. It's being included because the 68000 socket is soldered on, and not worth the time to remove. Also included is an external 5 1/4 drive. $550. o Panasonic KXP 1090i printer, excellent condition. Rougly 192 CPS draft. Some extra ribbons and paper. $200. o Avatex 1200hc Modem. Perfect working condition. $50. o Computer desk. Commercial grade, very heavy duty and well-built. Also includes a printer stand. $300. *** WILL NOT SHIP THIS ITEM *** o Atari 130 XE computer, includes power supply. $75.00. o Atari 1050 disk drive. Includes power supply and data cable. $75.00. o Atari 800 with tape drive and all cables. $25. o IBM Public Domain Software Disks (5 1/4) $1.00 each. approximate 250 disk to choose from. All 250 for $100. o 5 1/4 disks. Approximately 500 blank disks. Some single sided and some double sided. 100 disks for $20. 500 disks for $90. o Right Handed Golf Clubs. Allied Colonials. 3 Woods, 6 Irons, and 2 Putters. Bag, umbrella, balls, tees, everything you need to play. 1 year old. $150. o Kenmore 18 cu. ft. upright freezer. White in color. About 9 years ___________________________________________________________________________ _____\ Chris Freemesser, RIT Comp.Eng.Tech. Dimension's End BBS /_____ ______\ BITNET: clf3678@ritvax (716)436-3078 /______ _______\ Usenet: clf3678@isc.rit.edu 2400 baud/42 megs /_______ ________\ GEnie: C.FREEMESSER STark BBS software /________ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 02:16:25 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com !chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: european mags To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu anybody have any u.k mags like st acftyion(i meant action) for sale let me know ,i will buy em from you with or without the disks!(if they are still is,in good condition)] ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 02:16:19 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!pacbel l.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: f.t.l To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu are they still making st software after chaos strikes back?seems quiet on there part ! ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 15:23:32 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!motsrd!motcid!da lessio@arizona.edu (Mario D'Alessio) Subject: Floppy Menu Program WANTED To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does a menu program exist that can be put in the AUTO folder on a floppy and show a list of all programs on the floppy? I want to be able to boot from a floppy, be shown a menu of all programs on the floppy (and preferably not list all the data files) and be able to select and run the program. It should also be able to handle GEM and non-GEM applications. Does such a program exist, and where can I get it? Thanks in advance! ****************************************************************** * ************************************************************** * * * * * * * Mario D'Alessio Motorola, Inc. * * * * motcid!marble!dalessio Cellular Infrastructure Group * * * * * * * ************************************************************** * ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 25 Apr 91 19:19:51 GMT From: noao!ncar!news.miami.edu!umiami!dlk0ms9s@arizona.edu Subject: MEGA 2 FOR SALE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have the following system for sale: MEGA 2 w/detached Keyboard MEGAFILE 30 SC1224 Color Monitor Panasonic KX-1224 24pin printer Tweetyboard(installed in MEGA) I am asking $1500. Leave me e mail if you are interested. Mark Santora dlk0ms9s@umiami.ir.miami.edu ------------------------------ Date: 24 Apr 91 22:53:56 GMT From: attcan!telly!sc50!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@uunet.uu.net (Shervin Shahrebani Of 250/744) Subject: New VME Video card from Toronto Canada! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Have you heard of the new CyReL SKYLINE M16-1280? (Where do they get these names?!?!) This is a RISC based 16 million color high resolution graphics card for the Atari ST(e), MEGA, and TT030 range of computers. The card comes with a VME interface for the TT030 and Mega STE. An ACSI interface is also available as an option. This is a Canadian product and it sounds amazing. Some of the specs follow: Maximum display resolution: 1280 x 1024. Resolution is programmable in steps of four(horizontally and vertically). 60 frames/sec non-interlaced for flicker-free display. PAL or NTSC support. Refresh rates are programmable. 2 MB standard. Fast video RAM is used to store single or up to 262 screen buffers. 24,8,4r 1 bit/pixel. An 8 bit depth buffer option is available in 24 it/pixel mode. mode_........16,777,216 colours mode_1.....................256 colours mode_2......................16 colours mode_3.......................4 colours mode_4.......................2 colours Graphics sor: 32-bit high performance RISC CPU with built-in floating point co-processor. It delivers a maximum of 20 MIPS and 1.5 MFLOPS. Using the three 20 Mbit/s high speed LAN ports it is possible to inter-connect several CyReL M16-1280 GRAPHIC CARDS to form a fast graphics engine. 1MB(sa or 4MB(option) supported. Work RAM buffer is used to store program & compressed graphics data, video parameters and command queues. Usage of RAM can be configured to support RAM DISK functions, hold caracter fonts or be solely/partly used by other CyReL M16-1280 cards n a network. VDI difware on disk(standard) or in ROM (option) will enable almost any VDI application to use the new high speed display with its resolutions, colours and functions. GENLOCK, TH SCROLLING & PANNING: External video source can be used to GENLOCK CyReL M16-1280 images & live video. Smooth hardware scrolling and panning allows virtual screen size management. CYBERCUBEARCH LTD. New Computer & Software Designs 126 Grenadier Crescent, Thornhill, Ontario, L4J 7V7 TEL. (4160294 FAC (416) 886-3261 S.S. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 18:21:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: New VME Video card from Toronto Canada! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Shervin.Shahrebani.Of.250/744@f744.n250.z1.FidoNet.Org (Shervin Shahrebani Of 250/744) writes about a new graphics card. How much is it? And where did you snag this nifty piece of info? -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0 ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 12:07:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!cs.uoregon.edu!ogicse!ucsd!nosc!crash! ncr-sd!ncrcae!ricks@arizona.edu (Rick Silverstein) Subject: Saving my sanity in Chaos Strikes Back To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Ok, I have gone through 9 of the 10 levels (0-8). However, there are alot of areas in these levels that I just cannot get to. I'm being blocked by a pit, door, or imaginary wall (according to the map). Has anyone else had this problem? What did you do? I keep going up and down the levels getting nowhere. Also, there are alot of pressure plates that click but I don't see anything happening when they do. One more thing. Is the DDD just a room full of demons or am I missing an important point here? Any help is appreciated! Rick Silverstein ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 19:03:26 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com!att!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!ha rryk@arizona.edu (Harry Karayiannis) Subject: Sozobon C help. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr24.094735.19857@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> waddella@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Alexander Waddell) writes: >Help me, please! > >I am converting all my C listings from Laser C to Sozobon C, and I have >encountered a major problem - I can't make GEM programs any more! > >The problem is this - I have changed the INCLUDE statement to include the >GEMFAST.H header file, compiling the source produces errors. The compiler >says it does not know about statements such as : > > appl_init > v_clswrk...etc... > >Everything works fine if I use Laser C, surely it should work with little >modification on Sozobon C. > >Anybody out there got any suggestions? > >Contact: Alex Waddell, > Glasgow University, > Scotland. > I think the problem is you don't link the libraries aesfast.a and vdifast.a with the object code of your program. So if your libraries are located in e:\sozobon\lib and your program is called gemprg.c, your command line should look like the following: % cc -o gemprg.prg gemprg.c e:\sozobon\lib\aesfast.a e:\sozobon\lib\vdifast.a The files aesfast.a & vdifast.a come with the gemfast package =============================================================================== Harry Karayiannis Post: || |# || 15 N.Beacon, #316 |#| ||#| |#| Boston University Allston, MA 02134 |#| ||#| |#| Computer Science Dpt. U.S.A. |##| ||#| |##| _______________________ ||#| ||#| ||#| |INTERnet: //// |||| \\\\ % fortune -o | harryk@bucsf.bu.edu ///// |||| \\\\\ "Hackers do it with |BITnet: ///// ATARI ST \\\\\ fewer instructions" | cscrzcc@buacca.bu.edu =======================================================|_______________________ ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 02:16:27 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com !chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: Spectre GCR / ST Disks To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In-Reply-To: message from boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu maybe they should do it on disk(like pddi...pcditto 1)would be a lot better and would sell more! ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 18:01:40 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: ST book To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <17260001@hpfcdj.HP.COM>, dom@hpfcdj.HP.COM (Dave Merrill) writes: >I have just acquired an ST. Is there any good books that cover >the basics of system operation. The documentation from Atari is lacking. > >Like what are .acc and .??? files? >How do I customize the desktop? >How do I add a printer when the option box on the dektop is not displayed? > >Dave Merrill I know of one such book (the author's first name is Ralph, cannot remember the title) that is a good beginners guide to the ST. One place that sells it is Computer Garden (1-800-456-5689), for $15.99. I would also recommend that you get a subscription to Current Notes magazine (about $20). It is the best (IMHO), with many _honest_ reviews and a great PD library. I liked it so much that I bought all the back issues. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 02:16:20 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!pacbel l.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: sundog To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu what is this game about?is it good? ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 02:16:22 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!linac!att!pacbel l.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!pro-odyssey.cts.com!chuckie@arizona.edu (Chuck Schul) Subject: the lynx To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu any lynx users out there!!!i would like to know how do you enjoy it and the games? ---- ProLine: chuckie@pro-odyssey Internet: chuckie@pro-odyssey.cts.com UUCP: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie ARPA: crash!pro-odyssey!chuckie@nosc.mil ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 12:09:24 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!simvax.labmed. umn.edu!davidli@arizona.edu Subject: UIS III, Uniterm, DCDesktop To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <28938.27d5032a@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes: > When running DCDesktop and using Uniterm to connect to a mainframe, I tried > to exit Uniterm and do something at the desktop. When I got to the desktop > I tried to access UISIII via the UIS da...when I did this the machine > froze and I had to reboot, losing my communications connection. Is > this something that should happen, i.e. is it impossible to retain my > communication connection while doing something at the desktop?, or > is there some way to accomplish this kind of activity? The only reasons one would want to exit from Uniterm to the desktop would be to perform some task (e.g., run a program or transfer files from disk to disk). The proper way to run a program would be to use the "RUN PROGRAM" selection from the Uniterm 'files' menu. I have run text editors and CLI shells using this method. It -does- require that you devote a certain amount of memory to the 'system' buffer. (Look up the "BUFFER" selection under the next-to-last menu ... I cannot remember the name, and Uniterm is at home...) You can access UIS via the 'desk' menu in Uniterm as well. I've formatted disks and moved lots of files from disk to disk this way. I also use DC Desktop, and have had no problems with this configuration (DC Desktop, run Uniterm, run program from within Uniterm) except when the program I wanted to run consumed too much memory. I have also had a chance to exit from Uniterm back to DC Desktop (or any other desktop...) and then run Aladdin while still connected to my VAX at work (Aladdin allows me to run ZMODEM automagically on the ST ... I can set up a command file on the VAX and walk away for a few hours.) The machine I was using for all this was a stock 1040 ST with TOS 1.0, plus a 20-megabyte hard drive and color monitor. -- David Paschall-Zimbel davidli@simvax.labmed.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 91 19:49:27 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!noose.ecn.pu rdue.edu!vivaldi.ecn.purdue.edu!yegerleh@arizona.edu (James D Yegerlehner) Subject: Wanted: Symbolic math program for novice ST user To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr25.214341.4806@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, boyd@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Mickey Boyd) writes: > In article <1991Apr25.073843.6040@loop.uucp>, dont@loop.uucp (Don Taylor;644-7631) writes: > >I have a relative novice using an ST. I would like to obtain a symbolic > >math program that will run on the machine. I was told there is a package > >called 'Elcal' but have been unable to track down a dealer. If someone [stuff deleted] > > > > I have put the PD version of El Cal (called Sub_Cal) on atari.archive. It is > a great program, and received heavy use by me during my undergraduate math > courses. All ordering info is included in the archive. You may find that > Sub_Cal has all the power you need (not much of it is disabled). Feel free > to email questions. > -- > ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear > FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down > Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." > email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | > ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Wait a minute: I thought that El Cal (and therefore Sub Cal) is purely a numerical tool. The original poster asked for a symbolic math package. The only ones I know of are form, available for free on atari.archive, and Maple. Form is very general, but ha a steep learning curve, and requires that you program (recursively) in its own language. I saw a post a while ago that mentioned that Maple has been ported to the ST ( Jim -- __ __ | | \ / __ __ __ __ | __ |__ __ __ __ Jim Yegerlehner \/ |--'| ||--'| ||--'| || ||--'| 1132 Hawkins Graduate House | `-- `--|`-- | |`-- | || |`-- | W. Lafayette IN 47906 ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************