Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 22 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 225 Today's Topics: Are there any 3270 emulators for the ST? Atari Portfolio users! FTP Beginner's Guide Ghostscript source and binaries uploaded to atari.archive Hard Disk "Gatekeeper" (2 msgs) Harddisk high level format software hard drive project. LIFE3.LZH (2 msgs) Megafile 60 noisy startup/ shutdown new upload on atari.archive Other FTL games? Uploading to atari.archive & comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st which demos? Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Apr 91 21:56:54 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!cunews!bnr gate!bigsur!bnr-rsc!bcarh166!smiller@arizona.edu (Scott Miller) Subject: Are there any 3270 emulators for the ST? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Is there a software package that will emulate a 3270-type IBM terminal? I want it to dialup a mainframe. (Naturally) Reply to the net, please. ***************************************************************************** Scott Miller, in the bowels of Bell-Northern Research Voice:(613) 763-2992 P.O. Box 3511, Station C signature USES DISCLAIMER; Ottawa, Ontario, Canada, K1Y 4H7 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 14:14:42 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.c a!cs.dal.ca!silvert@arizona.edu (Bill Silvert) Subject: Atari Portfolio users! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <9104210421.AA14688@cwns5.INS.CWRU.Edu> aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: > >I know this is an Atari ST Board but I don't think there is a board >specifically for the Portfolio on Usenet. I assume that when you say Board you mean Newsgroup. Try comp.sys.handhelds for information on the Portfolio. Not that there is a lot of activity there, it is mostly HP48SX stuff (although the group is in the process of splitting), but there is some. Also some Portfolio stuff appears in comp.sys.laptops. -- William Silvert, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Inst. of Oceanography P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2. Tel. (902)426-1577 UUCP=..!{uunet|watmath}!dalcs!biome!silvert BITNET=silvert%biome%dalcs@dalac InterNet=silvert%biome@cs.dal.ca ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 19:28:49 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@ar izona.edu (Jeff Weiner) Subject: FTP Beginner's Guide To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is a basic guide to ftp. It is intended only to get you on your way to ftp happiness. Please let me know if you have any comments, questions, or suggestions. weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu Jeff Weiner's FTP Basics Vol.1 #1 Part 1: Logging in To begin an ftp session, the first thing you need to do is log in to our machine. You can do this by issuing the 'ftp atari.archive.umich.edu' command. You should then see something like this: Connected to atari.archive.umich.edu. 220 atari.archive.umich.edu FTP server (Version 4.169 Wed Jan 2 17:03:56 EST 199 1) ready. Name (yourhost.domain.edu:yourusername): At this prompt you'll want to type 'anonymous'. On some hosts, the word 'guest' will work, but 'anonymous' is always a sure bet. If you don't see this login prompt, but instead get something like 'Our host was unable to trace a name back to (some internet address). We only accept ftp from properly registered hosts', then you'll have to ask your sys-admin to properly register your machine in its name servers. There's nothing we can do on this end, so please don't bother asking. Also, if your machine doesn't allow you to specify the atari.archive name, try using out internet address : 141.211.164.8 Then, march down to your sys-admins office and ask him to install name-service. Your life will become much easier. Assuming you recieved the above prompt, you'll then be asked for a password. Use your mail address. For example, I would use 'weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu' Part 2: Basic Commands Once you're logged on, there's a few basic commands you'll want to know about. ls : lists the names of files of sub-directories in a directory. ls -C : Lists the files horizontally, instead of vertically. dir : does the same thing as ls, but is needed on some other machines ls -l : A verbose listing of files. Includes permissions, filesize, etc. cd : changes directories (i.e. 'cd atari' would put you in the atari area) cd .. : Goes 'back up' a directory, to the one you came from. These are about all you need to get moving around the archive. Part 3: Getting the Goddies The main reason you want to ftp in the first place is to quickly transfer files. More often than not, you'll want to transfer the files from the archive to your account. You can do this using the following commands: First, find the file you want to download. Second, issue the command 'type binary'. This tells our machine that you'll be transferring a binary file. This is really important. You'll waste a LOT of time if you download files that were not transferred in binary mode. Third, issue this command 'get '. This will instruct the archive host to send to your account. The last thing you'll want to do is use the 'quit' command. This tells our machine you're no longer interested in ftping files, and would like to go back to your command prompt. Now, you'll need to download your files from your mainframe(sparc, whatever) to your ST. Usually you'll want to use either kermit or x- or y- or z-modem protocals. They're very reliable. I'd be quite hesitant to try something else. Also, your machine and ST are usually unique to you. This means that I really can't help you with this part. You could try asking, but I'm going to promise anything. Part 4: A Few Words on Net Ettiquette Net Ettiquette is something that every net user should be aware of. Relating to ftp, and our archive, it is essentially this: 1) Try to keep ftp usage to an absolute minimum during business hours, in our time zone. That would be 9 am to 5 pm , EST. This roughly means upload or download one file or so and little else during these hours. After 5pm, have a blast. Go nuts. We probably won't mind nearly as much..... Otherwise, we will drive to your campus or place of work (even if you live in Europe) and we'll kick youe butt. Or, Jon will sing Prince songs to you. Whichever you'd like the least. 2) If you have a question about some aspect of ftp service or some other area of your computer, please ask around at your site first. Don't immediately fire off all of your questions to us. I don't mind answering questions about the archive, problems with logging in, or something similar. But I tend to get upset when people ask me questions like, "Jeff, how come I can't get the fgrep command to work properly on my sparc station...." 3) Please try to upload files that you know the archive doesn't have. I know it's not the greatest thing to do, but if you can find time to download stuff, I think you can find time to return the favor and upload things also. If you have any reasonable questions, any comments or concerns, etc. please mail them to me, weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu. Thanks, weiner -- Jeff Weiner weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like to be the pope Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?" ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 22:05:30 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!samsung!caen!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!timothyg@arizona.edu (Timothy Gallivan) Subject: Ghostscript source and binaries uploaded to atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi, I posted this message once, but it didn't seem to make it. Try two ... Sources and binaries for ghostscript have been uploaded to atari.archive (141.211.164.8). No screen support yet. DeskJet, LaserJet, and Epson printers are supported, but only the DeskJet has been tested to any extent. The file names are gsbin.zoo and gssrc.zoo. I expect that they will show up in the gnustuff directory. A warning about compiling sources is in order. I recompiled a couple of source modules with different versions of the GNU libraries (I think they are newer than the ones I have been using), and the deskjet driver ceased to work properly. This is disturbing, but I don't have time to track down the problem now. Maybe someone else will figure it out. -Tim Gallivan National Center for Supercomputing Applications University of Illinois timothyg@ncsa.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 16:36:08 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rodan. acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@arizona.edu (Gerald Greenberg) Subject: Hard Disk "Gatekeeper" To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr20.040324.4494@ecst.csuchico.edu> ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) writes: >Check out HOSPITAL, AZT or AZTA, VKILL381 (Virus Killer 3.81). These are >virus checker programs, each are a little different in their functions. I >don't know about one that checks for general unauthorized access (other >than for viruses), but there are ones that will lock out a user from > Ed Krimen ............................................... Are these the latest versions of these files? and are the latest versions available at atari.archive? --Gerry ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 18:33:27 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!ucivax!jarthur!petunia!csuchico .edu!ekrimen@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: Hard Disk "Gatekeeper" To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr22.163608.531@rodan.acs.syr.edu> ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Gerald Greenberg) writes: >In article <1991Apr20.040324.4494@ecst.csuchico.edu> ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ed Krimen) writes: >>Check out HOSPITAL, AZT or AZTA, VKILL381 (Virus Killer 3.81). These are >>virus checker programs, each are a little different in their functions. I >>don't know about one that checks for general unauthorized access (other >>than for viruses), but there are ones that will lock out a user from >> Ed Krimen ............................................... >Are these the latest versions of these files? and are the >latest versions available at atari.archive? They are the lastest versions, as far as I know. There was only one version of AZT and HOSPITAL, and many versions of Virus Killer, but 3.81 is the latest. And yes, they are at atari.archive. -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 16:39:57 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!mintaka!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!suni c!mcsun!hp4nl!tuegate.tue.nl!gem!remco@arizona.edu (Remco Leliveld) Subject: Harddisk high level format software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Has anybody out there software to format a harddisk for the atari-st? The harddisk is connected with a C'T-harddisk interface. (C'T is the fine german magazine that had an article about connecting a harddisk to the st with a simple XT-interface card) The harddisk is connected to the DMA-port via an interface and a OMTI5527 controller. The harddisk is a Seagate ST238R (30 Mb). The harddisk is already low-level formatted with the software from the C'T magazine, but there is no high-level format software on that disk. Who has build the same interface or has software to do the high-level format? P.S.: Please respond by news (first). Remco Leliveld. remco@gem.stack.urc.tue.nl ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 19:31:17 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!widener!netnews.upenn.edu!wharton.upenn.edu!zeibari@arizona.ed u Subject: hard drive project. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello Netland, My friend just gave me a ST-251 hard disk. I have no cables for it, no controller, no power supply, or case. Could someone please tell me what type of controller, power supply and the other things needed to attach this thing to my ST. It will be my first Hard disk on my ST. Also can you provide the name and phone number of a supplier so I can purchase the equipment I need. I have a 1040ST with TOS 1.2. I will also need to get some software so I can format and control the thing. I know stuff like this has been posted before but I skipped it because I couldn't afford a hard disk. Please e-mail me or post the information. Thanks in advance!!!!! Greg. email: zeibari@wharton.upenn.edu /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// INTERNET: zeibari@wharton.upenn.edu school = Temple University work = University of Pennsylvania \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 20:09:28 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!samsung!sdd.hp.com!wuarchive!uwm.edu! bionet!agate!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ysub!psuvm!jjl101@arizona.edu (J.J. Lehett) Subject: LIFE3.LZH To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I think you are having the exact same problem as me! Symptoms are the same. Get a newer copy of LHarc. For some reason the files do not like CR's and LF's if unpacked with the older version. I think you will find this should solve all your problems! :) ************************************************************************* * J.J. * Internet: JJL101@PSUVM.PSU.EDU * Penn State * * * * Center for * * John Lehett * Bitnet: JJL101@PSUVM * Academic Computing * ************************************************************************* * Atari ST's!, Computational Mathematics, Diplomacy, Synths + Midi * ************************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 17:22:43 GMT From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid) Subject: LIFE3.LZH To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello, I just got a hold of LIFE3.LZH from atari.archive and was immediately impressed by the editing allowed in the universe. It is easy to use, the left button creates a cell, the right kill a cell. But when I went to load pre-created universes which were lzhed within the LIFE3.LZH, the program responded that the files were too small to be universe files, WHAT? These were included as universes. Then I tried to load pre-created patterns such as glider-guns and chesire cat ( the classics ) and they also didn't work. The program claimed to be loading them but nothing was displayed. There is a feature in the menu to show pattern file information. I check out chesire cat with this, and it claimed the file to be in ABSOLUTE format. I went out to GEM and checked it, it was in PICTURE format. This program has a lot of problems, you can't do half the stuff it says it can do. Who ever wrote it, you have a good idea but an obviously lacking implementation, if it were fixed it would be an excellent version of LIFE, but as it stands, it isn't too impressive. Stephan -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 15:33:23 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!wuarchive!sdd.hp.com!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!fau ern!faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!csbrod@arizona.edu (Claus Brod) Subject: Megafile 60 noisy startup/ shutdown To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu hvaalde@cs.vu.nl (Aalderen van Harold) writes: >Do all megafile 60 drives have autopark? I own one and never noticed it >I use the ship program every time I shut down my computer If the drive used in your MF60 is a Seagate ST277R, you don't need the ship program anymore. The ST238R used in the Megafile 30 doesn't autopark. You can find out the exact type of the drive used by looking at the back of the Megafile 30 which should bear a label with 'SEA6065' or something like that if it is a Seagate drive. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2, Things. Take. Time. D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, West Germany (Piet Hein) csbrod@medusa.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Claus Brod@wue.maus.de ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 14:57:23 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!harryk@arizona.edu (Harry Karayiannis) Subject: new upload on atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I just uploaded the file ATZENTA2.LZH (111824 bytes) on atari.archive It's my phone/address catalog + calendar program....SHAREWARE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- || |# || Harry Karayiannis |#| ||#| |#| |#| ||#| |#| Boston University |##| ||#| |##| Computer Scince Dpt. ||#| ||#| ||#| //// |||| \\\\ Internet: ///// |||| \\\\\ harryk@bucsf.bu.edu ///// ATARI ST \\\\\ CSCRZCC@BUACCA.bu.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 16:48:47 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ricks@ari zona.edu (Rick Silverstein) Subject: Other FTL games? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does FTL produce any other games similar to the quality of Dungeon Master and Chaos Strikes Back? Rick Silverstein ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 19:26:14 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ukma!rex!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@ar izona.edu (Jeff Weiner) Subject: Uploading to atari.archive & comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Uploading to Atari.archive.umich.edu and Posting to comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st By Jeff Weiner, Atari.archive Guardian How to upload to atari.archive.umich.edu: There are two main ways to upload to the archive: FTP or mail 1: FTP - This is the preferred method, as it doesn't clog my mailbox with megs and megs of stuff, not to mention it's a bit easier for you too. Logon to the archive as usual, then issue the following commands cd type binary put filename.ext mail weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu .... "Hey Jeff, I just uploaded this..." This last step is very important. As we're now integrating the index with text and the ls -lR listing, descriptions and an address to send questions to are key. Ed Krimen, ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu, adds this: For those that may not know, may I add that, for aesthetic effects, if you enter "hash," before you "put filename.ext" or "get filename.ext," the ftp program will display a # for every 1024 bytes sent or received. Actually, when you 'put' a file, it will display bunch of # at once. Moreover, if you enter "bell," it will sound your system bell when a function has completed. Finally, you can send and receive a list of files using the "mput" and "mget" commands, respectively, with a list of the files after the command. 2: MAIL - This is a bit slower for you and for me, but is still very effective. Simply uuencode the file, (please split it into parts and mail the result to weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu. Please name the parts in the subject line. This is really helpfull as the parts usually don't arrive in the proper sequence. Also, please include a message labeled file transmission, containing a short description of the file, etc. Shar files are also acceptable, but I prefer the uuencoded. And for those of you who would like to see your binaries and sources appear in comp.{binaries,sources}.atari.st, the following is taken from Steve Grimm's Introduction to Binaries and Sources: Subject: Submitting binaries for publication Items intended for posting or queries and problem notes should be sent to atari-binaries@panarthea.ebay.sun.com. If you are on a UUCP-only site, you can send them to {backbone}!sun!ebay!panarthea!atari-binaries. If you're in Europe, you can send binaries to the European submoderator, Jan-Hinrich Fessel, at unido!atari-binaries (or, if you're a masochist, atari-binaries@unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de.) He will test them and forward them to me. Submitting to him saves net bandwidth, so it's encouraged. If you want verification of arrival, so say in a cover note, or at the beginning of your submission, if it is small. I try to verify that a program works, and if I can't get it to work, I may hold up posting it for a couple of days. Please note that, except in rare cases, software without documentation will not be published. The backlog from receipt to posting varies from one to four weeks depending mostly on the set of submissions currently in my queue. If you are submitting both sources and binaries, PLEASE send the two separately. If I have to separate your sources from your binaries by hand, your submission will most likely sit on the back burner for a while. Also, as of volume 8, I will only accept binaries packed with an archiver for which source code is widely available. For the time being, this pretty much means arc, zoo, and lharc. If you want to use a nifty new archiver, make the source code available to the public (posting to comp.sources.atari.st is fine.) I reserve the right to repack binaries with another archiver if the other archiver saves a significant amount of space, or has other advantages. If you're submitting a demo of a commercial program, or a shareware program, please keep the amount of advertising to an absolute minimum. The net gods become angry when people try to use the net as a free advertising medium, and I'd like to keep comp.binaries.atari.st out of trouble. If you want to solicit orders, do it in a README file or an About... dialog box, not in a message that comes up every time the user does something. In other words, treat the net like a PBS station (apologies to those outside the US.) I will not accept programs which I feel are excessively commercial. I'm aware that commercial demos and shareware are often very useful (to the users on the net,) which is why I allow them at all. Subject: Submitting source for publication Items intended for posting or queries and problem notes should be sent to atari-sources@panarthea.ebay.sun.com. If you are on a UUCP-only site, you can send them to sun!ebay!panarthea!atari-sources. In Europe, send your submissions to Jan-Hinrich Fessel, the European submoderator of the group, at unido!atari-sources (or, if you're a masochist, atari-sources@unido. informatik.uni-dortmund.de.) If you want verification of arrival, so say in a cover note, or at the beginning of your submission, if it is small. I try to verify that a program works, and if I can't get it to work, I may hold up posting it for a couple of days. Please note that, except in rare cases, source without documentation will not be published. The backlog from receipt to posting varies from one to four weeks depending mostly on the set of submissions currently in my queue. I prefer that you submit sources and binaries separately, as it's a pain to separate them, and such submissions are invariably placed on the back burner. Sources should be submitted in the same format as binaries -- uuencoded arc, zoo, or lzh files. Please use Pierre Dumas' "uue" program if possible, as it can correct some common transmission errors. Split long submissions up into reasonable (less than 50K) chunks. "uue" will do this for you, if you use "uue -700 file" to encode. Please inform me of any special system requirements, and what development environment was used, so that I can properly test your submission and label it when I post it. -------------------- -- Jeff Weiner weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like to be the pope Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?" ------------------------------ Date: 22 Apr 91 17:28:34 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia. edu!emory!gatech!prism!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!bind!boyd@arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: which demos? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <72002@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU>, chu@acsu.buffalo.edu (john c chu) writes: >Thinking about it, I realize that this is a ridiculous question, but >just in case I'm wrong... > >Are there any demos on atari.archive.umich.edu that will run on a 512K >ST with a monochrome monitor? > >(Upgrading hopefully will be in the works...) > >Please replay via E-mail. Thanks > I have a great mono demo from Germany, called stdemo.tos (I think). Anyway, it is a tos file. I believe I got it from atari.archive. If you cannot find it there, email me and I will upload it (this one is a must have). I would not consider getting a color monitor "upgrading", unless you are keeping your mono (the best of both worlds). I used to only have a color, and it was hell on my eyes for any kind of real work. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************