Info-Atari16 Digest Mon, 15 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 210 Today's Topics: Buy Atari stocks now (2 msgs) DC_LEFTY (they made it wrong) Desk accessories woes. from Dave Small ... (2 msgs) GCR/1.2 gig drives (2 msgs) GEM --> GDOS font conversion Help with MiNT/MGR - I'm confused!! Mac Rom availability (2 msgs) Midiplay 0.2 uploaded to atari.archive new uploads to atari.archive New uploads to atari.archive. PORTABLE ADDICTION # 00 Re: Flash & QuickST Re: Z*Net International rufus SPectre dealers TURBO C using gcc Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Apr 91 19:07:44 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server. csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!lethe!tvcent!comspec!telly!moore!eastern!egsgate!Uucp@ arizona.edu (Shervin Shahrebani Of 250/744) Subject: Buy Atari stocks now To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I was talking to a dealer yesterday and he told me (here in Toronto) that now is the time to buy Atari stock. It is at its lowest and should be going up in the near future. Anyone here own Atari stocks? I am interested in buying a few shares (I don't have much cash) and want to know the prices roughly? Also, considering I live in Toronto Canada, how would I go about doing this? S.S. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 21:53:56 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@a rizona.edu (Steve Yelvington) Subject: Buy Atari stocks now To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [In article <671437163.0@egsgate.FidoNet.Org>, Shervin.Shahrebani.Of.250/744@f744.n250.z1.FidoNet.Org writes ... ] > I was talking to a dealer yesterday and he told me (here in Toronto) that now is > the time to buy Atari stock. It is at its lowest and should be going up in the > near future. Anyone here own Atari stocks? I am interested in buying a few > shares (I don't have much cash) and want to know the prices roughly? Also, > considering I live in Toronto Canada, how would I go about doing this? Atari stock is traded on the American Stock Exchange (AMEX). Friday's close was 2-7/8 (two and seven-eighths U.S. dollars per share). If you're interested in investing, talk to a Canadian stockbroker. You should know that there may be a minimum trade (perhaps in the hundreds of dollars) and you should expect to pay commissions. ---- Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA / steve@thelake.mn.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 91 22:48 EST From: Subject: DC_LEFTY (they made it wrong) To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Of all the stupid, dextrographic things to do, DOUBLE_CLICK Software released a program which reverses the left and right mouse buttons so left-handed people can use a mouse left-handed. But, the programmers, who must be right-handed, neglected to reverse the ARROW POINTER! It still points up and to the left. If you're left-handed, it has to point up and to the right. Why can't society society recognize the special needs of levographic humans? ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 23:54:09 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.mu. edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!batserver.cs.uq.oz.au!marshall@arizona.edu (Marshall Harris (G.M.)) Subject: Desk accessories woes. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ****************************************************************************** || Marshall Harris Internet/CSnet: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au || Dept.of Computer Science JANET: marshall%cs.uq.oz.au@uk.ac.ukc || University of Queensland EAN: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au || St Lucia, Queensland 4072 Bitnet:marshall%cs.uq.oz.au@uunet.uu.net || Australia UUCP: uunet!munnari!cs.uq.oz.au!marshall || ph: +61 7 365 2908 JUNET: marshall@cs.uq.oz.au || ****************************************************************************** "If you want to make god laugh, show him your plans" Woody Allen ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 08:18:14 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!mips!apple!well!dsmall@arizona.edu (David Small) Subject: from Dave Small ... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Many people I met at CEbit '91 requested me to post into here my net address; please "follow back" the routing this message took to get to you to find the way to my signon here at dsmall@well.sf.ca.us ... Apparently I overwhelmed the email capacity of my signon on the Well at 256K bytes while in Germany; many messages bounced, all of those during March. I apologize; I was on vacation, and did not know the Well imposed Email limits. (It's just as well; you pay for space above a certain amount). While I'm making an attempt to support users here, it's difficult; many messages "bounce" when I try to reply, and I haven't the foggiest notion why. ("unknown system ID? hunh?") I put most of the effort into supporting questions on comp.sys.atari.st simply because about 50% of my email replies bounce back to me and never reach their destination, whereas atari.st makes it there. During times of heavy software development or colicky children I'll periodically "miss" here; it'll happen. I apologize in advance, but I'll try. For instance, it's currently 2 AM here, and I'm due to visit my mother in law tomorrow.. *gack*.. In response to the 1.44 mbyte question, I have no idea how a 1.44 meg drive could work; we have no, zero, zip software support in it in Spectre 3.0. Perhaps Apple installs a device driver for Apple File Exchange? You got me. The step rate can be altered if you go after Spectre with something like MacsBug or TMon, which are becoming available in Spectre compatible versions. In the meantime, until Atari or someone sets a high density standard, we don't know what to do -- support 78 different boards and controllers? Support thr few 1772's that work at high speed? I don't know. We did reserve shift F1 and shift F2 for mounting high density, but that's it; there is -no- code "hooked in" to those keys right now. In response to the 68030 question, the 68030 SST is coming along quite nicely. We're doing final tuning of the "George Memory Unit" controller, software compatibility testing, and entering Beta testing phase. We've toyed with 50 Mhz, but the overall system gives better throughput at 33 Mhz due to burst mode being available at that speed, so we'll probably "top end" right now at 33. The performance is still quite interesting; I'll post some Q-Index benchmarks (or dhrystones, whatever ...) as soon as we get the boards "cast in concrete" to what people will be getting. That should occur within this week; we wanted to test at 50 Mhz due to many requests at CeBIT. As always, if UseNet mail doesn't get through (likely), our fax is at (303) 791-0253, and has a patient, attentive manner. Sorry for the length of the message; lots to cover. Dave Small / Gadgets by Small / Hey, it's my birthday ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 23:41:19 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!mips!apple!portal!cup.portal.com!Bob_BobR_ Retelle@arizona.edu Subject: from Dave Small ... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu >Dave Small / Gadgets by Small / Hey, it's my birthday Hey Dave...! Happy Birthday..!! :) BobR ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 22:59:15 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!milton!ale xd@arizona.edu (Alex Danilchik) Subject: GCR/1.2 gig drives To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have a chance to purchase a micropolis (i believe) 1.2 gig drive. I would like to hook it up to my ST and use it for MAC via my GCR. I figure i can hang it off my thru port on my Quantum/Supra host set up. I was reading in the 3.0 update manual that Spectre's formatter maxes out at 256 megs. Does this mean i have to get the drive preformatted for MAC? also.. will i have any trouble hanging it off my Quantum/Supra etc etc.. thanks cheers! gunnar alexd@milton.u.washington.edu ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 91 00:50:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!nu!boyd @arizona.edu (Mickey Boyd) Subject: GCR/1.2 gig drives To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr14.225915.24345@milton.u.washington.edu>, alexd@milton.u.washington.edu (Alex Danilchik) writes: >I have a chance to purchase a micropolis (i believe) >1.2 gig drive. I would like to hook it up to my ST and >use it for MAC via my GCR. I figure i can hang it off >my thru port on my Quantum/Supra host set up. > >I was reading in the 3.0 update manual that Spectre's formatter >maxes out at 256 megs. Does this mean i have to get the drive >preformatted for MAC? also.. will i have any trouble hanging it >off my Quantum/Supra etc etc.. > Just FYI, in the March 1991 issue of ST Informer there is an article on how to connect a 1.2gig drive to the ST. I did not read it in detail, but the guy did succeed. You may wish to order this issue to check it out. -- ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- Mickey R. Boyd | "Kirk to Enterprise. All clear FSU Computer Science | down here. Beam down Technical Support Group | yeoman Rand and a six-pack . ." email: boyd@fsucs.cs.fsu.edu | ---------------------------------+------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 22:06:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!texsun!conv ex!rosenkra@arizona.edu (William Rosencranz) Subject: GEM --> GDOS font conversion To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <154@daily-planet.concordia.ca> agostino@concour.cs.concordia.ca (Agostino Deligia) writes: > Does anyone on the net know of a utility which would allow me to >convert a bunch of GEM (*.FED) fonts to GDOS format? I use Uniterm V2.0e 011 yes. i wrote one recently. it is very simple. just swap bytes in all word/long values. i thought i might have posted it with manpager, but maybe not. if you can't write your own, mail me and i'll post it. now that i think of it (since i don't have GDOS), i wrote it the other way 'round (GDOS .fnt -> GEM .fed). still, the transform is symmetrical in that applying it twice gives the original file. GDOS uses (goofy) intel byte order... -bill rosenkra@convex.com -- Bill Rosenkranz |UUCP: Convex Computer Corp. |ARPA: rosenkra%c1yankee@convex.com ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 14:20:35 GMT From: bagate!sugaree!bill@rutgers.rutgers.edu (Shrubber - one who creates/sculpts shrubbery) Subject: Help with MiNT/MGR - I'm confused!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu hi, I am in need of help with MiNT and MGR. I know that they will work on my system configuration meets the minimum requirements - I have a 520ST with 2.5 meg and a 30 meg hard drive. I down-loaded the two of them from GENIE, (which, by the way took forever even at 2400 baud), and am having trouble getting MiNT/MGR to operate correctly. Okay, here's the root of the problem... I can get both MiNT and MGR to start, but each time I try to open a window in MGR I get this "Cannot get pty" - quite frankly I have no idea what this means and have no way of finding out. The documentation that came with the two sucks and does not offer any real information. Heres my second problem; I cannot figure out way the commands that tell MGR/MiNT where to find its own programs to work, Ex: "make mgr INSROOT= TARGET= install" What I am looking for are clear, simple instructions for setting up and using MiNT and MGR on an Atari, because I couldn't get what I needed from the existing docs (thought they were cryptic). If anyone out there is willing to help, you have my thanks in advance. P.S. PLEASE NO FLAMING - I'm only looking for alittle help. Bill ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 18:40:30 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!uc!noc.MR.NET!g acvx2.gac.edu!cobber!cobber.cord.edu!weber@arizona.edu (Michael Weber) Subject: Mac Rom availability To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am looking for a source for the Mac 128k system roms. If anyone has information about where I could buy them, I would appreciate the information. Mike Weber at Weber@cobber.cord.edu ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 23:28:41 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.e du (Ed Krimen) Subject: Mac Rom availability To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr14.184030.3697@cobber.cord.edu> weber@cobber.cord.edu (Michael Weber) writes: >I am looking for a source for the Mac 128k system roms. If anyone has >information about where I could buy them, I would appreciate the information. > I read something in one of the Amiga newsgroups that the ROMs are available from Apple's Pacific distributor in Hong Kong for $25 (no typo). Also, Toad Computers has them, but they are a bit expensive. I don't have their number available, nor do I have any other info about Apple's distributor, unfortunately. (Apparently, Toad bought some Macs and took the ROMs out. :~) -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1991 00:44:07 PDT From: sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com Subject: Midiplay 0.2 uploaded to atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've uploaded Midiplay 0.2 to atari/new on atari.archive. It is a Midi File Format player (*.mid files) which will play formats 0 & 1. It doesn't have any frills, but it seems to work. It is written in Sozobon C and comes complete with source. I am wanting people to use/test the program and the send suggestions back to me so I can make improvements. The program is FREEWARE and I don't mind if you use the code in your own proggies (effectively PD). Sample midi files can be found on ucsd.edu. At the moment I'm a little short of test MFF files myself (having only the ones on ucsd) so can anybody rectify this situation? Thanks, -Steve Goldthorpe XEROX CIN: SGoldthorpe:wgc-e:rx | Rank Xerox Ltd, ARPA: goldthor@arisia.xerox.com | Workstation Software Group, sgoldthorpe.wgc-e@rx.xerox.com | European Software Development Centre, XEROX INTELNET: 8*668-2350 | Welwyn Hall, Bessemer Rd, PHONE: +44 707 382350 | Welwyn Garden City, HERTS. MESG TOOL: 15556.25220325363.0 | AL7 1LQ ENGLAND ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 23:18:08 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio- state.edu!csn!boulder!tramp.Colorado.EDU!millert@arizona.edu (MILLER TODD C) Subject: new uploads to atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Just uploaded the following files to atari.archive.umich.edu showmem4.lzh : shows all available memory, not just largest chunk tlc_fixr.lzh : replace one text string in a program with another tlc_book.lzh : address book tlc_form.lzh : disk formatter - .prg or .acc dmj_gif.lzh : convert .gif files to spectrum format - slow but scales well dterm_1i.lzh : Dterm version 1.0i - latest version (w/ docs + update.txt) - todd -- Todd C. Miller | "But all the politiCIAns now millert@tramp.Colorado.EDU | They have no excuse al804@cleveland.Freenet.Edu | They just hide behind their power University of Colorado @ Boulder | And keep us from the truth" - Roger McGuinn ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 21:15:54 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.e du (Ed Krimen) Subject: New uploads to atari.archive. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The following files were sent to atari.archive. 19840 fcalc25.lzh - Financial calculator with GEM interface. 3072 muzak.lzh - Plays a tune in the background. 7009 panic.lzh - Shoot-em up. No docs. Works in all resolutions. 60416 sb_other.lzh - Some utilities for use with SuperBoot 7.0. BTW, that STARWARS animation at atari.archive is excellent. And if you're looking for a terminal program that doesn't need any special emulation, DTerm is great. It's built-in Zmodem is also excellent. Thanks to whomever uploaded these files. -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 21:23:52 GMT From: stub@sun.com (Stuart Baker) Subject: PORTABLE ADDICTION # 00 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Sorry to have to post this but multiple mail messages to Peter have bounced. Peter, I would like to purchase Rygar and Xenophobe if they are still available. stu (stub@eng.sun.com (415) 336-2342) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 22:36:49 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!wide ner!netnews.upenn.edu!msuinfo!silver.egr.msu.edu!schultzd@arizona.edu (The Michael Schenker Group) Subject: Re: Flash & QuickST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have the same problem with QuickST 2.2 and MicroEmacs (3.9 I believe, maybe 3.10) It appears to be QuickST problem as I've seen it happen on some STuff as well (of course, maybe the other STuff was just written wrong). Even with the cursor problems, I'm still a big QuickST fan! -- ||| David W. Schultz ||| ||| uunet[!rutgers!mailrus]!frith!schultzd ||| / | \ Work Phone: (517)-353-8891 / | \ / | \ "Just gimme a STacy laptop!" / | \ ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 91 01:05:07 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!min dlink!a341@arizona.edu (Bill Moore) Subject: Re: Z*Net International To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I agree. ZNET is available in a number of different places. Let us not waste bandwidth posting it here. bill ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 91 00:03:38 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.m u.edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqcspe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison) Subject: rufus To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu wolfram@cip-s08.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (Wolfram Roesler) writes: >>[with the] internal Xmodem or Ymodem, it does a disk access every kilobyte. >>Needless to say, this is not good. Is there a way around this, or are >>you pretty much expected to use the external Zmodem that is provided? >Using ZModem is highly recommended. My version of rz only accesses the disk >at the end of the file, meaning that it receives the file into memory and >then saves it after EOT. >I have never tried the internal X/YModem. The external ZModem is much better, >also because it starts automatically. Trouble is, I can't get Zmodem to work in multi-tasking mode when using RUFUS as a desk accessory. X/Y is slightly slower, but when you can do other work while the download is taking place, who cares! Rufus is really great! Warwick. -- _--_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au / * <-- Computer Science Department, \_.--._/ University of Queensland, v AUSTRALIA. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 91 03:54:36 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!apple!netcom!yonder @arizona.edu (Christopher Russell) Subject: SPectre dealers To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have finally got some mac roms, but I cant find any dealers carrying Spectres.. Does anybody happen to know of any dealers that have them? NOTE: just cuz it is in there add don't mean they have 'em... -- Christopher Russell (yonderboy) yonder@netcom.COM or clr40@amail.amdahl.com ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 91 08:26:40 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!spool.m u.edu!munnari.oz.au!goanna!minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au!t821431@arizona.edu (Richard Clarkson) Subject: TURBO C To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu xx Does anybody know if Borland Turbo C is available in English for the Atari-st? What is the latest revision? Where is it available from? Does Borland have a mailing address? ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 91 01:07:14 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!min dlink!a341@arizona.edu (Bill Moore) Subject: using gcc To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I am new to the net and notice a fair amount of discussion about gcc. I am a recreational c programmer, and use mostly mark williams c. Things I like about it are the integrated cli, a fairly fast emacs editor, and relatively small code. It isn't ansi, its not public domain, and there isn't likely to ever be an mwc c++. It also has a pretty good source level debugger. It assembly language format is weird tho. I would be interested in hearing from users of gcc about what they like and what they don't. If people think this is appropriate for the whole net, fine; if not e-mail me and I will post a summary. Thanks!! Bill ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************