Info-Atari16 Digest Sat, 13 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 207 Today's Topics: 1.2 GB drive deal 2 things 720 + 360 == 2* 360 ?? Atari for Auction: Update ATARI SOFTWARE 4 SALE Fearn & Music, Nec P20 driver, any sights? GDOS/TT/TTM195 !!help!! Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking... Help me! My SM124 (ST monochrome monitor) died like so many lately Laser Screen Dump LZH problem M-Tools, where to ftp from? Oxygen PgC 7600 details Re: Z*Net International rufus SF314 Drive 4 Sale Where can I find educationial software for the Atari ST Where to get FATSPEED ? Why does GDOS slow down midi output? Z*Net International (2 msgs) Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 12 Apr 91 11:52:39 CDT From: Mike Dorman Subject: 1.2 GB drive deal To: Atari List Although I'm not sure, I believe that the current (5.2.0) version of the ICD utilities for hard disks could give you 1 autobooting partition from this drive, if you wanted it. Of course, your logical sector size would be huge, probably 8K or so, but you could do it. If you want to stick to several smaller partitions, say, 64MB, you could get away with 1K virtual sectors. In the end, yes, ICD can support this drive, quite handily. The one caveat to that is that as soon as you start in with a large-partition (>32MB under 1.4), you have immediately resigned yourself to using a *very* short list of utilities...most don't know how to deal with virtual sectors, and probably will never be updated to do so. ICDs Cleanup works, obviously, but I think that's it, and that doesn't even do defragmentation, it merely finds (and marks or corrects) errors. I think Hard Disk Sentry from, oh Hell, I can't remember his name...the guys who do MT-C Shell, will work, but I'm not sure. Hope this helps. Mike. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Michael Alan Dorman : : : MDORMAN1@UA1VM.UA.EDU : Hobbies are things people do when they should be : : BIX: syssupport : sleeping. --M.A.D. : : GEnie: M.DORMAN2 : : : PostalNet: : : : Box 8068 : Stonehenge was built by two drunks with no : : Tuscaloosa, AL : witnesses. --P.S.McGhee : : 35486 : : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 11:43:08 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!unidui!un ido!rwthinf!cip-s08!wolfram@arizona.edu (Wolfram Roesler) Subject: 2 things To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu koagouro@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Konstantinos Agouros) writes: >First: Could somebody please tell me the ip# of atari.archive cause I can't get >through by the name. Are your sure it's available at your site? >Second: >I read once that there should be such thing like a csh for the ST. Could anybody >tell me, if that is true and if where to get it? There are many shells working in the way the csh does. One of then is Gulam. I dont know about an implementation of the original csh to the Atari, but one of the other shells should do. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 12:21:29 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!toum on!wucc!ytsuji@arizona.edu (Y.Tsuji) Subject: 720 + 360 == 2* 360 ?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu You must have forgotten to wire a line (#32 side one select). For further questions, e-mail to ytsuji@jpnwas00.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 91 02:44:51 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!ucsd!hub.ucsb.edu!ucsbuxa!6600hien@arizona .edu (Hien Le) Subject: Atari for Auction: Update To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <409@platypus.uofs.edu> meo3@jaguar.ucs.uofs.edu (OGRINZ MICHAEL E) writes: [Text deleted] My bid for a hard drive is $50. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 13:41:01 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!samsung!olivea!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.edu!delta@arizo na.edu (peter tragakis) Subject: ATARI SOFTWARE 4 SALE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For sale: Wordperfect $70 Timeworks Publisher $60 or best offer. $100/bo for all call Peter at (617) 731-5088 or e-mail this account. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 12:51:42 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!fuug!funic!santra!saha.hut.fi!s 37837k@arizona.edu (Jari Lehto) Subject: Fearn & Music, Nec P20 driver, any sights? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hi all netters, Germans especially! First: All you from Germany, have anyone of you had any contact to Fearn & Music lately, or have you heard anything about them? I have been waiting 2 weeks to get a reply to my fax, and I have already re-sent it too... I am trying to make an order for Uni-Man and T-Script, if someone knows any other source for them, please tell! Second: Has anyone of you tried to make a contact to OMEGA Computer Systeme, the maker of Delta Modul? Any success? (other than a mailed brochure of Delta Modul) Third: Afriend of mine wants to use Nec P20 with Spectre, so a Mac-driver for it would be highly appreciated. About this you can email also to hv@uwasa.fi Fourth: If you have any experiences of using the combination Spectre & UltraScript, for example in a form of short instructions, I would highly appreciate that too! Either there is a unknown command & flushing... or it processes the file right thru, but nothing comes out from the SLM 804. Test-files come out well, except the scrambled bottom line... Jartsu *** Jari Lehto, jartsu@otax.hut.fi, s37837k@saha.hut.fi *** ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 23:09:13 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!samsung!know!login@arizona.edu Subject: GDOS/TT/TTM195 !!help!! To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Up to today, I have been using an Atari TT with a PTC1426 colour monitor. Today, I switched to a TTM195 monochrome monitor and since I made the switch I have been unable to use GDOS. I was using an assign.sys per Ron Grant's instructions (with the PTC) and had no problems. So far, I have been unable to write an assign.sys file that will not bomb my TT now that I have the TTM monitor. Question, has anyone been able to use GDOS 1.1 with a TT/TTM195 combination? If so, just what the heck is needed in the assign.sys file? Can the assign.sys file be mailed to me or posted on the net PLEASE. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 06:10:12 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!spool.mu.edu!n ews.nd.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!noc.MR.NET!ns!ns!logajan@arizona.edu (John Logajan) Subject: Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1039@stewart.UUCP> jerry@stewart.UUCP (Jerry Shekhel) writes: >VGA simply has 6 bits per primary color, for >a total of (2~6)~3 = 262,144 colors, with 256 palette entries. No tricks, >no horizontal-sync interrupts, none of that crazy stuff. On a monochrome >monitor, you get 64 levels of gray. Perhaps there is more than one way to VGA. I do know that there are palette chips for sale that include a 256 entry table and three built in DAC's (digital to analog converters). I forget if they had 5 or 6 bits per color though. 5 per would fit in two bytes while 6 per would need three bytes. Oh, and the palette chips claim to be VGA compatible. -- - John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428 - logajan@ns.network.com, 612-424-4888, Fax 612-424-2853 ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 06:59:25 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!natinst!uudell!fquest!mspacek@arizona.edu (Mark Spacek) Subject: Help me! My SM124 (ST monochrome monitor) died like so many lately To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Well, I've seen a thread of messages about monochrome monitor problems lately, but pretty much ignored it. After all, it could never happen to me! Right, well it did happen to me. The other night it had been on for a while... I was online with a BBS and all of a sudden I thought the characters were starting to look funny, like they were slanting just a bit and getting thinner. Well, just a moment or two later the screen went dark and the green power light were dark also. When I turned the system off I could still hear a humming from the monitor, the power supply I suppose. I then cut it off to be safe. I opened it up and checked the fuse. It was blown. I really didn't expect it to be that simple, but thought it was worth a shot. I went to Radio Shack and bought a couple new fuses of the same rating. I thought I might have gotten lucky because it seemed to work fine after I replaced the fuse and put it back together. But after a little more than 30 minutes elapsed, it happened again. This time I was looking at the right side of the screen when it occured and the letter were definitely getting VERY thin right before it happened. Once again, it was only a moment or two after I noticed the character distortion until it went out. Anyway, I'm hoping to get some help in diagnosing the problem since there isn't much in the way of local dealer support. Oh, I thought both times that the monitor felt hotter than it should have right after the fuse blew. I would also welcome advice on what I could do if I can't fix it. Like good places to send stuff like that to be repaired (if there is such a place, not around here anyway), or what Atari Corp's exchange program pricing is currently. If anyway has had a posted for help with a similar sounding problem, I would sure love to hear what happened to them and possibly a recap of the help they got. I guess mail it would be best to mail anything to me, unless you think others would find the info interesting or helpful. I know I should have been reading the posts that have been on here lately and may well have already known the problem if I had, but well, I didn't. So, any help will be greatly appreciated. I really like my mono monitor and miss it greatly. I'm quite used to it and want it back pretty bad. SOMEBODY HEP ME PLEASE!!! Heh... Thanks in advance from a SM124 addict suffering from withdrawal symptoms. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1991 19:02 PDT From: MHD@PCR.SLAC.Stanford.EDU Subject: Laser Screen Dump To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Kelly Larson, kellyl@hpgrer.com.hp, requested a screen dump program for an HP laser printer. I have just uploaded, to atari.archive.umich.edu, a collection of utilities for the HP DeskJet printer. The file is called hputils.arc. Most of these utilities are also also work with the LaserJet printer and the screen dump utilities are: HPDUMP\HPCOLDMP.PRG for color monitor ? HPMN2DMP.PRG landscape orientation HPMONDMP.PRG portrait orientation P_OR_SAV\HP_RSAVE.PRG for HP printers HP_R_SET.PRG sets the program shown above P_ORSAVE.TXT docs P_R_SAVE.PRG for dot matrix printers P_R_SSET.PRG sets the program shown above This latter set of programs will also save the screen in Degas .PI% format. Martin Donald Bitnet MHD@SLACPCR DECnet PCR::MHD (44.37 = 45093) Internet MHD@PCR.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 17:45:26 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!pacbell.com !tandem!netcom!rcb@arizona.edu (Roy Bixler) Subject: LZH problem To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr10.161750.4869@milton.u.washington.edu> alexd@milton.u.washington.edu (Alex Danilchik) writes: >Ocassionally i come across a file that un-lharcing >with the arcsh35.prg yields "no file found".. >un-lharcing in gulam yields the same error.. I've had this problem with the Unix lharc. > >Could somone diagnose the problem? The problem was that, if am trying to un-lharc a file 'foo.lzh', but I have another file called 'foo' also, 'lharc' will not find 'foo.lzh' unless I specify it as exactly 'foo.lzh'. If I just say lharc x foo it will report a bad lharc file (once again, in the Unix version). This bit me because I have a habit of calling my uuencoded files 'foo' and when 'foo' is uudecoded, the scenario above appears. > >Thanks > >gunnar >alexd@milton.u.washington.edu -- Roy Bixler rcb@netcom.com -or- (UUCP) uunet!apple!netcom!rcb "Just when you think you know it all, it changes!" ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 15:50:56 GMT From: unhd.unh.edu!oz!pyr579@uunet.uu.net (Technoid) Subject: M-Tools, where to ftp from? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article ralph@laas.fr (Ralph P. Sobek) writes: >In article <3174@laura.UUCP> klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) writes: >| >| Mtools can be ftp'ed from cerl.cecer.army.mil (129.229.1.101). > >But watch out! Their ftp is a bit flakey. Watch out for truncated >files. >-- I'd like to ftp this prg, but don't know how to find the time-zome for a mil site, could someone tell me what it is so I don't get busted calling during business hours. Stephan -- \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ pyr579@oz.plymouth.edu Stephan R. Cleaves /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 13:48:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!taco!eos.ncsu.edu!sagemma@arizona.edu (STEVEN ANTHONY GEMMA) Subject: Oxygen To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I just got Oxygen from atari.archive, but when I try to run it, it doesn't work. I have a 520STfm upgraded to 1 Meg. I can't run the program out of an auto folder since only drive B is double-sided. When I execute the program it tells me it's reading in 650k worth of data and then instantly says that I need a 1 Meg ST. Then it brings me to a title screen and sits there. I've double- checked my memory and it says that all 1024k are available. Any suggestions? Thanks. -Steve ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 23:51:29 GMT From: ucla-se!turing!plinio@locus.ucla.edu (Plinio Barbeito) Subject: PgC 7600 details To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <12430@uhccux.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu> kiki@uhunix1.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu writes: > >The following information is from the international edition of BYTE magazine's >March '91 issue. Back issues are available by calling BYTE at (603) 924-9281. > [...some parts of excerpt deleted...] > >It does have its advantages: it is faster than MOS and scales down better to >submicron sizes. Also, because it is current-switching rather than voltage- >switching, it can drive low-impedance loads like CPU pins faster than MOS can, >bringing benefits in better CPU-memory bandwidth. PgC skirts the power con- >sumption problem by reducing a logic transition to 0.25 volt instead of the >standard TTL 5 volt, which reduces the energy dissipation by a factor of 400. Sounds good, but does this mean that standard RAM chips will be incompatible with the bipolar version of the PgC? I hope this is not true of the other version, at least. >----------------------------[end of excerpt]----------------------------------- > >For $20, this thing sounds potent, especially in combination with the Taos OS. Pretty amazing stuff. This thing uses tricks to get seemingly impossible cycle times from normal RAM chips. The possibility that an inexpensive system could be built from this fast part is then far more likely. Seeing the details also lends the product a bit more credence. >I think Atari might be in a better position to deliver and support a marketable >product based on the PgC chips, because of their experience with the Inmos >transputer and Helios OS, which culminated in the ATW computer. I'm confident of Atari's ability to create excellent hardware, and even software, but seeking them out for the strength of their marketing of the ATW sounds funny somewhere :-). As far as predicting what they will do, sometimes it's easier to disbelieve their representatives about this than to believe them. For example, if Leonard says that Atari will never use the '040, what would this imply to you: 1) that they will use SPARC, MIPS or PgC, etc. in their next machine and port TOS/GEM to it. 2) they are simply going to discontinue the ST/TT line. 3) they are going to use the 040 anyway but don't want to tell you now so you won't put off buying a TT. Thanks for posting an interesting article that a lot of us would not ordinarily have access to. We may never see an Atari product out of this, but at least you have helped to establish the PgC as a credible option ($20 for 160MIPS still sounds a bit off the far end, though). plin -- ----- ---- --- -- ------ ---- --- -- - - - plinio@seas.ucla.edu Is this the TV news? I thought I was watching a soap opera! ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 22:16:38 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!news.c s.indiana.edu!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@arizona.edu (Steve Yelvington) Subject: Re: Z*Net International To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [In article <1991Apr13.000851.12481@kcbbs.gen.nz>, Jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz (Jon Clarke) writes ... ] > Do you the readers of this news group want to ZNET International posted > to here. It is on average about 40k in length and would be posted weekly > from this site. I will need a majority desision on this please. All > votes to - Jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz Thanks for the offer, Jon, but please do NOT. This has been discussed at length in the past. Let's not get into a lengthy discussion of it again -- it's just inappropriate for comp.sys.atari.st. There is a mailing list for distributing the ZNET magazine to people who want it. I think details are posted in the monthly Frequently Asked Questions file. I assume you have read it. I'm not against the magazine -- I happen to be on the zmagazine mailing list myself -- but please, not in a Usenet newsgroup. ---- Steve Yelvington, Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota, USA / steve@thelake.mn.org ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 11:37:29 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!ox.com!math.fu-berlin.de!unidui!un ido!rwthinf!cip-s08!wolfram@arizona.edu (Wolfram Roesler) Subject: rufus To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu chuck@mrcnext.uiuc.edu (charles bridgeland) writes: >[with the] internal Xmodem or Ymodem, it does a disk access every kilobyte. >Needless to say, this is not good. Is there a way around this, or are >you pretty much expected to use the external Zmodem that is provided? Using ZModem is highly recommended. My version of rz only accesses the disk at the end of the file, meaning that it receives the file into memory and then saves it after EOT. I have never tried the internal X/YModem. The external ZModem is much better, also because it starts automatically. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 23:39:07 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.colu mbia.edu!emory!hubcap!stmwang@arizona.edu (Sam Wang) Subject: SF314 Drive 4 Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Atari External Drive SF314 in exc condition - $100 + postage DeskJet Font Cartridge TimesRoman 22706P - $ 50 + " DeskJet Epson Cartridge - $ 35 + " 803/654-5456 (SC) Evenings -- Sam Wang Visual Arts Clemson University stmwang@hubcap.clemson.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 16:52:47 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!rex!uflorida!winnie!zach.fit.edu!rcs 91900@arizona.edu ( Charles Stockman /ADVISOR-Clutterham) Subject: Where can I find educationial software for the Atari ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anybody know any sites where they have educationial software for the ATARI ST ?? Thanks a lot for you help !!! ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 91 10:31:23 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!ahds!dick@arizona.e du (Dick Heijne CCS/TS) Subject: Where to get FATSPEED ? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Lots of replies on a previous posting in this group, concerning problems I have with my megafile 44 harddisk pointed out that I have to migrate from TOS 1.2 to TOS 1.4, or use FATSPEED.PRG instead. Since I prefer trying the latter option first, I would like to know where I can get this program. Someone mailed me it should be on some usenet-accessible board. Can anyone mail me details about the full path (and type of info-server, if appropriate) ? Thanks a lot in advance everybody! Dick. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Apr 91 07:46:49 GMT From: bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!hp4nl!ahds!geert@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Geert W.T. Jonkheer CCS/TS) Subject: Why does GDOS slow down midi output? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I recently installed a program that uses GDOS or AMCGDOS. When I did this, some of my midi programs are slowing down there output to my midi instruments. I think that only midi programs, that are using atari's midi out TOS call (as i remember it Midiws() ), are slowing down there output. Is this because there are some additional functions added by GDOS/ AMCGDOS and the ST must search into a table to lookup some routines, also the ones in the ROMS? If this is the clue, why can't GDOS bypass the default routines ,which are normally in ROM, immediately and uses the GDOS functions afterward? It seems to me that GDOS first looks if there is a GDOS function called and then passes to the default ROM functions if a not GDOS call is called. Is there a GDOS version available, which hasn't this problem? Any suggestions out there? Thanks in advance. Geert. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Geert W.T. Jonkheer Albert Heyn B.V. Zaandam (NL). UUCP: ..!hp4nl!ahds!geert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Apr 91 00:08:51 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive !waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!am.dsir.govt.nz!marcamd!mercury!kcbbs!kc@arizona. edu (Jon Clarke) Subject: Z*Net International To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Users wishing to contact Z*NET International on-line magazine please feel free to drop mail to me and I will forward it to the right department. Email to : Jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz Z*Net International NZ ----------------------------------- First request : ___________________________________ Do you the readers of this news group want to ZNET International posted to here. It is on average about 40k in length and would be posted weekly from this site. I will need a majority desision on this please. All votes to - Jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz What is Z*NET INTERNATIONAL. The most up-to-date on-line magazne dealing with Atari computers. You may have seen many of the articles on the net over the last few years quoted from "ZNET or ZMag". Up till now ZNET has not posted directly to net . rather it has been available on ANON FTP and other bbs's and onine services world wide. Thanks for your time. - Jon_Clarke@kcbbs.gen.nz Z*Net International On-Line Magazine. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 91 21:55:51 GMT From: argosy!henry@decwrl.dec.com (Henry Polard) Subject: Z*Net International To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu YES! Please post Z*Net here. Henry Polard | REAL net address: | Reality / Virtual 17-line .sig (408) 736-3300 | henry@maspar.com | is an allusion. \ with spiffy graphics. ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************