Info-Atari16 Digest Wed, 10 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 202 Today's Topics: 2 things A dream come true (Well ALMOST!) Aladin search Alladian APPLE Imagewriter on ST?? Atari 1040ST For Sale Atari for Auction: Update digicomposer uploaded to atari.archive Double Click's contest Ghostscript ported? HacMan II v1.15 available at atari.archive lynx MultiGEM (was Re: TT questions) Question about the game IMMORTAL (Spolier about level 2) Re: GEM source code rufus STE Products sundog TT questions (2 msgs) Unsubscription request Wanted: Phone # for MWC Support line X Y Z 3 . 3 Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Apr 91 06:55:13 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!spool.mu.edu!munnari.oz.au!brolga!uqc spe!cs.uq.oz.au!warwick@arizona.edu (Warwick Allison) Subject: 2 things To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu koagouro@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Konstantinos Agouros) writes: >Could somebody please tell me the ip# of atari.archive cause I can't get >through by the name. it is: 141.211.164.8 >I read once that there should be such thing like a csh for the ST. Could >anybody tell me, if that is true and if where to get it? I haven't looked at Okami shell yet, but Gulam is a lot likt csh. (no job control though :-) Warwick -- _--_|\ warwick@cs.uq.oz.au / * <-- Computer Science Department, \_.--._/ University of Queensland, v AUSTRALIA. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 91 01:46:50 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!mahendo!wlbr!lonex.radc.af.mil!longj@arizona.edu (Jeffrey K. Long) Subject: A dream come true (Well ALMOST!) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I have been LaTeX'ing on my ST for about 3 years now, and have always dreamed of an ST program similar to Fig for Suns! But such a beast I have never seen, up till now! I just downloaded from forwiss.uni-passau.de in the /pub/atari/tex directory a great looking file called texdraw.lzh. I unlharced it, and found that the majority of the document and program is in German. BUT DOES THIS PROGRAM LOOK GREAT!! Do any of our bi-lingual net readers know if there are any plans for an English version of this program?? I only know that if such a beast exists, or is in the planning stage, many of us ST/LaTeX freaks would love it!! Anyone willing to check on this?? How about just an english version of the .rsc file?? Heck, this thing is so impressive, I may learn to read German just to use it! I'm talking one very slickly done piece of graphics/TeX tool here! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Capt Jeff Long Rome Air Development Center longj@lonex.radc.af.mil Network Design Laboratory jlong@cassiopeia.radc.af.mil (315)330-7751 or (DSN)587-7751 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 91 03:46:27 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!mips!samsung!umich!terminator!terminator.c c.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner) Subject: Aladin search To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [I'm posting this for someone without access to news. Please reply to him, not to me. Thanks!] ------------------------------ Date: From: DEDICATED-PRELOAD Subject: Alladian Would anyone know where I could get a copy of the actual Alladain mac emulator program. Please post it at the terminator atari archives. I am in desperate need for it to complete a microtechniques project using hypercard. -- Jeff Weiner weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like a White Castle Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?" ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 18:06:29 GMT From: noao!asuvax!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!kuhub.cc.u kans.edu!shawl@arizona.edu Subject: APPLE Imagewriter on ST?? To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Has anyone ever tried to hook an Apple Imagewriter up to an ST? Any thoughts on doing it would be appreciated. (Why do it? I am being given a MAC and the printer, and would like to try to use it with my ST too. It is much better than my old, expensive NEC 8023.) Thanks. Steve Shawl Shawl@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 18:42:23 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!think.com!hsdndev!dartvax!eleazar.dartm outh.edu!lattanzi@arizona.edu (Stephen C. Lattanzi) Subject: Atari 1040ST For Sale To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu ATARI 1040ST For Sale --------------------- 1 MB RAM 720K Drive Color Monitor Software including: Modula II compiler, Flight Simulator, EZ Score II (music score-writing program using MIDI interface), UniTerm (public domain terminal emulator), and the software that comes with the machine (1st Word, BASIC, Logo, NEOChrome) --------------------- In excellent condition. $300. Send inquiries to: Steve Lattanzi (lattanzi@eleazar.dartmouth.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 11:48:55 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis. pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!platypus!jaguar.ucs.uofs.edu@arizona.edu (OGRINZ MICHAEL E) Subject: Atari for Auction: Update To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Ok, here's the first update on the auction. I wasnt going to enter this so soon, but maybe it'll stop the flood of $5 bids to my account :) Our highest bid after 1 day: $200 for the complete system. Other offers worth mentioning: $75 for the color digitizer. Now, for those of you who missed out, now's your chance to send me a bid on the following system. The highest bid as of April 22 takes the lot. To recap, the package is: Atari 520St w/1Meg & Mouse Color Monitor Mono Monitor Indus DS/DD drive 5 1/4" 360K/720K drive Color Digitizer (ComputerEyes) SCSI controller card w/ cable & software Lots of software (mostly games) ------------------------------------------ Mike ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 18:44:02 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!ugle.unit.no!sigyn.idt.unit.no! erlingh@arizona.edu (Erling Henanger) Subject: digicomposer uploaded to atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've just uploaded digicomposer to atari.archive. It was sent to me from daniel@hexagon.se, and since he doesn't have ftp access I uploaded it. This is a PD-tracker that should also work on the TT. Enjoy. -- _______ _____ o ____ Erling Henanger /___ /____/ / / /| / / Norwegian Institute / /\ / / / | / | ___ of Technology. (NTH) ------ / \ /____ / / |/ \____| o Atari Lives ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 00:08 EST From: Subject: Double Click's contest To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Did anyone hear the results of Double Click's "name the program" contest. If so, who won? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1991 08:26:43 +0000 From: Dr Ivan D Reid Subject: Ghostscript ported? To: Info-Atari16 Could Hauke Hess please contact me directly about Ghostscript on the ST? I can't construct a meaningful address from his message header... ================== ivan@cvax.psi.ch ivan@cageir5a.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 20:39:12 GMT From: haven!wam.umd.edu!dmb@purdue.edu (David M. Baggett) Subject: HacMan II v1.15 available at atari.archive To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Several people have been had trouble installing HacMan II of late. I believe all these problems are related to lack of sufficient disk space when extracting the archives. If anyone's been unable to get it working, please let me know. (If you've got 0-byte files, that's a sign that you need a bigger RAMdisk or HD directory when extracting...) For those of you with single-sided floppy systems, version 1.14 had a file misnamed, thereby causing the game to abort instead of prompting for disk 2. That's been fixed in version 1.15, which can be FTPed from atari.archive.umich.edu:atari/newitems/hacmn215.arc. Since this is a particularly annoying problem for SS floppy users, I would (once again) greatly appreciate it if people with access to GEnie, Compuserve, etc., could update the copies posted on those on-line services. Sorry for any headaches the "bug" may have caused. Thanks all, Dave Baggett dmb%wam.umd.edu@uunet.uu.net ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 20:03:47 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!me nudo.uh.edu!rcte2p@arizona.edu (Paul S. Sears) Subject: lynx To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Shervin.Shahrebani.Of.250/744@f744.n250.z1.FidoNet.Org (Shervin Shahrebani Of 250/744) boldy writes in article <671019520.0@egsgate.FidoNet.Org> >You are wrong. Atari has been continuously advertising the LYNX. They have about 18 games now with 16 more to come by summer and another batch by the end of the year. I think that Atari will do really well with its LYNX. Also, the Portfolio is selling really well, and now that it sells for $299 U.S. instead of $399... > >S.S. This is very true. There is a full page ad in this month's Rolling Stone for the Lynx. I am actually impressed by this! -- Paul Sears The Univ. of Houston |"The greater an individual's power Student of the College of Technology | over others, the greater the evil that RCTE2P@Jetson.uh.edu *** | might possibly originate with him." RCTE2P@menudo.uh.edu * * * | - PROPAGANDA, from A Secret Wish (CD) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 18:08:54 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: MultiGEM (was Re: TT questions) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr9.135117.24365@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes: >>6. I spoke with the developer of Revolver and there is no plan for an >> upgrade to the TT (ST versions did not sell very well). Pity, >> the ST/TT without Revolver is a drag. Anyone else working on a TT >> task switcher (I could retire before UNIX is ready). > >Try MultiGEM from Maxon in Germany. It's a MultiFinder-clone for the >ST which will soon be released for the TT, too. What else can you tell us about MultiGEM? Price? Is it compatible with TOS 1.4 and STe? Any plans for a North American distribution? Please provide us with Maxon's address. -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 91 00:52:15 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!ogicse!unicorn!n8742883@ar izona.edu (Perry Pederson) Subject: Question about the game IMMORTAL (Spolier about level 2) To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've been playing the IMMORTAL on level 2, and have been stuck there for some time. I've got everything from the level-- killed the orc king and he told me his message. He is specific about "... three jewels ..." but I have only two and the stone. I would assume that there is some way to turn the stone into a gem to get to the next level, but I haven't been able to find out how to do it. He did say "... rock become floor ...", which could be a reference to the stone, but I dunno. How does one obtain that last gem? and BTW, has anyone been able to get back up to the first level? The instructions say "... move up to it [ladder] and you'll automatically climb ..." but I haven't been able to do it. (I wanted to do so to use the light & amulet on the stone to see if it would turn into the last gem). Also, has anyone been able to escape out of a pit trap by "gently rocking the joystick back and forth at an even pace?" Those traps always get me! Thanx in advance, Perry Pederson n8742883@unicorn.wwu.edu n8742883@henson.wwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 21:58:06 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve@a rizona.edu (Steve Yelvington) Subject: Re: GEM source code To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu [In article <1991Apr9.123634.12778@cbnewse.att.com>, hofmann@cbnewse.att.com (james.r.hofmann) writes ... ] > Awhile back a request was made for people on the net to release > examples of working GEM code for use as a tutorial to those trying > to learn how such code works. A good idea, but I have one question. > Aren't the include files that come with a compiler proprietary? > That being so, I can post the source (set to compile with Prospero C) > but not the include files. That would not be all that helpful. Unless the Prospero people have lost their good sense, their h files should be interchangable with anybody else's .h files. I haven't used Prospero, but I have looked at the manual, and their GEM libraries seemed conventional. Of course, you should post any .H files written for the application, including .H files generated by a resource editor. GEMFAST (for Sozobon, Alcyon and assembler) uses a single GEMFAST.H file in lieu of the standard obdefs.h and gemdefs.h files. The portable solution (on a system using GEMFAST) is to install files bearing the standard names but consisting of the following lines: #ifndef GEMFAST_H #include #endif If a lot of GEMFAST-dependent code starts showing up, it may be worthwhile to write a GEMFAST.H file that #includes the standard files and #defines fsel_exinput if your compiler lacks that binding. ---- Steve Yelvington / P. O. Box 38 / Marine on St. Croix, MN 55047 USA INTERNET: steve@thelake.mn.org UUCP: plains!umn-cs!thelake!steve GEnie: S.YELVINGTO2 Delphi: YELVINGTON ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 91 03:11:14 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!caen!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext!c huck@arizona.edu (charles bridgeland) Subject: rufus To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I ftp-ed rufes from atari.archive and downloaded it. everything runs nicely, no problems w/ GDOS. However I did notice that when I uploaded something with the internal Xmodem or Ymodem, it does a disk access every kilobyte. Needless to say, this is not good. Is there a way around this, or are you pretty much expected to use the external Zmodem that is provided? This may be in the documentation, but I'm many years out of practice with German. (BTW, you can't see an entire 80X24 screen unless you change the font that it comes up in to something smaller. Then it all fits nicely.) -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- chuck bridgeland---anarchoRepublican "one thing about a police state, you can always find the police" l. neil smith chuck@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu hire me so I can quit this pit. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 91 03:12:50 GMT From: tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (jeffery d thompson) Subject: STE Products To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hello everyone. I was just wondering if someone in net land could send me a list of any commercial products that use the STE's enhanced features, other than Space Ace and Dragon's Lair 2. I am particularly interested in digitizers and a game from England that uses all of the STE's features(it had something to do with a dragon?). Anything else would be appreciated as well. Thanks. Jeff thompson@cis.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 91 05:02:26 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!porta l!cup.portal.com!R_Tim_Coslet@arizona.edu Subject: sundog To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In Article: <7543@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM> boblu@tekgen.BV.TEK.COM (Robert Luneski) writes... >In article <4450001@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM> jg@hpcvca.CV.HP.COM (Joe Gilray) writes: >> >>What are the system requirements for Sundog? RAM? color? Etc. >> > >Sundog runs on any color ST. It is one of the true lost classics. >A really great game! > An interesting bit of trivia on Sundog is that it was originally written for the Apple ][ (I saw it many years ago at the West Coast Computer Faire in San Fran.). Sundog was written in UCSD Pascal. I thought it was a fantastic game on the Apple ][... grabbed it instantly when I found that there was an ST version. Don't think I'll ever FINISH it though, but its interesting to explore all those worlds! R. Tim Coslet Usenet: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com BIX: r.tim_coslet California could REALLY use 40 days and 40 nights of rain right now! ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 18:00:52 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jarthur!petunia!csuchico.edu!ekrimen@arizona.edu (Ed Krimen) Subject: TT questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <23274@know.pws.bull.com> CSULLOGG@CRL.AECL.CA writes: >As a TT user, life is pretty lonely right now. I keep posting questions >on the net about TT compatible software but I do not get any responses. > >If anyone has an answer to any of the following, please post a reply: > >1. Is there a terminal emulation package (VT100/240,etc) that works on > the TT in TT screen modes (Flash and Uniterm have to be in ST > screen mode). > Atari's TT030 brochure has a desktop screen shot with a multicolored STeno window opened. I wouldn't be surprised if STalker, which has VT100, works on the TT.Eric Rosenquist, would you like to comment if it works on the TT in TT screen modes? >2. Do any of the PC emulators work on the TT (ATOnce, ATSpeed, Delta- > Modul, SuperCharger). I want minimum AT emulation but would prefer > 386 performance. > I heard Atari is writing their own MS-DOS emulator for the TT, although they probably won't admit to it. Other than that, I don't know if the others work. >3. When will Pagestream be fixed to work on a TT (Calamus works in > ST screen modes and sort of works in TT screen mode). > Pagestream 2.0 supposedly works on the TT in TT screen modes. It will be out in a few weeks. >4. Has Signum been updated for the TT? (Tex works well but I hate > the command interface). > Dunno 'bout that one. >5. NeoDesk 3 requires a warm reboot to change rez on the TT, thus > making it unusable because I have to change rez often. Will this > be worked around in the future. > I'm kinda not surprised about this. To change from mono to color on the ST, the ST *usually* requires a warm boot. However, I was playing with EMULA, which is a pretty good monochrome emulator, and when I changed from color (running EMULA) to mono, the computer didn't reboot!!! I was really surprised, and pleased. Now, if there's a program out there that does this for color mode, without EMULA, I'd really like to hear about it! Anyone know of one?! >6. I spoke with the developer of Revolver and there is no plan for an > upgrade to the TT (ST versions did not sell very well). Pity, > the ST/TT without Revolver is a drag. Anyone else working on a TT > task switcher (I could retire before UNIX is ready). > Many people thought that Intersect was out of business and not coming back. Apparently, Revolver doesn't work with TOS 1.4 and up. Just curious, how did you get a hold of them? -- Ed Krimen ............................................... ||| Video Production Major, California State University, Chico ||| INTERNET: ekrimen@ecst.csuchico.edu FREENET: al661 / | \ SysOp, Fuji BBS: 916-894-1261 FIDONET: 1:119/4.0 ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 20:56:03 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!rod an.acs.syr.edu!ggreenbe@arizona.edu (Gerald Greenberg) Subject: TT questions To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Apr9.135117.24365@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> csbrod@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Claus Brod) writes: > >Try MultiGEM from Maxon in Germany. It's a MultiFinder-clone for the >ST which will soon be released for the TT, too. Does anybody know where to get this in the US? -Gerry ggreenbe@rodan.acs.syr.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Apr 91 17:38 CDT From: "Dave Diehl, Adjunct Systems/Network Guru" Subject: Unsubscription request To: info-atari16%naucse.cse.nau.edu@vm.tcs.tulane.edu Could you please remove the alias info-atari16-readers@carleton.edu from the info-atari16 mailing list? Thank. -Dave Diehl Postmaster Carleton College ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 91 23:55:39 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!ccwf.cc.utexas .edu@arizona.edu (Sean Sterling Foiles) Subject: Wanted: Phone # for MWC Support line To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Does anyone know the customer support line for Mark William's C? Thanks, sean@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu.UUCP (Sean Sterling Foiles) ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 91 04:36:36 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-w inken!aunro!ersys!mforget@arizona.edu (Michel Forget) Subject: X Y Z 3 . 3 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu While reading the FoReM Network (Programming Crossnet), I noticed a message from a user that dealt with the release of XYZ 3.3. The user did not say where the program could be found, so I decided to ask for it here. I would appreciate it if anyone who has this program could mail it to me, or give me information about this release of the program. At t time, it is not even clear if XYZ 3.3 is an official release. I hope it is, as this is a wonderful Zmodem/Ymodem Batch transfer utility. Thank you (I hope). Michel Forget ersys!mforget@nro.cs.athabascau.ca Edmonton Remote Systems: Serving Northern Alberta since 1982 ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************