Info-Atari16 Digest Tue, 2 Apr 91 Volume 91 : Issue 185 Today's Topics: Atari 1040 ste internal drive. ATARI SOFTWARE 4 SALE For Ken Irwin; Email bounced For Sale: Monochrom 1040ST System + Midi Software FTP Beginner's Guide Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking... HELP! Mono monitor died Monitors NeoDesk v3.0 Desk Pictures NoiseTracker v1.5 NOS / KA9Q Post jammer Problem using HP II P laserprinter with 1040 ST Reply to Turbo C's Weird Behavior Sideline Software Telecom program help needed Transatlantic Lynx Welcome to the Info-Atari16 Digest. The configuration for the automatic cross-posting to/from Usenet is getting closer, but still getting thrashed out. Please send notifications about broken digests or bogus messages to Info-Atari16-Request@NAUCSE.CSE.NAU.EDU. Please send requests for un/subscription and other administrivia to Info-Atari16-Request, *NOT* Info-Atari16. Requests that go to the list instead of the moderators are likely to be lost or ignored. If you want to unsubscribe, and you're receiving the digest indirectly from someplace (usually a BITNET host) that redistributes it, please contact the redistributor, not us. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Apr 91 15:44:12 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ai-l ab!life.ai.mit.edu!johnb@arizona.edu (John Bunch) Subject: Atari 1040 ste internal drive. To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article johnb@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (John Bunch) writes: Greetings all.... I have once again encountered problems with my STe. It seems that my internal drive has decided that it doesn' want to work any more... It ucks, caue I dont have a harddrive, so I cant even boot up... Is there some known problem with the drives in the STe? It spins up on powerup, and when the boot process tries to read the drive it makes a buzzing sound and cant access it... Thi really sucks, since I opened the machine to put in memory.... Argghhh! John I know it is rude to post a followup to your own article, but I found out what the problem was. It seems that my internal drive was bad when I bought the machine, but worked. It got progressively worse, to a state where it was no longer usable. Well it was also the reason some of my disk's were getting trashed. I went back to my Local Dealer(I know, I am Lucky!) and he replaced the drive for me free of charge, even though I opened the machine to put in my Ram! Coolness... John -- ************************************************************************ * John Bunch * 610 Morris St. * To be filled with a nifty * * johnb@gnu.ai.mit.edu * Albany,NY * quote at a later date... * * * 12208 * * ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 14:26:39 GMT From: noao!asuvax!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bu.edu!bucsf.bu.e du!delta@arizona.edu (peter tragakis) Subject: ATARI SOFTWARE 4 SALE To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For sale: Wordperfect $70 Timeworks Publisher $60 LDW power spreadsheets $50 db man 5.0 $50 or best offer. $150 for all call Peter at (617) 731-5088 or e-mail this account. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 21:54:19 GMT From: o.gp.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!mg20+@pt.cs.cmu.edu (Michael Paul Greelish) Subject: For Ken Irwin; Email bounced To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Hmm, this is a toughie. Think I got the problem though, and mebbe the solution... Sounds like the word processor doesn't like IBM disks. It's probably programmed to test the disk more than the Atari desktop (GEM) does. So, save the file (as ASCII text, if you can) on an Atari disk. Quit the word processor, and copy the file from the Atari disk to the IBM disk FROM THE DESKTOP. Caveat: sometimes the Atari doesn't like IBM disks due to an obscure thing called the "disk serial number", something which Ataris write to disks but IBMs don't... if the Atari sees two disks with the same serial number, it screws up *BAD* (thinks they're the same disk.) If the procedure I previously listed doesn't work, try copying the file to a RAMdisk or a hard drive (if your friend has one) first and then to the IBM disk. I hate GEM file copy anyway, you hafta swap disks umpteen times and it's slooooooow. BTW, I'm a "starving artist" writer myself. ______________________________________________________________ |\ /| | \/ | ike Greelish Carnegie Mellon U. undergrad, professional writing major quote: "There's no more time for crying over spilt milk/Now it's time for crying in your beer." ---Weird Al Yankovic stupid disclaimer: My opinions have been known to piss people off. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 18:50:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu !ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!pp39184@arizona.edu (Payman Parastaran) Subject: For Sale: Monochrom 1040ST System + Midi Software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu For Sale: Atari 1040ST Monochrome System (CPU, Drive and Monitor) w/ the following Software: 1. EditTrack 5.0 from Hybrid Arts -- Midi Sequencer and Manuals 2. GenEdit 1.1 from Hybrid Arts -- Universal Patch Editor/Librarian Complete w/ templates and new patches for virtually every synth or drum machine 3. CRICIT 1.0 from Nice & Software -- Integrated Cash Register & Inventory Control Great for any small business...can print and read barcode labels, create purchase order, and much more. Plus some twenty disks of games, word-processors, cad software, c compiler, pascal, tele-communications software, and other stuff. Also a few books on the ST, 68000 Assembly Language, etc., and all original documentation. All equipment is in good condition and perfect working order. ==> $600 takes it all, excluding shipping. Will consider separate offers for the software listed but I won't sell the computer without the software! Direct all inquiries to: _______________________________________________________________________________ Payman Parastaran payman@uiuc.edu (217) 398-1452 -- ______________________________________________ Payman Parastaran / payman@uiuc.edu..............(217) 398-1452 / _______________________/_____________________________________________/__________ ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 20:35:29 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung! umich!terminator!terminator.cc.umich.edu!weiner@arizona.edu (Jeff Weiner) Subject: FTP Beginner's Guide To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu This is a basic guide to ftp. It is intended only to get you on your way to ftp happiness. Please let me know if you have any comments, questions, or suggestions. weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu Jeff Weiner's FTP Basics Vol.1 #1 Part 1: Logging in To begin an ftp session, the first thing you need to do is log in to our machine. You can do this by issuing the 'ftp atari.archive.umich.edu' command. You should then see something like this: Connected to atari.archive.umich.edu. 220 atari.archive.umich.edu FTP server (Version 4.169 Wed Jan 2 17:03:56 EST 199 1) ready. Name (yourhost.domain.edu:yourusername): At this prompt you'll want to type 'anonymous'. On some hosts, the word 'guest' will work, but 'anonymous' is always a sure bet. If you don't see this login prompt, but instead get something like 'Our host was unable to trace a name back to (some internet address). We only accept ftp from properly registered hosts', then you'll have to ask your sys-admin to properly register your machine in its name servers. There's nothing we can do on this end, so please don't bother asking. Also, if your machine doesn't allow you to specify the atari.archive name, try using out internet address : 141.211.164.8 Then, march down to your sys-admins office and ask him to install name-service. Your life will become much easier. Assuming you recieved the above prompt, you'll then be asked for a password. Use your mail address. For example, I would use 'weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu' Part 2: Basic Commands Once you're logged on, there's a few basic commands you'll want to know about. ls : lists the names of files of sub-directories in a directory. ls -C : Lists the files horizontally, instead of vertically. dir : does the same thing as ls, but is needed on some other machines ls -l : A verbose listing of files. Includes permissions, filesize, etc. cd : changes directories (i.e. 'cd atari' would put you in the atari area) cd .. : Goes 'back up' a directory, to the one you came from. These are about all you need to get moving around the archive. Part 3: Getting the Goddies The main reason you want to ftp in the first place is to quickly transfer files. More often than not, you'll want to transfer the files from the archive to your account. You can do this using the following commands: First, find the file you want to download. Second, issue the command 'type binary'. This tells our machine that you'll be transferring a binary file. This is really important. You'll waste a LOT of time if you download files that were not transferred in binary mode. Third, issue this command 'get '. This will instruct the archive host to send to your account. The last thing you'll want to do is use the 'quit' command. This tells our machine you're no longer interested in ftping files, and would like to go back to your command prompt. Now, you'll need to download your files from your mainframe(sparc, whatever) to your ST. Usually you'll want to use either kermit or x- or y- or z-modem protocals. They're very reliable. I'd be quite hesitant to try something else. Also, your machine and ST are usually unique to you. This means that I really can't help you with this part. You could try asking, but I'm going to promise anything. Part 4: A Few Words on Net Ettiquette Net Ettiquette is something that every net user should be aware of. Relating to ftp, and our archive, it is essentially this: 1) Try to keep ftp usage to an absolute minimum during business hours, in our time zone. That would be 9 am to 5 pm , EST. This roughly means upload or download one file or so and little else during these hours. After 5pm, have a blast. Go nuts. We probably won't mind nearly as much..... Otherwise, we will drive to your campus or place of work (even if you live in Europe) and we'll kick youe butt. Or, Jon will sing Prince songs to you. Whichever you'd like the least. 2) If you have a question about some aspect of ftp service or some other area of your computer, please ask around at your site first. Don't immediately fire off all of your questions to us. I don't mind answering questions about the archive, problems with logging in, or something similar. But I tend to get upset when people ask me questions like, "Jeff, how come I can't get the fgrep command to work properly on my sparc station...." 3) Please try to upload files that you know the archive doesn't have. I know it's not the greatest thing to do, but if you can find time to download stuff, I think you can find time to return the favor and upload things also. If you have any reasonable questions, any comments or concerns, etc. please mail them to me, weiner@atari.archive.umich.edu. Thanks, weiner -- Jeff Weiner weiner@terminator.cc.umich.edu Jeff_Weiner@ub.cc.umich.edu Mail Dennis_Devine@ub.cc.umich.edu and ask if he'd like a White Castle Atari.archive.umich.edu Caretaker||194M and climbin'|| "So like take off eh?" ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 08:15:13 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.c om!@arizona.edu (Scott McIntyre) Subject: Graphics on the STE - v. generally speaking... To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've posted a few bits and pieces lately about the graphics capabilities of the ST series, but I don't seem to have learned much, so, here are all my questions....if you can help me, I would greatly appreciate it... 1) I have a 520 STE (w 4/meg add on)...and the SM 124. I asked a few weeks ago about graphics on this kind of system, and a number of people all suggested that I look into GIF stuff...I have been doing so, downloading dozens at a time from wuarchive, and viewing them on the PC that does the downloading - they all look brilliant. But when I get them home they look crap. Is the usual method of de-giffing a colour (heck, even mono) picture onto an ST merely the clumping of black and white dots, at a horrendous resolution? I know that a lot of effort went into writing these programmes out there, but it seems amazing to me that on the VGA system (yes, I know it has better graphics) it can look so amazing, and on my ST it looks like someone sneezed! Am I doing something wrong? I've been using ViewPic which is very nice for loading gif images, and works in mono or coulour (but looks bad either way...the colours are all off), but the gray images still look like nothing more than clever optical illusions... So...: 2) Does the STE have gray scales, you know, proper shades of gray, not just the nearness of black and white pixels? How can I use these scales? When I look in magazines I see some AMAZING pictures on SM124s that are gray, but look as sharp as a photograph! They ought to! 600 x 400 should yield fantastic quality...so, where is it? 3) Is there any source ftpable that has a collection, or even just a few, of these images? What might they be called? What kind of suffixes will they have? GR8? GR9? 4) Is it possible to get Gif images to look remotely nice on a STE? Thanks in advance for any help that can be given...I just sorta jumped into the world of the ST without really looking at what it can and cannot do.. Thanks, Scott ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 09:02:11 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!@a rizona.edu (Neil Forsyth) Subject: HELP! Mono monitor died To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <1991Mar30.010041.11418@lynx.CS.ORST.EDU> vovut@prism.CS.ORST.EDU () writes: > >My SM124 died a few days ago. I was typing a paper and the screen suddenly >went blank. The power light went off, too. I replaced a blown fuse, but >every fuse blows out. > >Can someone help? Please? Again I vote for it being a power supply diode, part of the rectifier bridge, going short circuit. Part number is IN5402 I think. >vovut@prism.cs.orst.edu +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ! DISCLAIMER:Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own ! ! ! ! Neil Forsyth JANET: neil@uk.ac.hw.cs ! ! Dept. of Computer Science ARPA: neil@cs.hw.ac.uk ! ! Heriot-Watt University UUCP: ..!ukc!cs.hw.ac.uk!neil ! ! Edinburgh, Scotland, UK "That was never 5 minutes!" ! +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 18:35:48 GMT From: noao!ncar!csn!boulder!horton.Colorado.EDU!chuj@arizona.edu (CHU JEFFREY) Subject: Monitors To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I was wondering if the Multi-Scan monitors are same as multisync. Because there is a local store here with multi-scan SVGA monitors 1024x768 .28mm for only $380.00, It is a Samsung monitor. I have also seen Panasync 1391 monitors as low as $329.00 WOW. This is not a miss type price since I thought it was, but it's not. The computer prices around Denver Colorado has been very low, I guess it is due to the low sales, 486 systems are as low as 1800.00 here. Can someone please tell me what the 486 systems and TT are going for elsewhere? I been deciding on getting a TT system, but since the prices are falling around here, perhaps I should wait. I already have 486 system, but still like to have a TT. Thanks, Jeff ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 08:23:54 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru !kth.se!sunic!mcsun!ukc!strath-cs!expya!exua!exua.exeter.ac.uk@arizona.edu (Scott McIntyre) Subject: NeoDesk v3.0 Desk Pictures To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I've got a .pi3 file that I want to make my desktop on NeoDesk, but when I rename it to Neopic_H.pi3 (as the manual says to do) and restart, it reverses the black and white of the image....if I double click on the file it shows up as normal...but when it goes to the desktop it inverts....why? How can I fix it, other than changing the b/w of my desktop, which I don't want to do. Scott. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 20:46:05 GMT From: tardis.computer-science.edinburgh.ac.uk!robotron@ucbvax.berkeley.edu (Stephen K Mulrine) Subject: NoiseTracker v1.5 To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu I checked the April edition of ST Format and saw that NoiseTracker was advertised by various PD Software companies: p83 MT Software p119 Public Dominator p126 Demo Club ("Noisetracker V1.5 - The latest version with English docs") p128 LAPD p130 Wizard PD Nobody was charging more than #2.50 for it ($5). Unlike Audio Sculpture, it allows you to save modules. It also works perfectly on a 520 - I haven't yet come across a module too big to load. So, I presume it will soon be verified and available from atari.archive as noiztrkr.lzh, either in atari/music/ or atari/sound/players. (Note that Audio Sculpture has been moved from atari/graphics to the latter directory.) -- UUCP: ..!uunet!nsf.ac.uk!tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk!robotron BITNET: robotron%tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk@UKACRL INTERNET: robotron%tardis.cs.ed.ac.uk@cunyvm.cuny.edu ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 11:29:04 GMT From: noao!ncar!gatech!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!unido!uniol!Dirk.Rode@ari zona.edu (Dirk Rode) Subject: NOS / KA9Q To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Shalom, I have 3 questions: 1.) Has anybody a version of the NOS Software (compiled for ST and Source)? 2.) Where can I get a KA9Q Package (with changes for Atari ST)? 3.) Can anybody mail me the address of Phil Karne (who made these packages)? thanks in advance mfG Waldi -- * Dirk Rode * dirk.rode@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de * * Zwischenahner Str. 64 * Bitnet: 077481@Doluni1.Bitnet * * 2910 Howiek * Privat: diro@edison.phone.north.de * * Arbeitsgruppe Rechnerbetrieb Informatik der * * Universitaet Oldenburg (FB 10 - ARBI) * Nickname: Waldi * * Telefon: +49 441 798 2198 * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Apr 91 7:35:20 MST From: Mark Rhyner Subject: Post jammer To: info-atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu Lars-erik -- yes please post that to archive, that is if it wasn't an April Fool's jab. :-> Also still looking for either digest archives or the address that was posted in approx issue 77-97 for U of Cal at Berkeley to get Spice source. And Ian H -- I haven't forgot your request for the details to write to car- tridge port (with out the read shenanigans). I tried to email you but for some reason this Milnet node can't get out to some hosts (even when you use the uunet or bitnet gateways). Mark # Mark F. Rhyner ################################ # USAISEC # # # ASQB-SEP-A # All comments are mine and # # DSN: 879-7440 COMM: (602) 538-7440 # not attributable to any # # EMAIL: mrhyner%sed@huachuca-emh2.army.mil # Government organization. # # or asqb-sep-a-01@huachuca-emh2.army.mil # # ############################################################################## ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 19:17:20 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!newstop!texsun!digi !rgoseweh@arizona.edu (Roy Gosewehr) Subject: Problem using HP II P laserprinter with 1040 ST To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu The DeskJet 500 has the same problem. I installed a _diode_ per the instructions that someone had posted on GEnie. The diode works just fine on the DeskJet and will probably work just fine on the LaserJet IIp, IMHO. Roy C. Gosewehr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 91 11:00:49 -0500 From: Dan.Wilga%saturn@CS.UMASS.EDU Subject: Reply to Turbo C's Weird Behavior To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu > Cold anybody explain why Turbo C 2.0 takes a long constant like this: > ffff8e20 and turns it into -> 8e20 then takes > 00ff8e20 -> ffff8e20??? Depending on the situation, the first is usually correct. When a 68000 sees a short address it sign-extends the address to 32 bits, and $8e20 extended is $ffff8e20. So, for instance, the following two instructions have the exact same effect, only the second one is 4 clock cycles slower: move.w d0, $8e20.w move.w d0, $ffff8e20 I'm not quite sure why it would take 0xff8e20 and convert it to 0xffff8e20, but doing so causes no harm on any 68000 system since the upper 8 bits of an address are ignored, nor does it cause any harm on the TT/030 because it treats pages $00 and $ff identically, even though it is a 68030. Dan Wilga Gribnif Software "My other program is also a Porsche" Internet: Dan.Wilga@saturn.ucc.umass.edu P.O. Box 350 GEnie: GRIBNIF Hadley, MA 01035 New Orders: (800) 284-4742 Info/Support: (413) 584-7887 Fax: (413) 584-2565 PLEASE NOTE THE NEW INTERNET ADDRESS ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 19:55:29 GMT From: arizona.edu!cerritos.edu!nic.csu.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hp-col!col!don@arizona.edu (Don Allison) Subject: Sideline Software To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu / col:comp.sys.atari.st / jcksnsr@nmt.edu (Admiral JC) / 8:27 pm Apr 1, 1991 / > Hey, quickie question... has anyone out there had any dealings with >Sideline Software in Florida... I ran across their add in the Mar. Current >Notes and really liked the prices. Really liked their prices, really, really >low... perhaps $20 below nearest competitors on some stuff. Maybe too low. > > Does this company actually exist and do they actually sell what they >advetise at what they advertise (14.95 for a game that everyone else has for >about $32.95 or more). > > Just wondering before I give'em my visa carsd no... Well, I ordered a copy of Archipelagos from them and they shipped it promptly. It wasn't as fancy as the original copy of Archipelagos I had (this one had a box, a disk, and a folded sheet of paper with instructions, such as they were, while my other copy had a mulitpage stapled manual) but it had everything you needed (and at about 1/4 the price I paid at my local dealer for my first copy). Based on my one experience, I'd order from them again... Don Allison don@col.hp.com And now for my (slightly related) question: Has anyone had any luck getting Archipelagos to work at all? After I bought my copy from the local dealer, I broke my ST trying to upgrade the memory and by the time I got it working again and got around to trying Archipelagos, my dealer had cleaned out the bank and split town, leaving his financier holding the bag...so when I found it wouldn't boot, I was stuck. I ordered a new copy from Sideline, and it has the same behaviour...can't copy it, can't boot with it, etc....is this a program that broke on upgrading to TOS 1.4? Is something flakey in my machine? Or by some remarkable coincidence did I just get two bad copies of the same program? (I'm going to call Sideline and ask for their help, but I thought since the subject came up here, I'd ask here as well). ------------------------------ Date: 2 Apr 91 02:55:28 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!bu.edu!snork elwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!unido!horga!nathan!ue@ari zona.edu (Udo Erdelhoff) Subject: Telecom program help needed To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu In article <440@mixcom.COM> uuvvuu@mixcom.COM (Craig L. Stodolenak) writes: > I just purchased a used 1040 ST and SC1224 about a week ago and have a > few questions. Okay, really just one question: Which telecommunications > package do you use and why? Just one word ahead: Go out, sell your SC1224 and get an SM124 instead. Most comm packages perform best on a monchrome display. I use Rufus, a german comms package written by Michael Bernhard. It has build in X- and Y-modem and uses the GRZ/SZ-zodules for zmodem. It's quite fast, supports all resolutions, including the TT resolutions; uses different fonts (with GDOS) and has a built in batch interpreter. Now, why do I use it? It's fast and reliable, it has the best ansi-emulation I've ever seen and offers a lot of possibilities. It's shareware, the fee is 50 DM, that's 30-35$. The only problem for your is that Rufus is in German, but i've heard rumors about an english version floating around... /s/ -- Udo Erdelhoff smart: ue@nathan.ruhr.de Am Westheck 170 Fido: Udo Erdelhoff on 2:245/52.1 W-4600 Dortmund 12 (FRG) Maus: Udo Erdelhoff @ DO Please keep your replies short - I have to pay for recieving mail ------------------------------ Date: 29 Mar 91 14:49:17 GMT From: noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloo m-beacon!eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!slxsys!ibmpcug!mantis!mathew@arizona.edu (mathew) Subject: Transatlantic Lynx To: Info-Atari16@naucse.cse.nau.edu A couple of questions... 1) What's the going rate for a new-style Lynx in the US? I don't mean the absolute cheapest price, just the sort of price I could expect to get one for by shopping around a little. 2) Is there any difference between the US version of the Lynx and the UK version? mathew -- If you're a John Foxx fan, please mail me! ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ******************************