========================================================================= INFO-ATARI16 Digest Thu, 28 Dec 89 Volume 89 : Issue 867 Today's Topics: Best ST games? LDW vs ANALYZE Looking for Wayne G. Nichols Music Composition Program Summary Software for Sale USENET -> GEnie uplink now working (2 msgs) USEnet on GEnie...a followup ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Dec 89 09:17:57 GMT From: limbo!taylor@decwrl.dec.com (Dave Taylor) Subject: Best ST games? Message-ID: <264@limbo.Intuitive.Com> I hate to hash out a discussion that I'm sure has gone on in this newsgroup for quite a long time, on and off, but I'd like to hear from some people with their opinions of what the top few games are for the ST. I'm interested both in "mindless" video game-types as well as more "cerebral" strategy games. Reply via email please! -- Dave Taylor Intuitive Systems Mountain View, California taylor@limbo.intuitive.com or ?uunet!??decwrl,apple?!limbo!taylor ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 89 21:37:36 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Dave_Ninjajr_Flory@uunet.uu.net Subject: LDW vs ANALYZE Message-ID: <25425@cup.portal.com> I had Analyze for a while and liked some of it but dropped it for the very same reason I dropped VIP, to slow. LDW is by far the fastest commercial spreadsheed I have seen for the ST. It loads 123 files and has a program on disk to convert its saved files to 123 format. I wouldn't call myself a power user, I don't use Macros at all, but I have used LDW on an almost daily basis for over a year, with never a problem. The only spreadsheet I like better is Excell, which I run as a Mac. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 89 03:13:59 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Chris_F_Chiesa@uunet.uu.net Subject: Looking for Wayne G. Nichols Message-ID: <25433@cup.portal.com> Wayne, I don't know if you read this group or the 8-bit group; I'm posting to both. I'm in Rochester, NY, same as Bob Puff and Chris Freemesser and your sister Norma! Norma posted a message on the ACORN BBS to the effect that you're having some problems obtaining or file-transferring some software. She didn't know much about what you're trying to do, and the Powers That Be didn't seem too eager to jump to your support, but I will. Drop me an e-mail message at this address (Chris_F_Chiesa@cup.portal.com) and tell me what you're trying to do and what problems you're having. I've done a lot of file-transfer and related manipulations; if I can't solve this at least I'll learn something new! :-) Chris Chiesa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 89 08:39:18 MST From: Timothy Roeder Subject: Music Composition Program Summary To begin, I would like to thank all of those who replied to my original request about scoring programs for the ST. To recap, I asked for recommendations about a good composition program that would produce good printed output, with sound output optional. By and far, the largest number of replies I received recommended Hybrid Arts EZ-Score Plus. The output on 24-pin printers is good, and the program has the ability to play back through the sound chip or MIDI. Since this program can be had for around $100 US, it is probably the one I'm going to get. Another recommendation was the ScoreST Music DTP program in the Jan. 1990 issue of Start. Since I receive Start, I tried it out. It seems to be quite useful, though it has no playback capability. However, I have not been able to get really good printouts from this program, though I'm still working on modifying the printer driver. This program is definately the cheapest, though. The other recommendation made was from Take Control in England, and the name of the program is Music DTP. It was highly recommended, but seems a bit pricey for me. That about covers it. Again, thanks to those who replied! Timothy Roeder Internet: troeder@mis.arizona.edu Bitnet: roedert@arizvm1.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 89 14:34:16 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!aplcen!wb3ffv!ka3ovk!lake@tut.cis.ohio-state. edu (Marshall Lake) Subject: Software for Sale Message-ID: <1989Dec27.143416.14486@ka3ovk.uucp> ST Software for sale (all items come with original disks and docs of course): Road Runner 7 Garfield 7 Better Dead Than Alien 9 Daily Double Horseracing 9 Rogue 7 Passing Shot 11 Vampire's Empire 9 Space Station 7 Little Computer People 7 International Soccer 7 Wargame Construction Set 12 Roadwar 2000 9 Marshall Lake POB 7332 Washington, DC 20044 Tel 703-533-2132 Fax 703-538-4598 uucp: ...?media,teemc,tcsc3b2,ki4pv?!ka3ovk!lake or ...?media,teemc,tcsc3b2,ki4pv?!ka3ovk!irscscm!mlake (checked more often) CIS 73717,3174 GEnie MLAKE ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 89 06:07:02 GMT From: nsc!pyramid!infmx!robert@hplabs.hp.com (Robert Coleman) Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working Message-ID: <2913@infmx.UUCP> In article <1989Dec21.221719.13364@ns.network.com> logajan@ns.network.com (John Logajan) writes: %There is no legal restriction to who may connect to USENET, therefore there %is no binding vote that can restrict who may so connect. Further, since %there is no legal restriction to who may connect to USENET, there can be %no legally recognized distinction between sites. Thus site restriction %messages in notices of copyright are legally meaningless. Yet further, %there is no general information flow restriction that can be legally %enforced for any site or group of sites. I don't actually care if Genie uses this stuff or not, but you have sparked my curiousity; is there no legal way I can stop GENIE from copyrighting MY material if I post it on USENET? Robert C. -- "Helen's the only one who knows what scruples are, and she won't tell us" John said. "Have we got scruples about it, Helen?" "Not a trace," Helen affirmed. -The Reefs of Earth, R.A.Lafferty ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 89 15:12:08 GMT From: thelake!steve@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU (Steve Yelvington) Subject: USENET -> GEnie uplink now working Message-ID: <1128890912086954@thelake.UUCP> In article <2913@infmx.UUCP>, robert@infmx.UUCP (Robert Coleman) writes ... > I don't actually care if Genie uses this stuff or not, but you have > sparked my curiousity; is there no legal way I can stop GENIE from > copyrighting MY material if I post it on USENET? Don't panic. You don't lose a thing. A compilation copyright covers only the compilation. It does not remove a public-domain work from the public domain, nor does it infringe on your rights as author of a message (whatever that means -- since you're making public utterances, your rights to control their redistribution are pretty shaky). An analogy may be helpful. Let's imagine that you and I are both professors at Harvard University. We get in a loud argument on the steps of the library about the invasion of Panama. We are so brilliant in our debating that we attract the attention of a wandering reporter for the New York Times, who takes extensive notes. Later we renew our debate in a Usenet conference. One of the Times' several computer-literate reporters sees the exchange. Eventually both our spoken and our written words are quoted at length in a Times story. The Times is protected by copyright and by an army of highly paid lawyers. There is nothing we can do to prevent the profit-making Times from quoting us. There is nothing we can do to prevent the Times from claiming a copyright on the reporter's story. There is nothing we can do to prevent the Times from selling that story to the client newspapers of the New York Times News Service, thereby indirectly making even more profit on our brilliant debate. However, there also is nothing the Times can do that could restrict us from reusing our brilliant words (perhaps we write books about our glorious encounter), nor is there anything the Times can do to prevent the New York Post or the Harvard Crimson from obtaining a transcript of our debate and publishing it. There *is* something the Times can do if you, I or a third party clips the Times article and reprints it verbatim without permission, since it owns the reporter's work. Disclaimer: Although, as an editor, I deal with issues such as these every day, I am neither lawyer nor judge. Even a lawsuit without validity can be expensive. Your mileage may vary. -- Steve Yelvington at the snow-covered lake in Minnesota Reliable UUCP path: ... umn-cs.cs.umn.edu!thelake!steve ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 89 16:51:47 GMT From: brunix!rjd@uunet.uu.net (Rob Demillo) Subject: USEnet on GEnie...a followup Message-ID: <23792@brunix.UUCP> Here's an interesting sidenote: I was on GEnie last night, attending the Atari ST RT discussions. (Every Wednesday night at 10:00 pm EST). I brought up the USEnet->GEnie transfer topic. Most people didn't know it existed, and those that did were *glad* that it stopped. It seems that the USEnet messages were saturating the Atari ST section. (Too much info, too fast.) People found they couldn't keep up, even for the few days (hours?) it was operating. This makes sense. When I was administering a UUCP site a year ago, we'd get about 5 MBytes/week of USEnet articles. comp.sys.atari.st is one of the more voluminous sections...I wonder if GEnie took that into account. :) Probably started filling up their disk space. - Rob DeMillo | Internet: rjd@brown.cs.edu Brown University | BITnet: DEMILLO%BRNPSG.SPAN@STAR.STANFORD.EDU Planetary Science Group | Reality: 401-273-0804 (home) "I say you *are* the Messiah, Lord! And I ought to know, I've followed a few!" ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #867 *****************************************